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Title: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/06/22, 08:02:42 AM
Twins home opener postponed from tomorrow till Friday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/06/22, 08:24:18 AM
They should be fun to watch this year. They can hit and I believe will be able to catch the ball also. Pitching? Not so much. I've noticed a lot of football scores around the spring training teams this year. That will be the Twinks. They will need to win 10-9 & 14-12 games to do anything.

The Chicago Sux should win the central again but I see a dog fight for second with the rest of the teams including Detroit. They are really getting built up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/06/22, 09:08:25 AM
Twins starting pitching will tell the tale. Only Ober pitched for them last season. And that was only 20 games. Not a good sign when you turn over pretty much your whole starting pitching staff. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/06/22, 09:13:41 AM
Ryan, Bundy, Grey, Ober and ?  Yep this group wouldn't make AAA guys tremble. But you never know. Maybe Buxton stays healthy. Maybe Kepler reverts back to when he could hit. Maybe the fat kid doesn't strike out 50% of the time. Maybe Sanchez hits .200.  There is a legit core of hitters. However mashing yourself to a title is hard.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/06/22, 09:21:23 AM
Twins starting pitching will tell the tale. Only Ober pitched for them last season. And that was only 20 games. Not a good sign when you turn over pretty much your whole starting pitching staff.
I guess it is time to start paying some attention to the Twinks again.

We can continue to blame the Pollads for being cheap, or rip Falvey and Levine for making bad moves, but what is up with this organizations seeming inability to develop their own pitching?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/06/22, 09:25:12 AM
It's like that all across baseball. Some teams like the Twins develop hitters, some like Cleveland develop pitchers. Some like the Dodgers and Cardinals can do both. Others like the Yankees & Angles buy what they need. It is a weird thing though.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/06/22, 09:42:52 AM
I heard Frank Viola do a couple of interviews on KFAN.  Since 2009 he has put a lot of time into minor league pitcher coaching.  He expressed interest in re-joining the Twins organization, but the Twins never requited.  I don't remember how long ago that was - maybe after Rick Anderson was let go?

I'm not saying Frankie "Sweet Music" was or is the answer, but the Twins always seem to be the last one on the block to try something new.

Now that I think about it, bringing Viola back would have been a VERY "Twins" thing to do.   :scratch:  Maybe that's why they didn't do it.  OR maybe Frank ain't that good of a coach.   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/06/22, 10:11:46 AM
With the staff the Twins have run out the last few years Frankie ought to be stretching out his arm. He could probably grab a rotation spot.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/06/22, 02:07:52 PM
The Twins' best young pitchers usually are the product of a trade. :scratch: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/06/22, 03:07:47 PM
Their drafting of pitchers has been a joke the past 10 years. Where are they all??? Need new management.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/07/22, 08:04:47 AM
 :scratch: I wonder why they struggle to recognize good young pitchers in the draft but seem better than most at finding them a short time later when a trade is involved.  :confused: It goes back further than that IMO, Ken, maybe even back to the Liriano, Johan Santanna days & that was nearly 20 years ago. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/07/22, 09:14:20 AM
Twins trade Taylor Rogers to San Diego. Along with Brent Rooker another wasted first round pick from 2017. For San Diego righthanded starter Chris Paddock and
right-handed reliever Emilio Pagan.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/07/22, 10:18:18 AM
Twins trading pitchers is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. 

It has been a long time since the Twins have had a starter I wanted to go to the ballpark to see.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/07/22, 10:34:29 AM
Yeah same here. But I have never been to Target Field. So would like to go to see the field.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/07/22, 08:16:19 PM
Rooker can't play so he isn't much of a loss. Rodgers will be a free agent so he was destine to go at the trade deadline anyway. I don't know what Paddock will turn out to be but his contract is controllable so that explains getting him.

Ken, you gotta go to Target Field. It's beautiful. Make a weekend of it and take in a game at CHS Field in St. Paul while you are in town.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/08/22, 07:43:45 AM
I read where they wanted to trade Rogers last year, but he got hurt. Paddock's signed for 3 & the other guy is tied up for 2. The proverbial "player to be named later" comin our way but $6.6 mil goin their way & that's ~ 90% of Rodger's salary this year. The pc I read thought this would push Ober to the pen doing some of the middle inning work.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/08/22, 08:03:26 AM
I read a couple of bloggers who flagged this as a typical Twins move. 

Why to they always HAVE to deal a good pitcher who they don't want to sign?  Why not sign him and get ANOTHER good pitcher?   :confused:  I thought they were "all in" THIS year.  :scratch:

But in the case, they got players back they can use now and Paddock has some up side.

If Paddock doesn't blossom again, the Twins will be justifiably ripped again for another reclamation project that fell flat.  If he does turn out to be good, let's see if they are willing to resign HIM or deal him for the next project pitcher.   :angry:  But we have to get to that point first.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/08/22, 08:07:37 AM
This potential rotation of Grey, Archer, Paddock, Bundy just screams of deadline deals. Along with Ryan it has potential of being ok but it's still not anything to scare anybody I don't think. As MLB keeps adding play-off teams to keep interest high among the also rans I guess they have as good a chance of anybody of reaching the play-offs, but I don't see them winning much beyond that. As I said earlier they will need to mash their way through. If Kepler hits like he is capable of that offense should be pretty good.

Can you imagine having Clevelands pitching with this offense?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/08/22, 06:16:29 PM
0-1

Pitching was great.

Offense stunk.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/08/22, 06:21:01 PM
0-1

Pitching was great.

Offense stunk.
looks like they lost the opener.........cant drink beer................ :doah: :surrender: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/08/22, 06:33:23 PM
Where was all this hitting they were supposed to have now. 2 best hitters....Buxton and Correa both up with 2 guys on twice and can't get 1 run across. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/08/22, 06:48:02 PM
Buxton was 0 for
Correa 1 for
Urshela HR for Twinks only run.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: roony on April 04/08/22, 06:55:59 PM
I thought that last pitch was going over the fence, a little excitement at the end anyway.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/09/22, 06:47:12 AM
I thought that last pitch was going over the fence, a little excitement at the end anyway.
:scratch: If he had gotten another inch of it, it probably would have. :doah: Our young starter struggled with his control so his pitch count got pretty high early. He still kept us in the game against Ray who was last year's AL Cy Young winner when he was with the Blue Jays. Just Arreaz in his only AB & Jeffers from last season's team got a hit, that won't cut it. The bullpen looked good though, especially Duran & Coloumbe. :cool: A 1:10 start today, Gray gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/09/22, 04:24:15 PM
0-2

Arreaz HR in the 1st.

Buxton bomb bottom of 8.

Duffy blows the save.

Good starting pitching, no hitting again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/09/22, 05:12:35 PM
Nice job Duffy. Can't even get 3 outs.

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: roony on April 04/09/22, 05:55:34 PM
Bummer
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/10/22, 03:37:08 PM
6 homeruns so far today. Ober was so,so as the starter.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/10/22, 08:29:20 PM
Lots of smiles when the bats are working.  :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/10/22, 10:11:59 PM
6 homeruns so far today. Ober was so,so as the starter.
Good enough to get the 1st W of his mlb career though. :cool: A real nice play at the plate early to give 'em a lift. Glad to see Polanco's & Kepler's bat wake up but there's still a couple everyday guys doing the O'fer. More good bullpen work too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/11/22, 11:21:40 AM
Its goona take me a long time before I get used to seeing the Guardians in the standings.   :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/11/22, 11:27:47 AM
I think you can still call them the Indians here. I still call North Dakota the Sioux.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/12/22, 08:14:05 AM
A real nice start from Bundy, Duffey struggled a bit again, but the rest of the pen look really good. Almost all of the damage was done at the top of the lineup again. A couple knocks at the bottom though & 1 was the 1st of the season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/12/22, 10:28:55 AM
Sano is really struggling.....down to the bottom of the lineup. Still looking for his first hit. He'll come around.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/12/22, 10:37:16 AM
Sano is really struggling.....down to the bottom of the lineup. Still looking for his first hit. He'll come around.

He has looked good with the glove. If Alex Kirilloff was hitting he would be at 1st and Gordon would be in left. I'm not a Sano fan, he either doesn't understand hitting or he doesn't care. I don't know if those 30 homeruns a year make up for the strikeouts and double plays he hits into.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/12/22, 10:54:36 AM
If I was pitching against him....I would throw breaking pitches that dive outside. He just can't resist swinging at them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/12/22, 11:15:34 AM
Sano is really struggling.....down to the bottom of the lineup. Still looking for his first hit. He'll come around.

He has looked good with the glove. If Alex Kirilloff was hitting he would be at 1st and Gordon would be in left. I'm not a Sano fan, he either doesn't understand hitting or he doesn't care. I don't know if those 30 homeruns a year make up for the strikeouts and double plays he hits into.

To my mind they don't, but what do I know.  They keep hoping he'll figure something out, but it just ain't happening.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/12/22, 11:27:52 AM
They are afraid he becomes another Ortiz if they trade him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/12/22, 02:56:10 PM
 :scratch: He had a good Spring down in Fla too. :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/13/22, 01:54:01 PM
Clayton Kershaw has a perfect game against the Twins through 6. He has struck out 12 of 18 hitters. Pitch count is under 70.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/13/22, 01:59:23 PM
The "fat kid" will hit one out of the park to ruin that!!! :smoking: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/13/22, 02:18:53 PM
Dodgers pulled him with a perfect game. 7 innings, 13 strikeouts.

It's 6-0 so Glenn you are right about the fat kid. He seems to hit 'em when they don't count.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/13/22, 03:11:06 PM
Well they were dominated today. Had 1 hit, zero runs. Finish the home stand 2-4 despite pretty good pitching over-all. The bats once again are off to a slow start. 2 errors.

Off to Boston where they easily can get swept if the bats don't show up.

Alcola & Kirilloff went on the DL. so thats not good either.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/22, 07:14:30 AM
Dodgers are the best team in baseball and picked to win the World Series.

Why would the manager remove a pitcher who has a no hitter through 7 innings? Must have been pith count.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/22, 07:58:43 AM
Not only a no hitter, a PERFECT game. They do it so they don't get fired if the pitcher gets hurt.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/22, 08:02:37 AM
I guess he asked to be taken out after 80-85 pitches. Tough choice.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/22, 08:20:10 AM
 :scratch:
I guess he asked to be taken out after 80-85 pitches. Tough choice.
:scratch: I believe Kershaw would rather pitch in another WS game or 2 & help win another ring than have the perfect game. He had arm issues at the end of last season again & ended up on the IL unable to pitch in theplayoffs as well. Many pitchers are not "stretched out" to regular season form yet either because of the shortened spring training.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/22, 08:23:49 AM
Forgive me Ken but I'm not buying what they are selling. You are a sure fire HOF pitcher known as a tough competitor. You are absolutely mowing the Twins down. They look like they were taking foam pool noodles up there to bat with. You just did the 7th inning on 10 pitches. You are heading towards the bottom 1/2 of the Twins order and you want out? Clayton Kershaw? No, I'm not buying it.

In the long history of baseball there have been 23 perfect games, he isn't walking away from that opportunity no matter what spin they try and put on it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/22, 09:41:07 AM
 :scratch: Looks like he's smiling & talking of "bigger things" when walking in to the dugout after coming out of the game here to me.  :confused: https://news.yahoo.com/dodgers-clayton-kershaw-back-healthy-133013716.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/22, 09:52:38 AM
Well....he made the decision not the manager.....

"Kershaw dispatched Twins batters in one-two-three fashion until he hit 80 pitches in his season debut. With the lockout shortening spring camp, Kershaw was built up to only about 75 pitches and six innings. Roberts consulted him after the sixth, and Kershaw made the call that he wanted to pitch one more before stopping around 80-85 pitches."

Said Kershaw: "I mean, I would have loved to have stayed [in the game]. But bigger things, man, bigger things."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/16/22, 05:15:53 PM
Twins can't hit a lick. They are behind 4-0 again today in Boston.

Sounds like Buxton is out for a week and Gray went down today with a hammie. He'll miss 2 starts I would guess.

I don't like this Larnach kid. He just seems so baffled up at the plate. Maybe he will come around although the fat kid never has.

Early, early game start Monday in Boston. Should be a afternoon game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/17/22, 08:15:15 AM
 :scratch: But Larnach had 3 of their 5 hits yday. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/17/22, 08:40:57 AM
Meh.......i got better baseball 3 blocks from my house!!!!!!! :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/17/22, 03:53:13 PM
Twins are one of the worst hitting teams in baseball. 29th out of 30 teams. Only Arizona is worse. Not expected. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/18/22, 11:19:55 AM
Twins are up 4-0 after 4, Bundy is mowing them down.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/18/22, 02:06:48 PM
Twins are up 4-0 after 4, Bundy is mowing them down.
i thought Ted Bundy was ececuted!!!!!!! :sleazy: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :mooning: :nerd:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/18/22, 02:41:41 PM
A much needed win.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/19/22, 08:13:30 AM
Can't watch 'em down here :rolleyes: but I see Polanco had a big game with 4 RBIs. Homer from Garlick too, @ KC tonight & Archer gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/21/22, 08:27:40 AM
Why can't the Twins ever gets off to a fast start?  :confused:

Someone please tell me the last time that ANY Minnesota sports team was hot right out of the chute?*  :scratch:

*Besides the Lynx.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/21/22, 01:19:30 PM
Exact opposite of what we were expecting. Supposed to be good hitting and suspect pitching. Yesterday's lineup had 7 guys hitting under 200. No wonder they can't score any runs. I know it has only been 12 games.But come on!!!

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

 Buxton back in the lineup today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/21/22, 03:35:17 PM
 :happy1: :cool: He is often a key pc of their offense.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/21/22, 06:25:37 PM
They mashed KC today...................1-0   :rotflmao:

Upside is this Ryan kid pitched another good game.

5-8 coming home for the hated White Sux.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/22/22, 06:32:02 AM
5-8 coming home for the hated White Sux.
Time for the boys to start playing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/23/22, 07:40:05 AM
Twins win another ugly one 2-1 last night. Only 2 runs because Chicago gave them to the Twins with 2 throwing errors. Ninth inning got hair raising with Pagan loading the bases before getting out of it.  :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:

I was supposed to go to the game today with 20 members of my family. Can't ride in a car for 3-4 hours to get there. Oh well. maybe later in the summer. Probably get rained out anyway.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/23/22, 07:48:35 AM
The lack of hitting is mystifying. Arraez is the only guy I can watch anymore. It's a shame to waste the starting pitching they are getting. It would be nice to score some runs and give the pitchers some breathing room.

But, a win is a win. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/23/22, 07:56:46 AM
Twins win another ugly one 2-1 last night. Only 2 runs because Chicago gave them to the Twins with 2 throwing errors. Ninth inning got hair raising with Pagan loading the bases before getting out of it.  :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:

I was supposed to go to the game today with 20 members of my family. Can't ride in a car for 3-4 hours to get there. Oh well. maybe later in the summer. Probably get rained out anyway.
Ken, its probably gonna get rained out anyway!!!!!! :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/23/22, 08:14:18 AM
The lack of hitting is mystifying. Arraez is the only guy I can watch anymore. It's a shame to waste the starting pitching they are getting. It would be nice to score some runs and give the pitchers some breathing room.

But, a win is a win. 
It's not just the Twins either, the whole league is struggling to score many runs. Well, except for a few of the teams with $200-300 mil payrolls. :rolleyes: Many are blaming the cold weather & extra short Spring Training because of the lockout. :scratch: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/23/22, 08:32:02 AM
Thats some of it. Some of it is they all want to only hit homeruns. Some of it is the shifts have f'ed up their heads. Some guys like Polanco, Urshela, Correa, Kepler I think will be ok. The fat kid will never get it. I'm not sure yet on Larnach and Jeffers. Sanchez I know is only 2% better than Sano. I also think you have to scrap all the situational stuff Baldelli likes. Write the line-up out, leave them in the same slot and run them out there day after day after day.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/23/22, 08:48:49 AM
Watched a game the other day, WSox & Cleveland(?), where they had the shift on & the guy got to the ball but he was so deep he couldn't throw the guy out. :crazy: :scratch: :doah: Problem is that they all want to be like TB,  as they started all the situational/shift stuff & field a competitive team every year while keeping their payroll at or near the bottom of the league. That's where Baldelli cut his teeth too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/23/22, 09:39:56 AM
I would like to see them require 2 infielders on each side of second base. And no infielders on the outfield grass.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/23/22, 10:03:01 AM
Thats the new rule going in next year. I don't know about the part about the outfield grass.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/24/22, 07:33:54 AM
Buxton played yesterday and the bats woke up, another strong outing by Bundy, he's 3-0! Who'da thunk it?

Everybody had better swings except the fat kid, he did his part keeping a breeze going in Target Field.

Going for the sweep today.    :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/24/22, 07:56:11 AM
Arraez & Jeffers had good games at the plate too. :happy1: Coloumbe struggled a bit out of the pen but he hadn't pitched in a week, Stashak & Thielbar looked good though. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/24/22, 08:07:43 AM
As bad as some of these hitters are I don't see how Arraez doesn't play 5-6 games a week. He always sees pitches and put a good swing on them. There are 12 other hitters that should be watching him hit every time he gets near the plate.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/24/22, 08:11:11 AM
Buxton played yesterday and the bats woke up, another strong outing by Bundy, he's 3-0! Who'da thunk it?

Everybody had better swings except the fat kid, he did his part keeping a breeze going in Target Field.

Going for the sweep today.    :happy1:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: i think you need to invite that kid up and have a few grain belts together!!!!  :sleazy: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/24/22, 06:00:30 PM
Buxton to the rescue again. Home runs in the 7th and walk off in the 10th.

Should change the dollar bill to

"In Buxton We Trust" :happy1: :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/24/22, 06:18:04 PM
As bad as some of these hitters are I don't see how Arraez doesn't play 5-6 games a week. He always sees pitches and put a good swing on them. There are 12 other hitters that should be watching him hit every time he gets near the plate.
:scratch: Especially the way he uses the whole field, no way they put a shift on him. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/24/22, 06:20:20 PM
With first base open you have to wonder if LaRussa feared Arraez more than Buxton or if he was taking a nap?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/25/22, 08:18:13 AM
I got to listen to the best parts of the Saturday and Sunday games on the radio. 

Its a brand new race in the division now.
 :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/25/22, 08:19:33 AM
I gotta believe that last pitch was supposed to be up & away at least another 6-8". That's the best Winder has looked so far IMO too, not so sure he'll be with the team next week. So, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get another look or 2 against Detroit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/25/22, 08:21:59 AM
I got to listen to the best parts of the Saturday and Sunday games on the radio. 

Its a brand new race in the division now.
 :crazy:
Yup, top dog today!! :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/25/22, 08:24:03 AM
I think after a couple of starters revert back to what they are Winder goes into the rotation. So they either keep him here in long relief or send him to start in St. Paul.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/25/22, 08:45:32 AM
Yeah, St. Paul to get him regular work, I think. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/22, 08:27:17 AM
Paddack gets the ball tonight, 6:40 game time against Detroit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/27/22, 06:21:20 AM
Bullpen blew it. Looks like Kepler is coming around. Wonder how long they will keep playing Sano. Basically a strike out machine.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/27/22, 06:47:42 AM
Very dominate game for Paddock, he was good.
Thielbar was bad, he seems to have a game or two like that every year.
Kepler & Urshela WERE the offense last night.
Kepler catches the ball Grossman butchered in the 9th last night.
Sano is ...... well, Sano. He is a strikeout machine. His base running blunder last night proved again there is nothing between the ears on that kid.
Ugly finish.

Twins win!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/27/22, 07:29:11 AM
Heck of a finish! 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/27/22, 07:54:02 AM
 :scratch: Sano had the last hit that led to the W & he hit a rope to LF early too but that was right at somebody. Good to see Kepler get it going yday :happy1:, Urshela had a couple hits too.  :crazy: end to the game again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/22, 05:53:17 AM
Ryan was throwing darts & struck out 9 in going 7 innings for the 1st time. :cool: Kepler & Jeffers hit 3 bombs & had all 5 RBI's. :happy1: Arraez & Larnach had good games at the plate too. An early game today, 12:10 1st pitch, & Ober gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/28/22, 06:42:10 AM
I'm warming up to Ryan. He gets the ball, throws the ball. Not a lot of messing around and thinking with him. He has his plan and goes about his business.

Nice to see Sano get benched for at a game. Correa needs to get going but his defense is impressive. Will Buxton turn into a all or nothing guy at the plate?

Thanks for the heads up on the early game, I would have missed the game.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/28/22, 07:20:11 AM
Good game last night. Time to move Correa and Polanco down in the batting order. Both hitting barely over .100. Can't afford to keep giving your number 3 and 4 hitters extra at bats late in the game. Move up the guys who are hitting a lot better.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/28/22, 07:43:52 AM
I'm pretty sure Correa hit 6th for Houston last year. Of course it can be argued that Houston has better players top to bottom. He is a .260ish type guy. Polanco will be fine once he gets going.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/28/22, 09:11:11 AM
Until they get going, they need better hitters in the 3 and 4 spots to get more at bats in the 8th and 9th inning.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/28/22, 01:29:00 PM
I watched the game until Ryan came out.  Nice to see them finish the game and shut out Detroit.

Yes Ryan is fun to watch.  And it was fun watching Detroit's Pinada pitch as well... especially since he was the one getting lit up for dingers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/22, 06:46:05 PM
 :scratch: I don't remember when I seen 2 bunts in a row last. :doah:  That pressured their D into 2 errors & Correa's following double to LC broke the game open. He went 3 for 5 & had 3 RBI's. A lot of damage done by the bottom of the order, they went 4/7, & Urshela went 3/4 batting clean up too. Someone different leading the way almost everyday!! :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/28/22, 08:15:47 PM
Another fun game.  Cooper and I took a nap and woke up a little later and we had scored 4 more runs.  Great way to spend an afternoon. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/29/22, 09:08:16 AM
On to TB today, Bundy takes the mound for a 6:10 start. TB has some of the best pitching in the AL every year so I hope the Twins can keep it going. Would love to see 'em win 2 of the 3.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/29/22, 09:42:01 AM
I respect what the TB front office does and how they win with a skinny budget every year. However, I couldn't watch them every game. All the pitching changes would drive me insane.

Whats the feeling about all these players moving around every year. Most here are older and remember in the days we were young following our favorite teams. We knew every player and a lot of their stats. We knew those players would be there year to year unless they were traded or retire. With all the player movement do you think it plays a part why there isn't the interest in baseball any more? How invested can we get in Correa for instance when we know he is one & done?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/29/22, 10:27:40 AM
The Twins have a 3 game lead in the AL Central!?!  :confused:  :happy1:

Seems like a week ago they were in last place. :crazy:

Hope I didn't jinx 'em. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/22, 11:05:11 AM
Not that the Twins are good......the rest of the Central are really playing bad. All a couple games under 500
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/29/22, 11:25:09 AM
Analytics are what they are, but the fundamentals of fielding and hitting and baserunning seem to be sorely lacking in many of today's players.

And if that is generally true league-wide, it doesn't explain why there are so many bad records...  I mean when two bad teams play, someone has to win.

Still, I think when players rely on raw talent and athleticism instead of fundamentals, they are going to have streakier performance with more bad games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/29/22, 03:47:48 PM
 
 :scratch: He has already said he likes it here, except for the Spring weather & wouldn't mind staying. Realistically though, I don't believe they will be able to give him the type of long term deal he said he wanted. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jaredwyllys/2022/04/26/is-carlos-correa-already-thinking-extension-with-the-minnesota-twins/?sh=2ff24e9  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/29/22, 04:55:55 PM
He is pretty fun to watch.  Damn good!  Hopefully he really likes a lot of lakes and snow.   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/22, 06:47:10 PM
Sano not in the lineup for 3 games in a row. Averages look a lot better now than last week. Knee issue.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/29/22, 06:52:33 PM
I can't find them on TV. I have Midco cable up here.

I see they are down 5-0, bad Bundy showed up.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/29/22, 07:18:53 PM
Not on here neither.  Usually on 626 Bally Sports.  Says they are on the other Bally channel but it is Wild Hockey.  They are ahead 2-1.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/22, 09:03:23 PM
I just recorded it on Bally sports. They lost 6-1 to Cory Clubber.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/30/22, 05:46:45 AM
Two doubles, a single, & a HR in the 1st 4 for TB, down 4-0. Kluber only gave up 1 hit & 1 run in 6 innings to get his 1st W of the year. Correa had the only RBI & 2 of our 3 hits. No TV here either. A 3:00 game today, Archer gets the start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/30/22, 06:54:06 AM
Tampa will be tough for them. They will be lucky to win 1 of the last 2 games. Archer will get jumped early and then it's back into the pen. Not good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/30/22, 08:18:10 AM
Bundy went 6 & threw 94 pitches. Coulombe got cleanup duty going 2 innings & only 1 hit. There should be plenty of arms, if needed, ready to go in the bullpen. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/02/22, 05:33:00 AM
They win 2 of 3 from TB & move on to Baltimore today. Archer struggled some in game 2 but the bullpen was flawless. Winder looked really good in his 1st career MLB start of game 3 but the bullpen struggled a bit in that 1. They were 12 of 27 with RISP for the last 2 games :happy1: :cool: & that'll win a lot of games. A 6:00 game today & Paddack gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/02/22, 07:27:45 AM
They did much better than I thought they would. Some bats are coming around so thats helping for sure.

Best news is they got rid of Sano finally. Hopefully it's a 4 month rehab. The game is soooo much easier when you can put the bat on the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/22, 07:48:28 AM
It is tough to know how much is injury, how much is subterfuge, and how much is the Twins needing to get the roster down to 26 players.

I hope they make Sano earn his way back into the lineup.  If everyone else in the lineup is hitting well, MAYBE you can afford to put a guy like Sano in the game.  But until then, they seem to be winning without him.

It is a small sample size, but I don't think they've played a stretch of baseball this well since Paul Monitor's "No Retreat,  No Surrender" season.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/02/22, 07:57:09 AM
Arriez? is doing good at first base and he is a hitter.  So what is wrong with Sano?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/02/22, 07:57:40 AM
Arraez has been playing some good D at 1st base too, especially since he hasn't ever played there very much. :cool: I know Morneau has been pretty impressed as he comments on it every game he's over there.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/22, 08:02:41 AM
Arriez? is doing good at first base and he is a hitter.  So what is wrong with Sano?

They say Sano hurt his knee in that base running gaff the other night.

Take the Twins at their word, but the timing is good for sitting down a player who wasn't performing BEFORE the injury and you need to trim two players off the active roster.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/02/22, 08:03:50 AM
Gotcha. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/02/22, 08:07:02 AM
He 1st hurt it in that :crazy: last game against the WSox but he tweaked it again in the 1st game with TB too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/02/22, 08:23:17 AM
Just be thankful he is gone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/22, 08:26:09 AM
Just so long as the Twins don't trade Sano to the Red Socks and he develops into a Hall of Fame player.   :angry:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/02/22, 08:43:22 AM
Twins didn't trade Ortiz, he was claimed and there were a bunch of other teams that passed on him. He also was mentioned in the Mitchell report has having tested positive for steroids, after he had left the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/22, 08:56:00 AM
I know.  I know.  I'm just a jaded Minnesota sports fan.  Some guys just don't take off until they get into the right situation.  And back then, the Twins weren't the right situation.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/22, 08:58:09 AM
Twins, Luis Arraez Avoid Arbitration (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/05/twins-luis-arraez-avoid-arbitration.html)

The Twins and utilityman Luis Arraez have agreed to a one-year contract for the 2022 season.  The two sides will avoid an arbitration hearing, as a deal wasn’t reached between Arraez and the Twins prior to the deadline for filing arb figures.

Terms of the deal aren’t yet known, but Arraez filed for a $2.4MM salary, while the Twins countered with $1.85MM.  (MLBTR’s Matt Swartz projected Arraez for a $2MM salary.)  This is the first of four arbitration-eligible years for the 25-year-old, who gained an extra arb year as a Super Two player.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/03/22, 05:52:32 AM
Another good start from Paddack, except they got him a couple runs this time. :happy1: So, he got his 1st W of the season. Smith only needed 2 pitches to get out of the jam he came into. :cool: The bullpen was spotless from there. Correa & Jeffers had the big hits for the only 2 RBI's. Ryan goes today, same time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/03/22, 07:00:52 AM
Baltimore needs to fix that left center field wall. Gordon could have been hurt pretty bad had he hit right on the joint.

