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BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« on: December 08, 2017, 12:28:50 PM »
       :reporter; BWCA 2018 Permits and Lottery :scratch:


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It is time to start planning those 2018 trips. Here is some updates and basic information to get you started. And start bugging your friends and family to start thinking about a trip now as we are less then 2 months away from permit booking.

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- A BWCA permit reservation is required for each group wishing to enter and camp overnight between May 1st through September 30th 2018. Only one permit is required per group. Permits are for entering on a specific day and entry point.

- Permits are also required for entry into the Quetico and Woodland Caribou.  ;)

- Mark your Calendars - BWCA reservations for all entry points can be made on a first-come, first-served basis beginning January 31, 2018 at 9:00 a.m. CST.

- Permits can be booked through outfitters or recreation.gov. You can start planning with outfitters now so that they can work with you on routes/canoes/gear and book the permit for you when they open. Please see the list of outfitters in our menu above.

- Lottery - There is a small set of permits :angry2: primary focused on motor use :mad1: which are distributed through a lottery before all permits are opened for booking on Jan 31st.

- Lottery information:

The BWCAW 2018 lottery application period begins December 20, 2017 at 9:00 a.m. CST through January 17, 2018, 9:00 p.m. CST. The lottery is for the following entry points and dates: Fall Lake entry points D (Fall Lake, Newton Lake, Pipestone and Beyond) and 24 (Fall Lake); Moose Lake entry points F (Moose Lake to Newfound and Sucker Lakes), G (Moose Lake to Prairie Portage to Basswood Lake) and 25 (Moose Lake) for dates between May 1, 2018 and September 30, 2018. Lottery results will be available on January 24, 2018.

There is a 10 dollar fee to enter the lottery and it is non-refundable even if you don’t win the lottery :banghead: which is a change from last year. :angry2:

Note for 2019! - The lottery system is going to be eliminated after the 2018 season is over. :scratch: :taz:  :scratch:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 08:08:24 AM »
             :angry2:  UPDATE! :angry2:

Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness permit reservation site opens,
:bonk: then shuts down!
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Jan 30, 2019 at 6:38 p.m.

 :bonk: ......
The new national reservation system for Boundary Waters permits opened Wednesday, Jan. 30, and then promptly crashed, with the U.S. Forest Service saying they will set a new date for permits to become available.

Reservations for Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness permits were moved for the 2019 season to the recreation.gov site, the same site used for reservations at national parks across the country.


“Due to technical difficulties, reservations for Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness are closed. We are diligently working to correct the problem. Please check back for status updates,” a message on the site said.

Some local businesses around the federal wilderness that depend on permits for their customers warned the Forest Service that the rush of applications for the permits, now all awarded on a first-come, first-served basis, would overwhelm the site. That appears to be what happened.

The Forest Service and private contractor in charge of the site discovered a problem with how the national system servers were distributing traffic to the site, which resulted in the inability of many visitors to make reservations. Several people were successful in making reservations for permits while others could not access the system at all. Once the Forest Service became aware of the situation, the decision was made to stop the sale of BWCAW permits.

“Superior National Forest staff worked closely with the contractor over the past year, including time during the recent government furlough, to ensure the system was ready and provided everything necessary to assure success,” Superior National Forest officials said in a statement Wednesday afternoon, adding that the private contractor and Forest Service “are diagnosing the exact cause of the technical difficulties, carefully identifying how to fix the problems, and developing a detailed strategy to reopen the permit process in the near future. As soon as possible, we will identify a new date for BWCAW quota permits to become available for reservation, but only after we feel confident the malfunction experienced today has been corrected.”

