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 :reporter; Article:..... Inside the outdoors:

:bonk: Is it time to stop pussy-footing around captive deer farms? :scratch:

12/1/18

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During the week or so leading up to the Thanksgiving holiday, state news carried the story of more disease-infected captive deer on a farm in Crow Wing County, near Brainerd. The animals had tested positive for fatal-to-deer chronic wasting disease, also known as CWD. These deer, now destroyed, were among about 100 estimated to be on this farm. Most are the whitetail variety. Some are mule deer, which are native to the West and Plains states, and are exotic here.

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Captive deer have been raised for a variety of purposes across the U.S. Uses include their urine as a deer attractant and to mask human scent, their meat for obvious commercial reasons and as targets at pay-to-shoot facilities in some part of the country. In the world of health supplements, deer antler velvet—the soft, blood vessel-rich tissue that feeds a buck's annual antler growth—is being marketed as a means to boost strength and endurance, improve immune system function, and enhance recovery from injury. At least one high-profile National Football League player is reported to have used it. Some cultures even consider powdered deer antler capable of enhancing the sexual experience.


This latest is the second incident of CWD-infected deer at this Crow Wing County farm, the first occurring in 2016. The area surrounding the farm became a monitoring zone after the 2016 event, the farm itself is now the subject of a quarantine. This means that no animals can legally be shipped elsewhere, nor can deer from the outside be brought in. Under a Minnesota Department of Natural Resources order, sport hunters have been required to have deer they harvest in proximity to the farm tested. So far, all results have been negative. The quarantine period was expected to end in another year, but with the latest CWD discovery it's now expected to be extended.

CWD is generally passed to a healthy deer when it comes in contact with bodily fluids—such as saliva—from an infected deer, potentially by something as simple as nose-to-nose contact. But the microscopic vector for the disease can remain in the soil or a water source after the deer that left it is gone. Meaning, it's not necessary for healthy and infected animals to even come into direct contact for CWD to be spread. This makes it extremely difficult to contain.

CWD was first identified in a herd of captive elk in Colorado in 1967, and has made its way East in the half-century since. Transporting of infected captive animals is considered by many to be the best candidate to blame for its traveling that distance in that time.


The disease first appeared in Minnesota at captive deer and elk farms in the Southeast. It has since been found in wild deer in two counties, the first cases being in close proximity to farms known to have the disease. Between 2016 and the start of the 2018 deer hunting season, a total 17 wild deer had tested positive for CWD in the Southeast. Already during the first two weeks of the 2018 season, six more wild deer there have tested positive.

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The Minnesota DNR has aggressively tried to contain the disease. Beyond its testing program during the deer seasons, the agency has conducted special intensive harvest—notably in 2011—to reduce the density of wild deer near where the first infected wild animals were found. The purpose was to minimize the chance of its spread among more wild deer.

Nearby Wisconsin, separated from Minnesota only by the Mississippi and St. Croix Rivers, and by an imaginary map line in the territory to the north, has no track record of concerted effort to keep CWD out of its wild deer. It's estimated that 40% or more of whitetails in Wisconsin carry CWD. The disease does not immediately wipe out a deer herd, because CWD's incubation stage—before signs of illness become apparent—can be up to 18-24 months. Such "smart diseases" permit their carriers to mature and reproduce before they weaken and kill them.

Like the closely-related mad cow disease in domestic cattle, CWD kills a deer or elk's brain cells, leaving a void where those cells were when healthy. The result is sometimes compared to a sponge. Thus the word "spongiform" in CWD's scientific name: "transmissible spongiform encephalopathy." Transmissible means contagious; encephalopathy means attacking the brain. Effects include loss of vital body functions, most visible as thin, sickly-looking animals, further justifying the word "wasting" in the disease's common name.

There are roughly 400 captive wild deer and elk farms in Minnesota, the estimated number of animals believed to exceed 9,000. Such farming is a relatively little-known industry among those who don't hunt. But an article in Modern Farmer Magazine carried the headline: Deer Farming, the Next Adventure in Agriculture. It described these animals as an "adaptable, low-maintenance" type of livestock, able to be profitably raised on small tracts of agriculturally-marginal land. In other words, land that might not grow a profitable crop of corn or soybeans just might grow a profitable crop of deer.