Need more bats to wake up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/03/22, 07:24:07 AM
  :huh: Sometimes it's good pitching by the other team too. Only 3 Twins without a knock, 1 was playing his 1st game in the majors, another didn't get an at bat, so it was only Kepler who didn't get a hit. Twins had 7 hits but could only scratch 2 runs. :scratch: Yeah DB, I was glad to see Gordon get up as he hit that wall pretty hard. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/03/22, 07:43:31 AM
I'll give credit to great pitching, however they aren't seeing great pitching IMO. I worry what the team will look like when this pitching bubble of ours burst. They are doing great so far but they as a group aren't this good. Time will tell I guess. I'll take this over that crap we had to watch last season at this time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/03/22, 07:52:06 AM
Sunday was the last day of the expanded roster, so they had 6 roster moves yday. https://www.mlb.com/twins/news/jose-miranda-called-up
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/03/22, 04:40:27 PM
I'll give credit to great pitching, however they aren't seeing great pitching IMO. I worry what the team will look like when this pitching bubble of ours burst. They are doing great so far but they as a group aren't this good. Time will tell I guess. I'll take this over that crap we had to watch last season at this time.

I don't know......the last 2 teams they have played, Tampa and Baltimore have pitching staffs with ERA's in the top half of MLB. The Twins are at number 5 in MLB.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/04/22, 07:49:33 AM
Ryan struggled with his control, but the bullpen had his back. Jeffers & Polanco had the big hits & it's another W.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/04/22, 07:52:22 AM
When is the last time the Twinks won 11 out of 12?   :confused:  :happy1:

I hope I didn't jinx 'em just now.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/04/22, 07:52:55 AM
So different and so much more fun than last year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/04/22, 09:14:54 AM
It is making a fan out of me.  Fun to watch them.  Was hard to stay interested last year. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/05/22, 08:28:39 AM
Give 'em a couple extra outs & all of a sudden, they've got 6 runs. :rolleyes: Twins had been catching most of the breaks in the last week or so, but not yday. Not many regulars played but that was 13 in a row. Archer goes today, same time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/05/22, 01:25:45 PM
Yep.  I jinx'd 'em.

I'd like to have thought it would be a different game if Sanchez wouldn't have gotten hit by that screaming liner to end the rally in the top of the 4th. 

I know its a long season, and as a manager you need to give pitchers the time and space to learn how to pitch when you don't have your best stuff, but Bundy couldn't throw a strike in the 3rd unless it was right down the middle.  I was disappointed to see him come back in to pitch the 4th, and the rest is history.

The good news is, Twins fans are paying attention again.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/05/22, 03:33:30 PM
Couldn't believe a starting pitcher is left in to give up 9 runs.

 :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :tut: :tut: :tut:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/05/22, 03:42:58 PM
I know, hindsight is 20/20.  It would have been ideal if Bundy would have come back, settled down, and got out of the 4th without giving up any runs, but the Twins caught some bad breaks in that inning as well.

I kinda like the notion that you don't always go to the bullpen at the first sign of problems.  Pitchers have to learn to bounce back from a bad inning and they only way they learn to do that is by going right back out there.  If they always get the hook, they never get the chance to figure it out in a game situation.

Perhaps being 11 out of 12 hot streak left Baldeli thinking that he could afford to give Bundy that chance.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/05/22, 06:37:03 PM
Baldelli, Arraez, and Bundy all out with Covid.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/06/22, 06:25:22 AM
Correa getting hit by a pitch twice is the one I worry about. If that hand is bad the ship will spring a leak.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/06/22, 06:27:12 AM
  :scratch: That was my 1st thought too, Steve-o, you jinxed 'em. ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: I was thinking the same thing on the play were Sanchez couldn't get out of the way of Celestino's hit. :confused: Way too many DP's the last couple days(7(?)) & I think Urshela has hit into almost 1/2 of em, 3. Those are real rally killers. :thumbs: Looks like we could be without Correa for a while too, as early reports are sayin he has a broken finger. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/07/22, 06:44:32 AM
Another nail biter again last night. Twins pulled it out 2-1 but not until Pagan loaded the bases in the 9th.

Miranda got his first dinger, Buxton hit another bomb and Lewis picked up his first MLB hit and played well at short.

Winder breezed through 'em again last night. Is this kid for real? Time will tell.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/07/22, 07:53:30 AM
Good game all around until the 9th. Nail biting ending.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/07/22, 08:10:08 AM
 Smith & Duffy looked really good as did Winder. Wish Pagan was able to start getting ahead in the count more again though :rolleyes:, it's much easier to watch.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/07/22, 07:20:10 PM
Great fastball at 103 MPH. Just all over the place with it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/08/22, 08:12:40 AM
 :scratch: Might've been a little too pumped-up, usually he's closer to 100-101. He has 4-5 really good pitches but usually doesn't have control of all 'em at the same time. He's young & still learning with a chance to be really good IMO, if he can stay healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/22, 06:02:29 AM
Some nice work by Stashak & Thielbar to pick up the slack from the short start. Miranda & Polanco had the key knocks. A much-needed day off before Houston comes to town. Hope they can find their bats again against them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/09/22, 07:49:14 AM
I think they need Buxton, Arraeize, and Correa back in the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/09/22, 07:57:01 AM
Good thing they have been piecing these wins together...  In the last 10 games the Twinks, Sox and GuardiIndians ALL have gone 7-3.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/22, 08:27:16 AM
  Heard Bremer say that he was told that Correa & Buxton should be in the lineup tomorrow. Something was also mentioned about Rocco, Arraez, & I imagine Bundy as well, flying back here yday. I would think :scratch: they'd at least need to test negative for the virus again before rejoining the team.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/22, 09:06:45 AM
MLB protocols call for negative tests on consecutive days & approval from the league before they can rejoin the team, is what I read.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/09/22, 09:30:42 AM
Doubtful they would have flown without testing negative first. Another negative test today or tomorrow and they should be good to go.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/09/22, 12:07:15 PM
Nice article about Buxton in the New York Times...

‘He’s the Best Player in the World’ (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/08/sports/baseball/byron-buxton-twins.html)

The Byron Buxton Experience is finally happening for the Minnesota Twins and the team could not be happier. A little caution along the way can’t hurt.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/09/22, 01:00:16 PM
Yes.....nice tribute to Buxton. Just stay healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/22, 06:45:34 PM
Just read where Correa himself has said he probably won't play tomorrow.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/10/22, 08:02:57 AM
It's a 6:40 game today, Ryan gets the start. Hope they have their hittin shoes on as Verlander starts for Houston & they've won 7 in a row.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/10/22, 08:42:17 AM
This series doesn't bode well for the Twins. Although I said the same thing when they went to Tampa.    :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/11/22, 06:01:06 AM
A 5-0 loss to Houston. Nearly no hit by Verlander. No Correa or Buxton or Larnach. Once Houston got in front they ran all over the place. I'm not a fan of the new catching style they are teaching. The catchers have almost no chance of throwing anybody out.

 Didn't seem to be a lot of people there even for a Tuesday. Maybe they all stayed home to watch the Wild.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/11/22, 07:38:30 AM
 :scratch: Announced attendance was 16,156. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/11/22, 09:34:02 AM
How many does Target Field seat? Mid 30's? Didn't look 1/2 full to me. Oh well.....
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/11/22, 12:04:38 PM
About 40,000
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/12/22, 06:12:44 AM
You're right DB, it wasn't. According to ESPN, capacity of Target Field is 39,029 & with 16,156 in the stands, that is 41% full.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/12/22, 07:56:52 AM
So last nights game will resume at 12:10 today.  30 minutes after that game the second game will start.  Each team can use an extra player. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/12/22, 08:36:10 AM
Archer was terrible last night so the rains came at a good time. Houston is loaded, they will be tough to beat especially if Verlander holds up all season. I'll have the TV on.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/12/22, 12:32:25 PM
Big Cuban kid pitching for the Twinks, never heard of the guy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/16/22, 07:58:18 AM
Nice to see a good start from Ryan after the last couple & so was takimg 2 of 3 from Cleveland. :happy1: It sounds like they'll start getting some guys back now too. :cool: Bundy is scheduled to star game 2 in Oakland & Garlick is flying out there to join them as well. Ober, Correa, & Larnach might be able join them this week too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/16/22, 08:08:33 AM
Bundy is scheduled to star game 2 in Oakland ...
I still think of this whenever I hear Bundy is going to pitch.   :bonk:

(https://miro.medium.com/max/600/1*V29VRvhT8Du6sZESUjjDnQ.jpeg)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/16/22, 09:32:04 AM
Me too.  Crosses my mind every time I hear it. lol
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/16/22, 01:13:35 PM
 :rotflmao: he's my hero!!! :snow5: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/16/22, 02:43:13 PM
The game is at 8:40 tonight.  Won't be watching much of that.  My bed time isn't much later than that. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/16/22, 05:35:03 PM
The game is at 8:40 tonight.  Won't be watching much of that.  My bed time isn't much later than that.

Same here. Will record and watch it tomorrow. Just have to keep from hearing the score.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/17/22, 01:09:34 PM
 :scratch: Didn't want to be the spoiler ;) :rolleyes: :laugh:....................... so no posts on last night's game from me.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on May 05/17/22, 01:21:36 PM
I know!!!   I know!!!!     :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/17/22, 03:10:53 PM
I will honor that. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/18/22, 08:01:50 AM
Getaway day today, so it's a 2:30 game. Gray gets the ball & I heard Correa is going to play. They had to move Lewis & Cotton to make room for Bundy & Correa yday too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/19/22, 07:52:51 AM
Getaway day, I'll say, and get away fast after the drubbing they gave the A's yesterday.   :happy1:

Still puzzled about Baldeli's explanation for sending Royce Lewis back to St. Paul...  Royce is doing well at the plate, but they won't play him at other defensive positions with Corea back in the lineup.

They say that they don't want to move him around all over the place, but (in so many words) sending him back to St. Paul will give them a chance to get him comfortable playing other positions.    :scratch:

I s'pose if Corea somehow plays for the twins next year, they will want Lewis in the lineup as well.  But why not play them both together now?  :confused:

Give Lewis a little OJT in the big leagues since he has a hot bat.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/19/22, 01:29:35 PM
Well Paddock didn't last long.....Tommy John surgery yesterday. Out for the season. Doesn't look like trading Rogers for him was such a great idea.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/19/22, 02:17:12 PM
They'll attempt a cheap extension like they did with Pinada. I have no problem with the trade. I like Paddock, Pagan is decent. They aren't winning anything this year anyway.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/19/22, 02:26:24 PM
They aren't winning anything this year anyway.

What  :confused:  You never read this?  It's the Twin's Way!   :bonk:

(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_d973e423-f19d-4eee-a845-a121898bc9c1?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/19/22, 04:14:20 PM
 :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/20/22, 07:46:59 AM
 
Well Paddock didn't last long.....Tommy John surgery yesterday. Out for the season. Doesn't look like trading Rogers for him was such a great idea.
Rogers will be a FA at the end of this season & he's going to get paid pretty well. Twins must've thought that they wouldn't be able to sign him, so they traded him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/20/22, 07:51:07 AM
yea the Twins owners are a bunch of cheap jackwads..........Polanco will be the next one out the door because there such tightazzes!!!!1 :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/20/22, 08:22:29 AM
Correa will be out the door after 1 year also. Although Lewis looks pretty good at shortstop.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/20/22, 09:12:56 AM
yea the Twins owners are a bunch of cheap jackwads..........Polanco will be the next one out the door because there such tightazzes!!!!1 :confused:

They signed Polanco to a extension the same year they signed Kepler to his. I want to say he is signed until 2026?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/20/22, 09:47:44 AM
Lewis hits a grand slam and they ship him to the Saints.  ?????? Plays a pretty darn good in field too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/20/22, 10:50:34 AM
Correa is back. Lewis goes down for playing time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/21/22, 07:15:34 AM
yea the Twins owners are a bunch of cheap jackwads..........Polanco will be the next one out the door because there such tightazzes!!!!1 :confused:

They signed Polanco to a extension the same year they signed Kepler to his. I want to say he is signed until 2026?
Yeah DB, he signed an extension last year or in 2020 & is signed through 2025. As far as Rogers goes, he already has 15 saves in 17 chances & with his age & being lefthanded, somebody will offer him a big $ long term deal IMO. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him sign a 5-6 year deal for $100-120 mil.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/22/22, 05:31:03 PM
Big time comeback for a 7-6 win in KC today.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/22/22, 09:48:39 PM
Heck of a game.....7 runs in the last 2 innings after being down 6-0.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/24/22, 07:55:02 AM
Another win in their last at bat yday. Gray gets the ball today, same time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/26/22, 08:02:33 AM
Bundy pitched good enough to get the W but didn't, so the streak is over. They can start a new 1 today, 6:40 game time with Smeltzer getting the ball. Ryan was placed on the CV-19 list & Polanco is now listed as day to day. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/26/22, 09:13:53 AM
OK, I'll be the guy to say it..........

Buxton has been terrible lately.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/26/22, 09:25:12 AM
Injury speculation or just a slump?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/26/22, 11:24:42 AM
Sano-itist. Hit a homerun and start dipping the shoulder and hunting fat fastballs. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/26/22, 06:35:48 PM
OK, I'll be the guy to say it..........

Buxton has been terrible lately.

0 for his last 26 at bats. He'll come out of it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/27/22, 09:33:26 AM
Verry disappointing loss last night.  Duffy giving up three in the 8th was not good.  Too many breaking pitches hanging in the center of the strike zone.

Twins had bases loaded with no outs in their 8th inning rally when KC pitcher Barlow came in.  He was throwing primarily breaking balls that crossed the plate low, below the strike zone, several of them blocked by the catcher.  You'd think one of the next three batters could have drawn a walk, but no - strikeouts and weak grounders.  The Twins' 9th inning rally was a similar story.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/27/22, 04:43:04 PM
Twins are off to a good start against the sisters of the poor. Other than a handful of games the offense has basically sucked, hard to admit but the pitching has been carrying them. They don't start swinging pretty soon that record will be flip flopped and they will be fighting to stay above .500 again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/27/22, 04:52:09 PM
Wait till next week when they play Toronto, Yankees, and Tampa. They better be hitting better than now.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/27/22, 05:08:06 PM
Maybe ol Rocco will have the starters throw 8 complete games.    :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/28/22, 07:53:03 AM
 :scratch: I was a little surprised when I checked their stats, # 2 in hitting in AL with a .248 BA behind only the Bosox (.257). They're #4 (AL) in ERA(3.31) as well, along with # 4 in defense with a .987 FP. There's 3 teams tied with a .988 there.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/28/22, 08:38:05 AM
Everything including the schedule has fallen in place for them this year. The fielding should maintain it's self, the hitting might hold but the pitching at some point will revert back to what it is. They are better than last year (except at catcher) and I look for a bit more power as the year progresses.

On a side note, does anybody think the teams have learned to use the covid list as a way to move players around? If you put a player on the IL you lose them for I think 10 days? The covid list you can get them back in 2 or 3 days I think.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/29/22, 12:35:30 PM
So who will stay home when they go to Toronto end of the week? Can't cross the border if not Covid Vaccinated.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/30/22, 07:45:34 AM
 :scratch: It doesn't look like Celestino or Ryan will make that trip as they're on the CV-19 list now.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/01/22, 06:51:08 AM
 Correa now too! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/01/22, 08:32:59 PM
Crappy lineup again.....No runs for 18 straight innings. Maybe Jim Kaat needs to go home. Jinx?????
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/01/22, 08:42:36 PM
Kaat needs Rocco's job.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/01/22, 09:53:15 PM
In the opening to Monday's game, they said it was the 47th different lineup & the 50th game.  :crazy: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/02/22, 07:57:10 AM
Kaat hit it on the head in one of the games...

Kaat said back in his day, he (and presumably most other guys) were plow horses, built for the long haul.

Today's athletes are thoroughbreds and every at bat or play in the field is an all out sprint or high impact collision, which leads to more injuries.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/02/22, 04:04:01 PM
Gagged another one today 3-2. You just aren't going to win enough games if you can't put 4-5 runs a game on the board with this pitching staff.

For those not paying attention that was 4 of 5 they lost to Detroit. Now on to Toronto.  :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/02/22, 07:35:57 PM
 :scratch: There's 7 pitchers, 4 starters on the IL right now too & that sure doesn't help any.  :crazy: :pouty: https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/min/minnesota-twins
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/03/22, 07:24:32 AM
 :scratch: Even the guy that was leading the AL in BA left Motown with a doughnut, going 0-9 in his last 2 games.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/03/22, 05:07:19 PM
:scratch: Even the guy that was leading the AL in BA left Motown with a doughnut, going 0-9 in his last 2 games.  :confused:

With 4 or 5 strikeouts to I think. He struggled.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/03/22, 08:47:40 PM
Keplar and 3 pitchers staying home with not being vaccinated.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/04/22, 07:55:58 AM
The bats came to life for a much-needed win. :happy1: Good job by the bullpen :cool:, not sure who they have left though. Bundy goes today, would love to see him go at least 6. Need 1 more from the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/04/22, 10:00:36 AM
Beat Berrios!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/05/22, 05:21:54 PM
Almost blew it.

Question:  What smells worse than 3 day old road kill in July?

Answer:  Tyler Duffey's pitching.

Why is he still on the team???
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/07/22, 09:58:52 PM
Like I said above....3 day old Coyote road kill on the mound again!!!!


Why is this turkey still on the team????

 Bullpen caves in again.  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/08/22, 06:25:44 AM
I watched until the HR that made it 8-4. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: snow1 on June 06/08/22, 06:56:42 AM
Watched the twins so-called highlights this morning,more like a whoopin,been years since I followed the twinkee's,maybe since 1991 world series? But yesterday's game showed the stands mostly empty,are folks giving up on the mlb as well? curious.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/08/22, 07:23:50 AM
 :scratch: The Yankees always draw a good crowd & I thought yday was no exception. ESPN says the announced attendance for yday was 27,761 & with 39,000 capacity that's 71% full.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/08/22, 08:19:25 AM
The Twinks were scratching and clawing to tally their runs and offer a glimmer of hope, but the Yanks just have a better lineup right now.  Certainly better than the Twins pitching was last night.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/08/22, 04:38:36 PM
The predictable pitching collapse has arrived. We will now see the record was built on beating up teams even worse than the Twinks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/08/22, 04:59:31 PM
Yeah, its about time to stop using injuries as an excuse - even if their rotation is decimated.

Its about time the Twins pony up and invest in some quality starters that can go beyond 4 innings.

And maybe that's what they are trying to build, but they ain't anywhere close to that this season.

Until then the Twins will continue to be "The Little Engine that Could."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/08/22, 07:33:40 PM
9 Walks last night. Including 1 with the bases loaded. Can't do that against a really good team and win a game.

 :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/09/22, 05:44:29 AM
Jeffer's breaks the ice on a 0/21 with a bomb & Buxton follows in the same inning plus a couple big hits from Miranda that were all key. Archer struggled with his control again but got out of the bases loaded only giving up 1 run & the bullpen was spotless after that. A nice win against 1 of the hottest pitchers in the AL. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/09/22, 06:37:20 AM
A win is a win but I question the use of the pitchers. You can have all the numbers you want but at some point you have to trust these starters. They have to allow them to go more than 4-5 innings if they don't want to destroy the bullpen by July. Why not trot Archer out for the 6th? If it goes bad then start the bullpen parade. If it goes well you gained at least 1 more inning the bullpen doesn't get used. Even with Sands yesterday, 4-1 isn't something thats insurmountable. Give him a chance to get out of trouble. You don't learn by reading a sheet of paper and watching, you learn by doing.

Sorry, my old school slipped out there for a minute.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/09/22, 06:41:16 AM
Was great that they were able to hang on and actually put more points on the board as the game went on.  Could see Judge talking to the others with a little concern on his face as the game went on.  Loved seeing him squirm and was also fun to see our pitchers striking him out.  LOL
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/09/22, 07:30:02 AM
There's only 2 of the 6 Opening Day starters left in the rotation at the moment & I think they are trying to protect them some too. They have had Smeltzer step up lately to help with that quite a bit in the last week or 2 though.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/09/22, 11:19:16 AM
A win is a win but I question the use of the pitchers. You can have all the numbers you want but at some point you have to trust these starters. They have to allow them to go more than 4-5 innings if they don't want to destroy the bullpen by July. Why not trot Archer out for the 6th? If it goes bad then start the bullpen parade. If it goes well you gained at least 1 more inning the bullpen doesn't get used. Even with Sands yesterday, 4-1 isn't something thats insurmountable. Give him a chance to get out of trouble. You don't learn by reading a sheet of paper and watching, you learn by doing.

Sorry, my old school slipped out there for a minute.   :pouty:

I hear Frank Viola say pretty much the same thing in an interview last year.  Great minds think alike, eh? 

I guess if the Twins win the division and beat the Yankees in the play offs, you can crown Baldeli Manager of the Year. 

At least they are relevant this year and we are talking about them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/09/22, 05:04:11 PM
They are relevant and fun to watch however they have played a weak schedule and the White Sux have well...sucked. July 15, if they are still within 3 games on July 15th I might drink the kool-aid. My best guess is the pitching is a shambles and we are leaning on Joe Ryan far to much.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/10/22, 10:00:35 AM
Last night the Yankees' relievers got it done, the Twins' didn't.

Twins' relievers couldn't seem to miss any bats with their pitches.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/11/22, 05:28:56 AM
The infield fly that hit the ground just before LeMahieu's HR in the 5th sure didn't help the cause :rolleyes: & neither did Polanco's wild throw to 1B that followed later. :sad: The good news is that they scored 19 runs against the # 1 ranked pitching staff in MLB, so they were in every game. I just hope they can keep the bats going like they did again last night until they get Gray & Ryan back next week in Seattle.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/11/22, 06:14:52 AM
Yep, if you are going to have a bad pitching staff (and they are) you need a stellar defense and a offense that consistently puts up runs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/11/22, 08:35:22 AM
Polanco can be so good with his throws but seems almost once a game he chokes lately.  Hope he can clean that up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/11/22, 02:04:49 PM
Royce Lewis out for 12 months. Right knee reconstruction. Same thing he had that kept him out last year. Hard luck kid.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/11/22, 02:42:33 PM
It's a tough deal for the kid but it was Rocco and the front office who put him out there.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/12/22, 07:22:43 AM
Polanco can be so good with his throws but seems almost once a game he chokes lately.  Hope he can clean that up.
He throws side-arm & as a result his throws often curve a bunch when he hurries them. :pouty: They tried to get him to throw more over the top a few years back when he was playing mostly SS but that really messed him up even worse. :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/19/22, 08:58:57 AM
Unreal!  Just saw the Twins score from last night.  11-1 over the Diamondbacks.  With Bundy pitching.  LOL 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/19/22, 02:17:42 PM
Watched till the 5th inning. Finished this morning. They got 14 hits. This time with runners in scoring position. Not like the night before. And that was w/o Buxton and Ariease only half the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/19/22, 08:21:19 PM
They were 7/12 with RISP & scored 7 runs with 2 out in yday's game, that will get you a W almost all the time. :happy1: :cool: A much different story today. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Outdoors Junkie on June 06/20/22, 03:58:19 PM
Cleveland sits a game back as we get ready to play 8 games against them in the next ten days beginning tomorrow. Hopefully we can pull a few more games a head.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/20/22, 04:02:08 PM
I see we only have a one game cushion in first place now.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/20/22, 04:45:59 PM
I'll be happy if the Twinks are within 3 games of them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/21/22, 07:15:24 AM
Cleveland is 14-5 in month of June.

Twins are 9-11 month of June

Twins had 7.5 game lead beginning of June

Lead is now 1 game

Twins will be in second place end of next week.  :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/21/22, 07:42:21 AM
Ryan's 1st game back so they probably won't let him overdo it. They have 5 starters back in the rotation for the 1st time since mid-May so that should help the bullpen. Would love to see 'em get game 1. Cleveland's schedule has been pretty easy in June too & they now get the BoSox & NYY on the ends of the 2 series with the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/21/22, 07:48:36 AM
For as nice as it would be to see the Twins run away with the division, I kinda like there is only a 1 game lead.

There is something on the line now and every one of these games means more.

It should be a fun series to watch.  Lets see what they are made of.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/22/22, 08:27:24 AM
Standings not withstanding, those two teams looked about as even as they could be last night and played 11 innings.

Twins were within one strike of getting out of the 8th when the Guardi-indians hit the two-run shot to tie the game. 

And the Twins were within ten feet of getting a walk-off homer to win the game from their last batter, Miranda.


That was the first extra inning game I watched where they put a man on 2nd to start each inning.  Purists may say it ain't baseball, but I kinda liked it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/22, 08:40:56 AM
I like the man on second thing.  By then I am ready for the game to get it over with.  Darn Miranda almost did it. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/22, 05:34:50 PM
The wife and I have been getting more into watching games.  I never have been a big baseball fan but am enjoying it.  Of course the team is better than last year so more fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/22/22, 06:17:59 PM
I'm a purist. Don't like the extra inning rule. Don't like all the replays. Will absolutely hate the robo-ump. They took a fine game that grew it's revenue into the billions and step by step are trying to destroy it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/22, 06:29:17 PM
I can see that angle bugging a purist. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/22/22, 06:41:44 PM
I'm going to regret this but I agree with dutchy. There slowly tearing baseball apart.

These guys get paid a ton on money, man up. I had to work at ton of OT in my day, never got to cheat!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/22, 06:55:36 PM
It really bugs me when we see the white box and know exactly what the call should be.  Introduce human error and it is no longer correct.  Once they started with the box on TV it was the beginning of their being robo calls at the plate I think.  Just a matter of time.  Will still have the ump there to manage the game but the calls will be accurate.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/22/22, 07:02:06 PM
The box on TV shows something pretty plainly.......these umps by & large are pretty damn good. You are having 250-300 pitches on a typical game. If they miss less then 10% of the pitches that means they are right 90% of the time.

BTW, Glenn can you frame & sign that "I agree with Dutchy" and send it to me?   :happy1:  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/22/22, 08:40:59 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: naw it's going to haunt me for a long time as it is!! :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/23/22, 02:00:42 PM
Not a good start to the series!!!  The first game could have gone either way - you win some, you lose some.

But last night...?  :tut:

Call it what you will... choke job?   :doah:  The other team just beat you?   :scratch:

Good teams don't let that happen.   :angry:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/23/22, 02:58:53 PM
They need to put in the electronic home plate umpire.

2 infielders on each side of second base.

No infielders starting an at bat on the outfield grass.

3 outfielders only.

No velcro batting gloves.

Timer on the pitcher

Lots of things to make it more entertaining and last less than 3 hours. With most of those we wouldn't notice the difference except for the electronic umpire. 

And NO MORE SPITTING. That's disgusting :tut: :tut:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/23/22, 04:11:37 PM
They need to put in the electronic home plate umpire.
2 infielders on each side of second base.
No infielders starting an at bat on the outfield grass.
3 outfielders only.
No velcro batting gloves.
Timer on the pitcher
Lots of things to make it more entertaining and last less than 3 hours. With most of those we wouldn't notice the difference except for the electronic umpire. 
And NO MORE SPITTING. That's disgusting :tut: :tut:

They either need to institute the electronic balls and strike umpire OR make it illegal to show the digital box on broadcasts.  Its infuriating.    :angry:

I'm with you on the shift, not so much on infielders starting on outfield grass.  I don't think all parks have the same configuration, do they?  If the infield is playing back...  bunt.  ;)

If you put a clock on the pitcher, you can't let the batter out of the box after every pitch, and YES, get rid of those damn velcro gloves.  If the pitcher pitches the ball while the batter is adjusting those stupid things, call it a strike.   :happy1:

I'm OK with spitting, but pinching one nostril closed and blowing out the other is a little over the top. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/23/22, 04:27:12 PM
Yup.....timer on the batter also.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/23/22, 04:29:09 PM
The game isn't broken. The pitch clock and 2 guys on each side of second will fix what needs fixing. The rest of the list we don't need.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/23/22, 04:59:16 PM
The game isn't broken. The pitch clock and 2 guys on each side of second will fix what needs fixing. The rest of the list we don't need.

Need all of the above. Cleaner game, more offense, shorter game time. Eventually will not notice any of those except the automated strike zone.

