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Title: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/08/18, 05:36:12 PM
Anyone had one of these? I'd like to get my hands on a couple... :tongue:


http://www.kttc.com/story/39050210/2018/09/07/new-apple-at-minnesota-orchards-the-first-kiss
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/12/18, 11:55:06 AM
Anyone had one of these? I'd like to get my hands on a couple... :tongue:


http://www.kttc.com/story/39050210/2018/09/07/new-apple-at-minnesota-orchards-the-first-kiss

Yep, they were being sold at the fair.  Pretty good, actually taste a lot like a honeycrisp.    Also picked up another new apple at grocery store, cross of honeycrisp with monArk, so ripens in washington in late july.   It was also good.     Again a lot like a honeycrisp.  It is also a U of M apple but the rights are licensed by Stemilt in Washington, https://www.stemilt.com/fruits/apples/rave-apples/

Oops, just read another page... First Kiss and Rave are same variety.   First Kiss in MN, Rave in Not-MN

https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/umn-plant-breeders-introduce-first-kiss-apple

Check sly vee barlow plaza, that is where I got the Rave. 

Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/12/18, 12:11:41 PM
I do not like the fact that the U of M will not let people like me purchase their new varieties of trees, only orchards. People like me are paying for the research to develop these varieties yet we cannot have them in our mini orchards.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/12/18, 12:15:17 PM
You didn't tell them they were for Roonstar Orchards?  :confused:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/12/18, 01:25:05 PM
I do not like the fact that the U of M will not let people like me purchase their new varieties of trees, only orchards. People like me are paying for the research to develop these varieties yet we cannot have them in our mini orchards.

Which varieties are you referring to?      (although the money from licensing probably pays most of the cost of development)
Honeycrisp is available, so is Zestar! and Snow Sweet.  Sweetango is not, until patent expiration.   My personal favorite is HoneyGold which is a great eating apple.   

As for first kiss it is not obvious what the tree situation will be.   Its main advantage is that it is a month earlier than honeycrisp which doesn't seem like a big deal to the home grower, or at least not me.   And I am not a big sweetango fan so that doesn't bug me either but others certainly like it so then you have to wait until 2026 unless you got a friend in the orchard biz.  Even then I am not sure about the licensing.  I think the license is controlled  by Pepin Heights Orchard or the co-op "nextbigthing;  Grown by Pine Tree in White Bear, and Pepin Heights.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/12/18, 02:29:15 PM
SnowSweet® (Wildung variety), Zestar!® (Minnewashta variety), SweeTango® (Minneiska variety), and Rave®/First Kiss® (MN55 cultivar) are registered trademarks of the University of Minnesota. Frostbite™ is a trademark of the University of Minnesota.
If the money from licensing pays for the research than maybe the growers should do their own research instead of having it done at a PUBLIC University.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/12/18, 04:33:10 PM
Well, they used to give the product of the research away...  Now they license it.  So, what are you saying you want?   Abolish research at the U?   

You can buy a zestar! tree.  I have a couple in my yard.    not sure about what is happening with snowsweet,  I am guessing you could buy one of those soon.   Too soon to see what will happen with first kiss/rave.   So far, only sweetango is known to not be plantable by the public.   

Perhaps you should make your feelings known to your person on the board of reagents or your state legislators.  Given the number of great apples from U of M and others that I can plant, I can't get very riled up.   Seriously, go eat a honeygold and let me know what you think.   Other than not being red, I think it is close to perfect as an eating apple.   