Why, one might ask, can the DNR do little more than monitor wild deer harvested by hunters after CWD is found on a captive deer or elk farm? It's a matter of jurisdiction. Farms, including deer and elk farms, are governed not by the DNR, but by the State Board of Animal Health.

There is not exactly a history of close cooperation between these agencies. In fact, in April of this year the Minnesota Legislative Auditor issued a report critical of the Board of Animal Health's oversight of these captive farms. In particular, it faulted the Board for not enforcing existing rules that require farmers to participate in testing than one of their animals dies of apparent disease. Since 2002, CWD has been found in animals on eight deer and elk farms in Minnesota.

Also, the controls to keep captive and wild deer apart are weaker than they should be. For example, some farms—like the one noted in Crow Wing County—have single rather than double fences, which can potentially allow wild and captive deer to make contact with one another.

The other farms where CWD has been found have eventually been "depopulated." Meaning, the animals there were liquidated rather than remaining under quarantine. These farmers are compensated for the loss, even though the taxpayers who fund the government payments are not to blame. These funds are in short supply, dependent on a federal farm bill that is currently in limbo in Congress.

But a bigger question might be: is it acceptable to continue tolerating this potential risk to a $1 billion economic impact on the State of Minnesota? This is the estimated value of expenditures tied to the state's deer hunting tradition. Maybe the time is now to find a way to buy out these farms and end captive deer and elk raising in Minnesota. The genie may already be out of the bottle. But why not try to put the stopper on that bottle if we can? :happy1:

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Having a special open season down here on the deer farms in hopes of stopping it.... I'll post it if I can find it. Was in the last couple days.....:bambi:

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DNR News Release  DNR intensifies CWD response efforts in southeastern Minnesota

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Late-season hunts, landowner shooting permits and post-season deer culling planned; public meeting scheduled
The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources is taking additional steps to help limit the spread of chronic wasting disease in wild deer in southeastern Minnesota.
Eleven new cases of wild deer infected with the neurological disease were discovered this fall in or around the CWD disease management zone in Fillmore County.
In response, the DNR will open two special hunts in December; provide shooting permits to landowners; conduct deer culling efforts in January; and will hold a public meeting in Preston on Dec. 18.
Lou Cornicelli, the DNR's wildlife research manager, said the CWD-positive cases indicate that the disease is persisting in this area, and the DNR needs to act quickly to contain the disease while it is relatively concentrated in a geographic area.
The last thing people want is an established disease in their backyards, said Cornicelli. States that have CWD established in their wild deer populations have seen declines in both deer populations and deer hunter numbers. We'll continue to do what we can to avoid that situation here.
The disease management zone was established by the DNR after CWD was discovered in wild deer near Preston in 2016. The zone is an approximately 10-mile radius around Preston.
To date, there have been 28 detected cases of the neurological disease within the CWD disease management zone, 11 of which were detected this fall. While the majority of positives remain within the disease management zone, discoveries of the disease just outside of the boundary are consistent with expected movement of bucks, which tend to travel alongside rivers during the breeding season.
New DNR actions
Here are additional details about actions the DNR is taking to continue combating CWD in southeastern Minnesota.
The DNR will
Open two separate three-day deer hunts in December in and around the disease management zone. Details of these late-season hunts and boundary will be available Tuesday, Dec. 4 on the DNR website at mndnr.gov/cwd.
Provide shooting permits to landowners interested in removing deer from their property. DNR staff will reach out directly to landowners within the CWD management zone with information about that program.
Conduct targeted culling starting in mid-January. The DNR will be working with local landowners and coordinating with the United States Department of Agriculture to remove deer from areas where CWD-positive deer were found.
Final CWD test results and preliminary findings from the DNR's ongoing research on deer movement in southeastern Minnesota will affect how the DNR manages the disease going forward.
Survey to be conducted; public information meeting set in Preston
DNR researchers will also be surveying hunters and landowners throughout southeastern Minnesota. The studys' goal is to measure attitudes toward the disease and DNR management, and to measure support for potential management actions, including providing incentives to hunters and landowners to help curb disease spread.
The DNR will also have a public meeting in Preston to provide information about CWD and the DNR's management response to its discovery. The meeting will be 7-8:30 p.m. Tuesday, Dec. 18, in the Fillmore Central School Auditorium at 702 Chatfield St.
DNR staff will explain the CWD efforts to date and how the current response is designed to limit its spread. They will also discuss response measures including the disease management zone, special late-season deer hunts, landowner shooting permits, targeted culling and snow-dependent aerial deer survey.
CWD transmission
CWD is an always-fatal neurological disease that affects the cervid family, which includes deer, elk and moose. It is spread through direct contact with an infected deers' saliva, urine, blood, feces, antler velvet or carcass. There is no vaccine or treatment for this disease.
Cornicelli said managing CWD is challenging because of how it spreads and persists in the deer population. For example, males are much more likely to have CWD than females; male deer also move the disease farther on the landscape because they typically travel longer distances, especially in the fall. So far this year, all 11 new detections are adult males.
Learn about test results
Hunters can find CWD test results of deer tested through mandatory surveillance, as well as locations of positive test results and statistics, at mndnr.gov/cwdcheck. More information about CWD can be found on the DNR's CWD page at mndnr.gov/cwd.
While there is no evidence that humans can contract CWD, the Centers for Disease Control recommends testing your deer for CWD. CDC recommends not eating meat from a known positive animal. For more information, please visit the CDC website at cdc.gov/prions/cwd.
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Dat's it!!! You da man!!!!  :bow: (NO rear-view thongs, PUHLEEASE!! :censored:)