Anyway.....finally hung on to win one after the last 2. Will be interesting next week in Cleveland for 5 games. Just hope they get the bullpen straightened out.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/23/22, 06:04:08 PM
With the lack of quality pitching in the game I would argue there is more than enough offense already. Lots of football scores.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/23/22, 10:09:28 PM
With the lack of quality pitching in the game I would argue there is more than enough offense already. Lots of football scores.
Heard Bremer say during a recent game that there had been 3 complete games in MLB this season at that point in time & 2 of those were shutouts. :rolleyes: Thought he said the starter lost the other 1. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/24/22, 06:35:02 AM
There are SOME quality pitchers but I don't think there is enough to put even one on every team. The football mentality has taken over where people want action every single second. I enjoy a well pitched game and defense so these games with lots of homeruns and 11-10 final scores don't do a lot for me. They're fine, I just don't enjoy them as much as a well played 4-3 game.

Which Twins starter would you bet $100 on to get the win every single start? None for me. These guys are just average to slightly above average pitchers trying to survive in a day where pitch count over rides common sense. They are not allowed (or encouraged) to go deep into games or to dig themselves out of trouble thus learning how to pitch. Todays motto seems to be there are guys standing on every corner we can get to pitch. Start and go hard as long as you can and then we will open the gates to more guys off the corner who aren't quite as good as you to finish the game.

One thing the Falvey regime has shown me. The Twins will never have a 20 game winner. They will never have a guy throw 3 complete games. They will never have a Cy Young winner. Budget baseball where you spend as little as possible on pitching has arrived in the twin cities.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/24/22, 07:59:11 AM
Want to stop a hot team? Just do what Smeltzer did yday, stay ahead in the count. He faced 21 batters & started 16 of 'em off with a strike. Even then it took a Houdini act from Joe Smith to get out of the bases loaded & nobody out in the 7th. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/24/22, 11:29:46 AM
Did Smith load em up or did he inherit some from Smeltzer?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/24/22, 12:00:00 PM
He loaded them up.  Then was a base hit to first and he threw home for a force out.  The last out was a pop up to Kepler.  May have struck out the second guy, not sure.  Got out of a big mess.  Fun to watch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/25/22, 05:51:13 AM
Smith started the inning & gave up a 2B, followed by a walk, then a HBP loaded 'em up. A FC to Miranda, then a bobbled FC to Urshella, & finally a soft liner to Kepler got him out of it.  :crazy: :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/30/22, 09:00:08 AM
Pegan might be the worst reliever in baseball - let alone closer.  If the Twins loose the division in a close race, it could easily be blamed on these blown saves against the Guardi-Indians. 

And the Twins lost their pitching coach doesn't help.  Not good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/30/22, 03:46:52 PM
Looks like another bullpen meltdown.  :angry: (I haven't had a chance to read the game summary.)

Twins up 3-1 going into the 8th.
Game tied going into the 9th.
Your final score...  Twins 3 - GuardiIndians 5. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/30/22, 04:14:25 PM
They walked everybody in the house today. Correa had 2 errors.

Oh well, they are who we thought they would be. Decent offense and good defense with little to no pitching on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/30/22, 04:20:08 PM
Was fun while it lasted. Still not going to watch soccer though. lol
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/30/22, 05:21:23 PM
I was hoping against hope that they would do rally well this year and Correa would want to opt in next year.

I'm not seein' it at all.   :doah:

So you think pitching coach Wes Johnson took the LSU job and bailed now before the wheels fell off?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/30/22, 06:35:24 PM
I think Johnson found out pro baseball is a grind. When the money became so good going back to college was a easy choice. I don't blame him nor will I miss him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/01/22, 07:04:35 AM
I think his family lives in Arkansas. Went to LSU in order to be closer to them and not be on the road all the time. Minn is on the road for him. Can't blame him for feeling that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/01/22, 07:08:29 AM
He mentioned it was going to be better for his family at least 2-3 times in the interview I seen. Heard he'll be getting paid well but even college baseball is pretty much year-round these days with all the recruiting required & that has gotten much worse with the new transfer portal thing. :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/01/22, 07:47:57 AM
Maybe we do have to take him at his word.  Maybe his wife said it is MLB or me.  High pressure jobs can eat people up, and I there aren't too many jobs that carry the kind of pressure a MLB pitching coach has.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/02/22, 07:30:20 AM
Big win last night!! :happy1: :cool: It would've been a shame to see Ryan pitch that well & lose. Gray goes today, 1:10 1st pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/04/22, 08:03:01 AM
Couldn't get the sticks goin yday as their starter had his best game of the year. They start a series against the Chi Sox tonight @ 7:10, Al's brother  ;) :rolleyes: :smiley: Dylan gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/05/22, 07:30:31 AM
Game 1 = W. :happy1: :cool: Same time today with Archer getting the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/05/22, 07:45:13 AM
Twinks dodged a Bullitt by getting the triple play yesterday. I've never really thought much of the White Sux team. They are good enough to win the division but thats about it. Much the same as the Twins I guess.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/05/22, 08:04:56 AM
I like this Twins team.  The offense and defense are fun to watch.  But pitching is like Forrest Gump's "box of chocolates." 

Arráez into Buxton into Correa really protects Buxton's at bats.  And Correa turns would be infield hits to short into outs.  Arráez's hitting is a national story.

Holding my breath that Sano's return will give the team a lift instead of him reverting back to being a .189 strikeout machine.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/05/22, 08:15:10 AM
I never want to see the fat kid in the line-up again.....ever. I don't care if he goes elsewhere and hits 2,000 homeruns.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/05/22, 08:17:24 AM
We don't need Sano back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/05/22, 03:50:25 PM
The triple play in last night's game was the first ever 8-5 triple play in baseball history.

Byron Buxton’s great catch at the wall set up a historic triple play (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/byron-buxton-s-great-catch-at-the-wall-set-up-a-historic-triple-play/ar-AAZdI3b?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=1bcdb30e48194a31af82a871e866d6b7)

This team IS fun to watch, even if the pitching drives you bat-$#!T.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/05/22, 07:36:43 PM
That is cool as heck!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/06/22, 06:54:59 AM
 
We don't need Sano back.
:tut: :sorry: boys, too much time & $ invested already there. If................when he gets healthy, he'll play IMO.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/06/22, 12:31:37 PM
Trying to keep an open mind about Sano.

But it isn't what I think.  It'll be how his presence and production (or lack of, but I hope not) affect the chemistry in the club house.

The last thing they need in the lineup is an easy out.  And given the way Correa and Polanco get to so many tough balls and make incredible attempts to throw out runners at first, the Twins really need an athletic first baseman to turn those infield hit opportunities into outs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/06/22, 04:45:32 PM
 :scratch: I think they'll bring him back slowly, a few swings here & there along with an inning or 2 at 1B. Just to see how that goes & then decide what's next.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/07/22, 07:25:38 AM
Only 1 hit from the #3-6 hitters & the pitching had a rough day, but they still had a real good chance to win. Day off today & start a series with Texas tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on July 07/17/22, 04:37:15 PM
I can't say I've watched an inning this year, used to pay pretty close attention tho. What's going on either they get creamed are they are doing the creaming.  A little Randy Moss going on...
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/17/22, 05:13:57 PM
Twins doing what Twins do.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/17/22, 06:37:24 PM
Up and down. Poor pitching. Both starters and bullpen.

Hitters seem to take the day off to much.....


Both today.....11-0

They are basically a .500 team since mid-june. 5 days off now.

Only positive note.....Buxton will replace Trout in the starting lineup for the Allstar game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on July 07/17/22, 06:46:30 PM
So coaching the issue?? 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/17/22, 07:01:38 PM
So coaching the issue??
cheap ass owners!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/18/22, 07:13:22 AM
So coaching the issue??
cheap ass owners!!!

That is exactly the problem.

What ticks me off is that the Pohlads told the taxpayers here that....." Build a new stadium and we will have the money to pay for good free agents."

Nothing has changed. Still just signing what the Yankees, Dodgers and the rest don't want. Could just as well have stayed in the Metro Dome and saved us the money.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/18/22, 08:45:39 AM
Cheap ass owners is part of the problem.  Overpaying for #1 "ace" starters is like drafting NFL quarterbacks in the 1st round.  About half of them don't make it.

But good starting pitchers cost what they cost in the MLB marketplace.  I think Falvey and Lavin would prefer to develop (and hopefully pay) their own aces.  (When is the last time the Twins organization developed a legit, shutdown ace?  :confused:)  That way you know what you are getting for your money in terms of health history.  But that approach takes scouts that find top talent, coaches to develop it, and time - which fans in MN are all to willing to give this team.  And it didn't help that the pitching coach quit in the middle of the season. 

Been listening to Jim Kaat a lot this past week on the broadcasts he's been sitting in on.  He really rips the "new age" thinking where starters are out in the 4th or 5th inning so they don't have to go thru the lineup a 3rd time.  Kaat's approach was basically this...

If you want to go 9 innings, you need to train for 13.  You aren't throwing hard when you are pitching those extra training innings, but you are still driving with your legs and body the whole time.  It isn't arms that fatigue, its the legs.  So if guys aren't expected to go 9 any more, no wonder they start to run out of gas after 4 or 5 and batters get to them the third time thru the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/19/22, 06:19:16 AM
The new brand of MLB was created in TB. They pretty much invented "bullpen games" & all the shifts to make the game what it is today. :rolleyes: :sad: They still do it better, except for those that have $250-300 mil payrolls, than just about everyone else too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/19/22, 09:43:27 AM
Smeltzer and Winder sent down to AAA.Smeltzer not happy. To bad.....maybe pitching better would help. Going with 4 starters for right now.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/19/22, 11:52:36 AM
Fox news says the move was made to make room for pitcher Chris Archer's return and that they won't need 5 starters again until the first week of August, when he could be recalled.

Smeltzer has an overall, first-half ERA of 4.02, but in his last 3 starts it has been 8.67.   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/19/22, 12:57:18 PM
In his last outing, Smeltzer was pulled after 3 inning - right before the dreaded "3rd time thru the lineup."  By this time Smeltzer had only thrown 67 pitches, but Baldelli wasn't going to give him an opportunity to fail.  (Which was probably a wise decision.)

Jim Kaat also had something to say about the "3rd time thru the lineup."  Basically batters have all the advanced metrics available real-time on their iPads right after their at bats and this helps them make adjustments in their 3rd plate appearance.  They know what they guy has been throwing, where he has been hitting and missing, spin rates, etc. etc. etc.  Data gives batters the upper hand.

But again, listening to old timey pitchers, this isn't anything new.  Good ones would get guys out the first two times thru the lineup using two pitches, and not throw their third or fourth pitch until... wait for it... the third time thru the lineup.

Yeah, I know that sounds over simplified, but there are still some pitchers who are effective going late into ballgames.  There could be/should be more, if teams would coach 'em up to perform at that level.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/19/22, 02:40:39 PM
As far as pitching pertains to the Twins this analogy works........"you can't expect to win the Kentucky Derby with a plow horse."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/19/22, 03:58:47 PM
Starting to see trade rumors for Correa.

If they ain't goona (or can't) keep him next year, and since it's pretty obvious they really don't have the pitching to make a run (even if they baby these guys all season), they might as well trade Correa and get back something in return.

First place was fun while it lasted.  :surrender:

I hope I have to eat those words, but I don't think I will.  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/19/22, 08:38:04 PM
 :sleazy: hey dutchy.......ole china doll hot a homer in the all star game!!!!! :happy1: :happy1: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/19/22, 08:57:11 PM
Yes he did.
And Arraez struck out, go figure eh?  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/20/22, 06:48:13 AM
Arriez did end up with a hit my brother told me.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/20/22, 07:54:03 AM
Yeah, it was a good at bat.  The pitcher was throwing fastballs at 99-103 and off-speed stuff up to 30 MPH slower.

He had Arraez at 0-2, Arraez fought off a couple more heaters, waited for a breaking pitch, and send a line-drive rocket right at the 2nd baseman's head - who couldn't make the play.  Base hit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/25/22, 07:54:26 AM
A quality start from both Ryan & Gray to begin the 2nd half of the season.  :happy1: :cool: The bullpen struggled in game 1 but looked good yday. Hope they can keep the bats goin against the Brewers tomorrow, Bundy gets the ball for a 7:10 start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/25/22, 08:07:04 AM
Next game tomorrow. They must decide what to do with Sano by tomorrow. If they decide to put him on the 26 man roster, someone must be sent down to AAA. If they decide to send him down, he can demand his release unless he OK's it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/25/22, 08:18:44 AM
It was nice to see them let Sonny pitch through the batting order 3 times.  Maybe Baldelli is finally willing to start stretching these guys out a bit.  With a spotty bullpen and no definitive closer - if the Twins hope to make a run into the playoffs, several of the starters are going to need to catch lightening in a bottle.  They are going to need more than just "quality" starts from them.  They are going to need them to win games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/25/22, 02:02:13 PM
Heard talk that Ober could throw a bullpen session by the end of the week & Maeda may be able to start facing hitters again sometime next month. Talk was that Maeda would most likely come out of the bullpen to begin with. A couple more arms, probably not going to hurt anything.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/25/22, 07:06:14 PM
Maeda should be a reliever anyway. He would be if this team had a decent starting staff. When he was with the Dodgers he was a starter until it was nut cuttin time (play-offs) then they sent him to the pen.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/26/22, 07:17:08 AM
Just read Sano returns and Celestino sent down to St Paul.  That bites. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/26/22, 07:22:00 AM
Don't think they had much choice for now. Didn't want to pull another David Ortiz debacle.

Question is he is pretty much a first baseman. Where do they play the leading hitter in MLB Aerriez???
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/22, 07:58:32 AM
I'm no ball guy, but could they swap Sano and Arraez between 1st/designated hitter?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/22, 08:03:43 AM
Maeda should be a reliever anyway. He would be if this team had a decent starting staff. When he was with the Dodgers he was a starter until it was nut cuttin time (play-offs) then they sent him to the pen.
With their payroll, they have 8 guys making > $15 mil/yr, it's much easier for them to sign/keep those top starters & FA's. Those 8 guys make almost $20 mil > than the entire Twins 26-man roster. :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/22, 08:13:15 AM
I'm no ball guy, but could they swap Sano and Arraez between 1st/designated hitter?   :confused:
Buxton has been DH'ing a lot lately & Miranda/Kirilloff have been getting some time at 1st too. Personally, I like their D better than Sano's over there.  :scratch: Guess we'll find out soon. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/26/22, 02:11:31 PM
Celistino was only hitting .174 the last 32 games. Not getting the job done and Nick Gordon was out of options. So it had to be Celistino.

The 7 games Sano was in St Paul he was hitting .348 with 3 home runs. He is worth trying to see if he can keep it up. But he has to play first base or DH. With Arriez and Buxton also DHing and Kiriloff and Arreiz playing first base it will be a different lineup every night.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/30/22, 08:00:34 AM
Not good.....

Ryan gives up 10 runs with 5 home runs. Baldeli sits and watches. Must be saving the bullpen.

Sano the strikeout machine is back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/30/22, 07:50:08 PM
Well he didn't last long.....Sano back on the IR.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/31/22, 08:42:44 AM
i finally got to watch a Twins game!!! :happy1: they were on Fox, channel 9. AND they won!!!!!!!!! :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/31/22, 09:56:40 AM
See, you went in with a open mind and they won. Now if you would try that with your Cousin Kirk maybe things would go better for the Vikings.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/31/22, 09:59:12 AM
They will be best friends by the end of this next season.   :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/31/22, 10:18:13 AM
They will be best friends by the end of this next season.   :sleazy:

Maybe even "kissin" Cousins.    :kiss:   ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Cooperman on July 07/31/22, 10:26:55 AM
Glenn, here is a photo for your wallet.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/31/22, 10:31:47 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'm holding out on the kissin cousins! :rotflmao:

But I do have high hopes for dem Vikes this year!!! :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/01/22, 07:32:20 AM
Twins were 0-4 w/RISP yday & they were 2-7, that was the difference in the game. Correa hit a couple on the screws but they were right at someone. I see Ober has been moved to the 60 day IL now too. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/min/minnesota-twins :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/01/22, 08:46:31 AM
Anxious to see what happens at the trade deadline.

If they were hoping that Sano could be used as a bargaining chip, that's out the window.

I REALLY like Correa on this team, but at the start of the contract, most speculated that he'd only be here for the first year of his 3 year deal.  I would assume the Twins would listen if some team wanted Correa.  If only there was a way of knowing - behind the scenes - that he would commit for at least another year.

Obviously they need pitching help.  But this regime doesn't have a great track record of identifying good pitchers and getting the most out of them.  With so many wild card slots, trade prices will be high.  I kinda hope they don't mortgage the future to make a run this season.

In their minds, I think Falvey and Levine think they are "ahead of schedule" in their overall rebuilding plan, so I don't think they will make a big splash.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/01/22, 08:55:48 AM
There is no splash to be made. What pitcher thats available would take them over the top?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/01/22, 09:04:15 AM
I think you're right.

Listening to the radio heads, the speculation is they'd be in the market for one, maybe two relief pitchers.  And that ain't goona put them over the top.

They need contracts where they can control players for multiple years, not one-year rentals.

The best we can hope for is that they catch lightening-in-a-bottle again, stay relevant until the end of the season and then make their customary early exit in a playoff series with the Yankees.

P.S.  Anyone watching that ESPN series on Derek Jeter, "The Captain"?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/02/22, 08:02:34 AM
SD paid a hefty price for Hader :scratch:, it looks like they think this is their year to me. :rolleyes: Nice comeback last night, they desperately needed a good start to this homestand. They're starting to get pretty thin out in the outfield. Miranda carried 'em until Urshela walked 'em off. Same time tonight, Archer gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/02/22, 08:28:21 AM
If the Padres gave up 4 players to get Hader (including ex-Twin's closer Taylor Rogers) do they still have enough trade bait to stay in the race for Juan Soto?

Does the Hader deal makes the Dodgers the odds-on favorite to land Soto now?

Yeah, it was a nail biter last night.  I was bemoaning that ball-six-inches-off-the-plate strike call for the first out in the bottom of the eighth the rest of the game. 

Its easy to say that if Contreras would have got the walk, that we would have been up 3-2.  But I also think, that if Contreras walks, and Fulmer giving up 3 straight hits, Soto comes in one batter sooner to face Miranda.  If Miranda doesn't get that hit, we're still down 1-2.

All's well that ends well.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/02/22, 02:51:52 PM
Just seen where Soto & Bell are going to SD too, for 4 #1's or former #1 picks. Twins are working on closing a deal for the Orioles closer, Jorge Lopez. We're sending them 4 pitchers, only Cano has any MLB experience. Lopez doesn't become a FA until after the 2024 season. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/02/22, 04:01:49 PM
They picked up a starter and a closer today. Better than I thought they would do. They still need to explain why china doll can't play everyday. I'm hoping they can grab a catcher before the deadline also.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/02/22, 04:35:34 PM
So Gunner 3 of the 4 pitchers we are sending them are on the practice squad?  Is the guy we are getting any good?  Hope so.  We are getting another pitcher too you say Dutch?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/02/22, 05:09:54 PM
Lopez the closer from Baltimore.
Mahle the starter from the Reds.
Fulmer a reliever from the Tigers.

Going to be a new look bullpen. Don't know how good it will be but some guys will be gone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/02/22, 07:06:24 PM
Crazy.  Will Fulmer be dressed for the Twins tonight against his old team?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/02/22, 07:26:10 PM
Crazy.  Will Fulmer be dressed for the Twins tonight against his old team?

I assume so, all he needed to do was walk across the field.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/03/22, 05:22:53 AM
So Gunner 3 of the 4 pitchers we are sending them are on the practice squad?  Is the guy we are getting any good?  Hope so.  We are getting another pitcher too you say Dutch?
A little more on that trade https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34334080/sources-minnesota-twins-finalizing-deal-baltimore-orioles-closer-jorge-lopez
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/03/22, 06:15:27 AM
Some tough luck pitching by Jax last night. A BB, 2 infield hits, 2 singles, & he gives up 3 runs to get the L. He's been our most consistent reliever most of the season IMO too. :rolleyes: Twins had their chances, 0-8 w/RISP. That loses in MLB at least 90% of the time. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/03/22, 08:02:38 AM
They picked up a starter and a closer today. Better than I thought they would do. They still need to explain why china doll can't play everyday. I'm hoping they can grab a catcher before the deadline also.

Twins add catcher depth in trade with Cleveland (https://kstp.com/minnesota-sports/twins-add-catcher-depth-in-trade-with-cleveland/#:~:text=In%20a%20trade%20with%20the,played%20just%20eight%20this%20year.)

In a trade with the division rival Cleveland Guardians, the Twins acquired catcher Sandy Leon.

Leon has played parts of the past 11 seasons in the majors, including stops in Washington, Boston, Miami and Cleveland. He’s got more than 500 games of MLB experience but has played just eight this year.


The twins did it all.  They added 1 starter, 2 relievers (including an apparent closer), and a backup catcher.  AND they didn't trade anything away from their Major League roster.  Who'd a thunk?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/03/22, 05:56:02 PM
 :happy1: He had a really nice game, going 2 for 3 & driving in the 1st 2 runs, today too. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/05/22, 12:55:46 PM
Twins got "Bad" Pagan last night.  And Megill and Duffy didn't seem to get the message either, that adding two new reliever was supposed to light a fire under everyone's  :moon:.  But Toronto is a good team and you can't win 'em all.

New starter, Tyler Mahle, tonight!  Let's see what happens.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/05/22, 02:26:58 PM
Gray wasn't his sharpest either, barely throwing 50% strikes(50/96), but he managed to make a pitch when he needed. He only gave up 1 hit & no runs in his 5 innings of work. The Blue Jays have been 1 of the hottest teams in MLB for the last 2 weeks or so, I'd love to see them even just split the series with 'em. Best thing about last night's game is that it was their 1st sellout in a while. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/05/22, 08:08:18 PM
Gray wasn't his sharpest either, barely throwing 50% strikes(50/96), but he managed to make a pitch when he needed. He only gave up 1 hit & no runs in his 5 innings of work. The Blue Jays have been 1 of the hottest teams in MLB for the last 2 weeks or so, I'd love to see them even just split the series with 'em. Best thing about last night's game is that it was their 1st sellout in a while. :cool:

The sellout had more to do with the concert afterwards than watching the Twins get knocked around like a Piñata again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/05/22, 08:30:53 PM
We stopped down at Winners for a couple beers and a bite to eat and one of the gals bartending said she was at the game.... For the concert. Not sure who the band was however. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/06/22, 07:32:16 AM
Not really a country music guy here db, so I guess it's easy for me to forget about a guy, Cole Swindell :huh:, I've never heard of before. :rolleyes: Nice win last night, Gordon had a 3 run HR as well as scoring the game winner. Mahle looked good in his 1st Twins start as well but Rocco almost left him in for a couple batters too many. A lot of loud Blue Jay fans in another nice crowd of 29,563. Gametime tonight is 6:10
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/06/22, 09:23:30 AM
I just read that the Twins waived Duffy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/07/22, 08:54:11 AM
 Looks like they made quite a few moves to the pitching staff. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/transactions/_/name/min/minnesota-twins. Good to see Arraez get his bat going again with 3 hits. Polanco, Miranda, & Gorden all had 2 knocks a pc too. The 2 runs in the 8th were really nice to see. I'm not sure what game LPS was watching last night :scratch: but I didn't see any sign of Duffy :confused: & the boxscore says the same thing. ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/07/22, 09:01:25 AM
Looks like they made quite a few moves to the pitching staff. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/transactions/_/name/min/minnesota-twins. Good to see Arraez get his bat going again with 3 hits. Polanco, Miranda, & Gorden all had 2 knocks a pc too. The 2 runs in the 8th were really nice to see. I'm not sure what game LPS was watching last night :scratch: but I didn't see any sign of Duffy :confused: & the boxscore says the same thing. ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
maybe LPS had to much firewater!!!!!!!!! :scratch: :sleazy: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/07/22, 09:08:31 AM
It was flowing.  Maybe that was a replay that we watched last night.  LOL  Was with the Blue Jays.  ????  Just saw the last couple of innings.  We won.   ???
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/07/22, 09:10:15 AM
We were in and out.  Mayhaps it was replays of him for a minute.  ???
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/07/22, 09:11:51 AM
OH the wife figured it out for me.  I was getting Duffy and Bundy mixed up. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/07/22, 09:18:23 AM
OH the wife figured it out for me.  I was getting Duffy and Bundy mixed up.
:pouty: at least your wife like sports at least a little. my wife wouldn't know the difference between Duffey or Alan Page!!!!!! :surrender: :pouty: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/07/22, 09:24:29 AM
Alan Page is a judge in Murderopolis and Duffy will be pitching for the Meisville Mudhens next year.

I know my sports.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/07/22, 09:25:18 AM
Alan Page is a judge in Murderopolis and Duffy will be pitching for the Meisville Mudhens next year.

I know my sports.  :coffee:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:

i think page retired....did he not!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/07/22, 09:29:24 AM
Ya she is pretty sharp.  She is a real Vikings fan too.  Fun to watch Vikes games with her too.  She knows the Twins pretty good too.  Used to listen to Twins games on the radio with her Dad when he was still with us. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/07/22, 12:29:56 PM
OH the wife figured it out for me.  I was getting Duffy and Bundy mixed up. 
:scratch: Bundy the relative of glenn's hero Al  :rolleyes: :smiley:, confused with Tyler DuffY?? :crazy: :doah:     ;) :laugh: :laugh:             
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/07/22, 12:35:46 PM
OH the wife figured it out for me.  I was getting Duffy and Bundy mixed up. 
:scratch: Bundy the relative of glenn's hero Al  :rolleyes: :smiley:, confused with Tyler DuffY?? :crazy: :doah:     ;) :laugh: :laugh:             
HEY.... :tut: :tut: don't be dissing my hero favorite TV dad!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/07/22, 07:36:25 PM
Ya that is what she said.  You mean Al?  LOL
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/09/22, 08:43:41 AM
Rocco was pretty PO'ed when they changed that call at home plate in the last game against the Blue Jays. Personally, when I 1st seen it I thought it was interference too but that is hardly ever called these days. :confused: Late game out in Disneyland tonight, 9:10 our time, Ryan gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/10/22, 09:52:58 AM
i see where the Twinkies got spanked, slapped around by the Dodgers yesterday!!!!! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/10/22, 12:37:13 PM
They have fallen into a tie with Cleveland. Another bad outing for Ryan.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/10/22, 03:21:34 PM
Darn!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/10/22, 03:44:53 PM
We all sort of knew this was coming.

Our three newly acquired pitchers can't pitch every inning.  At some point the hope was that adding more talent would lift the performance of the other pitchers.  So far that hasn't happened.
 :pouty:

But the Dodgers have got a great lineup.  Let's survive this series and see if the Twins can find a winning streak somewhere to keep it close.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/10/22, 04:14:49 PM
Lets not make these guys (new pitchers) out to be saviors. Mahle still isn't the best starter we have, Lopez has been closing for less than a year after being sub-par as a starter & the kid from Detroit I suspect is a head case after getting pounded all those years in Detroit.

Twins are a mediocre team in a bad division. They can win it but it won't be because they out pitched anybody. The bats will have to bludgeon their way to the top and to this point they haven't shown that ability.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/18/22, 06:11:12 PM
FWIW, Jim Kaat is doing his final game in the booth tonight, he's only 84. :rolleyes: He's doing the Blue Jays/NYY game on MLB network, if anybody's interested. I'm a fan, so I'll be watching!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/18/22, 06:18:09 PM
I also have the game on. Rare chance to see the Yankees play.   :rotflmao:

Kaat is a all time great. He was one of the guys I grew up with when he was a Twin. With Rocco only allowing guys to throw 50-70 pitches he should give Kitty a call. He can do as well as some of the guys they've run out there the last few years.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/18/22, 07:06:12 PM
i thought i recognized his voice............ :scratch: watching a former twin implode........Berrios!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/22, 07:34:50 AM
i thought i recognized his voice............ :scratch: watching a former twin implode........Berrios!!!!!!!!!
:scratch: He went 6 2/3 giving up 6 hits but only the 2 runs in the 3rd inning to get the win. :confused: That's much better than he has been doing lately & he's struggled even worse in Yankee Stadium since he went to the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/19/22, 08:25:42 AM
I missed your message and I missed the Yanks/Jays game AND Kaat's last broadcast.   :pouty:

Yes, Kaat is one of the all time greats - on the field and in the booth.  I love listening to old school pitchers and stories about them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/19/22, 08:27:14 AM
i thought i recognized his voice............ :scratch: watching a former twin implode........Berrios!!!!!!!!!
:scratch: He went 6 2/3 giving up 6 hits but only the 2 runs in the 3rd inning to get the win. :confused: That's much better than he has been doing lately & he's struggled even worse in Yankee Stadium since he went to the Blue Jays.
i typed that in the inning he gave up the 2 runs then had the throwing error to first........then swutched to the football game, so i have no clue how he did the rest of the game!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/22, 12:34:38 PM
Figured that :rolleyes:, so................................... thought I'd fill you in. ;) :smiley: Not much for preseason football here this season yet................  not sure why. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/19/22, 04:25:05 PM
Should be a interesting series with Texas. Much like the Twins they can't pitch a lick but do have some boys that can crush a baseball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/22, 08:36:16 PM
A BIG improvement with W/RISP especially with 2 out against KC. Ryan & Gray had good outings too & that helps Rocco juggled his bullpen a little more. Need to keep it up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/19/22, 08:46:34 PM
Why is Bally showing a week old Vikings football game instead of the Twins?