And Honeycrisp is harder to grow...
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/12/18, 04:49:19 PM
Picked pretty much all of our Honeycrisp today. Love that apple.
Sweet 16s are very good to but they don't keep as well and sure have a habit of dropping off the tree even before they are ripe.
I just get bothered when I'm told I cannot grow something, not that I'm asking for a free tree or anything.
gold apple.........pffffft
double pffffffffffffffffffft
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/12/18, 05:12:26 PM
Picked pretty much all of our Honeycrisp today. Love that apple.
Sweet 16s are very good to but they don't keep as well and sure have a habit of dropping off the tree even before they are ripe.
I just get bothered when I'm told I cannot grow something, not that I'm asking for a free tree or anything.
gold apple.........pffffft
double pffffffffffffffffffft

Diversity.   
Go go for the gold.   
Honeygold was the first apple I planted after buying our house.  Fall of 73.   Leaning in like sheryl sandburg but still producing.   
Still my favorite apple.   Spartan was my second fave.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/12/18, 05:20:04 PM
Looks like it's Del's for the Halloween apple bob. Just so they ain't all those silly yellow ones.  :rotflmao:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/12/18, 05:49:41 PM
I have a SnowSweet del. Got it 5 or 6 years ago. Great apple for slicing and dipping in caramel. Doesn't turn brown quickly. Can't remember if I got it at the now defunct Farmer Seed & Nursery in Faribault or Turtle Creek Nursery in Owatonna. Thinking the latter. I would like to get a Honeygold but every time I see one I'm in a hurry to get somewhere else. When I go back they're gone. :confused:

Our Honeycrisp apples are a beautiful red and should be ready given the above normal GDU's. First decent picking the birds, squirrels and everything else didn't help themselves to. The Haralson's should also be ready soon. The Fireside and SnowSweet apples probably another 10 days - 2 weeks. Can't seem to get my pears to ripen or at least they sure don't look it. Full size and still green.  :scratch: 
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/12/18, 06:33:56 PM
Bobbing for apples switched to Dotch's apple farm..  ;)


https://mnhardy.umn.edu/varieties/fruit/apples
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/12/18, 08:31:11 PM
Which will be preceded by the hay stacking contest... :happy1:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/12/18, 08:39:28 PM
Which will be followed by the roll-in-the-hay contest?  :scratch:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/12/18, 08:45:02 PM
Which will be followed by the roll-in-the-hay contest?  :scratch:
:tut: :tut: :pouty: there's that seks thing again. :pouty:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/12/18, 09:04:21 PM
Darned tootin'!!!  *HONK*HONK*  :evil:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/12/18, 10:34:40 PM
I have a SnowSweet del. Got it 5 or 6 years ago. Great apple for slicing and dipping in caramel. Doesn't turn brown quickly. Can't remember if I got it at the now defunct Farmer Seed & Nursery in Faribault or Turtle Creek Nursery in Owatonna. Thinking the latter. I would like to get a Honeygold but every time I see one I'm in a hurry to get somewhere else. When I go back they're gone. :confused:

Our Honeycrisp apples are a beautiful red and should be ready given the above normal GDU's. First decent picking the birds, squirrels and everything else didn't help themselves to. The Haralson's should also be ready soon. The Fireside and SnowSweet apples probably another 10 days - 2 weeks. Can't seem to get my pears to ripen or at least they sure don't look it. Full size and still green.  :scratch:

My honeycrisp suffer badly from my neglect whilst up north...   The fireside tree bit it a few years ago.   The granny smith is still hanging in there.   I have a couple of the world's tallest haralsons, that i let go for a few years and now they are like 30 feet tall.   No way to pick them without more equipment than I have.   The deer eat good though.   Have a northern spy that I planted when my daughter was in elementary school.   Came home and told me she ate one and it was great.    A few years later she said she wasn't sure that was the right name... :bonk:
Never grew pears.   Cherries and plums didn't work out so well.   

So, the only UMN apples not available to the home grower are sweetango?   (first kiss is too new to count)

If you are desperate, Jungs sells honeygold...  And a bunch of other intriguing varieties.   If only I were younger.....
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/12/18, 11:15:45 PM
Those Honeycrisp trees are kinda like high maintenance women IMO. I've had to work at making this one into a real tree and it has up until this year been stingy about fruit production. It pissed me off so much I almost cut the SOB down a couple years ago. Glad I hung in there with it now. Prolly 8 - 10 years old. As far as a Honeygold, I'll probably bite the bullet and seek one out locally this next spring. I saw one at FF this last spring but they wanted damn near $70. Nice tree, good shape, no double leader or any of that kinda crap. Thought I'd wait & come back when they were on sale towards the end of the season. Everything else but no Honeygold. 