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I've been saying this since the elk run thing in pine island.   But it is like the coasties and invasive species... don't do nothing because someone is making a buck.

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I've been saying this since the elk run thing in pine island.   But it is like the coasties and invasive species... don't do nothing because someone is making a buck.


Good pun , Delwood!!!!   :deer: :rotflmao:

What the hecks a coastie? Californy chick?   :scratch:
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As long as the Board of Animal Health is in charge of deer farms, NOTHING will change. 
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Ok....I'm serious......always wondered, WHY do we have deer farms?! :scratch:

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I've been saying this since the elk run thing in pine island.   But it is like the coasties and invasive species... don't do nothing because someone is making a buck.


Good pun , Delwood!!!!   :deer: :rotflmao:

What the hecks a coastie? Californy chick?   :scratch:

Coast guard.  They needed to make the ships from europe flush their bilge out in the ocean to stop invasive species but stalled for like 20 years.... 

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So why have these deer farms in Minnesota?! There's deer everywhere!

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it's all about money I think, like those that raise trophy bucks to shoot for big bucks...  just my 2 cents....
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Well, with all the hoopla talking about it, guess no one knows, Mikey!

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They import or raise huge bucks that people can buy to shoot.  People pay as much as $20,000 to shoot a 300 inch buck.  Most look like freaks but that's what the clients want.
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These deer raisers bellyache it's our way of life we don't tred on yours is their weak argument. Truth is I think it takes a classless person to raise and alter these deer and load em up knowing they're going to be shot by someone in a canned hunt is classless disgusting people and there's a heck of a lot better ways to make your $. Cmon animal rights people this is a fight you should go after using wild game or it used to be to wild to stuff their direct deposits bet Theodore Roosevelt pukes in his grave. I haven't even mentioned the disease thing it's beyond that. Don't always blame the dnr for mis managed funds etc whatever with this cwd costing tons and AIS on the fishing/lakes front now look at what our dollars are going toward. What's the next MN mess going to be ? Hey those deer farms jobs crybaby way of life argument well go to Perham MN if you need jobs guarantee hired that day so that can be your way of life make licorice not genetically altered deer.

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also, where do you think all that deer pee lure stuff comes from?   Guys aren't out in the woods following them around with coffee cans...   

What does a little bottle of "doe estreus golden urine" sell for?   

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I thought they got that from all the winos in Minneapolis.... so, how do they train them to pee in a coffee can?   Promise them seks with Darla Doe? :scratch:  :rotflmao:
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They are all very secretive as to how they get the doe urine.  They have a little room they bring the deer in to do it.  Saw a clip on a hunting show once.  But they didn't let us see the actual event or even explain it. 