More than 100,000 people visit the BWCAW between May 1 and Sept. 30 each year, the period during which permits are limited. The Forest Service this year eliminated a lottery system used to award about 42,000 of those permits in past years.
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 08:12:12 AM »
TOLD YA it was gonna crash with a rush to get 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :moon:    :bonk:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 09:26:20 AM »
TOLD YA it was gonna crash with a rush to get 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :moon:    :bonk:
maybe da govmet can subcontract ya out to fix all da problems!!!!!

which reminds me i still havent seen my drivers license yet!!!!!!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :taz: :taz: :taz: :banghead: :banghead: training-087 training-087

while your fixing things reb, can you make sure crawler poachin isnt illegal!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2019, 09:33:34 AM »
No DL yet???! WTH?!?! GET ON 'EM!!!!!!  :angry2:

As for the crawler thing, I believe pulling on yer worm in public is a SEKS crime.... :police:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2019, 09:35:51 AM »
TOLD YA it was gonna crash with a rush to get 'em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :moon:    :bonk:

All da resort owners/outfitters Had told da forest service in advance dat dis was gunna happen. It seems dat anything ta discourage folks from commin ta da BWCA fits da agenda of da enviros.

Not only dat but just found out from da resorts dat some rules dat existed in da past were also changed wit-out tellin da resorts. Example: in da past one person was designated as group leader and be able ta sign da permits of three others so three other boats dat could fish da BWCA dat day. We were told now to list any others names that would go on yer permit in their boats.

Now! the resort owners just found out (after da fact ) dat those names would subtract from yer permit allotment total and be split up off of yer permit use.

I'm glad I found that out because that would cut out my ability ta cross da portage  to  da BWCA. Sounds like some behind da scenes  trickery  :tut:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2019, 09:39:47 AM »
Jeez, what a friggin' mess..... :doah:
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2019, 11:27:02 AM »
   Permit Mess :doah:

Here's a radio interview by my friend Nancy Mc Ready the president of the CWCS (conservationists with common sense) that I am an member of..... :happy1:


Audio interview....

https://www.wtip.org/bwca-permit-reservation-system-crashes-opening-day
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2019, 07:24:32 AM »
 :reporter; ...by Nick Wognum -

2/2/19

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A massive failure of the U.S. Forest Service’s online reservation system Wednesday morning left potential users with complete frustration and no permits for the upcoming season.

The computer system by Recreation.gov crashed immediately after permits became available at 9 a.m. The Forest Service decided to not have a lottery for motor use permits on lakes like Basswood which are in high demand.
“This is going to be devastating to individuals and resort owners,” said Nancy McReady of Conservationists With Common Sense. “We asked where the public input was at the public meeting. We told them there was going to be problems. This is a major cluster you know what.”

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The Forest Service announced shortly after 10 a.m. that the whole system was being shutdown.
“We will reverse all internal and external transactions of course for fairness and close BWCAW reservations until further notice,” said Ann Schwaller, Natural Resources Program Manager at the Superior Forest Supervisor’s Office in Duluth.

“Again, the Forest has done everything asked of us the last 14 months. We don’t know why this happened, :confused: but we will keep you updated as we are updated. All previous tests the last few months pointed to success for today.

“We are sick :puke: over it as well. A ton of work has gone into this; including working through furlough. We’ve done all we can to prepare and follow national direction,” said Schwaller.

The response in Ely was immediate. While people didn’t directly blame the local Kawishiwi District office, reports were over 300 people called in the first hour. :doah:

“The USFS BWCA permit system crashed and they are shutting it down because they can’t issue BWCA permits for this summer at this point. Since they tossed the lottery for day-use motor permits, there was such a rush it appears, their computers broke,” said Joe Baltich of Northwind Lodge in an online post.

“If you were planning on taking a motor trip to Basswood this summer, you probably won’t be going with a proper permit. I’m sure the Friends of the Boundary Waters :mad1: are cheering right about now,” said Baltich.

“This was doomed to fail from the start and many people tried to tell them that,” said Greg Mosher of Ely.
Dave Merhar of Ely said the response from the Forest Service was unacceptable. :tut:

“That’s the worst type of excuse you could offer. They obviously did not do all they could have including listening to our local Ranger Station and local organizations trying to explain to them a better way to do it. Ultimately the parties who are responsible should be severely reprimanded and removed from a position of responsibility.” :angry2:

Merhar pointed out there were Ely business owners who traveled to Minneapolis in hopes of being able to get a better internet connection in order to get permits. This has created a haves and have nots situation.
McReady hopes this will cause people to come together to show their displeasure :angry2: for this and other actions by the Forest Service.