I was very fortunate my Dad was into the orchard thing. We had many of the apples that were popular back in the day including Prairie Spy, Whitney Crabs (great for tossing at cars) a Haralson, Fireside, Oriole (early apple, great for pies), Anoka, Beacon, Winesap, Cortland and a Patten Greening which was a later absolute knockout pie & sauce apple. There was also a yellow apple that I never got a real name on other than they called it a Harvest Apple. Might've been a predecessor to the Honeygold although it lacked the crisp texture. Seemed mushy to me. There were several others too that were planted later that I was never sure what they were.

He also had apricots for a while and there was a pear tree that bore fruit maybe twice. A friend of mine by Otisco has pear trees, the same varieties that I have (Parker & Patten) only his are older. He's told me to be patient. He was surprised mine were bearing fruit already. His are always loaded. My Mt. Royal plum croaked so that needs to be rectified. Experience with plums at home was they are short-lived. Seems to be running true here as well. We had cherries as well and they made some wicked jam. Alas they too were short-lived. 
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 07:16:21 AM
Anyone want some crab apples?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/13/18, 07:45:39 AM
Anyone want some crab apples?  :rolleyes:

how ya gonna ship Glenn???
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 07:50:50 AM
 :rotflmao:  Crabby Appleton!!!   Remember him on the cartoon "Tom Terrific"?   :rotflmao:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: LPS on September 09/13/18, 07:58:24 AM
Oh ya!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 08:18:24 AM
Anyone want some crab apples?  :rolleyes:

how ya gonna ship Glenn???
awe..............as reb would say................go lay by your dish!!!!!!!! :confused: :mooning: :mooning: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/13/18, 08:34:23 AM
mornin Bud!!!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/13/18, 08:34:45 AM
Those Honeycrisp trees are kinda like high maintenance women IMO. I've had to work at making this one into a real tree and it has up until this year been stingy about fruit production. It pissed me off so much I almost cut the SOB down a couple years ago. Glad I hung in there with it now. Prolly 8 - 10 years old. As far as a Honeygold, I'll probably bite the bullet and seek one out locally this next spring. I saw one at FF this last spring but they wanted damn near $70. Nice tree, good shape, no double leader or any of that kinda crap. Thought I'd wait & come back when they were on sale towards the end of the season. Everything else but no Honeygold. 

I was very fortunate my Dad was into the orchard thing. We had many of the apples that were popular back in the day including Prairie Spy, Whitney Crabs (great for tossing at cars) a Haralson, Fireside, Oriole (early apple, great for pies), Anoka, and a Patten Greening which was a later absolute knockout pie & sauce apple. There was also a yellow apple that I never got a real name on other than they called it a Harvest Apple. Might've been a predecessor to the Honeygold although it lacked the crisp texture. Seemed mushy to me. There were several others too that were planted later that I was never sure what they were.

He also had apricots for a while and there was a pear tree that bore fruit maybe twice. A friend of mine by Otisco has pear trees, the same varieties that I have (Parker & Patten) only his are older. He's told me to be patient. He was surprised mine were bearing fruit already. His are always loaded. My Mt. Royal plum croaked so that needs to be rectified. Experience with plums at home was they are short-lived. Seems to be running true here as well. We had cherries as well and they made some wicked jam. Alas they too were short-lived.

I had a northstar cherry, but the robins got most of the cherries.  Finally some sort of boring insect took it out.   My dwarf apples are all pretty much in decline and it seems sort of silly to replace them since I am not here in the summer to care for them.   Deer like the windfalls though.   

I also didn't have much luck with plums.  Toka was one variety I tried and I forget the name of the other one.   