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Yes, if a video of that operation ever hit the Interwebs, they'd get the pitchforks and torches out to shut down those business too.

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Yes, if a video of that operation ever hit the Interwebs, they'd get the pitchforks and torches out to shut down those business too.

Darn tootin'.  Deer have rights, too.   :deer:

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The doe urine business lol no doubt. If somehow you are wailing on the 5.5 year old bucks as they get under the drip bag year after year I'd really like to talk to ya. Are yee in a 10 acre fenced hunt or 20 ? I will admit it fools the 1.5 year old bucks once or so in legal light but I just don't think it is worth the time the $ or the drizzling down the edge of the glass bottle stinking up ur hands, pockets, pack never can drop clean urine it snizzlers down the bottle and u got a mess. Then it freezes ur boots thaw at camp and now it smells like Glen's socks on the 9th of August. I just step in the real deal on the way to the stand got snow it's been easy to see. There's no amount of convincing that you pen raise a 200" whitetail here and ship it to slaughter by some sick high dollar puke in a high fence awaitin..... No that's really not ok shoot a cow instead or something. Roll a trophy deer in a high fence gee I wonder if he'll show in legal light ?

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Why don't you tell us how you really feel about doe urine.   :rotflmao:
I have seen it work in the past and I often hang some (mostly synthetic) sent out. Not to attract a buck but mostly to cover my stinky self.  Maybe they have learned as it's been years since I saw a buck I could say actually came to or was attracted to the scent.  By the way, it usually scares does so if you are in that market I would use sparingly.
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I remember when that stuff first got popular.  I was in my 20s or 30s.  We thought that stuff was going to bring in all of the bucks to us.  We were so excited we couldn't wait to get out and try it.  Can't say it ever did much.  Did have some small bucks smell it but no big ones.  BUT yes it did dribble in the hunting bag once the bottle was opened and that smelled forever.  I don't use it much anymore but yes I will buy a bottle now and then for the heck of it.  Kind of like selling fishing lures.  It attracts fishermen more than it does fish. 

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like deadeye i use it as a somewhat cover scent. our party has had bucks follow that scent, as a matter of fact the 2 bucks my brothers got were following it.

never had any luck with rattlin but have had luck with that can call. i'm convinced the buck, yea the one bigger then boars, came in on that, so did that big one i shot couple years ago.
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I remember when that stuff first got popular.  I was in my 20s or 30s.  We thought that stuff was going to bring in all of the bucks to us.  We were so excited we couldn't wait to get out and try it.  Can't say it ever did much.  Did have some small bucks smell it but no big ones.  BUT yes it did dribble in the hunting bag once the bottle was opened and that smelled forever.  I don't use it much anymore but yes I will buy a bottle now and then for the heck of it.  Kind of like selling fishing lures.  It attracts fishermen more than it does fish.

Maybe ya should eat a huge venison steak the nite before ya go out...then tinkle around yer tree.   :rotflmao:

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like deadeye i use it as a somewhat cover scent. our party has had bucks follow that scent, as a matter of fact the 2 bucks my brothers got were following it.

never had any luck with rattlin but have had luck with that can call. i'm convinced the buck, yea the one bigger then boars, came in on that, so did that big one i shot couple years ago.

That is the beauty of deer hunting.  They are so unpredictable.  I've never had a buck come to a can call, but I have rattled in 3.

I can't say that I've ever had one come in exclusively because of urine, but I saw it help once.

As for other smells.  I had a buddy who was late in arriving at deer camp Friday night one year (not my deer camp).  They drank and smoked into the wee hours.  He slept in, forgot his hunting clothes, and made it out to his stand at the crack of 9:00 wearing what he had on the night before.  20 minutes later he shot a 6-pointer following his scent trail up the path he took.  Who knew Jack Daniels and Dutch Master would make such effective cover scent.
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DNR News Release

For Immediate Release:

Dec. 4, 2018

DNR announces 2 December deer hunts as part of intensified CWD management efforts
Hunters can participate in two special deer hunts to help limit the spread of chronic wasting disease in wild deer in southeastern Minnesota.