“Maybe this will strike up the bass and we will fight training-087 this in court. Everybody has been too complacent for too long. Maybe this is just what we needed, a big failure of the Forest Service screwing up on us,” said McReady.

Part of the problem may be related to a court decision that should have put more permits back in the system. CWCS was involved in a lawsuit over the Chain of Lakes issue where home and resort owners on Moose Lake had permanent permits to access the BWCA by motor boat.

A judge ordered the Forest Service to determine how many permits that would have been and put that amount back into the system. The Forest Service claimed the files had been lost :confused: and never accounted for the additional usage, much to the delight of groups like da :bs: Friends of the Boundary Waters who fought against restoring motorboat usage to historic levels.

“It’s just like when they ignored the Chain of Lakes situation they were mandated to fix,” said McReady. “They probably won’t do anything about this either.”
Geography may have played a role in the SNAFU on Wednesday. People in Ely struggled to even get the website to show them how many permits were available.

“I’m assuming because we have a poor internet connection we couldn’t get as far as other people,” said Newt Nickerson of Ely. “I talked to someone in Arizona who got eight permits and had no problem getting them. :doah: When I went to the Forest Service office in Ely I was told that’s nothing, someone in Ohio got 10.” :doah:
Nickerson was left not knowing what would happen but he said there is only one logical solution.

“At this point it should be a lottery. There’s no other way it can be fair,” said Nickerson.
For BWCA user Bob Jalonen, he decided to steer away from the online route and called the reservation system on the phone at 9:02 a.m.

“All of my circle of buddies were applying online and none could get on via computer. I got on the phone and got in the queue where I was told it’ll be about 34 minutes. I got on at 50 minutes and talked to a human voice,” said Jalonen.

“She took down all of my information for a motor permit for Fall Lake and beyond. Then she told me she was going to put me on hold to enter it all into the computer. I thought she was doing that while we were talking. She came back on said, ‘Sorry!’” :banghead:

For McReady, there may be only one remedy.
“This is a major screw up by the Forest Service. One that CWCS may just have to get people’s support and sue them,” said McReady. :angry2:
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 10:07:18 AM »
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2019, 03:56:43 PM »
Copied right off the webpage!!! 

There's the problem!!!  Try to get more than 73 visitors a year!!! :bonk: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:


MN tourism agency looks to launch new campaign

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ROCHESTER, Minn. (KTTC) – According to Minnesota state’s tourism agency, Explore Minnesota, tourism is a $15 billion industry in this state.

Explore Tourism Agency is launching a new marketing campaign Monday.

The group will welcome Governor Tim Walz to their annual conference in St. Paul.

Minnesota welcomes over 73 visitors each year.

Tourism stakeholders argued that everyone would benefit to see that number increase, pumping more fuel into the state’s economy.

State numbers show leisure and hospitality generates 18% of Minnesota’s sales taxes revenues.


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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 09:03:41 AM »
Well, it is a true fact.  We do welcome OVER 73 visitors a year.  Hopefully well over that.

But if it was only 73, that would mean $205 million per visitor.  A guy should be able to have a pretty good time for $205M - even here.  Just sayin...

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 09:13:57 AM »
Would love to win that.  Wouldn't be many lines to battle neither. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2019, 09:18:19 AM »
Barry, I think ya should do a tourism commercial for the state. Show a clip of you chasing yer horses, while the words "Where the wild horses roam" crawl across the screen... :rotflmao:
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2019, 12:44:16 AM »
 :reporter; Stauber to Host Forum on the Failure :party1: of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Reservation Permitting System.

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Congressman Pete Stauber (MN-08) will host a forum this weekend to give stakeholders the opportunity to express their concerns regarding the failure of recreation.gov and the subsequent inability :banghead: to book permits for the Boundary Waters Canoe Area (BWCA).