So, bite the bullet and get a honeygold.    You won't regret it.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/13/18, 08:37:16 AM
glenn seems kinda crab apple-ey this a.m.  :laugh:



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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 08:49:10 AM
mornin Bud!!!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: mornin!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 08:49:40 AM
glenn seems kinda crab apple-ey this a.m.  :laugh:
awe..........go lay by one of your sheep!!!!!!!!!!!! :doofus: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/13/18, 08:57:32 AM

I also didn't have much luck with plums.  Toka was one variety I tried and I forget the name of the other one.   

So, bite the bullet and get a honeygold.    You won't regret it.   

We have the wild plum thicket on the edge of our yard. It was there long before we arrived. While providing plenty of pollinators, it may also be a source of disease and insects. The leaves all the sudden fell off the wild plum trees a few weeks ago. That's kinda what happened to my Mt. Royal plum last year on half of it. It appeared to be alive yet this spring. There was still green tissue under the bark. The buds swelled but it never leafed out. Have to yank it out with the tractor and start over. Was a nice tree.  :sad:

I agree del. The Honeygold is on my bucket list for spring or if I bumble across one yet this fall someplace. Some friends have given me some of theirs over the years. I love the apples. Plus it would round out our present selection nicely.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 09:19:04 AM
I used ta pick sacks of my crab apples for the sisters at St. Marys, before the tree got 25' tall...they'd make crab apple jelly for their yearly bake sale with it, and they always gave me a couple jars. :smiley:
Now the skwirrels and birds eat 'em and the rest fall all over the backyard to make a slushy, rotten, fermented mess come Spring... but the waxwings sure get wasted on 'em in Spring.

https://youtu.be/z3gwjVy6Ejs
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 10:16:00 AM
apples smapples...........i get them delivered to the house off someone elses trees!!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 10:27:37 AM
Ya, that's 'cuz ya couldn't grow 'em right anyway!   :doofus:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 10:57:52 AM
Ya, that's 'cuz ya couldn't grow 'em right anyway!   :doofus:
:pouty: :pouty: :tut: :tut: maybe....................... BUT i could make you grow a couple big ole lumps on your noggin!!!!!!!! :bonk: :bonk: training-087 training-087 training-087 training-087 training-087 :dancinred: :dancinred: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 11:01:27 AM
Ooooooh.....big threats!  Here; I got a lump for ya... :mooning:     
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/13/18, 12:45:22 PM
Dotch,
I have been harvesting pears off my Luscious tree for about 5 years now. It seems they are best ripened off the tree. As soon as they come off the tree easily, they need to be picked. If they get bruised by hitting the ground they seem to rot. We keep them in a cool place and if we want some to ripen faster we put them in a paper bag. This year my Gourmet pear has a few pears on it for the first time. It will only get better.
I haven't picked any pears yet this year, but soon I will
Last week the warden and I broke out the old cider press and made apple juice out of the better looking windfall apples. We ended up with somewhere between 15 and 16 gallons of juice out of about 11 5 gallon pails of apples.
I have to learn to pick apples off the tree when they are small. My Haralred and Fireside trees are taking a  real beating this year.
Gold apple, pfffffft  :mooning:
Maybe I will risk castration from the warden and plant another apple tree next spring.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 01:11:24 PM
Dotch,
I have been harvesting pears off my Luscious tree for about 5 years now. It seems they are best ripened off the tree. As soon as they come off the tree easily, they need to be picked. If they get bruised by hitting the ground they seem to rot. We keep them in a cool place and if we want some to ripen faster we put them in a paper bag. This year my Gourmet pear has a few pears on it for the first time. It will only get better.
I haven't picked any pears yet this year, but soon I will
Last week the warden and I broke out the old cider press and made apple juice out of the better looking windfall apples. We ended up with somewhere between 15 and 16 gallons of juice out of about 11 5 gallon pails of apples.
I have to learn to pick apples off the tree when they are small. My Haralred and Fireside trees are taking a  real beating this year.
Gold apple, pfffffft  :mooning:
Maybe I will risk castration from the warden and plant another apple tree next spring.
:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: if you call your pear tree luscious....................wadda call your apple trees?????????? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/13/18, 03:26:06 PM
getting personnel huh Glenn!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 03:46:22 PM
getting personnel huh Glenn!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:tut: :tut: inguiring minds wanna know!!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 03:48:08 PM
      :offtopic:    Let us stick with the intriguing apple discussions, please.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 03:49:44 PM
      :offtopic:    Let us stick with the intriguing apple discussions, please.
:pouty: :pouty: yea...........whatever!!!!!!!!!!!! :tut: :tut:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/13/18, 03:56:59 PM
Here I am trying to have a cereal discussion and the little blue smurf gets off topic again. At least they donut have blue apples yet.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 03:58:08 PM
Here I am trying to have a cereal discussion and the little blue smurf gets off topic again. At least they donut have blue apples yet.