 :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/19/22, 08:48:25 PM
For some reason unknown to me... the game is on Apple TV tonight.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/22, 09:09:17 PM
 :scratch: Both Bremer & Morneau talked about what they were going to do with their 2 days off a few times during Wednesday's game, didn't know it was on Apple TV though. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/19/22, 09:13:19 PM
They kept referring to it as another media outlet, but wouldnt say what it was.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/20/22, 08:18:43 AM
 :scratch: So much for your slugfest db! :doah: Twins only have 5 hits but win 2-1 on Arraez & Miranda's 1st inning back-to-back HRs. Rangers only had 4 hits & Kepler had a big assist in the 9th that helped Lopez get work around 2 walks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/22/22, 12:27:10 PM
Gettin' hard to watch again with the bats going quiet.  Ongoing lack of pitching is putting too much pressure on the offense and the boys are pressing.

Adding the new pitchers helped, but the Twins still have way to many "mop up" guys in the bullpen to be a serious contenders.

Still looking to catch lightning in a bottle.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/23/22, 11:56:39 AM
Buxton got beat up pretty bad last night, left the game, had an MRI, and is now day-to-day.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/23/22, 04:08:29 PM
Thing is having played a 120 games already it's hard to miss a guy who is hitting .222 with 51 rbi.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/24/22, 07:19:36 AM
 But their record is a lot better when he's in the starting lineup. :scratch: I haven't seen the stats in a while but the last time I did they were 10 or so games over .500 with him starting & with him out, it was more like 5 or so games under.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/24/22, 07:32:29 AM
He is also 9-61 with runners in scoring position.

If we had the Buxton who wanted to hit the ball and run the Twins would be far better off than having the Buxton who wants to hit homeruns and strikeout.

You can rip guys like Pagan but the fact is if Buxton is hitting .300 and paying everyday we don't notice how bad Pagan has been. Add in the Correa bad year and Polanco stinking and you have a bad year where the starters have been pretty good.

Astro's, Yankees, Giants, Cleveland, White Sox. Twins are toast.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/24/22, 10:09:17 AM
Correa has been disappointing. Not worth $35 million. He won't be back. IF they can get Lewis healthy next year. Correa is hitting about 40 points below his career average. Great defense though.

Right now they have lost 4 in a row.....no offense.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/24/22, 10:48:44 AM
I think the entire league batting average is down, not just Correa, and I'm sure he'd tell you he ain't happy with is offensive performance either.

I still want one more year of Correa - even with Lewis coming back.

Today's bigger/stronger/faster athletes just get hurt more often and you need all the talent you can get on your roster - even if you have to overpay for some of it.

Maybe Baldeli needs to write something on the clubhouse blackboard - like Moliter did when he was managing:  "No retreat!  No surrender!"   :scratch:

Something needs to get these guys fired up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/25/22, 07:42:59 AM
According to the latest MLB stats the Twins are ranked #11 in team BA (.248) & # 12 on defense with a .986 FP. But they are 19th in pitching with a team ERA of 3.95. KC & the Cubs are in the middle (#15 & #16) with the bats & they're both hitting .241 as a team. Those #'s have been surprisingly consistent all season but where they rank amongst all the other teams has changed quite a bit. Before the ASG they were in the top 5 or 6 for BA as well as FP most of the time & usually ~ #10 in ERA. :scratch: :confused: https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/25/22, 10:03:56 AM
Twins slowly sinking into the team we thought there are. 500 at best. 4 games back of Cleveland. 5 loses in a row. :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/25/22, 12:19:43 PM
 :oops1: I forgot :doah:, those early season rankings were just for the AL, not all of MLB. Just looked & they're rankings now are still about the same as they were early in the season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/25/22, 04:08:28 PM
While Arreaz is still leading the league his average has dropped about 50 points since late June. Polanco never got going. Kepler stinks again this year, they have no catcher, their 3rd baseman is hitting what he should hit, Miranda has surprised me, Correa can catch anything and his batting average is ok but he is getting no rbi or HR's. Cave should be in St. Paul, Beckham should be released, and china doll.......I'm at a loss for words. That leaves Gordon who can hit a little but Rocco won't let him run. Celestino on a good team is in St. Paul.

Pitching has been good over-all from what I expected. I'm no fan of Roccos batting orders, he protects Correa with Buxton who is a strikeout machine.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/25/22, 05:09:33 PM
You are right......makes for a 3rd place team in the Central behind Cleveland and Chicago.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/25/22, 05:14:18 PM
3rd would be about right except I can't root for the White Sux at any time. If they lost every game the rest of the season Dutch would be dancin' in International Falls.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/27/22, 08:09:21 AM
 :scratch: Don't worry db, their defense is not good, last in the AL & 3rd worst in all of MLB. They lost in 11 to the O's on Thursday after they committed their 3rd error of the game. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/29/22, 07:51:22 AM
Good to see Correa, Cave, & Kepler getting their bats going. :happy1: A few others showing signs too, a lot of the big hits went to the opposite field in the last series. :cool: BoSox come to Target Field for 3 starting tonight, 6:40 1st pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/29/22, 08:51:44 AM
The deficit is down to 2 games.  Hitting is contagious.  Lets see if they can make a race of this.

Arraez is still making good contact, it's just that he is hitting balls at people.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/29/22, 01:07:16 PM
 :happy1: So many of his hits go to left field that everybody is changing how they pitch to him. Now they're all trying to keep it up & in & that makes going to LF pretty tough. I agree Steve-o, he's made some adjustments to his swing & is now getting the barrel on it quite a bit, usually it's right at someone though. Really glad to have Smeltzer back too, hard to have too many lefties. He will take some pressure off Thielbar along with his ability to do some long relief & he might even take a turn or 2 in the rotation, if needed. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/29/22, 03:59:31 PM
I would think Arreaz is getting tired also. It's his first full year playing every day and he isn't a big guy to start with.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/30/22, 07:39:27 AM
 :scratch: I think Rocco tried to give him a couple days off in the last couple of weeks, but he actually got in 1 of those games late. Might've even been the game Polanco got dinged & left early. It was good to see him get a couple to fall in for hits last night. :happy1: That 2 out 2B to RF by Urshela was huge too. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/31/22, 07:21:42 AM
 Pretty :cool: how they set up Gordon to get the curtain call the next inning after his grand slam. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/31/22, 07:56:04 AM
Darn right.  That was pretty cool!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/31/22, 08:15:56 AM
I saw in the pregame that Jhoan Duran is the first pitcher ever to throw a 100+ MPH "off speed" pitch. 

Don't ask me how/why 100.8 MPH qualifies as "off speed" but it must have something to do with the grip, the movement, and the fact that it was 3 mph slower than his fast ball.
 :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/05/22, 08:11:11 AM
Some clutch hitting by Correa & Miranda yday  :happy1: :cool:, so back tied for the division today. Fulmer struggled but everyone else pitched well. NYY today @ noon.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/05/22, 08:19:45 AM
Yanks are scuffling to win. If the Twinks were to sweep them somebody in New York would get fired. On the other hand they could sweep the Twinks and everything would be roses again.

Taking the bike towards Ely today so I need to find a radio station that carries the game to listen to on the way back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/06/22, 08:31:54 AM
Archer, Megill, & Pagan all hung 1 slider each & they didn't miss it. Twins have been missing those same pitches & hitting into double plays instead a lot lately. :pouty: It's a 6:00 game tonight & Ryan gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/07/22, 08:36:16 AM
Double header today.  It will be a tough test against a team that "has the Twins' number," which might be the biggest understatement in the history of modern day baseball.

And we dropped another 1/2 game to the Guardians (1.5 back).  If they aren't careful, they are going to need a sweep against the Guardians this weekend just to pull close - with no chance of pulling ahead.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/07/22, 06:23:03 PM
Twins blow another one. Way to many chances blown. Runner thrown out at the plate. Bullpen gives up tying runs, then winning runs in the 12th. Really tough to watch. I might just skip the second one and watch a good movie. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/07/22, 06:32:51 PM
when I left HH they were up and now I see this...  good lord!! 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/08/22, 07:18:08 AM
That 3rd base coach sending Celestino home and he didn't have a chance to get there.  That may have cost us the game.  I watched a little of the second game and switched channels.  The bright spot was how good that new kid they brought  up from the minors did pitching.  Was great to see him smiling when the guys congratulated him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/08/22, 08:33:48 AM
 :scratch: I not totally sure that was the 3rd base coaches fault. :confused: Celestino got a late jumped like he didn't see the ball when it came off the bat & there was nobody out, so he really didn't have to go. I would have to see the play again, but I would like to think the coach was trying to hold him up & that's the way Perkins sounded too. The Twins had 4 errors from the 8th inning on & you can't give good teams that many extra outs & expect to win. :sad:  I agree though, that play was a game changer.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/08/22, 09:01:58 AM
I was listening to the radio and Gladden and Provis put that one squarely on the 3rd base coach's indecision (send 'em, hold 'em, wait, no...) and him finally waving Celestino thru.

Two back, tied with the Whities.  Shaping up to be a tense weekend. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/08/22, 01:45:27 PM
 :scratch: I'm curious to hear what, if, they have anything to say on that play during today's game. It's a 6:00 game & Gray gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/08/22, 02:56:42 PM
They might talk about it in the pre-game, but I don't think it will come up in either the TV or Radio Broadcast unless the Twins make another base running blunder.  Lemme know what they say.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/08/22, 03:20:55 PM
This weekend's series with Cleveland will tell a lot.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/08/22, 04:19:32 PM
Yep.  Could be in a tie for 1st.  Could be 6 games back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/08/22, 04:51:12 PM
Once they get Larnach & Kirilloff back thats the last you will ever see of Celestino.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/09/22, 07:59:26 AM
What a game they played last night.  Good win!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/09/22, 08:04:43 AM
Once they get Larnach & Kirilloff back thats the last you will ever see of Celestino.
:scratch: Larnach went on the 60-day IL on 9/1 & for Kirilloff it was 8/23, so I don't think either of them will see much more action this season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/09/22, 08:06:41 AM
They might talk about it in the pre-game, but I don't think it will come up in either the TV or Radio Broadcast unless the Twins make another base running blunder.  Lemme know what they say.
You were right, only mention of it that I heard was during the pre-game & there was no mention of who was at fault.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/09/22, 08:20:25 AM
Interesting discussion last night about possible rule changes for next year. Rules committee meets today.

2 infielders on each side of 2nd base
Infielders must have 1 foot on the dirt.
Time clock on pitchers....15 seconds with no one on base. 20 seconds with runners on
Batter can call only 1 time out and step out of box.
Mechanical strike zone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/09/22, 08:20:47 AM
What a game they played last night.  Good win!
:happy1: :cool: Good job by Thielbar to get out of the 8th inning but I thought Fulmer was going to walk in the tying run. :crazy: Good play by Miranda to get to the bag on the last out too. Lopez pitched pretty good IMO too, but he wasn't getting ANY calls.:doah: Bundy @ 7:10 tonight.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/09/22, 08:51:37 AM
What a game they played last night.  Good win!
:happy1: :cool: Good job by Thielbar to get out of the 8th inning but I thought Fulmer was going to walk in the tying run. :crazy: Good play by Miranda to get to the bag on the last out too. Lopez pitched pretty good IMO too, but he wasn't getting ANY calls.:doah: Bundy @ 7:10 tonight.

Lopez got screwed, but Thielbar and Fulmer were given a couple of gifts.  Ump was all over the place.

The Twins looked like they were trying to give it away, but they hung tough. 

Only 1.5 back from the "Team Formerly Know as the Tribe" with 3 to play at home.  Lets go!   :taz: training-087 :dancinred:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/09/22, 11:57:46 AM
Interesting discussion last night about possible rule changes for next year. Rules committee meets today.

2 infielders on each side of 2nd base
Infielders must have 1 foot on the dirt.
Time clock on pitchers....15 seconds with no one on base. 20 seconds with runners on
Batter can call only 1 time out and step out of box.
Mechanical strike zone.

I like all of this 'cept maybe the dirt rule.  Don't different parks have different infield grass/dirt configurations?   :confused:

Heard the guys on the broadcast talking about mechanical strike zone the other day.  They were envisioning a system where the ump would still make the calls real-time, but there could be challenges.  They figured the umps union wouldn't want their guys behind the plate in harms way of getting hit by pitches just to make calls at the plate and listen for foul tips and hit batters.

I think I like the idea.  And I am anxious to see if the umpire calls get better after they implement something like that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/09/22, 12:27:37 PM
Exclusive coverage on Apple TV + :rolleyes:, no BSNOR tonight!  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/09/22, 01:13:56 PM
 :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/09/22, 01:53:21 PM
Exclusive coverage on Apple TV + :rolleyes:, no BSNOR tonight!  :pouty:

The Twins game is on Apple TV?  What is BSNOR
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/09/22, 02:08:42 PM
Bally Sports North (local cable)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/09/22, 02:13:32 PM
Once they get Larnach & Kirilloff back thats the last you will ever see of Celestino.
:scratch: Larnach went on the 60-day IL on 9/1 & for Kirilloff it was 8/23, so I don't think either of them will see much more action this season.

I didn't necessarily mean this year. He is another Jake Cave without the instincts Cave has.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/09/22, 05:57:03 PM
Committee passed new rules today for next year....Didn't see anything about an electronic strike caller.

Two infielders will be required to be on either side of second and all infielders to be within the outer boundary of the infield when the pitcher is on the rubber. Infielders may not switch sides unless there is a substitution, but five-man infields will still be allowed.

The pitch clock will be set at 15 seconds with no runners on base and 20 seconds with runners.

There will be a limit of two of what MLB calls disengagements — pickoff attempts or steps off the rubber — per plate appearance, and a balk would be called for a third or more unless there is an out.

A catcher is required to be in the catcher's box with nine seconds left on the clock and a hitter in the batter's box and focused on the pitcher with eight seconds remaining.

A batter can ask an umpire for time once per plate appearance.

Base size will increase to 18-inch squares from 15.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/09/22, 06:04:02 PM
Just additional stuff to change a game that wasn't broken. What was broken is the greed among owners, players, media. They are the ones that ruined the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/10/22, 08:17:31 AM
 Down big early but came back late, to end up losing 7-6. Correa, Miranda, & Urshela did most of the damage at the plate. It says 6:15 for tonight's game & looks like it's on Fox.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/10/22, 06:17:48 PM
Only 2 pick off attempts?  That ought to favor base stealers.

No defensive shift and a  bigger bat, that should also help offense.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/10/22, 09:26:09 PM
They mailed it in tonight. Hopefully Cleveland can complete the sweep and put a end to this edition of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on September 09/10/22, 09:55:23 PM
I’m kinda impressed with Miranda.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/11/22, 06:53:21 AM
They need a Major League training staff that knows how to keep guys healthy and in the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/11/22, 08:09:08 AM
 :scratch: If Archer goes on the IL they will have the most players out of any team but it's NOT ONLY the Twins as every team has had an unusually high # of injuries this year. :doah: Heard more than 1 blame it on the lockout & shortened Spring Training. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/11/22, 08:20:52 AM
Bringing in rookie Cole Sands was a disaster. He walked 5 guys and hit 2. 2 of them with the bases loaded. Bad decision by Baldelli.
:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/11/22, 11:33:31 AM
:scratch: If Archer goes on the IL they will have the most players out of any team but it's NOT ONLY the Twins as every team has had an unusually high # of injuries this year. :doah: Heard more than 1 blame it on the lockout & shortened Spring Training. :confused:

Maybe.  I still think "bigger, stronger, faster" plays a big role i injuries.  Every play is 100% max effort.

Everyone hails defensers who crash into walls and dive into the seats to make catches, but all that contact takes a toll.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/12/22, 08:28:43 AM
4.5 back and dropping like a rock.

With so many Twins on the injured list, you could say the Guards put a more talented team on the field last weekend, but I'm not buying it.

The Twins gave up early leads in all three games by pitchers who were supposed to perform better than they did.

I'd say the the Guardians "wanted it" more than the Twins did.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/12/22, 08:31:01 AM
:scratch: If Archer goes on the IL they will have the most players out of any team but it's NOT ONLY the Twins as every team has had an unusually high # of injuries this year. :doah: Heard more than 1 blame it on the lockout & shortened Spring Training. :confused:

Maybe.  I still think "bigger, stronger, faster" plays a big role i injuries.  Every play is 100% max effort.

Everyone hails defensers who crash into walls and dive into the seats to make catches, but all that contact takes a toll.
Oh, I agree Steve-o & that's why some of the most successful players of our generation, MJ & TB12 come to mind, have gotten away from lifting a lot of weight & bulking up IMO too. Instead, they got more into cardio & stretching while closely watching what they eat.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/13/22, 04:10:29 PM
5 games behind Cleveland now.

Up next:  3 games with KC followed by 5 games at Cleveland.

None of this one-game-at-a-time  :bs:. 

If these lad's want a chance at winning the division, they'd better figure out a way to win 7 of the next 8 games. :popcorn:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/13/22, 05:26:21 PM
They are under .500 for the first time since April. Just aren't the same team as since then.  :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/13/22, 06:13:27 PM
Yep, time for Baldeli to write something inspirational on the blackboard before the game...

("No retreat.  No surrender." has already been taken.)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/13/22, 06:49:48 PM
They are under .500 for the first time since April. Just aren't the same team as since then.  :pouty: :pouty:


They might be the same but Cleveland and the White Sux are playing like the game matters.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/14/22, 09:10:34 AM
Ryan did not look like he was happy about being pulled after 7 to lose his shot at a no hitter.

Moran made it interesting (for KC fans) in the 9th giving up 3 runs with two men still on base when the final out was made.

Teams that play "not-to-lose" are seldom champions.

But to Baldeli's credit, they are looking at a stretch of 8 games in 7 days with 5 against Cleveland. 

Hopefully, not allowing Ryan to throw 120+ pitches last night will help him recover for his start against Cleveland.  And allowing Moran to pitch 2 innings with a 6 run lead will keep the other bullpen pitchers fresher.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/16/22, 08:00:19 AM
They did what they needed to do against KC, but anything less than 4 out of the next 5 against the Guardians will mean lights out for Your Minnesota Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/16/22, 08:08:48 AM
 :scratch: They have 2 guys coming off the IL, Ober & Winder, scheduled to start the 1st 2 games so I hope they have good outings, or the bullpen will be shot before they even play the 2nd game of Saturday's doubleheader. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/16/22, 09:16:50 AM
:scratch: They have 2 guys coming off the IL, Ober & Winder, scheduled to start the 1st 2 games so I hope they have good outings, or the bullpen will be shot before they even play the 2nd game of Saturday's doubleheader. :rolleyes:

I suspect the Baldelli led bullpen is already running on fumes and has been for the last 2 1/2 months.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dakids on September 09/16/22, 07:19:35 PM
Took the wife to the game last night.  Great night to watch a game.  Best part was the tickets were FREE.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/16/22, 07:27:26 PM
That is great DK!!!   Have fun. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/16/22, 07:29:40 PM
you both look very happy!!!    and I'll bet it was fun!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: birdswacker on September 09/17/22, 04:26:37 PM
The rookie that started today Matt Wallner deserves a standing ovation!
My son played baseball with him in HS!
I’ve known him since he was about 10 years old the kid is a class act
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/17/22, 04:41:22 PM
Congrats to him for making it to the big leagues AND hitting his first hr today. Well done young man.   :bow:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/19/22, 11:50:08 AM
6 games back (7 if you factor in that Cleveland holds the tie breaker against us) and only one game against the Guardians (today).

16 games to go.

If Cleveland plays .500 ball the rest of the way, the Twins would need to win 15 of 16 to win the division.  (Those numbers might not be exact, but I think they are close.)

It was a good run with lots of bright spots on the team this year.  It was a fun summer and more hope again for next year as they'll get a lot of guys back.

I sure hope Correa sees it the same way and gives the Twins one more year.

If they could just figure out how to keep Buxton healthy for an entire year.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/19/22, 04:15:29 PM
Bright spots for me....

Starting pitching. With the exception of Archer it was fine.
Bullpen prior to July when Baldelli had already burned them up.
Miranda
Gordon
Lewis
Urshala
First 1/2 Arreaz

Bad spots

Kepler all year
Catching all year
Pegan
Archer
Baldelli
Polanco

What I expected

Correa
Sano
Celestino
2nd 1/2 Arreaz
Front office. 6 years and they haven't shown me much other than they can hype a farm system.


As Denny Green would say.......they are who we thought they are.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/19/22, 04:27:33 PM
I agree with everythig you are saying.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/19/22, 05:39:54 PM
I didn't expect anything from Sano either.  In fact, it was probably for the best he wasn't hogging a place in the lineup.  It gave younger players a chance to play more frequently.

Baldeli sure did "baby" Archer.  Don't know if he is under control next year, but with a full off-season, let's see if they can help him take the next step.

I'll also be looking forward to see if Arreaz can make the adjustment next year.  Seems the league figured him out the second half of the season and everything he hit went right to a defensive player.

Yes, they are who we thought they were, but the sure made it interesting - and with a lot of 2nd and 3rd stringers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/19/22, 05:45:05 PM
Archer will be gone next year. Maeda & Ober will be ready to go.

The 2 players on each side of second rule should help guys like Arreaz & Kepler.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/20/22, 08:06:22 AM
During 1 of the last couple game, I heard Bremer say that they've used the most starting pitchers of anybody in MLB this year, 33. He also added that they have had 84 different players on the roster so far this season. Really like what I've seen out of Duran this season, hope he stays healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/20/22, 05:13:10 PM
I believe the # is 37 pitchers now. Ober and Duran were decent, the rest of the stuff the front office hyped so hard last year in the minors aren't ready.

Be very interesting to see what the off season brings. I believe the time is running out on Rocco & Levine. I think Falvey would jump ship if another job came along.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/22, 06:33:51 PM
Disappointing season after great start. To many injuries. 6 games under .500 Oh well. :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:

Arrease wins batting title. He is now among elite Twins company from the past.
 :happy1: :happy1: :happy1: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on October 10/05/22, 06:48:46 PM
Congrats to him! Just wait til next year, management is putting up a bigger scoreboard and more uniforms for the boys, money well spent!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on October 10/05/22, 07:16:55 PM
Congrats to him! Just wait til next year, management is putting up a bigger scoreboard and more uniforms for the boys, money well spent!

oh boy!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/06/22, 07:39:29 AM
First up for next year. What to do with Cabrera? Is he worth 35 million a year. Can that money be better spent towards starting pitching. Some good ace pitchers up for free agency.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/22, 08:25:21 AM
That's a great question.  I sure like Correa's leadership on the field - and with so many players getting hurt (on all teams, not just the Twins), you can never have enough quality in fielders.

Don't know if the Twins would be able to trade Correa at that price.  I know Correa has an opt-out clause, but I don't think the Twins do.

The Twins should have some starting pitching returning from injury for next season, and they may be tempted to see what they got next year (that is... what they should have had this year).
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/06/22, 09:52:00 AM
It will come down to.....are the Twins willing to make a long term commitment or if he should start seeing other people (aka opt-out to free agency.)

I'm guessing he would want something like 10 years at $325 million. That's a heck of a lot. A lot more than they signed Buxton to last year.....$100 million for 7 years. I doubt he will be willing to sign on the extension for another year.

Will Royce Lewis be ready to play shortstop next year?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/22, 11:21:31 AM
I'd be surprised if the Twins were willing to give Correa a long term deal - especially with Lewis waiting in the wings.

I guess it all depends on whether or not Correa wants to go to free agency this year or next year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/06/22, 05:19:37 PM
Interesting comment from a reporter about Bally Sports North and the way they announced the Twins games.....

"Television viewers are treated like chum by the sharks at Bally Sports North whose merciless hunt for revenue makes Old Man Potter look like Mother Teresa. It is exhausting chasing Twins telecasts across costlier cable, satellite and streaming platforms only to be insulted once they get there."

"Fans are treated like chumps by announcers conditioned to sanitize what we can see, hear and read with our own eyes. It’s intellectually dishonest to bury the hard realities of this epic collapse under transparent silver linings and relentless happy talk."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/22, 08:30:22 PM
I'd be surprised if the Twins were willing to give Correa a long term deal - especially with Lewis waiting in the wings.

I guess it all depends on whether or not Correa wants to go to free agency this year or next year.
:scratch: Seen a recent BSN interview that he pretty much said he'd like to stay, at least for 2023, but he hadn't heard much from management so........................ :confused: I believe there'll be at least 2 or 3 other top level SS going FA next year too & that may play into it too. Personally, I'd like to see him come back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/07/22, 07:50:57 AM
 :scratch: Looks like he wants a long-term deal though. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/carlos-correa-wants-to-remain-with-twins-but-there-s-a-catch/ar-AA12FWVa?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvi
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/07/22, 08:30:38 AM
3 years $100M isn't "long term" enough for some people. 

He's looking for a raise AND a long term deal after an offensive down year?   :confused:

g'luck.

P.S.  Ask the Cardinals how that long term deal for Albert Pujols worked out.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/08/22, 06:06:41 AM
 :scratch: He finished the season with a .291 batting average & his career average is .279, so he had a good season IMO. His other stats are very close to his career averages as well. https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/32653/carlos-corre I can't fault him for wanting to get paid what the current market rate is either. But I'm not sure the Twins can compete with the big market clubs with a long-term deal either. Bogaerts, Turner, & Swanson are all young & going to be FA shortstops this year.  IMO at least 1 of them will sign a huge, at least $300 - $400 mil/7-10-year deal. I don't see the Twins as wanting to do that. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/08/22, 04:35:07 PM
3 years $100M isn't "long term" enough for some people. 

He's looking for a raise AND a long term deal after an offensive down year?   :confused:

g'luck.

P.S.  Ask the Cardinals how that long term deal for Albert Pujols worked out. :embarrassed:

I have no idea what your point is. Pujols went to the Angels, the Cardinals declined to over-pay for him. You can say not signing Pujols lead to Goldschmidt & Arenado. Plus they bring Albert back on a cheap one years deal and he proceeds to pass 700 homeruns. I don't think things could have worked out any better for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/08/22, 10:39:22 AM
 :scratch: db will be happy ..... https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/after-13-years-sano-e2-80-99s-time-with-the-twins-organization-ends/ar-AA13Q8Yd ........at least for a little while. ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh: No way, he's worth $14 mil for 1 more :thumbs:, kind of curious to see what he signs for & who with.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/08/22, 10:54:25 AM
Twins also cut Bundy and Archer. Going to need a new pitching staff. Should have enough money with not paying those 2 and $35 million to Correa.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/08/22, 11:17:56 AM
The Bundy & Archer contracts were cheap by todays standards. My guess is they  both move on rather than sign back here for less yet. Sano? He would make a great DH in Philly with the short porch. He could bat 8th, hit .220 with 30 bombs and strike out 200 times.

It still amazes me to this day how long people thought he was the answer.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/08/22, 03:14:02 PM
Maeda, Ober, & Winder will all get a shot at a spot in the rotation IMO. Maeda's coming off TJ surgery though so I wouldn't be surprised to see 'em sign at least 1 FA starter too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/08/22, 05:52:59 PM
At one time Buxton was number 2 and Sano number 3 in all of minor league baseball. Twins fans thought here we go. Wouldn't be surprised if he signs somewhere and winds up being another David Ortiz. Wouldn't that be the sh*ts.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on November 11/08/22, 06:18:57 PM
At one time Buxton was number 2 and Sano number 3 in all of minor league baseball. Twins fans thought here we go. Wouldn't be surprised if he signs somewhere and winds up being another David Ortiz. Wouldn't that be the sh*ts.
Would tell us about our hitting coaches over the years.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/08/22, 09:42:57 PM
At one time Buxton was number 2 and Sano number 3 in all of minor league baseball. Twins fans thought here we go. Wouldn't be surprised if he signs somewhere and winds up being another David Ortiz. Wouldn't that be the sh*ts.