“The BWCA reservation system failure has already had a massive impact on business owners and families across Minnesota’s Eighth Congressional District and beyond,” said Stauber. :taz: “Since the website crashed last Wednesday morning, my office has heard from countless outdoor enthusiasts along with outfitters who are concerned with their ability to provide timely customer service and the harmful impact this crash could have on Northern Minnesota’s local economy. This forum will be a useful platform to express any concerns :angry2: pertaining to the failures of recreation.gov.”

WHAT: Forum for stakeholders to discuss concerns regarding the failure  :thumbs: of the BWCA Reservation System.
WHERE: Grand Ely Lodge, 400 N. Pioneer Rd, Ely, MN 55731
WHEN: Saturday, February 9, 2019 from 10:00-11:00 AM CT
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 03:34:50 AM »
   :drillsergeant: USFS set to reopen BWCAW permit system :doah:

      Update!

Rep. Pete Stauber hosts listening session in Ely


 February 16, 2019


Well! Here We G0 Again! :crazy:


 :angry2: ......
ELY— Minnesota’s Eighth District Congressman, Rep. Pete Stauber, hosted a forum at the Grand Ely Lodge on Saturday to give stakeholders the opportunity to express their concerns regarding the recent failure of the federal permit reservations system for the Boundary Waters. The Forest Service opted to suspend the system on Jan. 30, barely an hour after it went live for the season, when it failed to function as designed.
The U.S. Forest Service anticipates reopening the reservations system for Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness quota permits on Wednesday, Feb. 27.
 
More than 100 people attended the mostly-civil discussion on Saturday. A few made wild accusations, while others scolded Forest Service officials and complained they knew the new permit system was doomed to failure. Other stakeholders offered solutions to make for a smooth transition to a new way of doing things.

“We deeply regret the difficulty this has caused, and I want to thank the members of the community who are working with us to make this transition to an online reservation system successful,” said Superior National Forest Supervisor Connie Cummins. “Our goal is to ensure the reservation system provides a fair and open means for the public to visit the Boundary Waters and support the local businesses that depend on this special place.”
The BWCAW is one of more than 3,500 facilities across the country that utilizes Recreation.gov to manage their permit reservation processes. Within the national reservation system, customers can simultaneously apply for and secure a reservation for a permit.

“The BWCA reservation system failure has already had a massive impact on business owners and families across Minnesota’s Eighth Congressional District and beyond,” Stauber said. “Since the website crashed, my office heard from countless outdoor enthusiasts along with outfitters who are concerned with their ability to provide timely customer service and the harmful impact this crash could have on Northern Minnesota’s local economy.”

When asked what he hoped to accomplish at the hour-long listening session, Stauber replied, “The BWCA is a crown jewel not only in the state of Minnesota but this entire nation and internationally as well, so we have to get it right. We have outfitters in need in Minnesota. That’s their livelihood. Many here feel like the Forest Service was not listening to them. I think the Forest Service representatives heard that loud and clear.”

The online system, which has been in existence for about a decade, was expanded this year to include permits for motor use on certain high-demand lakes. Those permits had previously been allotted through a lottery, but Forest Service spokesperson Kris Reichenbach said agency staff felt the lottery was no longer necessary since those seeking reservations can now see permit availability instantly with the online program.

A panel of speakers who joined Stauber in the discussion included several outfitters: John Fredrickson, Ginny Nelson, Jason Zabokrtsky, and Bob LaTourell.
Ely Mayor Chuck Novak, Ely Chamber of Commerce director Eva Sebesta, Superior National Forest Supervisor Connie Cummins, and Malony Glossa, a deputy forester for the eastern region, were also part of the panel.

Local BWCA fishing guide Ross Petersen said the new system that operates on a first-come, first-served premise is discriminatory to poor and rural people. “If you don’t have high-speed Internet, and this was very clear during this last fiasco, you are not going to have the same access to permits as the people in the metro areas and the people who have access to high-speed Internet.”