Residents and nonresidents can participate in the hunts from Friday, Dec. 21 to Sunday, Dec. 23 and Friday, Dec. 28 to Sunday, Dec. 30 in deer permit areas 603, 347 and 348, and portions of deer permit areas 343 and 345 that are south of Interstate 90.

The hunts are one step the DNR is taking to act quickly in an effort to contain CWD while it is relatively concentrated in a geographic area. Reducing deer numbers in this area helps lower densities and remove CWD-positive animals.

Because the disease is spread through direct contact with an infected deer’s saliva, urine, blood, feces, antler velvet or carcass, reductions in deer numbers is part of a multi-pronged approach to limit disease spread. CWD is an always-fatal neurological disease that affects the cervid family, which includes deer, elk and moose.

The DNR made the boundary for these special hunts larger than that of last year’s special hunt to account for the new CWD-positive deer found outside of the established disease management zone – known as permit area 603 in Fillmore County. The DNR also considered information from the agency’s southeast deer movement study.

Hunters must plan ahead and should check the DNR’s website at mndnr.gov/cwd for complete details about the special hunts, hunt rules and considerations, station locations for registration and CWD sampling, carcass transport restrictions, a map of the hunt area, and information about the DNR’s efforts to keep Minnesota wild deer healthy.

Private land makes up most of the area within the hunt area and hunters must have landowner permission to hunt that land. Public lands open during the regular season are open during the special hunts. Hunters can check the DNR’s Recreation Compass at mndnr.gov/maps/compass for more details about public lands.

Permits will be available on a first-come, first-served basis for each hunt for Forestville State Park and Pin Oak Prairie Scientific and Natural Area (SNA) starting at noon on Wednesday, Dec. 5. There is no fee for these permits and they can be obtained online or wherever DNR licenses are sold. The Cherry Grove Blind Valley SNA, which adjoins the Cherry Grove Wildlife Management Area, will also be open to deer hunting; no special permit is required.

More information on CWD
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that, to date, there have been no reported cases of CWD infection in people. However, the CDC advises people not to eat meat from animals known to have CWD. Go to www.cdc.gov for more information.

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Good luck.

Isn't there a prevailing sentiment that mass kill efforts to contain or slow the spread of the disease will not be successful in eradicating the disease?  They will only result in decimating the deer population and ruining hunting opportunities for years to come.

Would you rather have small deer herd and poor hunting or a populous deer herd with good hunting?  Either way, you are still goona have CWD.

I don't know if this reasoning is logically sound, but I can see folks adopting this opinion.

No easy answers.


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The doe urine business lol no doubt. If somehow you are wailing on the 5.5 year old bucks as they get under the drip bag year after year I'd really like to talk to ya. Are yee in a 10 acre fenced hunt or 20 ? I will admit it fools the 1.5 year old bucks once or so in legal light but I just don't think it is worth the time the $ or the drizzling down the edge of the glass bottle stinking up ur hands, pockets, pack never can drop clean urine it snizzlers down the bottle and u got a mess. Then it freezes ur boots thaw at camp and now it smells like Glen's socks on the 9th of August. I just step in the real deal on the way to the stand got snow it's been easy to see. There's no amount of convincing that you pen raise a 200" whitetail here and ship it to slaughter by some sick high dollar puke in a high fence awaitin..... No that's really not ok shoot a cow instead or something. Roll a trophy deer in a high fence gee I wonder if he'll show in legal light ?

Doesn't matter if it works.   Only matters if folks will drop a ten spot on a little bottle of magic juice....

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Good luck.

Isn't there a prevailing sentiment that mass kill efforts to contain or slow the spread of the disease will not be successful in eradicating the disease?  They will only result in decimating the deer population and ruining hunting opportunities for years to come.

Would you rather have small deer herd and poor hunting or a populous deer herd with good hunting?  Either way, you are still goona have CWD.

I don't know if this reasoning is logically sound, but I can see folks adopting this opinion.

No easy answers.

Seems to have worked in the Pine Island area.    I think if they catch it early and hit it hard it can work.   

You sound like that goofball from texas or maybe Wisconsin.   Wanna be like Dane County with a third of the deer having CWD?