I don't think Sano has the drive to be great. He's made a bunch of money and can go back to the island and eat cheeseburgers the rest of his life. No matter what he turns into I'm fine with him gone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/09/22, 07:38:06 AM
 :scratch: I agree, they've invested enough time & money in him. It's time to move on.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/18/22, 06:49:55 PM
Twins trade Urshella to the Angels for a pitching prospect.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/18/22, 08:24:45 PM
Twins trade Urshella to the Angels for a pitching prospect.

Seriously? They have less pitching than the Twins, unless Falvey got Ohtani it was just a money deal. Not wanting to pay Urshela
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/18/22, 09:56:44 PM
Angels 20th prospect. Also acquired shortstop Kyle Farmer from the Reds.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/19/22, 07:59:30 AM
Twins trade Urshella to the Angels for a pitching prospect.

Seriously? They have less pitching than the Twins, unless Falvey got Ohtani it was just a money deal. Not wanting to pay Urshela
He is eligible for arbitration but not a FA 'til after next year so that could easily be part of it but more PT for Miranda is probably a bigger part IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/19/22, 08:46:12 AM
For the record......being the top 20 prospect for the Angels is like being the #9 quarterback for the Gophers.

They gave a legitimate player away.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/19/22, 10:57:22 AM
Ya gotta give up something to get something, and last season we saw what they are giving up in Urshela.

Falvey and Levine's track record of brining in pitchers isnt any better than the previous regime.

Maybe they see something in Hildago that none of the other MLB scouts see, so they better be right about this guy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/19/22, 12:52:42 PM
Urshela & Sanchez came back in the Donaldson salary dump. The kid they got is 19 and throws the ball hard but has no idea where it's going.

Another Falvey deal throwing mud against the wall hoping some sticks. Now for the next 6-7 years he can talk about the great arm we have coming while trotting out Archer every 5th day for 2 2/3 innings long after his prime.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/19/22, 03:57:43 PM
I thought i saw they declined the $10M contract option for Archer.

No doubt they will find someone else who will be able to fill Archers shoes.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/19/22, 04:37:20 PM
Yes Archer is gone. I just used him as a example for this past year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/20/22, 08:24:38 AM
Urshela got $6.55 mil last year & with the season he had he should get a nice raise by going to arbitration. Miranda's rookie deal is for $700k/yr so they can save $6+ mil & have at least 2 more years of control of a guy that improved a bunch at the plate this season. :scratch: I also read recently where the Angels are talking about Urshela possibly being their everyday SS as they have Rendon at 3rd. He is in the middle of $245 mil/7 year deal but has struggled to stay healthy the last 2.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/20/22, 08:41:38 AM
These are just my opinion. I think they absolutely gave him away. In essence the kid they got is no more than a draft pick. Unless the plan is Arreaz at 1st most of the time I see no point in this other than the cash. I guess we will need to see what the roster looks like on opening day but so far I'm not impressed. You can pile all the cash you want but if you don't get a stud pitcher to sign here (which they won't) or a stud infielder (better chance) then where are ya?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/29/22, 12:31:49 PM
New Twins Executive. Jim Pohlad's nephew Joe taking over day to day operations.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/29/22, 03:22:47 PM
I saw that on the baseball network. I don't see any changes on how Pohlad business is done.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/29/22, 06:01:12 PM
Part of me is glad they don't overpay for every free agent on the open market.  Its kinda like buying 10 lottery tickets instead of one.  Yeah, your chances of winning are higher, but not 10 times higher.  A Top 5 payroll might get you to the playoffs more often, but in practice it hasn't translate to World Series dynasties.

The one change I'd like to see them make is A) figure out how to evaluate and develop pitching talent.  I'd like to see them be Top 5 in that department.  And B) when they develop an "ace" starter or reliever, pay them the market value to keep them. 

The Twins can't (or won't) spend as much money as the need to fill the holes, so if they're not going to spend financial capital to get the team over the hump, they need to build equity in player personnel to gain leverage.  What is it that every team does not have enough of?  Pitching.  I would think the best way for a "small market" team to maintain sustainable excellence would be to develop more top-flight pitchers than they need.  Keep the ones you want, trade the prospects to fill other holes.

Yeah, easier said than done, but if the current talent scouts and coaches aren't developing enough pitchers, I think they have to get better in this area.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/30/22, 07:26:27 AM
 :scratch: That small market team in the AL East from Florida seems to do as good of job of drafting & developing young arms as anybody in MLB IMO. I wonder what they do differently? :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/02/22, 06:41:07 PM
Well.....the big free agent signings are going to start with the winter meetings ending.
Top Free Agent.....Aaron Judge. Where will he sign. The Yankees supposedly have offered $300 million over 8 years. And have said they will go higher in a bidding war. That's A LOT of Dough. Guess is the Giants could get him. He's from the San Fran area. And they have the money to get him.

Twins have no chance at any of the top players. But then we didn't think they could get Correa either.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/02/22, 07:29:26 PM
deGrom just signed 5 years $185 with Texas. Twinks I think were runners-up at $3 million per for 3 years plus incentives.

They were O so close.   ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/03/22, 09:02:59 AM
Between these sports figures and CEO's getting these gluttonous amounts of money no wonder the we are in such financial trouble.  Hospitals are running a hundred million in the red each year and the CEOs are getting 140 million a year.  What is wrong with that.  How about paying them and these players tops of 10 million a year. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/03/22, 09:54:44 AM
Pro sports teams are selling for BILLIONS these days. Healthcare mergers are a yearly occurrence. Don't for one second think anybody is losing any money. Remember the old adage........"figures don't lie if liars don't figure."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/06/22, 02:18:02 PM
A source with knowledge of the situation says that Arraez is available if the trade helps Minnesota's pitching staff. Dan Hayes of The Athletic was the first to report about Arraez being available, saying the Twins "have discussed trading" Arraez as part of their "constant search for top-tier pitching."

Don't think fans would like this. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/06/22, 02:46:12 PM
I would think that everyone is always on the table for trades (as long as there are no-trade clauses).

I don't want to see him go either, but it is easier (for the Twins at least) to draft/develop position players than it is for them to develop top pitchers.  I just hate to see them get the short end of the stick so often when they trade for pitching.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/06/22, 02:57:25 PM
Tis the season for all the click & comment guys to toss out every conceivable player option with no regard for being right.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/06/22, 03:09:50 PM
Tis the season for all the click & comment guys to toss out every conceivable player option with no regard for being right.
yeah, yer right...  typical non-story story.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/09/22, 10:59:50 AM
Twins lose 3 players to waivers, 2 others cut from roster (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/twins-lose-3-players-to-waivers-2-others-cut-from-roster?dicbo=v2-046784ad32056255e319eda25d562b08)

The Twins lost three players on the waiver wire Tuesday.

Outfielder Jake Cave was claimed by the Orioles, infielder Jermaine Palacios was claimed by the Tigers, and catcher Caleb Hamilton was claimed by the Red Sox. The Twins also removed two pitchers from the 40-man roster: Devin Smeltzer and Jhon Romero.

Cave, 29, played in 54 games this season and slashed .213/.260/.384 with five homers, three triples, seven doubles and 20 RBIs.

Smeltzer was a starter in 12 of his 15 appearances this season. The 27-year-old lefty posted a 3.71 ERA in 70 1/3 innings.

Palacios played in 30 games at the big-league level and hit .143.

Hamilton hit .056 in 23 plate appearances with the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/09/22, 11:19:27 AM
Cave signed with the Phillies.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/09/22, 12:42:09 PM
We liked Cave. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/09/22, 02:07:00 PM
We liked Cave.
He would have fit in well when the Twins featured "The Paranas"
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/13/22, 09:27:19 AM
Twins sign catcher Christian Vasquez to 3 year.....$30 million contract. Needed to after letting Gary Sanchez go.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/13/22, 11:32:30 AM
 :scratch: Didn't know they let Sanchez go, kind of figured they would though.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/13/22, 01:36:03 PM
A couple of the websites I checked had Vasquez ranked 2nd among free agent catchers.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/13/22, 01:39:52 PM
I dunno...we paid $10 million and Cleveland signs Zunino for $6 million. It will be interesting to see the stats of both if they both stay healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/14/22, 07:39:15 AM
Got me curious, so I gave it a look & Vasquez is a career .260 hitter, Zunino's career avg is .200. Thought there was an age difference too but there's not, 32 & 31, respectively.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/14/22, 12:38:33 PM
Carlos Correa signs with the Giants for $350M for 13 years.

Too much money. Royce Lewis will be better when he gets on the field.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/14/22, 12:40:36 PM
Lewis might be a nice player but he won't be nearly as good as Correa, much cheaper but not as good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/14/22, 01:36:16 PM
Correa will be 41 when that contract is done, that's a lot of $, 26.9 mil/yr, for a 40+ y/o SS. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/14/22, 02:27:26 PM
The giants must be willing to eat the back end of that deal.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/22, 11:16:54 AM
 Now that the fat kid is gone, :scratch: I wonder who db will have to throw darts at this season?  :whistling: https://sports.yahoo.com/joey-gallo-twins-reportedly-agree-000346665.html  ;) :rolleyes: :smiley: Kind of surprised that him or Ken haven't already mentioned this move. :huh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/19/22, 11:32:59 AM
Now that the fat kid is gone, :scratch: I wonder who db will have to throw darts at this season?  :whistling: https://sports.yahoo.com/joey-gallo-twins-reportedly-agree-000346665.html  ;) :rolleyes: :smiley: Kind of surprised that him or Ken haven't already mentioned this move. :huh:

A two-time All-Star with Texas, Gallo looked lost at the plate last year with the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers, who acquired him at the Aug. 2 trade deadline. He hit .160 with 19 homers and 47 RBIs, striking out 163 times in 350 at-bats.

Gallo has finished with a batting average under .200 in three straight seasons, striking out 455 times in 1,041 at-bats while batting .183 with 67 homers and 150 RBIs.

$10M seems a steep price to pay for 22 homers / year.   :doah:   Just sayin...
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/22, 11:51:49 AM
Not to mention, Sano is the only player in MLB history to reach 1,000 strkeouts faster than Gallo. If I remember right Miggy was scheduled to make $14 mil this season. Gallo is a career .200 hitter & Sano's career avg is .234. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanomi01.shtml
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/19/22, 12:06:10 PM
Not to mention, Sano is the only player in MLB history to reach 1,000 strkeouts faster than Gallo. If I remember right Miggy was scheduled to make $14 mil this season. Gallo is a career .200 hitter & Sano's career avg is .234. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanomi01.shtml

So the Twins add another man to the roster who has been striking out almost 44% of the time over the past 3 years, the Twins save $4M in payroll, but lose .034 in replacement player batting average.   :doah: :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/22, 02:20:02 PM
 :scratch: He is lefthanded & they can use another lefty in the lineup. Also, a decent glove man who can play either LF or RF. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/19/22, 02:40:06 PM
In addition to being a good outfielder the Twins need a DH. What they didn't need was another guy who makes Sano look like a contact hitter.

There will need to be a corresponding move of trading one of the outfielders to make room for Gallo to have this make any sense at all.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/19/22, 03:04:34 PM
What they didn't need was another guy who makes Sano look like a contact hitter.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/22, 08:50:23 PM
 
In addition to being a good outfielder the Twins need a DH. What they didn't need was another guy who makes Sano look like a contact hitter.

There will need to be a corresponding move of trading one of the outfielders to make room for Gallo to have this make any sense at all.
:scratch: Did you miss the part about Sano being the only 1 to have 1000 SOs faster than Gallo?  :bonk:                               ;) :rolleyes:  :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/19/22, 09:56:31 PM
Nope, but given the same amount of at bats Gallo will drive in more runs than Sano. He will play better over-all defense and he can run a bit. Make no mistake, there is a bunch of swing and miss in his game but if I have to have one of them i'll take Gallo over Sano.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/20/22, 06:48:38 AM
 :scratch: It looks like I might have to agree with you, db. :shocked: ;) :smiley: He has averaged 600+ plate appearances a year, so he must be able to stay pretty healthy. He walks a lot too, 90/yr on avg, so he has a lifetime OPS near .800, & he's got 2 Gold Gloves in 20 & 21(RF). https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gallojo01.shtml
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/21/22, 09:51:48 AM
Carlos Correa signs with the Giants for $350M for 13 years.

Too much money. Royce Lewis will be better when he gets on the field.

Not so fast...

Why Carlos Correa spurned Giants for Mets in free agency (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35296396/carlos-correa-spurns-giants-mets-mlb-free-agency)

In a stunning turn of events, free agent Carlos Correa is headed to the New York Mets -- and not the San Francisco Giants.

The 28-year-old shortstop agreed to terms on a 12-year, $315 million deal with New York -- a week after coming to terms with the Giants on a historic 13-year, $350 million contract.

Wait ... what happened?!

The Giants' contract with the star shortstop fell apart after the team expressed concerns during the physical examination, prompting Correa to reopen his free agency and sign in the middle of the night with the Mets.

Didn't the Mets already spend a whole bunch of money this offseason? And don't they already have a shortstop?!

Sure do. Last year, Mets owner Steve Cohen signed Francisco Lindor to a 10-year, $341 million deal after trading for the star shortstop in 2020. Correa is expected to move to third base in New York to play alongside his friend and Team Puerto Rico teammate Lindor.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/21/22, 10:06:30 AM
The battle for New York. Cohen & the Mets vs Steinbrenner & the Yankees. Be fun to watch for the next few years.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/21/22, 11:07:01 AM
Yeah, the Giants wanted Judge and then Correa and got neither.   :bonk:

Cohen has deep pockets.  The price of baseball keeps going up.

Last year, Mets owner Steve Cohen signed Francisco Lindor to a 10-year, $341 million deal after trading for the star shortstop in 2020. Correa is expected to move to third base in New York to play alongside his friend and Team Puerto Rico teammate Lindor.

And speaking of Steve Cohen ... when Cohen bought the Mets in November 2020, there was a belief around baseball that he could upend the system with his wealth. But this exceeds the expectations of even the most hopeful Mets fan. If Correa's deal is completed, the team's estimated payroll will be around $384 million. Based on that number, the Mets would owe an additional $111 million in luxury-tax payments. Their total payroll, as of now, is expected to be just shy of $500 million. In baseball history, no team has come within $150 million of that number.

Just this offseason, the Mets are adding Correa to a list of signings that includes starters Justin Verlander, Kodai Senga and Jose Quintana along with the re-signings of outfielder Brandon Nimmo and relievers Edwin Diaz and Adam Ottavino. Add in catcher Omar Narvaez and reliever David Robertson, and the Mets' total outlay this winter is $806.1 million.

As for Correa...

Correa is only 28, so he has several good years left and we saw how good he is in the clubhouse.  And if he is playing with good players he gets along with, it ought to be a scary good team.

But... he still has to pass the Met's physical.   ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/22/22, 05:26:22 PM
Now that the fat kid is gone, :scratch: I wonder who db will have to throw darts at this season?  :whistling: https://sports.yahoo.com/joey-gallo-twins-reportedly-agree-000346665.html  ;) :rolleyes: :smiley: Kind of surprised that him or Ken haven't already mentioned this move. :huh:

Just got home from Red Lake for the past 3 days.....no electricity, so no computer for 3 days.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/23/22, 08:04:54 AM
 :scratch: Think I 1st read about it last Friday, 12/16.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on December 12/25/22, 09:18:54 AM
 :scratch: :doah: sounds like this Correa is having issues getting a secured contract due to some old injuries there finding in his physicals!!!!!!!!! :doah: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/25/22, 09:19:57 AM
Yes something about an old leg injury repair.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/27/22, 08:08:26 AM
 :scratch: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10059641-mlb-rumors-mets-concerned-with-carlos-correas-leg-injury-amid-315m-contract#:~:text=Correa%20suffered%20the%20injury%20to%20his :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on December 12/27/22, 08:36:49 AM
 :scratch: ok so i follow the Twins a little bit....... but why wasnt this an issue when he signed with the Twinkies???? maybe i just missed it, dont know.  :scratch: :scratch:

so now.........by him snubbing his nose at the Twins........he is having troubles finding a team that will take him!!!!!  :rotflmao: serves him right!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/27/22, 01:37:02 PM
 :scratch: Another pc I read said the NYM still want him, but they want to re-do the original offer. Shorter deal and/or less $? :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/27/22, 01:46:06 PM
I think when it's all said and done Correa gets like 8 years with the last 2-3 years a team option. I think the dollars stay at around $28-30 million with maybe some bonuses for games or innings played. He will be very well paid as he should be.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/29/22, 08:33:14 AM
:scratch: ok so i follow the Twins a little bit....... but why wasnt this an issue when he signed with the Twinkies????

Remember how the Twins' Correa signing caught everyone off guard?  It was a great deal for both.  The Twins never make big long-term splash deals - so no one was surprised when it was a short contract - but were applauded for going after him.  For Correa's part, he needed a team where he could play and prove his health so he could chase the long term deal he wanted. 

But you have to believe that the Twins saw the same medicals, stayed out of the long term trap, and kept it to themselves.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/29/22, 10:00:57 AM
:scratch: ok so i follow the Twins a little bit....... but why wasnt this an issue when he signed with the Twinkies????

Remember how the Twins' Correa signing caught everyone off guard?  It was a great deal for both.  The Twins never make big long-term splash deals - so no one was surprised when it was a short contract - but were applauded for going after him.  For Correa's part, he needed a team where he could play and prove his health so he could chase the long term deal he wanted. 

But you have to believe that the Twins saw the same medicals, stayed out of the long term trap, and kept it to themselves.

Except it was reported the Twins offered Correa $285 million over 10 years. I'm not buying what the Twins are peddling at this point. There was no $285 offer UNLESS they knew what the Giant offer was and that Correa would take that. When it's all said and done the Twins will have Farmer as the starter and will battle for the central title until the Baldelli bullpen implodes from overuse again in August.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/29/22, 10:21:51 AM
Correa & Lindor are friends from playing in the WBC for PR & that plays into Correa's wanting to play for the Mets, is what I read, & he may even move to 3rd base. He'll sign a deal much like db described above IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/06/23, 11:27:08 AM
Reports: Twins 'renewed contact' with Carlos Correa's agent (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/reports-twins-renewed-contact-with-carlos-correas-agent)

The plot thickens.

The Minnesota Twins have "renewed contact" with agent Scott Boras while the New York Mets continue to negotiate a deal for star shortstop Carlos Correa.

It's unclear how the Twins feel about the [ankle injury', but Heyman says the "unresolved issues" with the Mets have led Boras "to check in with other teams," and the Twins "were one of the teams in some contact with Boras."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/06/23, 11:48:15 AM
When you think of "Diva's" in the sports world these "insiders" should immediately pop into mind. The guys like Rosenthal, Heyman, Bowden all throw mud against the wall to see what sticks. I wouldn't be surprised if Boris wasn't paying them.

I don't see Correa coming to the Twins on anything but a 1 year or like he did last year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/06/23, 12:58:46 PM
When you think of "Diva's" in the sports world these "insiders" should immediately pop into mind. The guys like Rosenthal, Heyman, Bowden all throw mud against the wall to see what sticks. I wouldn't be surprised if Boris wasn't paying them.

I don't see Correa coming to the Twins on anything but a 1 year or like he did last year.

They'd prolly take 'em back for the same money as he was going to make before he opted out.  Still, there is a part of me that hopes the offer him less - if it comes down to that.  I sure as h3!! wouldn't pay him more than his old contract.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/10/23, 01:42:16 PM
Carlos Correa agrees to third free-agent deal amid injury concerns (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/carlos-correa-agrees-third-free-agent-deal-injury-concerns-report#&_intcmp=hp1r_16,hp1r)

Correa's deal reportedly worth $150 million less than Giants' and $115 million less than Mets' offer

Correa is set to rejoin the Minnesota Twins on a six-year, $200 million contract, ESPN reported Tuesday, pending the completion of a physical.

The Twins have yet to announce the deal.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/10/23, 07:37:35 PM
 Seen it come across the TV ~ 4 today, so it must be official :scratch:, 6 yrs/$200 mil with incentives of ~ $20.  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/10/23, 09:11:06 PM
Guess I was wrong.

Flashing back to last off season Correa / Boris were after a 300 million contract.
Last year they got 35 million of that.
Today they got another 200 million.
There also are another 70 million in extensions & options in play.
Do the math.....no matter what or how, Boris did his job.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/11/23, 08:28:37 AM
Guess I was wrong.

Flashing back to last off season Correa / Boris were after a 300 million contract.
Last year they got 35 million of that.
Today they got another 200 million.
There also are another 70 million in extensions & options in play.
Do the math.....no matter what or how, Boris did his job.

Yup...

Carlos Correa boomerangs to Twins after Giants, Mets nix deals (https://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/tipsheet-carlos-correa-boomerangs-to-twins-after-giants-mets-nix-deals/article_5d1de562-a040-530b-b031-23718190b7cd.html)

So Correa instead made a deal with the Twins. He agreed to a deal that fully guarantees $200M over the same six years and adds four more years at a potential additional $70M based on plate appearances. The Twins’ front-loaded arrangement was appealing...

The Mets also were willing to fully guarantee the first six years, but that would be at $157.5M, and they proposed new conditions Correa’s camp saw as more difficult to reach, involving not just plate appearances but time in the field. While the Mets’ newly reconfigured deal might still have been called a potential $315M for 12 years, the last six years, just like with the Twins deal, would have been less than fully guaranteed.

One difference in the Twins and Mets deals is that Correa will be paid at the rate of $33.33M by the Twins in the six guaranteed years while he would have been paid $26.25M in the Mets’ offer.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/20/23, 03:05:01 PM
 :scratch: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/why-the-twins-were-smart-to-trade-2022-al-batting-champion-luiz-arraez/ar-AA16zKLG?ocid=msedgntp&cvi :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/20/23, 03:10:33 PM
 :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: effin Twins!!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: training-087 training-087 training-087 think i'll become a cubs fan!!!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/20/23, 03:39:30 PM
Ya gotta give sumthin' to get sumthin'.  I hope they guessed right this time and don't end up with ANOTHER pitcher who is on the verge of breaking down or tests positive for steroids in spring training.

Infield hitting *might* have been considered a strength on paper, but those players have to stay healthy, which has been something that this Twin's regime has struggled preserving.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/20/23, 04:34:33 PM
Kirilloff should be ready to go. If healthy he will be .320 with 25 HR, 90 RBI
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/20/23, 07:35:06 PM
They needed another good starting pitch more than a singles hitter. Also got a top 100 minor league player.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/20/23, 07:58:14 PM
Twins have 4 minor league prospects ranked in the top 100. 2 infielders, 1 pitcher, and 1 outfielder.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/20/23, 08:58:55 PM
 :scratch: Miranda showed he deserves to start too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/20/23, 09:19:38 PM
They moved Miranda to 3rd when the gave Urshela away and cut the Fat Kid.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/21/23, 06:15:15 AM
Urshela was probably going to walk after this year anyway, so it's the old too much $ for too little control story there IMO. He's still unsigned too, he wants $10 & they've offered $8.4. I'm sure Miranda's play made it easier to let him go & at least get something in return. :scratch: I do think they might've been able to do better though, as he had a really good year for the Twins, but that also means more $ in his new deal too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/21/23, 10:04:58 AM
Third will be noticeably weaker  IMO. Miranda has been a nice story to this point but he needs to prove it some more for me to be 100% in on him. He could be another Sano, flash, fizzle & done. Or Kepler without the glove.

We will see I guess.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/21/23, 10:50:48 AM
 :scratch: https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/news/minnesota-twins-2023-projected-starting-lineup-after-trading-luis-arraez  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on January 01/22/23, 08:45:49 AM
Trading him really surprised me at first. But after reading more about it makes sense.  He was fun to watch that's for sure.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/22/23, 07:04:20 PM
I just hope the clubhouse continues to have good chemistry after he is gone.

Now I will always be watching his career with interest.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/23/23, 08:26:19 PM
The Twins are acquiring centerfielder Michael A. Taylor in a trade with the Kansas City Royals. The Twins are sending Kansas minor league pitchers Evan Sisk and Steven Cruz.

They've also added outfielder Joey Gallo to the lineup in free agency. The addition of Gallo and now Taylor will increase the likelihood that the Twins will trade Max Kepler.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/24/23, 07:42:52 AM
A little more on the Arraez trade https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/scouting-reports-on-jose-salas-byron-chourio-heading-to-the-twins-in-luis-arraez-trade/. Both the young guys are expected to be at least a year or 2 away. :scratch: 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/24/23, 08:04:39 AM
The Twins are acquiring centerfielder Michael A. Taylor in a trade with the Kansas City Royals. The Twins are sending Kansas minor league pitchers Evan Sisk and Steven Cruz.

They've also added outfielder Joey Gallo to the lineup in free agency. The addition of Gallo and now Taylor will increase the likelihood that the Twins will trade Max Kepler.

Hmmm...   :scratch:

The Twins NEED pitching and have been trying to build up a farm system from an empty cupboard.

The Twins seem to have pretty good outfielding.

So they trade two farm system pitchers for another outfielder - so that they can trade another outfielder for something else?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/24/23, 08:52:39 AM
I think we need to see what this looks like when they are finished making moves.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/24/23, 10:15:53 AM
 :scratch: For 1 thing, all 3 of the OF starters have won Gold Gloves & Taylor's was in CF. So, if/when Buxton goes down again, they have a solid backup. Gallo has 2 GGs in RF but played LF last season & is more than capable in CF as well. Larnach will be in the mix in LF IMO too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/24/23, 10:57:23 AM
With all those skilled outfielders...  are they planning on having another pitch-to-contact pitching staff this season?   :bonk: :bonk: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/24/23, 11:04:21 AM
as long as the Pohlad family has any ties to the Twins.............there not going anywhere!!!!!!!11 :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/24/23, 11:24:25 AM
I have no clue how much the Twins make or lose every year.  Or perhaps like a lot of pro sports teams owners...  they really don't make their big profits until they sell the franchise at 10x or 50x or 100x what they paid for it.

All that said, if I owned the team, I'd probably run it like a business too, watching the bottom line year over year.  And you probably would too.

Problem is in baseball, some teams have bigger TV contracts and some teams have owners with more money than the Pohlads and don't care if they spend it all on a winning baseball team. 

So, yeah, maybe the Twins won't ever be going anywhere with these owners.  But every once in a while a bunch of over-achievers pop up and makes the season a little more fun.

Like the song says:  "...if they don't win its a shame."  Its still one helluva pass time!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/24/23, 11:32:14 AM
With all those skilled outfielders...  are they planning on having another pitch-to-contact pitching staff this season?   :bonk: :bonk: :bonk:
:tut: Bundy & Archer are gone, besides that was more of Gardy philosophy...........................wish they'd been able to keep Wes Johnson though. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/24/23, 06:48:06 PM
THE problem with baseball is that there is no salary cap like football. So as steve said.....big local TV contracts make the difference. Look at football. Every team has an equal chance to have good players. Spend your money smartly and every team has a chance.

Baseball is..... the rich sign whoever they want and the low population teams get what is left. Will never change as the rich won't let it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/25/23, 08:09:28 AM
Read where the NYY are interested in Kepler. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/25/23, 10:18:17 AM
I'm probably the only guy in Minnesota who would rather keep Kepler. He's young, he's cheap, he plays almost every day, very good defensibly & has shown the ability to put the ball in play. IMO you can never have to many guys who aren't strikeout prone.

My OPINION only.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/25/23, 10:24:32 AM
I'm probably the only guy in Minnesota who would rather keep Kepler. He's young, he's cheap, he plays almost every day, very good defensibly & has shown the ability to put the ball in play. IMO you can never have to many guys who aren't strikeout prone.