 :taz:  Don't lead him on!!!!!!!!!!!  :doah:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/13/18, 03:59:08 PM
Dotch, my wild plums all died around the same time that my planted ones did.    Must have had a surge of pests.  Plum curlios or something, not smurfy or reb. 
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/18, 04:13:11 PM
Here I am trying to have a cereal discussion and the little blue smurf gets off topic again. At least they donut have blue apples yet.


 :taz:  Don't lead him on!!!!!!!!!!!  :doah:
:banghead: :banghead: :pouty: i ask a serious question and get accused of being  :offtopic: :taz: :taz: :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/13/18, 04:13:54 PM
We had some wonderful Superior Plums and then they died a slow painful death shortly after the wild plums started to die off. Turtle Creek Nursery says it's a fungus that is prevalent in wild plums and if you have wild plums close by you might as well forget about trying to grow plums unless you want to spray them weekly with a fungicide. I found out the hard way that cherry trees get it also.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/13/18, 07:45:54 PM
We had some wonderful Superior Plums and then they died a slow painful death shortly after the wild plums started to die off. Turtle Creek Nursery says it's a fungus that is prevalent in wild plums and if you have wild plums close by you might as well forget about trying to grow plums unless you want to spray them weekly with a fungicide. I found out the hard way that cherry trees get it also.

That must be what got mine as well.  It took out all the wild ones too.   Something else got the cherry tree.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/13/18, 08:04:31 PM
We had some wonderful Superior Plums and then they died a slow painful death shortly after the wild plums started to die off. Turtle Creek Nursery says it's a fungus that is prevalent in wild plums and if you have wild plums close by you might as well forget about trying to grow plums unless you want to spray them weekly with a fungicide. I found out the hard way that cherry trees get it also.

That must be what got mine as well.  It took out all the wild ones too.   Something else got the cherry tree.

George Washington?  :azn:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/15/18, 12:31:19 PM
The Warden and I picked 4 pails of Luscious pears this morning. Also found 16 of the Gourmet pears on another tree, first pears we've had off of that tree.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/15/18, 05:53:21 PM
I have heard, no personal experience, that pears need to be picked  before they are totally ripe and allowed to ripen off the tree.   Personally I never planted any pear trees.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/15/18, 06:02:54 PM
I heard that shipping someone half a dozen pears will bring you good luck.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: HD on September 09/15/18, 06:17:53 PM
We're all done with pears as of today. We picked the last dozen...... Pears seem to go every other year, last year's crop was minimal... this year we had quite a few.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/16/18, 09:41:28 AM
I have heard, no personal experience, that pears need to be picked  before they are totally ripe and allowed to ripen off the tree.   Personally I never planted any pear trees.