He also complained that the Forest Service did not take any input from local stakeholders “until the new system couldn’t be stopped.”
Dan Waters, owner of Ely’s Canadian Waters, Inc., who claimed he was the oldest outfitter in the building, said he doesn’t expect anything to change. “For 55 years, there has been very little that the Forest Service has done that has come from suggestions of outfitters and cooperators, and I don’t look for that happening this time. You are looking for a quick answer again and it’s probably going to be an abortion of a fix.”

He asked for the Forest Service to listen to the people who depend on the BWCA for their livelihood. “I wouldn’t have your job for a million bucks,” Waters said.
Nancy McReady, president of Conservationists with Common Sense, repeated her request to have Ely considered as a location for a call center for the Forest Service permit reservation system. “We have some pretty good workers here that have a good record and we could really use some good jobs here,” she said. “There’s gotta be some way to address the issue rather than taking away the lottery.”

Many other citizens expressed their distrust of the Forest Service and believed the lottery system should return.
Former St. Louis County Commissioner Mike Forsman said he has no faith that the Internet-based reservation system will be successful.
He also addressed that with the lottery system, at least 38 percent of those who obtained permits didn’t show up to use their permits on the specified date and entry point. “That 38 percent purposely don’t show up,” he said. “This comes from the environmental community that typically have the permits and they’re trying to keep people out of the Boundary Waters. They get those motor permits and they don’t show up. They don’t want motors in the Boundary Waters.”

He said the issue won’t change with the Internet permit reservation system. “I’ll guarantee that you’ll have another 38 percent that don’t show up because they are bought by the environmental community that has more money that anybody in this room,” Forsman said. “They can buy as many permits as they want and they don’t have to worry about that poor person whose dad or grandpa used to fish on Basswood Lake, or Moose Lake or the Chain of Lakes.”

Stauber said he’s concerned about the economic impact the BWCA has on the Ely community. “The shutdown of the BWCA online permit system has economically impacted local businesses who rely on the hundreds and thousands of tourists who come out every year to enjoy the Boundary Waters,” he said.
About 150,000 tourists enjoy the Boundary Waters annually which brings in $57 million in revenue according to one recent study.

“Those of us who live here know that we had restaurants that closed last year and never reopened. “I don’t know how we got here but we have another MNLARS (state drivers license) system on our hands,” Novak said. “Where was the field testing? All I see is the reactive. Where is the proactive? Our economy today is based on tourism. We have a government that is supposed to work for us. Basswood Lake used to be our playground. Now we are restricted from going to our playground.”

The Forest Service’s Glossa tried to offer reassurance. “The entire community here in Ely, and our cooperators, are a big part of how we do business out here,” Glossa said. “We are going to have some beta testing with our cooperators to make sure we are addressing some of the issues that they see. We are working with a technical team that we’ve got to fix this.”
Forest Service officials were asked about a back-up plan if the re-launch of the reservation system does not work, and how a second possible government shutdown, that could happen on Friday, Feb. 15, will impact the process. Glossa said the new system won’t go live without new testing and training.

“We have the opportunity of prior-year funding to continue to support the system and we are committed to doing that. We will find a way to continue to support this system even if we are furloughed,” she said.
“Working to rebuild your trust is going to be a daily thing,” she said. “Our highest priority in the entire region is to make this go.”
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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 07:34:13 AM »
*CRASH*
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 08:29:06 AM »
Yup what a joke!!