My OPINION only.
i'm with ya dutchy.......when i do get to watch the twins i enjoyed watching him. he has a sweet swing!!!!! i like Arreaz to but.......... :surrender: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/25/23, 11:13:56 AM
 :scratch: Twins now have 5 lefty hitting OFs for the 2 corner spots & DH. Kepler is the oldest & most expensive. He's due $8.5 this year & there's a club option for $10 next. SF, LAD, & Seattle are all looking for OF help too. Might be able to get some pitching help in return. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/25/23, 11:27:49 AM
:scratch: Twins now have 5 lefty hitting OFs for the 2 corner spots & DH. Kepler is the oldest & most expensive. He's due $8.5 this year & there's a club option for $10 next. SF, LAD, & Seattle are all looking for OF help too. Might be able to get some pitching help in return. :confused:

SF, LAD & Seattle are contenders, I don't see them trading any pitching other than maybe single A types. I'd rather see how Kepler starts the season out and worry about him around the trade deadline. I don't think he would bring anything that would help the Twins this year. Other than the salary dump. Who knows, maybe he bounces back with a good year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/25/23, 12:31:30 PM
Yeah, I think he'll definitely benefit from the new rules this year. He's been 1 of the most heavily shifted guys in MLB last couple years because he's such a dead pull hitter. He had a lot of hard-hit balls that didn't fall for him because of that the last couple seasons too. I agree, it would most likely be a young arm or two that's not ready for the majors for a season or 2.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/25/23, 01:44:53 PM
Yeah.....forgot about the new rule changes. Will be interesting to see how this affects each hitter.

Pitch clock
2 infielders on each side of second base with both feet on the infield dirt.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/25/23, 02:36:39 PM
Add the shift change along with bigger bases and it will bring speed back in the game also.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/27/23, 07:37:16 AM
 :scratch: Read something that I was unaware of in the last day or so. The Twins had 8 guys who were going to be elligble for arbitration to begin this season, so they started working on a new deal with all of them at the beginning of last season. All of them agreed to a new deal but 1. Care to guess which 1? :whistling:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/27/23, 07:44:46 AM
Sorry, too early for guessing games.  I don't follow the Hot Stove league close enough.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/27/23, 08:33:10 AM
Arraez.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/27/23, 08:35:47 AM
OK.  I didn't realize he was also up for arbitration.

I've heard several people say that despite losing a popular player, it was a pretty good deal for the Twins.  I say so too... as long as the pitcher pans out.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/27/23, 09:25:08 AM
OK.  I didn't realize he was also up for arbitration.

I've heard several people say that despite losing a popular player, it was a pretty good deal for the Twins.  I say so too... as long as the pitcher pans out.

You can't look at it that way Steve. Whether the pitcher works out for the Twins or not it was a trade they felt they needed to make. If Kirolloff is healthy he plays 1st base, thats why the fat kid is gone. Arraez playing 1st last year was a stop gap with a guy that was hitting the ball. We all loved his antics at the plate and the fact he was willing to spray the ball around. But lets not overlook the fact his average plummeted in the second half when the Twins were trying to hang on. Did he wear out? Did the pitchers figure him out? Was he just returning to his norm? Not really a known at this time. He was a utility guy thrust into a everyday player. I liked him but there is nowhere to play him.

As far as the pitcher received goes he also is a unknown but likely will be a rotation piece. He will never be a #1 but if he can eat a few innings that will help the bullpen. With the way the Twins manage their starters it's imperative that starters go 5 innings. When they have the blowups in the first 3 innings it absolutely kills the bullpen with the added work. Maybe he becomes the 6th guy or the long guy. Maybe he takes somebody else's place in the rotation and they drop down to that roll. Time will tell what becomes of him.

I liked the way Arraez played the game but this is one time I can't blame management for making a move. Besides, there is no guarantee Arraez doesn't blow out a knee this season.

Pitchers & catchers start in a few weeks and we will start getting more answers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/27/23, 10:44:04 AM
 :scratch: It looks like he got $4.7 & I read where the Twins offered $5 but he was asking for $6. The new deal runs through 2025 though. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/arbitration/miami-marlins/all/ Heard a few say that his glove was a bit suspect no matter his position as well.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/04/23, 07:39:17 AM
 :scratch: It looks like my previous post was :bs: as I found this today. https://www.rutlandherald.com/sports/pro_national_sports/batting-champ-arraez-beats-marlins-in-salary-arbitration/article_d58e28d9-3c0e-53df-bf91-0d5b0b3b27c1.html
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/12/23, 10:54:29 AM
 :scratch: Less than 2 weeks 'til we get a look at this years team. https://www.mlb.com/press-release/minnesota-twins-announce-2023-spring-training-schedule :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/12/23, 11:07:27 AM
I can't hardly wait for baseball in general. With Bally Sports going in the dumper soon I'm not sure how I will watch the Twins. Might become a radio thing only for me as I'm not sure I'd pay a streaming service to see them.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/12/23, 11:22:58 AM
I'm curious to see how that all plays out.  Sinclair sure screwed it all up by not letting anyone reup their MLB contracts.  MLB sure screwed up by letting it happen.  A lot of people no longer watch due to that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/12/23, 11:33:52 AM
Baseball is more of a radio game anyway in my opinion. Visualizing the game in your mind is easy if the announcers are good. That said I watch far more games then I listen to since I retired. Although listening to the Twins while mowing grass on the cities dime was great last year.   ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/12/23, 11:39:58 AM
 :scratch: The latest I could find on it.https://www.tampabay.com/sports/2023/02/10/bally-sports-owner-miss-payment-next-week-associated-press/ :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/12/23, 11:52:10 AM
ESPN's version https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35625491/mlb-preparing-take-local-broadcasts-necessary :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/12/23, 01:29:39 PM
Good article.  Maddening how convoluted it all got.  We had to switch to our local cable company to get Twins games.  Good company too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/12/23, 01:32:47 PM
I'm probably the only guy in Minnesota who would rather keep Kepler. He's young, he's cheap, he plays almost every day, very good defensibly & has shown the ability to put the ball in play. IMO you can never have to many guys who aren't strikeout prone.

My OPINION only.

He is one of our favorites.  I am no baseball mind neither.  Just watch the games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/12/23, 02:00:31 PM
Good article.  Maddening how convoluted it all got.  We had to switch to our local cable company to get Twins games.  Good company too.
Glad to read that Manfred has already said that if they have to step in they will & they will keep it on cable as well as setting up a streaming service. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/12/23, 02:12:26 PM
Good article.  Maddening how convoluted it all got.  We had to switch to our local cable company to get Twins games.  Good company too.
Glad to read that Manfred has already said that if they have to step in they will & they will keep it on cable as well as setting up a streaming service. :cool:

I'd rather trust Walz with my last $10 than trust Manfred. He will roll it to streaming with limited availability for more money. I can't see myself paying $59.00 ( or whatever number he comes up with) a month to watch the Twins. Everyone of the major sports owners have forgotten it's the fans who have built them to what they are.  :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/13/23, 07:36:09 AM
 :scratch: I hope your wrong as having to pay more to follow your favorite team will chase a lot of fans away from MLB IMO & just undo what they've been trying to do with all of the new rule changes. I know we won't be paying extra for a premium channel or a streaming service & probably won't follow 'em much on the radio either.  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/13/23, 08:12:03 AM
If it isn't part of our regular TV programming we won't pay extra for it neither. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/13/23, 08:21:52 AM
:scratch: The latest I could find on it.https://www.tampabay.com/sports/2023/02/10/bally-sports-owner-miss-payment-next-week-associated-press/ :confused:
Yeah, sometimes you gotta wonder about all those multi-billion dollar media deals.  I reckon investors are just hoping for neutral cash flow so they can hold onto the asset long enough until they find a buyer who will give them more then they paid.  Sooner or later the bubble is going to burst.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 07:36:17 AM
Twins 1st Spring game is tomorrow :happy1: :cool:, it looks to be a split squad affair. TB & Baltimore both with the same start time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/24/23, 07:44:51 AM
Once again the season only boils down to two things...

1) Can Baldelli not burn the bullpen to the ground by August 1st.

2) Will Buxton play over 100 games? I'm not including DH'ing which seems to be the plan.

Pitching health and health of the club will be paramount. They need to find a way to keep these guys on the field & playing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/24/23, 08:00:28 AM
i have not faith in the Twinkies going anywhere until the Pohlads have nuttin to do with the team!!!!!  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/24/23, 08:08:03 AM
And even if the Pohlads are gone, it is still a crap shoot.  There are lots of teams that spend lots of money and not have anything to show for it.

The difference is those teams will be in the playoff mix 4 out of 5 years.  :happy1:  Teams like the Twins will be relevant 1 out of 5 years.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 08:11:10 AM
i have not faith in the Twinkies going anywhere until the Pohlads have nuttin to do with the team!!!!!  :doah:
:scratch: At least they've won a WS.........................twice, much unlike the other current Mn pro sport franchises. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/24/23, 08:20:23 AM
i have not faith in the Twinkies going anywhere until the Pohlads have nuttin to do with the team!!!!!  :doah:
:scratch: At least they've won a WS.........................twice, much unlike the other current Mn pro sport franchises. :rolleyes:
:pouty: :pouty: yea and how long ago was that  :scratch: :scratch: think i was in high school yet!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

what about the lynx????
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 08:23:51 AM
And even if the Pohlads are gone, it is still a crap shoot.  There are lots of teams that spend lots of money and not have anything to show for it.

The difference is those teams will be in the playoff mix 4 out of 5 years.  :happy1:  Teams like the Twins will be relevant 1 out of 5 years.  :doah:
Cohen has pushed the Mets salaries this year to nearly 3 X what the Twins was last season & they lost in 3 to SD in the 1st round of the playoffs. https://nesn.com/2023/02/what-mlb-owners-told-steve-cohen-about-mets-offseason/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 11:44:49 AM
 :scratch: You were in HS in '87? :doofus: :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/24/23, 11:53:23 AM
:scratch: You were in HS in '87? :doofus: :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:


He was a Sophomore in '87 an Graduated in '91.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 12:05:18 PM
 :happy1: :laugh: :laugh:     I was in the stands for 2 of the ALCS games against Detroit. :cool:   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/24/23, 02:38:07 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: naw.it just feels that long ago!!!!!!!! :mooning: :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/24/23, 03:31:43 PM
Once again the season only boils down to two things...

1) Can Baldelli not burn the bullpen to the ground by August 1st.

2) Will Buxton play over 100 games? I'm not including DH'ing which seems to be the plan.

Pitching health and health of the club will be paramount. They need to find a way to keep these guys on the field & playing.
this one dutchy??

It's back a page!! :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/23, 03:39:13 PM
  ;)  :doah:               :rolleyes:  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/24/23, 04:03:44 PM
Once again the season only boils down to two things...

1) Can Baldelli not burn the bullpen to the ground by August 1st.

2) Will Buxton play over 100 games? I'm not including DH'ing which seems to be the plan.

Pitching health and health of the club will be paramount. They need to find a way to keep these guys on the field & playing.
this one dutchy??

It's back a page!! :rotflmao:

Nope, thats not it. It was about the Pohlads & Griffith the old Met, Humpty Dump and Target Field.  I must not of hit post.   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/24/23, 06:43:50 PM
Once again the season only boils down to two things...

1) Can Baldelli not burn the bullpen to the ground by August 1st.

2) Will Buxton play over 100 games? I'm not including DH'ing which seems to be the plan.

Pitching health and health of the club will be paramount. They need to find a way to keep these guys on the field & playing.
this one dutchy??

It's back a page!! :rotflmao:

Nope, thats not it. It was about the Pohlads & Griffith the old Met, Humpty Dump and Target Field.  I must not of hit post.   :confused:
nope didnt see that one!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/26/23, 05:32:25 PM
 :scratch: Don't worry db, I do that at least a couple times a week. :bonk:            ;) :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/27/23, 08:18:03 AM
I see they put Royce Lewies on the 60 day IL & claimed Braves pitcher off waivers yday. It's a noon game against the BoSox today but MLB Network has a replay at 8:30 tonight, if anyone's interested. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/27/23, 08:37:57 AM
Hard to get to excited right now. No everyday players playing much plus you have a bunch of guys at the WBC so it's like watching a little league game.

Glad to see them adding to the roster, they still need more and there was no reason to have Lewis around. He won't be back till July or likely August at the earliest. I think he will play only in AAA when he is healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/27/23, 01:11:29 PM
I see they put Royce Lewies on the 60 day IL & claimed Braves pitcher off waivers yday. It's a noon game against the BoSox today but MLB Network has a replay at 8:30 tonight, if anyone's interested. :scratch:

Is Now the Right Time for a Royce Lewis Extension? (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/twins-royce-lewis-contract-extension-idea-framework/)   :confused:

This blogger proposes a contract that amounts to roughly a seven-year, $34 million might be good for both sides. 

For the Twins, the incentive here is obvious -- adding a star-caliber talent in Lewis to the entrenched long-term core alongside Byron Buxton and Carlos Correa -- with cost certainty that fits nicely alongside their progressive salary allocations.

The team downside is nominal: if Lewis completely fails to make it back and pan out as an effective MLB player, the Twins would be on the hook for a total sum of money slightly below Correa's 2023 salary.

For Lewis, the incentive also should be obvious, but it might not be quite enough. Very possibly, he's inclined to bet on himself and aim for bigger paydays, especially if he's feeling really good at this stage of his recovery. No one would begrudge him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/27/23, 02:33:42 PM
I want to see what difference the new rule changes make. :scratch: The 10-8 game with the Phillys yday was played in just over 3 hours, last year that's probably a 4 hour game. :cool: A lot of talk of catchers throwing behind runners with the new limit on how many times the pitcher can throw over too. Outfielders playing real shallow or even in the infield on 1 side sometimes, Showalter said.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/27/23, 02:35:26 PM
Theres no rush on him. He is hurt on the DL and has no track record yet. Even when he is arbitration eligible he will be cheap. Bloggers have to have something to blog about. There is a lot of Buxton in that kid.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/27/23, 02:44:33 PM
 :scratch: Read 1 that said late June or 1st part of July if everything continues to go well for Lewis. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/27/23, 02:52:25 PM
:scratch: Read 1 that said late June or 1st part of July if everything continues to go well for Lewis. :confused:

So that makes it early June if everything goes OK. Early June the Twins better still be in contention so where do you play him? Shortstop for Correa? Nope. 2nd base for Polanco? Probably not. Third for Miranda? No. No room in the infield as you have Farmer to back every position up. In LF for Gallo? Maybe. In center field for Buxton / Taylor? Nope. In RF for Kepler / Gordon / Taylor / Larnach? Nope.

He goes to AAA and stays there until the Twins are eliminated in Sept. Then he gets called up to play everyday. It's the only thing that makes sense unless there is a injury or trade to clear some room.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/27/23, 07:59:19 PM
If its amything like it was the last couple years... there will be injuries
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/28/23, 06:42:06 AM
If its amything like it was the last couple years... there will be injuries

:happy1: That's the main reason for much of this. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/neal-change-in-training-staff-could-benefit-twins-the-most/ar-AA13gwne Granted the end of June is quite a ways off & a lot of things can & probably will happen to change things by then. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/28/23, 08:45:24 AM
 The new pitch clock has shaved 22 minutes off the average length of a Spring game this season vs last, according to MLB network at the end of the day yday. Gallo & 2 or 3 others on the Twins started an at bat being down 0-1 without even seeing a pitch, as they weren't ready to hit when the pitch clock hit 8. Good thing they have a month to get used to the new rules.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/28/23, 09:03:00 AM
Pitch clock will be a good thing, bigger bases not so much. Baseball (Manfred) just isn't happy unless he is f'ing with the history of the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/28/23, 12:52:23 PM
 Quite few of the MLB lifers believe the pitch clock will be a much bigger deal for the hitters than for the pitchers. Most pitchers like to work pretty fast where as hardly any hitters like feeling rushed. I believe the competition committee that voted on the changes has 6 owners; 4 players, & 1 umpire on it.  :scratch: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35629997/mlb-new-2023-season-rules-shift-pitch-clock
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/28/23, 02:03:13 PM
I can't wait for the pitch clock.  I hated the way every pitch was being executed like it was Game 7 of the World Series - pitchers and hitters were both guilty.  And I can't blame them because stats mean money to these guys.  Like everything, some guys will suffer because of it, some will excel because of it, and everyone will get used to it.

Bigger bases?   :confused:  Seems like a solution looking for a problem.   :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/28/23, 04:53:23 PM
The bases went from 15" to 18" now. It's supposed to make it safer :scratch:, I guess, as they think it'll be easier for the runner & the infielders to avoid contact, so fewer injuries from collisions on the bases.  :confused: It's hard to see much difference when watching a game IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/28/23, 05:15:01 PM
Hard to see now yes but most of these guys playing won't see the field with the Twins. Combined with the number of times a pitcher can throw to first added to how long a pitcher can hold the ball, once these base stealers figure things out it will be a track meet. Who knows, maybe MLB can put the juiced baseballs away for a while.    ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/28/23, 05:20:24 PM
Heckova year to have a team without a running game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/28/23, 08:27:21 PM
 :scratch: I meant it's not easy to see the change in the size of the bases, db. :rolleyes: Yeah, I too believe that there'll be a lot more teams stealing bases this season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/01/23, 08:14:49 AM
I agree db, as I only see 4 pitchers in yday's box score that I recognize & a like # of position players.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/01/23, 08:36:59 AM
I'm headed to Kansas City on the 20th for a week. By the time I return home I'll be in full spring mode mentally. Baseball will have started, it will be warmer and the snow should have started melting up here. Baseball = summer for me.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/01/23, 08:44:32 AM
I'm headed to Kansas City on the 20th for a week. By the time I return home I'll be in full spring mode mentally. Baseball will have started, it will be warmer and the snow should have started melting up here. Baseball = summer for me.
you going down to visit the Boilermakers unions headquarters???? :scratch: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :sleazy: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/01/23, 08:48:51 AM
 :scratch: I just learned that for the 1st time since 1968 all 30 teams are supposed to start the season at the same time, March 30. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/02/23, 07:43:35 AM
I caught most of their 1st game on BSNOR yday against the Phillys. Recognized some of the pitchers but that was about it. The next televised game is tomorrow.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/02/23, 09:07:47 AM
I haven't heard Provius on the TV or Radio. Is something up or is he just not doing the early pre-season games? I'm liking Attabury more and more each year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/02/23, 09:13:57 AM
The Google doesn't have any recent news about him.

I looked twice when I saw an article announcing Provus as the new Brewers radio guy, but that article was from 2009.   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/02/23, 09:31:44 AM
I know I heard him doing some national games last year. I don't know anything beyond that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/02/23, 08:35:30 PM
They were on BSNOR again today, but it was a TB feed, I believe.  :confused: Twins even had 5 stolen bases but none of those were by anybody that'll probably be with the team Opening Day.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/03/23, 11:09:46 AM
I watched the 9th inning last night (must have been a replay) what a clown show that was. There was some ass chewing in that Tampa dugout after that game I would guess.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/03/23, 11:17:29 AM
I watched the 9th inning last night (must have been a replay) what a clown show that was. There was some ass chewing in that Tampa dugout after that game I would guess.   :rotflmao:
What happened?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/03/23, 12:40:34 PM
Twins had 1 hit going into the 9th and trailed 2-1.
I think they won 4-2 and had 1 more hit. A bunch of walks and stolen bases and errant throws by the catcher who was brutal. To say they were like a Babe Ruth team would be a insult to Babe Ruth teams everywhere.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/05/23, 09:20:34 AM
On youtube I saw a side by side of the new 15 second pitch rule beside the old way with a pitcher and the batter killing all kinds of time.  If I find it again I will post it.  Great change.  Why are the bases bigger?  Can't they see them?  LOL
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/05/23, 09:56:32 AM
Bases larger to cut down on injuries. Especially on double plays and stolen attempts.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/06/23, 07:52:41 AM
We watched the last half of the game yesterday and didn't recognize a lot of names. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/09/23, 09:42:51 AM
 :scratch: I see MLB has hired 1 from AT&T Sportsnet, & 2 Bally Sports guys to help produce the local games this season. I imagine there's a lot to be done if they're going to be ready in at least 14 & maybe 17 different markets by Opening Day, which is 3/30 this year. https://ballparkdigest.com/2023/03/01/mlb-ramps-up-production-team-for-local-baseball-broadcasts/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/12/23, 10:28:48 AM
 :scratch: Been a few days, so a little of the latest..https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/spring-training-injury-updates/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/16/23, 07:53:00 AM
 I see the St Paul Saints have been sold. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/st-paul-saints-sold-to-new-ownership-group/ar-AA18FMoY
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/16/23, 08:29:42 AM
The interviews KFAN's Dan Bararrio did with Mike Veeck were very good.  I reckon there will be one more in the very near future (if he didn't already to it yesterday).

Mike could spin stories.  He was responsible Disco Demolition Night.  :bonk: :police:

This Day In Sports: A different way of dissing disco (https://www.ktvb.com/article/opinion/columnists/scott-slant/july-12-this-day-in-sports-disco-demolition-night-chicago-white-sox-comiskey-park-bill-veeck-promotional-stunts-eddie-gaedel/277-5027f9a6-ce19-4053-bfc4-8657bcd44e6b)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/16/23, 09:08:17 AM
Diamond Sorts Holdings.........they must be affiliated with the Twins ownership. Isn't that awards deal at the end of the season put on by these guys?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/16/23, 11:22:35 AM
It's Diamond Baseball Holdings & they bought the Twins AA team back in December too. The article says they now own 14 minor league teams, so it's more than just the Twins affiliates. http://www.diamondbaseballholdings.com/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/20/23, 07:27:54 AM
 :scratch: I know it's not the Twins but I've been watching the WBC the last couple nights. The US squad won a close game against Venezuela Saturday night but blew out Cuba last night, so they are in the Finals on Tuesday. Mexico plays Japan tonight for the right to play the US tomorrow. All games on FS1 at 6, if anyone's interested. Pretty sure I'll be watchin. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/21/23, 05:50:58 AM
Seen this yday https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/amid-bankruptcy-bally-sports-north-plans-to-televise-153-twins-games  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/22/23, 07:46:48 AM
 Watched Buxton take a few swings yday but he was the DH. Taylor got the start in CF.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/22/23, 06:27:48 PM
  :scratch: They brought this up yday too. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/twins-to-use-byron-buxton-as-designated-hitter/ar-AA18WPuz
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/22/23, 06:36:16 PM
I guess it makes sense.  Keep his bat in the lineup and use his speed on the bases.  Can't do that if he is dinged up playing in the outfield all the time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/22/23, 07:13:30 PM
i'm waiting to hear Dutchy's take on china doll!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/23/23, 05:04:21 AM
 :scratch: I'm pretty sure it won't be :cheerleader: :party1: :happybounce:!!  :nerd:          :rolleyes:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/25/23, 09:53:36 AM
 :scratch: They must like what they've seen so far. https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/pablo-lopez-named-opening-day-starter-for-minnesota-twins
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/29/23, 09:07:36 AM
 The MLB Season Opener is tomorrow & for the 1st time ever all 30 teams are starting on the same day. The Twins are in KC @ 3:10 tomorrow, it doesn't look like it's on TV though. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/29/23, 04:37:09 PM
The bigger news is Buxton should be healthy for game 2 unless he needs a rest day.   :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/30/23, 07:05:32 AM
  :scratch: Might depend on who the day 2 starter for KC is too, as they have 2 leftys, Larnach & Gordon, listed as DH on the depth chart.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/30/23, 07:12:09 AM
I looked and it is on here.  Still on Bally Sports.  My fingers are crossed.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/30/23, 07:37:41 AM
We don't get that down here, but when I looked yday I didn't see anything about it being on TV.  :scratch: Now, I see it does. :confused: I was wondering what was going on as according to this they are covering almost all the games that somebody else isn't. https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/amid-bankruptcy-bally-sports-north-plans-to-televise-153-twins-games
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/30/23, 06:41:14 PM
Opening day victory for our 1st place MN Twinkies! 
 :Clap: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :Clap: :toast:

I tuned in to watch a bit of it in the middle innings and happened to catch the best action.

Lopez worked out of a jam in the bottom of the 5th, bases loaded, 1 out, 3-0 count.  He got a grounder to first and got the double play.

Twins up in the 6th and Buxton legs out a triple.  He went on to score and the Twins got another run in the same inning.

It was bullpens the rest of the way for both teams and the game ended 2-0.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/30/23, 06:52:07 PM
1-161 record huh!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/30/23, 07:14:06 PM
Nice job by the pitchers but we can't forget it's the Royals. Buxton looked like Glenn rounding second, the speed burner of the past is over. Either that or he is hurt much worse than the Twinks are letting on.

Tough early schedule, hopefully they can hit better than last year. I'm positive the starters will be better and also sure Rocko will burn up the bullpen. Glad it's baseball season!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/31/23, 06:36:22 AM
1-161 record huh!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:tut: I thought you had some Gopher hockey you were going to watch. :nerd:  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/31/23, 08:45:27 AM
1-161 record huh!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:tut: I thought you had some Gopher hockey you were going to watch. :nerd:  :rolleyes: :laugh:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :bonk: :bonk: :bonk: funny guy!!!!!!

                                                :sleazy: :mooning: :mooning: :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/31/23, 02:16:05 PM
just read a stat that  opening day baseball, stolen bases where way up. contributing factors with a pitcher only being allowed 2 pickoff attempts and the 3rd had to be an out and the bases being bigger, making the distance 4 1/2 ft shorter!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/31/23, 02:42:15 PM
just read a stat that  opening day baseball, stolen bases where way up. contributing factors with a pitcher only being allowed 2 pickoff attempts and the 3rd had to be an out and the bases being bigger, making the distance 4 1/2 ft shorter!!!!!
1st to 2nd is 4.5 INCHES shorter, not feet.   :embarrassed:

I know they made the bases bigger, but not that much bigger.   :bonk:

Home to 1st and 3rd to home are each 3" closer.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/31/23, 02:44:40 PM
 :rotflmao: :pouty: ok i misguided everyone!!!!!!! :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/31/23, 03:07:26 PM
I didn't know that bit about subsequent pick-off attempts.  I thought the pitcher was done done after 2, which would let the runner take as long as a lead as they wanted.  But that makes no sense either.

The pitcher can throw over again, but he better get the batter out, otherwise he is charged with a balk. 

And that applies to the pitcher just stepping off the rubber - whether they throw over or not.  Any time they step off, it counts as a disengagement - and they only get two free-ones.

See... you edu-ma-cated me.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on March 03/31/23, 04:48:47 PM
That's funny Gunner! I do like the early season afternoon games, I haven't watched an inning yet so I'm sure it'll be different.  I get having Buxton not getting hurt, but paying him that much to be DH? Crazy. Kinda like Kaprizov only playing during power plays...
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/02/23, 08:01:15 AM
Another 2-0 shutout yday, Buxton scored both runs. Gray got the win, & Ryan gets the ball today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/02/23, 08:11:32 AM
Interesting start for Buxton. Game 1 he looks like a plow horse running on his triple, game 2 he does a face plant sliding into second. Twins did the great escape yesterday. Gray wasn't very sharp.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/02/23, 08:12:50 AM
We watched a lot of the game yesterday.  So nice to see the pace pick up.  I really liked Arriez sp but between every pitch he had to do his gloves and all of that.  Others did too.  Glad to not see that anymore.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/02/23, 08:15:49 AM
We watched a lot of the game yesterday.  So nice to see the pace pick up.  I really liked Arriez sp but between every pitch he had to do his gloves and all of that.  Others did too.  Glad to not see that anymore.
:evil: mayhaps iffin you werent so glued to the game cooper wouldnt of helped himself to your supper goodies!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/02/23, 08:17:56 AM
You are right again.   :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/02/23, 08:23:04 AM
You are right again.   :sleazy:
:rotflmao: well your dogs brother aint any better!!!!!!!! :doah: :surrender: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/02/23, 05:50:29 PM
3-0 on the young season as they head for Miami. Gallo hit his first 2 homeruns today and the pitching was good enough although Pagan was shaky at the end.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/02/23, 06:13:15 PM
So Pagan is picking up right where he left off, eh? :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/02/23, 09:32:41 PM
Good thing they had a big lead.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/03/23, 07:57:53 AM
Good thing they had a big lead.
:scratch: & most likely why he got his 1st chance of the year too. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/04/23, 07:35:25 AM
Another good start, only 2 needed out of the bullpen :cool:, along with 4 HR, & they're 4-0.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/07/23, 11:33:54 AM
 :scratch: https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/mlb_files_emergency_motion_could_terminate_rights_deals/s1_17145_38668749 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/07/23, 11:36:44 AM
apparently they think the Twinkies arent worth covering!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/07/23, 11:57:36 AM
Instead of Welcome to Twins Territory, their new slogan should be Welcome to Fly-Over Territory.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/07/23, 07:59:14 PM
apparently they think the Twinkies arent worth covering!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:doah: No they're just...........................cheap  :moon: like you. :nerd: :evil:          :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/08/23, 07:59:12 AM
They weren't on our TV schedule but they were on Bally but just not listed since the day was changed.  Heck of a game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/10/23, 02:03:52 PM
So far so good for the first 1/16th of the season... 6-3 with a 1/2 game lead over the GuardI(ndi)ans.   :happy1:

But its a marathon, not a sprint.  :bonk:

It was fun watching Sonny Gray strike out 13 - a career high for him. 