That is pretty much right. Pears are more delicate than apples also and spoil quickly if bruised.
I'd say maybe about 4 pears out of all we picked were ripe enough to eat, the rest will ripen inside.
Putting them in a paper bag speeds up the ripening.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/16/18, 10:03:27 AM
Glad you mentioned that roony. I need to check the trees today again and probably pick what I can. In the past couple days some of the ground falls I brought in a few weeks ago finally started to change colors and get a little softer. So I sliced one in half for breakfast. OMG was it good! Texture was about perfect not mealy, very juicy and very sweet. Not much of a core either. Patience is a virtue I guess or as Seinfeld put it, fruit's a gamble.  ;)


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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/16/18, 10:11:50 AM
got to get me some pears!!!!  to bad it will be store bought...
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/16/18, 04:27:18 PM
We're all done with pears as of today. We picked the last dozen...... Pears seem to go every other year, last year's crop was minimal... this year we had quite a few.

Apples do that too.  Has to do with the tradeoff between making buds for next year or making fruit this year.   Thinning the fruit can help this problem, along with getting nicer fruit in the fall.    At least for apples.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/16/18, 04:29:29 PM
I have crab apples every other year. This coming spring will be no flowers or anything. Bears on the even years.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/16/18, 04:33:59 PM
I have crab apples every other year. This coming spring will be no flowers or anything. Bears on the even years.

If you don't want the actual crab apples, there is stuff you can spray on to make them fall off.  Sevin will do it if you put it on in June.   Probably newer stuff available too.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/16/18, 04:40:18 PM
They fall off on their own, silly. All over my yard. Mushy, fermented mess.  Drunken skwirrels and birds raisin' he** all over.  :angry:   :rotflmao:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/16/18, 05:33:26 PM
This makes them fall off in spring while still tiny..... not in winter after they are full grown.  Basically keeps fruit from setting.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/16/18, 05:36:31 PM
As far as I always knew, Sevin is an insecticide...and it kills honeybees, too. NOT gonna be used by me! I plant lotsa bee friendly flowers and plants, sure ain't gonna kill 'em off! :angry:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/16/18, 06:16:51 PM
We're all done with pears as of today. We picked the last dozen...... Pears seem to go every other year, last year's crop was minimal... this year we had quite a few.

Apples do that too.  Has to do with the tradeoff between making buds for next year or making fruit this year.   Thinning the fruit can help this problem, along with getting nicer fruit in the fall.    At least for apples.

OK why does my apple tree have apples every year and I mean it's full!!!  ground falls by the 5 gallon pail all the time.. deer love that!!!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/16/18, 07:03:38 PM
'Cuz Delmonaco is feedin' ya fake news!!!  :bonk:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/16/18, 07:05:53 PM
'Cuz Delmonaco is feedin' ya fake news!!!  :bonk:

dat funny!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/16/18, 08:14:16 PM
Sevin is an insecticide that has a side effect of causing apple fruit drop.   It is sprayed after petals have dropped from blossoms and bees are no longer interested.   But they are your crabapples...
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/16/18, 08:37:28 PM
The tree is 27' high. Impossible to spray. Sevin could still kill bees and butterflies thru indirect contact, and in the long term after spraying. That's an inappropriate use of an insecticide. I've put in some time and study with bees vs insecticides. This one I know about. Sorry Del, ol' boy, but the stuff is a bee killer no matter what. People shouldn't be allowed to use this in a home setting, IMO.

Concerns

When deciding when and how to spray your fruit trees, be aware that many domestic insecticides also affect beneficial insects such as bees, even long after spraying. For example, carbaryl, malathion and permethrin are toxic to bees and other harmless insects in the long term. Endosulfan is especially toxic and can harm birds; it also injures fish if the runoff from trees reaches streams or lakes. Horticultural oils are generally considered safe, with little impact on other insects, and pyrethrins are also low in toxicity.

Bee killer pesticides

Common name (ISO)   Examples of Brand names   Pesticide Class   length of residual toxicity   

Comments   Bee toxicity

Carbaryl[28  aka (a) Sevin,
(b) Sevin XLR

Carbamate; Sevin   Extremely High risk to bees

Foraging bees even 10 hours after spraying; 3 – 7 days (b) 8 hours @ 1.5 lb/acre (1681 g/Ha) or less.