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Re: BWCA 2018 Permits/Lottery
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 08:45:17 AM »
*CRASH*
Dat's what happened at the DMV too.................................... when glenn tried to renew his. :scratch: :doah: :bonk: Mn must have some topnotch IT people workin for 'em. :confused: :thumbs:
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 08:47:14 AM »
It was an out of state IT company they ultimately ended up firing. True. Figgers.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2019, 08:49:05 AM »
i used to get my hunting and fishing licenses online till i found out they outsourced it outstate. came from Tennessee....yea i quit that!!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2019, 09:01:04 AM »
Iowa does the same thing, I read somewhere that most of the country goes through that same company. L & M, Fred's, lots of places just put your DNR ID # in a machine that's hooked up to a phone line & it prints your license.  I wouldn't be surprised :scratch: if that goes through the out of state company too.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2019, 09:07:02 AM »
Here, IT tech Apu is hooking up the new Minnesota ethernet cable...... :bonk:
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2019, 01:29:46 PM »
Did some checkin & it's Reserveamerica or Aspira is the parent software company.  :fishing: & :fudd:  online license renewal for all 50 states plus 2 provinces of Canada. Plus national & state park reservations, probably the ones that screwed up the BWCA one. :tut: :bonk:
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2019, 01:39:33 PM »
Appears the USFS deserves a chunk of the blame....



“The USFS BWCA permit system crashed and they are shutting it down because they can’t issue BWCA permits for this summer at this point. Since they tossed the lottery for day-use motor permits, there was such a rush it appears, their computers broke,” said Joe Baltich of Northwind Lodge in an online post.
“If you were planning on taking a motor trip to Basswood this summer, you probably won’t be going with a proper permit. I’m sure the Friends of the Boundary Waters are cheering right about now,” said Baltich.
“This was doomed to fail from the start and many people tried to tell them that,” said Greg Mosher of Ely.
Dave Merhar of Ely said the response from the Forest Service was unacceptable.
“That’s the worst type of excuse you could offer. They obviously did not do all they could have including listening to our local Ranger Station and local organizations trying to explain to them a better way to do it. Ultimately the parties who are responsible should be severely reprimanded and removed from a position of responsibility.”
Merhar pointed out there were Ely business owners who traveled to Minneapolis in hopes of being able to get a better internet connection in order to get permits. This has created a haves and have nots situation.
McReady hopes this will cause people to come together to show their displeasure for this and other actions by the Forest Service.
“Maybe this will strike up the bass and we will fight this in court. Everybody has been too complacent for too long. Maybe this is just what we needed, a big failure of the Forest Service screwing up on us,” said McReady.
Part of the problem may be related to a court decision that should have put more permits back in the system. CWCS was involved in a lawsuit over the Chain of Lakes issue where home and resort owners on Moose Lake had permanent permits to access the BWCA by motor boat.
A judge ordered the Forest Service to determine how many permits that would have been and put that amount back into the system. The Forest Service claimed the files had been lost and never accounted for the additional usage, much to the delight of groups like Friends of the Boundary Waters who fought against restoring motorboat usage to historic levels.
“It’s just like when they ignored the Chain of Lakes situation they were mandated to fix,” said McReady. “They probably won’t do anything about this either.”
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 :bonk: Another case of the bureacrats knowin better than the public that actually uses the resource. :crazy: :pouty: :thumbs: :mad1:
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 08:15:53 AM »
"Senator, have you actually camped in the BWCA?"

"No, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn"........ :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:06:58 AM »
:doah: BWCAW permit reservations pushed back :taz: again! :angry2:


By News Tribune on Feb 21, 2019 at 9:55 p.m.

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The U.S. Forest Service announced Thursday it was pushing back the date for Boundary Water Canoe Area Wilderness visitors to apply for permits for the 2019 summer season.

The permits were supposed to be available online Jan. 30, but the system was quickly shut down after some applicants could not access the application page. The U.S. Forest Service decided to nullify all permits issued that day and start over from scratch.


The do-over date was set for Feb. 27 earlier this month, but is now being pushed to March 4. :moon:

"Between now and March 4 we will continue website testing and conducting training with cooperators to ensure the website meets Forest Service and public needs," :bonk: Superior National Forest supervisor Connie Cummins said in a news release.

Applications will open at www.recreation.gov on a first come, first served basis. More than 100,000 people visit the BWCAW between May 1 and Sept. 30 each year, the period during which permits are limited! :thumbs:


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Seen a short piece on this on the Duluth news last night. I didn't remember the exact date but pretty sure they said 9 am it'll open, hope they do more testing of the new version before then. :bonk:
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Told ya. Again.
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