I hope these guys can stay healthy enough to be competitive all year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/11/23, 08:17:29 AM
Maeda hung a slider in the 4th for a 3R HR or it could've been a W otherwise. Sox starter was # 2 in Cy Young voting last season & is always tough on the Twins. Their defense almost cost 'em as 2 of the 3 runs were unearned. Got to watch it on the Chicago channel, late game today(~6:30)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/12/23, 07:13:23 AM
What a finish last night.  10th inning and we had a guy or two on base, 2 outs when Taylor I think was running to first and the throw bounced off his helmet so the guy on third was able to score.  Will watch replays today. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/12/23, 07:51:03 AM
Actually. Every extra inning starts with a guy on second. Taylor was bunting to get him to third. The pitcher fielded the bunt and when throwing to first hit him in the helmet and the ball went into right field. The runner scored from second to win the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/12/23, 07:57:37 AM
Ya that's right.  Thanks Ken.  I woke up just in time to see the play.  lol
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/13/23, 08:01:39 AM
 :scratch: Actually, I think it was Alberto's, 3B, throw that allowed Castro to score & that was his 2nd error in 2 days. Another good game yday, good thing Castro & Taylor got 'em 2 runs in the 8th. Another nice start from Gray even though he was sick. Ryan gets the ball tonight in NY @ 6:05
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/13/23, 08:04:14 AM
So what ever happened to the guy who used to be our closer that was treaded away,  Taylor Rodgers?  Did he pan out as a good pitcher?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/13/23, 08:18:51 AM
He went to SD at the start of last season & pitched pretty good for them for about the 1st 1/2 of the year. But he couldn't get anybody out from about the All Star Game on & he even lost his job as closer. So they traded him in August to the Brewers for their big name closer, Hader, who was also struggling & about to be a FA at the end of last season too. Rogers is now with SF, who he just signed a $33 mil/3 yr deal with in December.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/13/23, 10:59:41 AM
So what ever happened to the guy who used to be our closer that was treaded away,  Taylor Rodgers?  Did he pan out as a good pitcher?
they had a blurb about him pitching just last week somewhere i seen.........he threw some really nasty pitch thtamade the batter look a bit foolish!!!!! :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/13/23, 08:24:08 PM
Anyone watching the Twins in the Bronx??

13 batters in the first inning and 9 runs. 4 homeruns.

 :happy1: :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/13/23, 08:54:36 PM
Nice to see 'em only need 2 pitchers too, gotta help the bullpen for the rest of the series. Not many games like that out there in the last 5-10 years that I remember.  :happy1: :cool: Couldn't watch it live but caught the last 2 on the desktop though.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/23, 07:30:37 AM
I read where they're going to skip Maeda's turn in the rotation today & push back Mahle's next start to tomorrow. So, they're calling up Varland for tonight's (6:05) game. Maeda (arm) is listed as day to day on the IL. Farmer has been placed on the 10-day IL too, after getting hit in the face on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/14/23, 07:32:50 AM
We tuned in during the second inning and couldn't believe that the score was correct.  Fun game.  Their guy pitching the last inning reminded us of Astudillo when he pitched that time.  Funny as heck but worked.  We miss him.  He was fun to have around.  Where is he now?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/23, 07:54:35 AM
He played last season for the Marlins but last fall he signed to play in Japan this season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/14/23, 07:57:18 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/23, 08:36:47 PM
 Wow, 2 in a row from NYY out there. :happy1: :cool: Garlick & Correa got the big hits, only 2 hits in 3 innings from the bullpen. :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/15/23, 06:43:54 AM
How cool is that?   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/15/23, 07:58:17 AM
Glad to see Pagan have a good outing too, going to need him. Can't have too much bullpen help.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/17/23, 03:14:50 PM
 :scratch: Looks like the Twins must've liked what they seen so far. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36215166/reports-pablo-lopez-finalizing-4-year-735m-deal-twins The deal is done & he's now a Twin through 2028. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/17/23, 03:39:54 PM
So far, so good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/18/23, 07:43:32 AM
He needs to pass a physical before it's official & they announce it. He already had TJ surgery back in '14, so I hope he can stay healthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/18/23, 09:16:57 PM
Why is Moran still on this team.....He was a loser last year. Get rid of that bum.  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/19/23, 07:43:39 AM
  :scratch: Only other lefty in the bullpen is the guy from Northfield & Moran's ERA was better, .221/.349, last year. Not so this season though, .771/.360. Not sure if there's any lefty relievers in St Paul either. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/19/23, 03:02:45 PM
The only reason he is there is because he is left handed. They should have known that after last year. Theilbar is a lefty out there. He had already pitched an inning.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/19/23, 03:24:04 PM
They haven't had enough good lefty pitchers of any kind for at least the last 5 years IMO.  :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on April 04/19/23, 04:38:32 PM
This might be a dumb question.  But why is it managers don't like batting a lefty against a lefty but righty against righty is normal? I was watching a lefty the other day throwing from the far right side of the rubber as was the right-hander...
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on April 04/19/23, 06:32:08 PM
This might be a dumb question.  But why is it managers don't like batting a lefty against a lefty but righty against righty is normal? I was watching a lefty the other day throwing from the far right side of the rubber as was the right-hander...

I have wondered that too.... :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/19/23, 08:03:27 PM
Analytics & matchups, or as they're called now splits. Nowadays, not many hitters hit both RH & LH pitchers equally. Most pitchers are much better against certain type of hitters too. Sometime it's even about what the pitcher's best pitch is & what the hitter doesn't usually do well with.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/20/23, 08:16:48 AM
Left Handed Batter Vs. a Right Handed Pitcher (https://www.sportsrec.com/5950567/left-handed-batter-vs-a-right-handed-pitcher)

The main reason left-handed hitters prefer to hit against right-handers (and vice-versa) is that breaking pitches will curve toward the batter, which makes them easier to hit. When a left-handed batter faces a lefty pitcher, breaking balls bend away. The hitter is likely to take a weaker swing as he lunges after the ball going toward the other side of the plate.

Additionally, the left-hander’s curve ball may travel straight toward a lefty hitter before the ball begins to break. The batter -- particularly at youth levels -- may instinctively back off of home plate to avoid being hit, leaving him no chance to connect if it curves over the plate for a strike.

And here is a much more technical article...

What Really Gives Left-Handed Pitchers Their Edge? (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-really-gives-left-handed-pitchers-their-edge/)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/22/23, 04:28:05 PM
Really good pitching really went in the tank the last 2 days against one of the worst teams in MLB. :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/22/23, 04:33:10 PM
They looked pretty sluggish today.  I have always wondered if a hitter can change sides of the plate.  I saw a youtube thing from the past and the batter came up and the pitcher lined up to pitch left.  The batter stepped to the other side of the plate.  The pitcher who could pitch either way changed hands.  They went back and forth a few times until the ump stopped them.  Pretty famous video I suppose.   That started the rule that the batter can't change sides once he steps up to the plate on a side. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/23/23, 08:02:19 AM
Really good pitching really went in the tank the last 2 days against one of the worst teams in MLB. :confused: :confused:
They're having trouble scoring runs as the bats have went kind of quiet the last 10 games too.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/23/23, 08:11:26 AM
Have lost 6 0f the last 7 games. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/23/23, 08:20:31 AM
Only scored 20 times in those 7 too. :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/24/23, 07:34:58 AM
They only allow 3 hits & Ober gets his 1st W of the season. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/25/23, 07:23:04 PM
Gunner the Twins aren't on.  Can't you do something about that?  LOL   Can't even stream it unless I join MLB tv.  Oh well their loss.  Must be due to Hockey and NBA stuff. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/25/23, 07:52:36 PM
I have Direct TV. It has 3 Bally stations..... Bally, Bally1, and Bally2.

Regular Bally has the Wild Playoff Game, Bally1 has the Wolves Playoff Game, and Ball2 has the Twins game. Ryan pitching against the Yanks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/25/23, 07:58:24 PM
I have cable.  I do have two Bally's but not the one with Twins. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/25/23, 08:15:31 PM
Gunner the Twins aren't on.  Can't you do something about that?  LOL   Can't even stream it unless I join MLB tv.  Oh well their loss.  Must be due to Hockey and NBA stuff. 
No Bally stations here but.......................... I can look & see how they are doing here................................https://www.espn.com/mlb/game?gameId=401471369 Not streaming but Gamecast or Play by Play will keep you pretty closely up to date. Up 4-2 on a 2 R HR that Buxton just hit after Polanco led off the 6th with a 2B.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/25/23, 08:41:39 PM
Now 6-2.......lets see if the Bullpen can hold the lead for 2 innings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/23, 06:54:30 AM
Lopez & Duran only give up 1 hit on 25 pitches out of the Bullpen for the Twins to win the season series from NYY for the 1st time in over 20 years.  :happybounce: Ryan becomes the 1st to have 5 wins in MLB this season too. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/26/23, 08:02:20 AM
Shouldn't have a broadcast problem in the future......Wolves season ended last night and Wild are 1 game away from ending theirs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/23, 06:33:47 AM
 :scratch: Mahle looked good for 3 innings but not the 4th but I liked what I saw from Stewart, hope he keeps it up. I hope it's not too serious with Mahle either.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/23, 04:39:37 PM
Well.....so much for the bullpen. OFF DAY

Lopez and Duran can't get the ball over the plate in the 8th and 9th. Duran's wild pitch was 3 feet outside to score the winning run. :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/29/23, 04:51:43 PM
That was one of the wildest wild pitches I have seen. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/30/23, 06:04:58 AM
 :scratch: I thought it was going to happen in Friday's game too, but didn't. Going 0-11 with RISP, 10 hits/2 runs, doesn't win many games either. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/30/23, 07:54:17 PM
 :scratch: 4-11 with RISP today, big difference!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/30/23, 08:22:03 PM
:scratch: 4-11 with RISP today, big difference!!!!
:pouty: :coffee: who cares. :confused: not me!!! :doofus:

         :mooning: :mooning: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/23, 07:17:52 AM
What is RISP?  The wife just told me Runners in scoring position.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/01/23, 07:36:00 PM
 Winning the team RISP & 2 out RBI stats usually means they scored enough runs to win at least 75-80% of the time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/23, 08:16:43 AM
I've been too busy to pay attention to the Twins lately.  3 game lead over the Guardi-Indians.  :happy1:
Lucky the Twinks aren't in the AL East... 17 wins would only be good enough for 4th place.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/03/23, 08:53:36 PM
Bullpen caves again. Jax giving up the winning run in back to back games. This needs to change.
 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/04/23, 08:10:15 AM
Actually, it was Lopez & Thielbar that gave up the 3 runs when Ryan started. Jax never gave up a hit, Stewart walked the bases full in front of Thielbar though. The bullpen has been spotty at best. They try to avoid the sweep today, 1:10 1st pitch. Lopez gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/04/23, 06:41:56 PM
Lopez goes 7 & only gives up 2 runs. Buxton's HR in the 8th ties it & the bats come alive in the 12th for a 7-3 win. The bullpen pitches the final 5 innings & almost spotless. Pagan gets the W.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/04/23, 06:54:30 PM
Pitched out of some sticky situations. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on May 05/04/23, 07:07:00 PM
watched the last 2 innings, good stuff!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/05/23, 06:02:58 AM
Busy day & nice out, so I didn't see much after the bottom of the 6th. Seen they'd won & had to check the box score. Had to be a wild 12th with them scoring 5 runs on only 2 hits.  :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/05/23, 07:27:09 PM
Crap......Game is on Apple TV. Not subscribing for just 1 game. Watch Gamecast on ESPN.

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/05/23, 08:45:59 PM
Twins win 2-0. Ober making a case for himself. Giving up 3 hits. Keplar with a 2 run home run.....440 feet.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/06/23, 07:52:50 AM
The wife did a free sign up with Apple.  First 3 months free then $6.99 a month if we forget to cancel before then.  SO how many games will they put on there?  You know they are just getting us used to the upcoming pay for view of all games eventually.   :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/06/23, 07:56:29 AM
Some good work by the bullpen yday too. Only 28 pitches for 6 outs. They're going to need a lot more pitching like that if they don't get the bats going pretty soon. They're currently 28th in team batting average (.225), ahead of only Cleveland & Seattle. Kiriloff & a starting pitcher called up & Larnach to St Paul. Thielbar to the 15-day IL & Mahle goes to the 60-day as well.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/06/23, 08:14:03 AM
 :pouty: I posted this before.........................but here it is again.  ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/amid-bankruptcy-bally-sports-north-plans-to-televise-153-twins-games. Bottom of the page it says whats on Apple.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/06/23, 08:24:51 AM
Looks like 2 more on Apple.

Fox has 2 games this summer. But everybody gets Fox.

I saw that the Wolves will broadcast their own games next season and not on a regional network like Bally.

Major Leage Baseball looks like they will pick up local broadcasts.

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Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/06/23, 11:26:08 AM
 :scratch: It looks like Peacock has 1 too, 7/2, @ Baltimore.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/06/23, 01:19:27 PM
I see that.  Looks like we will be missing that one.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/07/23, 07:48:35 AM
 :scratch: Thought they were gonna come back & get yday's game but Alcala's pitch to Kwan got just a little too much of the plate. :rolleyes: Gray's 4th inning was just plain :crazy: too. They can still win the series, Ryan gets the ball with a 12:40 1st pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/07/23, 08:02:03 PM
Been a show of hitting ineptitude. 1 lowsy hit today. wasted start for Ryan, who took his first loss.

Twins are 28th in team batting average out of 30 MLB teams. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/08/23, 07:18:29 AM
I agree Ken, Gray only allowed 3 runs & could've easily won his game too.  :pouty: Way too many strikeouts, only 1 team has more.  :sad: According to ESPN's stats this AM their .220 BA is dead last in all of MLB. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/10/23, 01:09:57 PM
Correa not hiting his weight. Correa is now hitting a miserable .185 to start the season, striking out 30 times in his 124 at-bats, hitting five home runs and accumulating 15 RBI.  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

He was booed his final 2 at bats last night. When asked about the booing. He said he would be booing him too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/11/23, 07:52:08 AM
 :scratch: Didn't watch last night & they won............................ :confused: A big hit by Kirilloff :cool: & alittle magic by Jax late, the way it looks to me. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/11/23, 04:37:44 PM
Mahle out for the season......Tommy John surgery.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/11/23, 07:21:03 PM
Tomorrows game with the Cubs is on Apple TV again :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:  :mad1: :mad1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/12/23, 08:14:50 AM
Another nice start from Ober & some production from the RBI guys for 2 in a row. :happy1: Bullpen had 3 scoreless innings too.  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/12/23, 12:18:48 PM
I ain't callin' for anyone's head, but something has got to change because the "Twins Way" of building a pitching staff ain't workin':  one step forward, two steps back.

Another Twins trade debacle as Tyler Mahle needs Tommy John surgery (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/another-twins-trade-debacle-as-tyler-mahle-needs-tommy-john-surgery)

Sam Dyson in 2019. Chris Paddack in 2021. And now Tyler Mahle in 2023.

Mahle is now the third pitcher in four years who hasn't panned out due to injuries after being acquired by the Twins in a trade. All of those trades were executed by the front office duo of Derek Falvey and Thad Levine.

The Tyler Mahle Trade Was Still the Right Trade (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/the-tyler-mahle-trade-was-still-the-right-trade-r14211/)

Looking at the trade, there is no other way to frame it than to say that the trade was a failure for the Twins. Tyler Mahle contributed only 0.5 fWAR in his time in Minnesota, while Spencer Steer has already reached the majors with the Cincinnati Reds and Christian Encarnacion-Strand has a 1.103 OPS in 69 plate appearances in AAA. The front office made a poor trade that will only get worse as time goes on and the prospects they let go continue to perform.

Even though the Mahle trade was a failure, and the front office would surely take the trade back if they could, it was still the right trade to make at the time.

For years, everyone in Twins Territory had been clamoring for the Minnesota Twins to acquire a front-line starting pitcher. At the time of the trade, the Twins were in first place in the American League Central, but their starting pitchers ranked 18th in baseball with a 4.19 ERA. The Twins were a legitimate starting pitcher away from being a real threat to make the playoffs and make noise in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/12/23, 08:31:59 PM
You might want to go back 4-5 years and compare that staff to what we have now.

There just is no way of making some people happy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/12/23, 08:44:52 PM
Who are these Twins you speak of! :scratch: :rotflmao: :moon: :sad: :evil:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/13/23, 05:56:16 AM
They are currently #4 in MLB with a 3.36 team ERA, Gray is in fact leading the league with a 1.39. Gray was a FA but both Ryan & Lopez came in recent trades for Nelson Cruz & Arreaz, respectively. Ober & Varland are the only starters who have come up through the organization.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/13/23, 03:12:24 PM
Aside from bloggers who live in mom's basement, who has time to analyze everything... but if I did have time, it would be interesting to look at the other teams' trade records.  It would be interesting to know which front offices excel.

I admit I've got that MN inferiority complex and see things too pessimistically.  Desperate for a winner, MN teams often seem to overpay for underperformers and trade prospects away who pan out for other teams.  But then I mostly see MN failures, not the rest of the teams.  :embarrassed:

I'm not sure a MN sports team has fleeced another organization since the Vikings traded Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin to the Seattle Seahawks.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/13/23, 03:51:40 PM
You are probably right.....BUT Minnesota getting fleeced is easy.....The biggest fleecing of all time anywhere....

Hershel Walker from the Cowboys.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/13/23, 04:42:23 PM
Lousy hitting for a week.....all of a sudden it's Home Run Derby. :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/14/23, 07:31:32 AM
 :scratch: A different looking batting order yday, wonder if we won't see the same today. Ryan did a great job when they had guys on base or it might've been a different game. Varland vs their #1 SP, Stroman, today.................1:10 1st pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/14/23, 11:49:46 AM
Kepler on IR.....Larnack called back up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/14/23, 07:58:18 PM
Kepler on IR.....Larnack called back up.
He went 2 for 4 with 4 RBI. Only 1 without a hit was Castro & he never had an at bat. Gallo dinged his hammy late, but Rocco says he expects him to play in LA tomorrow. Another quality start from Varland.   :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/15/23, 07:50:04 AM
 :scratch: Dodgers have been hot for the last week or 2, hope the Twins can keep the bats going.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/15/23, 04:50:34 PM
Tonight's pitcher for the Dodgers has been shakey. next 2 nights a lot tougher. Especially Kershaw tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/15/23, 09:15:42 PM
Just tuned in.  Doubt I will make it all.  Would love to see them win.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/15/23, 09:39:19 PM
Still... our lads managed to give up 3 in the bottom of the 1st.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/16/23, 07:43:43 AM
Losing 9-8 in extra innings. Poor pitching and not enough clutch hitting. Whole team was at fault with this loss. Kershaw will be tough tonight.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/17/23, 06:02:28 AM
Ober out duels Kershaw allowing only 1 run in 6 innings, Farmer has 3 RBIs on a single & a 2R HR in the 9th for a 5-1 win. :happy1: :cool: Kershaw was off & only made it 4 innings, throwing 90 pitches. The Twins ran wild too, stealing 4 bases for the 1st time since 2017. Gray takes the mound for a 2:10 start today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/17/23, 08:01:46 AM
I read that this is the first time we have played there since 2005. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/17/23, 08:16:57 AM
Yup......2-11 at Dodger Stadium. :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/17/23, 10:26:25 AM
The Twins ran wild too, stealing 4 bases for the 1st time since 2017.
Bremmer was thinking there might have been something wrong with the catcher's throwing arm.  He said he was throwing side arm or even submarine to get the ball to 2nd base.  He must have been hurt.

Buxton was on 1st and a threat to steal.  Kershaw made one legit pick off attempt with Buxton back safe.  Next pitch Kershaw made a light toss over to 1st.

Remember, the pitcher ONLY gets two tosses over to first - if he does it again, he either needs to record an out or Buxton takes 2nd on a balk.

Kershaw, thinking that Buxton MIGHT take off now that the 2nd pick-off attempt had been made, threw over to 1st for the 3rd time, but Buxton wasn't fooled.  Buxton takes 2nd on a balk. 

Bremmer had never seen that happen this season, and again figured it was their best shot at picking off buxton because the catcher was having problems thowing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/17/23, 09:05:11 PM
 They scored a run in the 5th without a hit :cool:, small ball, would love to see more of it. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/18/23, 05:01:38 AM
Pagan couldn't find his cutter & Gordon to the IL, a fractured shin. :pouty: I didn't see all of Tuesday's game, but did hear 'em say 4 SB & the box score still says that. :scratch: But, your right S-o, that would be a balk & not a SB.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/18/23, 07:09:34 AM
I didn't pay too much attention to the LA series... I just happened to see the Kershaw/Buxton sequence.

Maybe you guys who have been watching closer have a more informed opinion, but Pagan is the bullpen guy I trust least.  Maybe they didn't have anyone else to use in that situation.  Maybe the manager thinks he has to keep giving Pagan opportunities to figure it out.  But until he does, it's costing the Twins games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/18/23, 07:31:32 AM
He got shelled early out in Boston, but he's been pretty good the last 2-3 weeks. Personally, I like Jax better as he's more consistent IMO. Yeah, a lot of the bullpen was unavailable after the 1st 2 games. It does seem like Rocco has been giving Pagan the ball when the game isn't really in question, lately, to see if he can figure it out. They are going to need Pagan, but they really miss Thielbar as he comes in & throws strikes.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/19/23, 07:42:05 AM
 I kind of like this Stweart that was brought up when Thielbar got hurt too. He has 2 wicked breaking pitches & they go both directions, so he's tough on right & lefthanded batters both. Good movement on his fastball too & throws 95+. Sure hope they keep him around. The Angels at 8:30 tonight, Ryan starting.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/19/23, 08:12:52 AM
Twins do not have ANYONE in the top 20 in ANY hitting category in MLB. That's average, home runs, or  RBI's.  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/20/23, 07:18:28 AM
Another quality start from Ryan but Jax allows 2 runs late again, he's 2-6, & the Twins lose. :pouty: Another late game tonight, 9:00, & Varland gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/20/23, 07:54:55 AM
Between Jax and Moran, might as well give them the game. Jax especially lately can't hold a lead. Losing to many games in the late and extra innings. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/21/23, 05:43:55 AM
 :scratch: But then Moran only needs 9 pitches to get out of the 2 on/nobody out jam in the 6th yday.  :rolleyes: He has good stuff but he often struggles with his control. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/21/23, 05:59:29 AM
Couple of observations on relief pitchers.

1) They have a short shelf life.
2) The other teams hitters get paid to hit and win games.
3) Giving the same guy the same situations game after game won't work.

Send down another position player or two and bring another pitcher or two up. Position players need to play daily and not be utility / spot players to stay sharp. Pitchers need to pitch but not in high leverage situations day after day.

Twins pitching this year far exceeds what I expected. The hitting is far underachieving, so who's really to blame for those losses?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/23/23, 02:58:17 PM
Buxton said when the Twins were playing Kershaw from the Dodgers last week that the Twins hitters are Nasty..... :bs: :bs: :bs:

Twins batters have struck out 63 times in the last five games. Only the Angels (65) have struck out more in the past week of MLB action, though they've played one more game so the Twins are striking out more times per game since Buxton's "nasty" comment than any team in the majors.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/23/23, 03:52:45 PM
Of the 54 outs in the last 2 games, 29 were strikeouts. :doah: The game they won against the Angels, they only struck out 7 times.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/23/23, 09:53:25 PM
Getting to be tough to watch.....Hitters not hitting. tonight losing because the bullpen gives up TWO bases loaded walks.  :puke: :puke: :puke:

Pretty tough with 10 players on IR. Larnack added yesterday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/24/23, 07:19:49 AM
The Twins are the MLB leaders with 486 K for the season :pouty:, followed pretty closely by the Astros & the Braves.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/24/23, 07:27:34 AM
My brothers and I did a bet for total wins.  I took 79 one brother took 84 and one took 86.  SO I have up to 81 and my brother has 82-85 and the other everything over that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/24/23, 03:52:23 PM
Finally get the win. Though sloppy play by San Fran helped quite a bit. Bullpen did their job. Could tell Doran was well rested. Flame throwing at up to 105 mph. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/24/23, 07:13:30 PM
Ryan had to throw 107 pitches in 5 innings but was at his best with RISP. Julien gave 'em a spark & they played some pretty solid D.  :happy1: Stole home too.  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/26/23, 06:36:30 AM
Varland takes the mound tonight, 7:10 1st pitch against Toronto.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/26/23, 09:09:07 AM
A two game lead in the AL Central is the same as being 10.5 games back (last) in the AL East or 5.5 games (second-to-last) in the AL West.  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/26/23, 10:55:47 AM
Yeah......Twins are in the worst division in Baseball. They are the only ones above .500. :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/26/23, 01:52:09 PM
Friday is a big day for the Minnesota Twins because it could be the day when $200 million shortstop Carlos Correa goes on the injured list.

Correa missed games Tuesday and Wednesday due to what the Twins originally said was a sore heel, but it turns out that he's since been diagnosed with a muscle strain in his left foot arch and plantar fasciitis, according John Shipley of the Pioneer Press.

“I think we get to Friday and some of our decisions might be made for us,” Twins manager Rocco Baldelli said

What's concerning is that plantar fasciitis is one of those things that doesn't typically go away very fast. According to the Mayo Clinic, "most people" with plantar fasciitis "recover in several months with conservative treatment, such as icing the painful area, stretching, and modifying or avoiding activities that cause pain."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/26/23, 03:02:35 PM
Hmmm.  I hope it really is ONLY planar fasciitis and NOT a reaggravation of the mysterious injury that kept two other teams from signing Correa in the offseason.   :doah:

Either way, the move is starting to look like a bust.  36 hits for 169 At-Bats with 6 HR for an average of .312, 63 points BELOW is career average.

Heckova defensive player, but right now this team needs offense.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/26/23, 05:41:29 PM
Not a bust. He isn't doing any worse than anu of the other so called stars on this team.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on May 05/26/23, 06:28:10 PM
sounds like he's playing...
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/26/23, 08:13:30 PM
Yup.....must not have been as bad as they thought. He is in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/27/23, 03:16:42 PM
Here is the biggest problem with the Twins. These are the 2 highest paid players and always hit in the top 3 of the batting order. They are number 2 in pitching ERA in the league. And leading the league in strikeouts.

"Buxton is hitting .147 with RISP and Correa isn't much better at .175. Combined, they have 74 at-bats with runners in scoring position and just 12 hits. The rest of the team is 87-for-309, good for a .281 batting average with runners in scoring position."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/27/23, 07:34:33 PM
So, assuming you want to sit $50 million in payroll who do you want in their places?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/28/23, 06:14:12 AM
Just about anyone from St Paul can hit .147. And not strike out 3 out of 4 at bats.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/28/23, 07:37:10 AM
 :huh: I thought Correa was just starting to hit in the last week again. In fact, he's been in 3 games in the last week & he's 4 for 11. :confused: Buxton, on the other hand, is just 4 for 21 in the last 7 days in which he's played 5 times. Buxton leads in K's too, 7 to 2, :pouty: but he did get a hit in his final at bat yday & sometimes that's all it takes.  :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/28/23, 08:16:42 AM
It's a moot point. As long as both are healthy they play. You can argue that they should bat in different places in the order but you can't argue they stay in the lineup. Both are capable of 4-4, 2 homerun, 5 rbi days plus they are gold glove fielders. There is nobody like that in St. Paul.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/28/23, 10:32:35 AM
Royce Lewis will be there shorty. He can outhit Correa. DH isn't difficult to fill.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/28/23, 11:01:18 AM
Anybody who thinks that Royce Lewis at this point in his career is better than Correa is drinking the Kool-Aid. Lewis had a good audition but he hasn't proven squat yet. You can see Miranda at triple A.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/28/23, 11:18:53 AM
Drinking the Kool Aid can be applied to letting Buxton and Correa hit under 200 with runners in scoring position. I guess we will see about Lewis and if their top 2 paid players start doing their jobs.

"The Minnesota Twins have a big decision coming as top prospect Royce Lewis is eligible to return from his rehab assignment Tomorrow.