Bees poisoned with carbaryl can take 2–3 days to die, appearing inactive as if cold. Sevin should never be sprayed on or near flowering crops, especially if bees are active and the crop requires pollination. Less toxic formulations exist.   Highly toxic to all bees.

Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/16/18, 09:35:33 PM
http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld5ER002.pdf

In the strictest IPM sense, it amazes me that this product is allowed to be used in such a manner when there are other alternatives as the label itself points out. Reb is 100% on the mark when it comes to collateral damage to other insect populations especially those that occur frequently within the confines of a lawn and garden scenario. It's not just honeybees, there are native species as well. I know in our own yard there are plenty of areas where there may be bees or lepidoptera occurring   A commercial operation may or may not present the same risk. However prophylactic use of pesticides is one of the fastest ways I know to render them useless for their original intended purpose.

We just saw that demonstrated locally this summer with soybean aphids no longer being controlled by synthetic pyrethroids. The notion that just tossing an insecticide in with a fungicide in order to save a trip regardless of whether the aphids were at threshold or even present in field to begin with represents very short term thinking. Now with the potential for chlorpyrifos getting its label yanked, that leaves us with only the neonicotinoids for their control. Already under fire for killing honeybees, neonics are also being used on the soybeans in the seed treatment. A little on soybean aphids: They bear live young. Each aphid bears about 8 or more young. All the live young are born pregnant so their potential to explode exponentially is phenomenal. It also gives them the upper hand when selection pressure is exerted on the population. Exposing them to not one but two doses of neonicotinoid in one season represents a potion for disaster.

Bottom line: We humans are damn slow learners. None of this stuff is sugar water and should be treated accordingly.

End of rant.   
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: deadeye on September 09/16/18, 09:37:29 PM
The apples in my yard didn't do so well this year.  I have a half dozen and only two had apples this year.  They may be getting old so two year ago I planted three more and they should be starting bearing fruit next year.  I have three plum trees that start out great but the birds destroy them before I get any.
Over the years I have planted quite a few apple trees at my land.  Probably around 40 regular apple trees along with about 20 flowering crab trees.  There are a few that just sprung up around some deer stands?  My guess is we ate apples while hunting and the seeds grew.  Go figure.  My plan is to some day say I am going to hunt by the "old apple orchard".   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/17/18, 03:54:15 PM
Think we're at around 20 crabapples after remembering a few planted in the CRP & EQIP acres. There are four main apple trees & two pear trees. The crabs are pretty loaded and the regular apple trees are loaded. This is the first year some of the crabs have been big/old enough to bear fruit. it's interesting to see how many different kinds there are. Some small yellow, some larger pinkish fruit, some red fruit, some erect growth habit, some more horizontal.

Made apple crisp yesterday for the car club picnic. I'm more of a pie person but had orders from the Mrs. who's in Mass. to make apple crisp as I might break a glass pie plate. Probably wise. Used the foil type pan & luckily I put an old cookie sheet under it in the oven. It ran crap all over! Wasn't proud of it but it still tasted great. Was told by other members I could screw up like that again any time; they wouldn't mind. Just bring ice cream next time!  :rotflmao: Picked the pears this a.m. Good thing. They were changing and the wind coming thru here would've dropped a lot of them on the ground. Imagine I'll be picking up Honeycrisp apples when I get home from a visitation later this afternoon. 
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: deadeye on September 09/17/18, 05:47:22 PM
Dotch,
You are right about the crab apple colors. I have one that looks like it's full of giant plums.

Crabapples can be a thing of beauty in the spring.
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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/17/18, 06:43:09 PM
Yes they can, and smell great, too!  :cheesy:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/17/18, 07:08:35 PM
got some crab apples that canned and candied, good gosh are they good!!!!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/17/18, 07:10:48 PM
Well, come down here, and pick mine! I'll buy ya a 12 pack, and ya can get canned! Ya ain't got nothin' else to do, and neither do I!  :cheesy:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: mike89 on September 09/17/18, 07:14:06 PM
Well, come down here, and pick mine! I'll buy ya a 12 pack, and ya can get canned! Ya ain't got nothin' else to do, and neither do I!  :cheesy:

never know I could!!!   be careful what ya ask for!!!  but I'm sure it would be good time seeing your area!!!
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/17/18, 07:18:33 PM
Well, ya should! Look what happened with Dotch! He was chasing little chinee sex bugs all over and sucking down my iced tea! Had to push him outta here! 
Then Mr. and Mrs Boober and I went out to *NOM*NOM*, while Glenn stayed back and played with ice cream pails!   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: roony on September 09/18/18, 12:36:33 PM
I know I'm getting way off topic here but about the only time I use insecticides is when the cucumber beetles attack my vining plants. Dotch, what is the best method of eliminating these pests while doing the least possible harm to other, helpful six-legged friends?
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: LPS on September 09/18/18, 12:56:43 PM
Think we're at around 20 crabapples after remembering a few planted in the CRP & EQIP acres. There are four main apple trees & two pear trees. The crabs are pretty loaded and the regular apple trees are loaded. This is the first year some of the crabs have been big/old enough to bear fruit. it's interesting to see how many different kinds there are. Some small yellow, some larger pinkish fruit, some red fruit, some erect growth habit, some more horizontal.

Made apple crisp yesterday for the car club picnic. I'm more of a pie person but had orders from the Mrs. who's in Mass. to make apple crisp as I might break a glass pie plate. Probably wise. Used the foil type pan & luckily I put an old cookie sheet under it in the oven. It ran crap all over! Wasn't proud of it but it still tasted great. Was told by other members I could screw up like that again any time; they wouldn't mind. Just bring ice cream next time!  :rotflmao: Picked the pears this a.m. Good thing. They were changing and the wind coming thru here would've dropped a lot of them on the ground. Imagine I'll be picking up Honeycrisp apples when I get home from a visitation later this afternoon.

Good job Dotch.  I bet you don't even own a lawn chair do you?  Why waste money on something you will never use.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/18/18, 01:32:20 PM
Ya, but you should see his rocking chair.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/18/18, 02:53:35 PM
I know I'm getting way off topic here but about the only time I use insecticides is when the cucumber beetles attack my vining plants. Dotch, what is the best method of eliminating these pests while doing the least possible harm to other, helpful six-legged friends?

Cucurbits are about the only thing I use insecticide on as well. Solved that problem: didn't plant any that made it this year! When we have vine crops, I don't spray unless or until I see the cucumber beetles. About the best thing you can do is to apply the insecticide(s) when bees and other non-target insects are not foraging, in other words towards evening.
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/18/18, 03:03:10 PM
You and Delmar could have yer own diagnostic ag column...Dr. Tarr and Professor Fether... :shocked:

https://youtu.be/MuFOidNhGEU
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Dotch on September 09/18/18, 03:24:20 PM
You and Delmar could have yer own diagnostic ag column...Dr. Tarr and Professor Fether... :shocked:

https://youtu.be/MuFOidNhGEU

Off of AP's debut album. An absolute R&R classic!  :happy1:
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: Rebel SS on September 09/18/18, 03:26:35 PM
Darned tootin', scooter.  :rocker;
Title: Re: New apple
Post by: deadeye on September 09/20/18, 09:19:14 AM
I took this on Tuesday while in my "bear" blind.  These deer are under an apple tree.  Unlike bears who eat until everything is gone, deer are browsers eating a little here and a little there moving then moving on.  They ate some apples but soon left to eat something else leaving many apples for the next deer.

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Title: Re: New apple
Post by: delcecchi on September 09/20/18, 05:24:13 PM
I wondered about that, given how many apples I have laying on the ground.  The deer come through and eat a few...  Momma, two yearlings, and a newbie.