Lewis is trying to make that decision an easy one as he launched another home run for the St. Paul Saints during a 14-1 win over Omaha on Saturday night."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/28/23, 11:30:39 AM
 :scratch: :scratch: what kind of kool-aid does one drink for the Twins??

I know it's the purple kool-aid with the Vikings.

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/28/23, 11:38:33 AM
Not sure what that would be.  BEER??? 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/28/23, 12:27:18 PM
:scratch: :scratch: what kind of kool-aid does one drink for the Twins??

I know it's the purple kool-aid with the Vikings.

 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:scratch: Smurf Blue!!!!!!1  ;) :rolleyes: :laugh:       
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/28/23, 05:09:27 PM
Another shutout.....As I said.....Buxton again 0 for 4 and 3 more strikeouts. Same old. Same old. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Even the people in the stands were booing him after the third strikeout. I would be to. In fact I will have a chance. My family is going to the Twins/Cleveland game next Saturday. Will be my first time time at Target Field. Hope this hitting slump is over by then. :tut: :tut:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/28/23, 05:29:52 PM
Just think how happy you and your family would be to shell out the big bucks for tickets to have Buxton & Correa both sitting.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/29/23, 02:34:41 AM
Doesn't matter who is on the field if they win. Especially against Cleveland.

Lewis and Keplar both activated today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/30/23, 07:29:41 AM
Somehow the Twins manage to hold their two game lead.  Lewis and Jeffers picked them up yesterday.  Correa, not so much.  :thumbs:  0-for-5, BB, 2 K
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/01/23, 04:00:05 PM
Jorge Polanco has been activated from the injured list and the Twins have optioned infielder Edouard Julien back to Triple-A St. Paul.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/01/23, 04:45:56 PM
Good game last night; scored 8 runs without Buxton and Correa in the lineup.   :scratch:

Varland was great, but it got a little dicey when Lopez gave up to solo homers and put two more men on base with no outs.   :doah:  However Stewart came in and struck out the side.   :happy1:

And that was all she wrote.   :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/01/23, 06:49:57 PM
So just like the other night.  A pitcher comes in and gets 3 outs.  Then they take him out and let another guy pitch to 2 3 or 4 guys and put another guy in even if that pitcher did well.  I don't understand that yet as a fairly new Twins fan.  Leave him in if he is pitching well.   ?????
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/01/23, 07:15:15 PM
By rule each pitcher must face at least 3 batters. Rocco has a really quick hook and rarely lets a pitcher go more than 1 inning.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/01/23, 07:21:25 PM
I can't say I disagree with Rocco when good relievers are hurt and others are not reliable in high leverage situations.  If they can get one full inning out of some of those guys without surrendering the lead, its a win for them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/02/23, 03:56:18 PM
The Minnesota Twins, Arizona Diamondbacks, Cleveland Guardians and Texas Rangers have won their case against Diamond Sports Group in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, with the judge ruling in their favor to receive full payment for the 2023 season as is directed in the previously agreed-upon contracts.

Twins President Dave St. Peter revealed during testimony that Diamond inherited a 12-year contract that previous owner Fox Sports had agreed to with the Twins. That contract ends at the end of this MLB season, which meant contract extension negotiations have been held exclusively between Diamond and the Twins from March 2022 to the end of April 2023.

Earlier this week, Diamond relinquished telecasts rights to the San Diego Padres and Major League Baseball immediately stepped in began broadcasting Padres games the next day.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/02/23, 07:35:03 PM
Game isn't on Bally tonight. The French Open is.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/02/23, 07:47:24 PM
I can't say I disagree with Rocco when good relievers are hurt and others are not reliable in high leverage situations.  If they can get one full inning out of some of those guys without surrendering the lead, its a win for them.
:scratch: Much more than about 20, maybe 25 pitches, & they're usually unavailable to pitch again for 2 days the way the game is played today. Most teams don't have that kind of depth in the bullpen to be able to get away with that too much & win.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/02/23, 07:49:09 PM
Game isn't on Bally tonight. The French Open is.
ESPN says Apple TV+, 0-0 after 3.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/03/23, 06:17:48 AM
Highlights of the 1-0 win.

https://www.google.com/search?q=twins+vs+guardians+tv&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1031US1031&oq=Twins+vs+Guardians&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j0i131i433i512l2j0i3j0i512j0i131i433i512j0i512l3.15164j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:2187ad11,vid:3ZhEkcFWGFo
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/03/23, 08:02:09 AM
Yeah......to bad I couldn't watch it. Well tonight it is on Fox and I will be at the stadium for the first time. Sonny Gray on the mound. Hopeing for a big win.

Will have to see if Buxton and Correa are back in the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/03/23, 08:16:35 AM
Have a good time at the game, Ken.  Twins staring pitching gives fans a legit reason to go out to the ballpark and expect a good show.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/03/23, 08:25:31 AM
 According to the injury report(ESPN), Buxton likely to miss mutiple games but Correa is listed as day-to-day. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/03/23, 07:56:47 PM
Gallo to the IL, Garlick called back up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/04/23, 07:27:25 AM
Cleveland hits only it's 34th & 35th HR of the season :rolleyes:, including the 1st 1 given up by Gray all season for a 4-2 win. Ryan gets the ball today, 1:10 1st pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/04/23, 08:24:01 AM
Gray was not good yesterday. He gave up 10 hits in his 6 innings. If the Cleveland team wasn't such a bad hitting squad they would have pounded him.

Cleveland will remain the team to beat in this division because they have Franconia and he will get them squared away to make a run. Twins will regret not beating these guys up when they had the chance.

Up to Ryan to right the ship.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/04/23, 08:39:34 AM
I like Francona too, they left 11 on base & were 0-8 w/RISP. :scratch: Hard to win very often like that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/04/23, 08:43:27 AM
Decent game to attend. Quite a few people there. Nice evening for a game. I could tell by the second inning that Gray was off. Just a matter of time before they got to him. Left in one inning too long.
Cleveland had 12 hits and left 11 men on. With the 4 that scored. That's 15 men on base. Same old same old.....should still have won with Cleveland only scoring 4 runs and Polonco leading off the game with a home run.

First time at the stadium. Nice place to watch a game.

Did the Twins make a mistake in trading Araeise to Miami????? He is only hitting .390. Could be the first hitter to hit over .400 since 1941. Especially with the way this team is hitting. Keplar needs to go. He isn't hitting his weight.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/04/23, 03:47:45 PM
These are getting tough to watch. Another 1 run game. Great pitching. Cleveland has 3 hits and the Twins lose. Striking out 16 times. Top 5 hitters in your lineup are 0-18.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/05/23, 07:37:33 AM
Good thing they won the 1st 2. Tough road trip comin up after the off day today, 3 with TB, then 3 with Toronto, & they finish with 2 against the Brewers. Hope Lewis is able to play Tuesday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/05/23, 08:39:33 AM
Lets hope they are doing the 'Sota Thing and are playing down to their competition.  Maybe if they start playing good teams again, they'll be a little more focused.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/05/23, 09:07:23 AM
 :scratch: They were 0-7 w/RISP yday  :pouty: & that won't cut it, Cleveland was 1-2. They're now hitting .233 as a team, up from .220 before they played the Astros. They're still 2nd in ERA & in Quality Starts in all of MLB, so the starting pitching is still pretty good. The bullpen is now ranked 23rd though & they were in the top 1/2  a month ago. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/05/23, 11:24:11 AM
It didn't help that their top 4 RBI guys weren't in the lineup yday, either.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/05/23, 11:27:05 AM
Listened to a Star Tribune Pat Reusse podcast rants...

He's ready to be done with Kepler - needs to be released.  Who cares if he figures it out elsewhere.  He ain't doing anything for the Twins.
Why are they leading off with strike-out king Joey Gallo?
Time for Correa to start earning his money.



Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/05/23, 12:01:09 PM
I agree with all of what he is saying.

4 runs in the last 3 games, and they didn't even face Cleveland's ace Shawn Bever. :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/05/23, 06:22:05 PM
Reusse is the only guy in town whose baseball opinion I trust. I don't know that I would release Kepler but he would quickly become my 4th or 5th outfielder with Wallner taking his place. I'm starting to tire of the Garlick fascination also. He hits the occasional homerun but not often enough to take a roster post in my opinion.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/05/23, 07:39:23 PM
Oh, by the way... with Luis Arraez's hit in the 6th inning of tonights game, he is now hitting .399!   :doah: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/05/23, 07:51:52 PM
Reusse is the only guy in town whose baseball opinion I trust. I don't know that I would release Kepler but he would quickly become my 4th or 5th outfielder with Wallner taking his place. I'm starting to tire of the Garlick fascination also. He hits the occasional homerun but not often enough to take a roster spot in my opinion.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/06/23, 08:05:26 AM
 :scratch: I heard that they kind of quietly shopped Kepler around in the off season but they didn't get many offers.....................or at least ones they liked. :confused: 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/06/23, 08:12:58 AM
:scratch: I heard that they kind of quietly shopped Kepler around in the off season but they didn't get many offers.....................or at least ones they liked. :confused:
A bucket of rubbed-up baseballs is looking like a pretty good deal now.   :embarrassed:

Nice guy...  I hope he gets a chance to figure it out...  Somewhere else.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/06/23, 08:15:14 AM
I agree with all of what he is saying.

4 runs in the last 3 games, and they didn't even face Cleveland's ace Shawn Bever. :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:
Cleveland's staff is #8 in MLB with a 3.79 ERA & their bullpen is #1 with 22 saves. :scratch: I wondered about Wallner too, DB, as all he did was get on base just about everytime when he was called up the last time. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/06/23, 07:30:42 PM
Oh, by the way... with Luis Arraez's hit in the 6th inning of tonights game, he is now hitting .399!   :doah: :happy1:

Twinkies are stinking it up against the Rays, sooo...

A Luis Arraez update...

He went 2 for 4 and is now hitting .401.   :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/07/23, 07:00:21 AM
  :rolleyes: I checked the score ~ the 8th yday too.  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/07/23, 07:03:05 AM
Leading MLB in strike outs. Will set a MLB record at current pace. Only team with more than 600 strike outs so far this year. Correa leading the team with 3 more yesterday. Great signing so far. :thumbs: :thumbs:

Only 4 runs in last 4 games. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/07/23, 08:33:27 AM
i see where ole "china doll"  :rotflmao: is on the IR list!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/07/23, 09:14:59 AM
i see where ole "china doll"  :rotflmao: is on the IR list!!!!!!!
Maybe he's fragile, but when your only job is to bat, and you get drilled in the ribs by a baseball, it might have an adverse affect on your swing.

Not that Buxton's injury-diminished performance would be noticeably different than any other guy swinging the bat right now.
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/07/23, 09:09:52 PM
Yep looked to me like he got drilled right about the hip bone. He will get a pass from me for this one assuming it's a short stint on the DL.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/08/23, 06:40:52 AM
It's officially listed as a left rib contusion & they had him do a MRI after it happened as they thought it might be cracked or even broken. He's on the 10-day IL retroactive to Saturday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/08/23, 08:01:30 AM
Sometimes the other team is just better.  Nothing much happening last night until the 9th with the Twins down 1 run.

They stole a couple of bases, got one run in, and had bases loaded with one out.  What could have been a double down the 3rd base line was nabbed by the Ray's 3rd baseman that turned an incredible double play to end the thread.  A game of inches.

Twins put Jhoan Duran in and a gave up a walk-off homer on his second pitch.  It wasn't a bat pitch; the Ray's batter just went up and clobbered it.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/08/23, 05:14:59 PM
Swept by Tampa. Under 500 for the first time this season. NO OFFENSE. 7 runs scored in the last 6 games. Pathetic. What a waste of good pitching. Getting tough to watch. :thumbs: :pouty: :thumbs: :pouty: :thumbs: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/08/23, 06:41:48 PM
In case people haven't noticed, that Tampa team is pretty darn good. Hitting & pitching.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/09/23, 11:29:03 AM
So which is it...  Is it that the Twins have assembled a bunch of players who have a hard time staying healthy - which is affecting their offense, or maybe the coaching staff has got them going down a bad path given that from the top of the lineup to the bottom, everyone of the Twins hitters is hitting below their lifetime average?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/10/23, 07:24:29 AM
There is no incentive for a player on Rocco's team to buckle down and hit. He plays everybody all the time. He exserts very little pressure for anybody to perform at high levels. And of course it will make you scratch your head when one of your better hitters (Kirilloff) doesn't play until late in the game. I seriously don't know how he determines who starts and plays. It certainly isn't based on talent.

Thankfully the pitching has been stellar so far.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/10/23, 07:28:31 AM
A much-needed win against a hot Toronto team yday with Taylor & Duran doing most of the damage. Lewis had his 1st 4 hit game in the bigs too. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/10/23, 09:44:24 PM
  :scratch: They have 17 SO :rolleyes: but beat the Jays with 3 bombs. Correa & Kepler accounted for 7 of the 9 runs. A nice game from the Canadian rookie at 2nd too, as he was on base all 3 times. A bunt & a broken bat single started it all. :crazy:         
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/11/23, 06:53:20 AM
Since the beginning of time hitters get better pitches to hit when there are runners on base. Larnachs was the only solo shot. 2 in a row in Toronto is nice, maybe they can steal one another today. I'll be surprised if Rocco doesn't start the "B" squad today because all those guys got tired running around yesterday.   :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/11/23, 07:41:05 AM
Another quality start from Ryan which was his 10th in 13 starts. It was # 32 for the team, which is 2nd only to Seattle's 33. Lewis, Farmer, & Vazquez didn't start yday although Farmer did get 1 AB late, so I think they will all play today. They had a few guys that had good days at the plate yday :cool: & I would be surprised if he rested all of them though. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/11/23, 12:47:04 PM
Just saw the banner on the Twins broadcast...

Arraez is still hitting .402!   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/11/23, 01:03:39 PM
Just saw the banner on the Twins broadcast...

Arraez is still hitting .402!   :happy1:

He won't be at seasons end.
Marlins won't win their division.
Twins will.
Lopez will have double digit wins for a team that desperately needed starting pitching.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/11/23, 01:14:47 PM
I'm not complaining it was a bad trade.  I'm just happy for the young man, flirting with historical greatness.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/11/23, 01:33:01 PM
He is fun to watch but hitting .400 for a season with all this specialized pitching is darn near impossible.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/11/23, 01:45:06 PM
Exactly.  He shouldnt be able to be doing it this far into the season either, but he is.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/11/23, 03:07:41 PM
Saw a fan sign at the game.....

                                           HEY TWINS

                                      YOUR MOM CALLED

                                  YOU LEFT YOUR GAME AT HOME

                               :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/11/23, 04:05:37 PM
They werent wrong today.  Tough loss.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/11/23, 07:14:36 PM
Bullpen lost this one. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/11/23, 08:38:52 PM
If Correa hadn't bounce passed that one to first and got an out they wouldn't have scored all of those runs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/12/23, 09:35:38 AM
Listened to a Star Tribune Pat Reusse podcast rants...

He's ready to be done with Kepler - needs to be released.  Who cares if he figures it out elsewhere.  He ain't doing anything for the Twins.

Decide for yourself if Sabermetrics have gone too far, but baseball has always been a game of numbers.  According to this op-ed, Max Kepler, based on fWAR (Wins Above Replacement), is the eighth-best outfielder to wear a Minnesota uniform.

Max Kepler, One of the Greatest Outfielders in Twins History (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/max-kepler-one-of-the-greatest-outfielders-in-twins-history-r14389/)

The fWAR list plays out as follows: Kirby Puckett takes the top spot, followed by Tony Oliva, Bob Allison, Torii Hunter, Cesar Tovar, Byron Buxton, Shane Mack, and then Kepler. Since the turn of the century, only Hunter and Buxton top his fWAR total.  [Kepler already sits] above Denard Span, Michael Cuddyer, Jacque Jones, and Matt Lawton.

We reach, then, the odd conclusion that Kepler is one of the best outfielders in Twins' history. Time may perhaps allow for those who never saw him play—or, indeed, can only remember small pieces—to accept this fully. It will probably not happen soon. Yet when Kepler's time as a player ends and he evolves into a Twins ambassador, returning for Twins festivals and reminding those of a time no longer present, all we will have is memories and numbers, both of which will favor him as an integral piece of Twins history.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/12/23, 11:32:40 AM
If Correa hadn't bounce passed that one to first and got an out they wouldn't have scored all of those runs.
Lewis had an error on a throw too & it was a much easier play than Correa's IMO. :rolleyes: You can't give good teams extra outs & win very often in today's MLB. :tut:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/12/23, 01:04:19 PM
If Correa hadn't bounce passed that one to first and got an out they wouldn't have scored all of those runs.
Lewis had an error on a throw too & it was a much easier play than Correa's IMO. :rolleyes: You can't give good teams extra outs & win very often in today's MLB. :tut:
Correa's play was a tough one, the timing seemed off.  Still, you like to see him try to make it instead of holding the ball.  The man on first would have scored on the subsequent home run anyway.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/13/23, 06:25:39 AM
At home against the Brewers tonight, a 6:40 start & Lopez gets the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/13/23, 07:04:32 PM
Finally took Kepler out of the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/13/23, 09:35:33 PM
Great Twins ending. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/13/23, 09:43:29 PM
Wow.....outstanding. 2 homeruns in the bottom of the 9th to win. Off a closer with a .042 ERA. in 21 games. Allowed only 1 run and the Twins get 4 in the 9th.

 :happy1: :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/14/23, 06:50:50 AM
I gave up, but got called back into the room when they tied the game.  I didn't see that coming.

THAT is what in college football circles they call a "signature" win!   :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/14/23, 07:03:58 AM
 :scratch: Never figured they'd pull that 1 out. :cool: Brewers leave town today so it's an early game, 12:10 1st pitch with Ober on the mound. It's a 10 game home stand then 6 more on the road before their next day off after the Atlanta series on 6/29, so they are talking about going to a 6-man rotation. Most likely be Maeda as he been rehabbing with the Saints.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/14/23, 02:47:28 PM
Our lads chalked up another 4-2 victory over the WI Beer Guys!  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/14/23, 06:06:00 PM
 
Our lads chalked up another 4-2 victory over the WI Beer Guys!  :happy1:
:happy1: All 4 runs scored with 2 out & they were 3-5 w/RISP. Another Quality Start as well. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/14/23, 06:12:52 PM
Mr. Correa has made an appearance.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/15/23, 05:01:41 AM
Yeah......he is finally hitting the ball. Still it's the pitching that is winning ballgames.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/15/23, 07:45:33 AM
Yeah......he is finally hitting the ball. Still it's the pitching that is winning ballgames.
They're still 2nd in all of MLB in Team ERA & Quality Starts. Correa been getting some help at the plate from Solano, Farmer, Julien, & a couple others too. Hope they can keep it going against Detroit today. Gray gets the ball for a 6:10 start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/15/23, 08:59:31 PM
Well, when they lose it's either the hitting or the Bullpen. Tonight the Bullpen gives up 6 runs.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/15/23, 10:39:31 PM
No, tonight Rocco threw in the towel yanking Gray after 4 innings and a 4-2 lead. Once again (a habit of his) he over managed the game and it cost them.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/16/23, 07:12:09 AM
 :scratch: Gray walked 3 in his last inning & he wasn't even close to the strike zone on a lot of his pitches. Not to mention his pitch count was awfully high. I think Rocco wanted Moran to come in & start the inning clean. Even though it was ruled a hit, Lewis's high throw was what started that inning to unravel. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/16/23, 07:21:57 AM
Gray had the lead, I don't care if he walked 10. He just as easily could have given up no hits over the next 3 innings. 80 isn't a high pitch count for anybody not pitching for Rocco.

Much like your kids you have to trust them and let them go......either to succeed or fail. Rocco likes his micro managing. Always has.

For me there isn't hardly anything Rocco has done over the last 3 years thats defensible. In my mind they can let him go anytime, get a baseball guy to replace him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/16/23, 03:50:26 PM
 :scratch: It's all about the #'s in TB where they gave him his 1st job, so that's what he knows. :confused: 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/16/23, 07:18:04 PM
OK tuned in. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/17/23, 04:34:23 AM
Gray and Rocco had a heated meeting after the game on Thursday. Gray not happy he was pulled from the game even though he had a pitch count of 79 at the time. Good for him. Especially after Moran and Pagon each gave up 3 runs to put the game away.

Rocco says it will be a bullpen game this afternoon. Wants to give the starters an extra day's rest.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/17/23, 06:25:22 AM
 :tut: It wasn't Moran & Pagan. Pagan pitched 2 scoreless innings & gave up only 1 hit. :rolleyes: It was Moran & Lopez that gave up the 3 run homers. https://www.espn.com/mlb/boxscore/_/gameId/401472047 I like it too that Gray wanted to go back out there, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Rocco & Gray had the same conversation a few times last season as well. Ryan struggled yday too, giving up 3 HRs. :pouty: Looks like De Leon will begin the game today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/17/23, 06:34:06 AM
:scratch: It's all about the #'s in TB where they gave him his 1st job, so that's what he knows. :confused: 
Straight from his Wikipedia bio........................ After ending his playing career in 2011, Baldelli remained with the Rays organization as a Special Assistant for Baseball Operations and roving minor league hitting and outfield defense instructor. In December 2014, Baldelli was named the Rays' first base coach under new manager Kevin Cash, who had been Baldelli's teammate on the club in 2005.[52] Before the 2017 season, the Rays organization promoted Baldelli to the newly created role of major-league field coordinator, which involved analyzing the tendencies of opposing hitters, coaching defensive skills to players, and helping the team implement defensive strategies during games.[2]   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/17/23, 06:51:42 AM
Ryan struggled and continued.
Gray struggled and got pulled.
Ryan was losing 6-1 and still pitching.
Gray was leading 4-2 and got pulled.

So do you trust the player to correct the ship after a rocky inning or do you show no faith in them by pulling them?

Do you show the rest of the team you have faith in your veteran pitcher or do you pull him with the lead in favor of a bullpen that has been less than stellar?

BTW, this isn't a one time occurrence, Rocco and company has done this many times before.

Time to start examining the moves management is making more closely, it isn't always the player thats messing up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/17/23, 07:17:20 AM
They are a 500 team. If things continue the way they have been going, they will remain a 500 team. Lucky they are in one of the 2 worst divisions in MLB. The other being the National League Central.

Twins will play the easiest schedule the remainder of the season....

"Over the remaining 93 games, the Twins will play 56 games against teams currently under .500, including the next 10 in a row against the Tigers and Red Sox."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/17/23, 07:33:30 AM
The other teams also are viewing the Twins as a soft spot in their schedule.   :rotflmao:  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/17/23, 07:45:09 AM
Ryan stayed in because of the bullpen game today IMO. Even the 2 teams that lead the league in saves have only 26 & 25 saves. That's in 72 & 69 games respectively, that's a save % of ~36 %. Only SF, #2, has a complete game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/17/23, 04:05:06 PM
Bullpen has been shaky so far. Then today they use 6 pitchers on a Bullpen Day giving up just 3 hits and they throw a shutout.   :confused: :confused: :confused:

Still crappy offense. Buxton is 0-20 since coming back from the IR. Taking a long time to get back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/18/23, 11:57:56 AM
They kept it clean on the bases & with the gloves yday.  :happy1: They haven't been doin that in the 1st 2 with the Tigers. Real nice play by Castro & Correa to get the guy at the plate too. Seemed to give 'em a little momentum as they scored in their 1/2 of that inning. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/18/23, 11:59:55 AM
 :oops1: forgot :doah:, 1:10 & Varland today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/18/23, 04:09:39 PM
Very depressing.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/18/23, 05:38:15 PM
3 strikeouts with the bases loaded. Buxton continues to go in the tank.....0-21 in his last 21 at bats. Crappy hitting again.  :mad1: :mad1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/19/23, 07:58:00 AM
 :scratch: I thought the bats were starting to show some life against the Blue Jays & Brewers. :confused: But that came to a screeching halt in the Detroit series, right about the same time Buxton gets back in the starting line-up. :rolleyes: He's missing pitches by a foot :doah: & looks like he's trying to hit a 9-run HR every time he swings. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/19/23, 08:01:34 AM
Sun-Mon-Tue games all at 6:40 against Red Sox.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/19/23, 09:28:36 AM
So much for playing teams under 500. Losing 3 out of 4 to the Tigers tells us this is a 500 team.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/19/23, 07:14:15 PM
36-36 says .500 in a terrible division. There is plenty of time to win the division or collapse like a cheap tent......soon we will know.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/19/23, 07:29:25 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:  May have to use that line with my brothers Dutch. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/20/23, 05:25:29 PM
So who's at fault here....I would say the Twins management. POOR trades over the past few years. I like Reusse's column today about this. Pretty much all he is saying is correct. Can you list a good trade they have made lately??

Giving away the AL Batting Champion??? :thumbs: :thumbs:
This guy could be the next Ty Cobb.

Good trades.....probably Sonny Grey. But will he be willing to come back here next year???

The Nelson Cruz for Joe Ryan was awesome.

I like this statement from Reusse...

"It was a minor transaction in the big picture, but the feeling here is that the first sign that aliens from Pluto were running the Twins came on March 28, 2021, when the Twins signed Randy Dobnak to a multi-year contract worth $9.25 million that runs through 2025 — with three option years afterward."

He is still getting pounded in St. Paul.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/20/23, 06:11:49 PM
The fault is managements for not constructing a proper batting order. This has baffled me since day one. How can guys like Gallo bat lead-off? I dunno, I never was a Rocco fan and I'm becoming less so daily.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/21/23, 08:35:50 AM
so i just read an article on bring me the news that Buxton physically cant play in the outfield. article said even going into spring training his knee is so bad the cant play in the field!!!!!!!!!

                  :pouty: :pouty: :scratch: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/21/23, 10:00:24 AM
Not good.  You wonder A) if the knee is so bad that it is also affecting his hitting (probably) and B) if he will ever recover to the level he was last year before injury.  You have to wish him the best.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/21/23, 10:59:19 AM
I don't know what Arraez did last night, but the night before I heard he went 5-5 and brought his average back to .400!   :happy1:

They say confidence is contagious, and you have to wonder if the Twins hitters are missing Luis from a clubhouse chemistry perspective.  Was Luis the kind of guy who made everyone better just being around him?   :confused:

P.S.  I looks like he went 1-4 and his average plummeted to .398.   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/21/23, 11:45:01 AM
The hitting machine for the Twins has just been outscored in the past 6 games 40-18. That's against two 500 or below teams. Now not only is the hitting in the tank, but the pitching is heading that way too. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/21/23, 05:26:35 PM
Our defense used to be stellar and sure isn't now.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/21/23, 06:04:23 PM
Barry they no longer are playing their best defensive players in my opinion. They are trying to get all the bats into the lineup they can. That and Taylor is hurt which is why he hasn't played.

Also......Boston isn't chopped liver, dem boys can hit the ball although their pitching and defense can be suspect at times. But you can't confuse them with Detroit or Kansas City.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/22/23, 08:22:06 AM
I'm with the broadcast team last night...  I don't know how the replay officials could NOT have overturned the call at first base in the bottom of the 10th.

Men on 1st and 2nd.  No outs.  Bunt up the first base line.
First baseman fields, flips to the pitcher covering the bag, but there is a near collision with the runner.
Replay showed the pitcher did not touch the bag and never tagged the runner with his glove.
Taylor stepped over the pitchers foot to touch the base with his toe, but was called out.

I'd like to hear the official MLB rationale for that call.  But all's well that ends well.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/22/23, 09:08:35 AM
Someone wanted the Red Sox to win. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/23, 10:58:23 AM
I have to admit, after we all saw the many angles of replays he looked safe and I do think it was the refs trying to give the edge to the Sox.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/22/23, 11:44:50 AM
Just because we're paranoid here in small market, fly-over Twins Territory, doesn't mean they're not out to get us.   :evil:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/23, 12:52:54 PM
Up 4-0 now. And everyone knows the umps are out to get the Vikings too. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/22/23, 12:55:02 PM
I just checked in and saw that too.  :happy1: Still, its just the 2nd inning.  ;)  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/22/23, 02:45:17 PM
Will wonders never cease? 

Baldelli let Joe Ryan pitch the complete game: 111 pitches, three scattered hits, and a shutout! :happy1:  I didn't see how many strikeouts Joe had, but Bremmer said in the 9th inning that he was throwing 79% strikes.   :cheesy:  In the few times I checked in, Joe looked :cool: and in control.  My wife said Buxton also had a couple o' dongs. 

I hope this was in some way a positive message from the manager to the players and it jumpstarts their flagging performance.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/22/23, 05:52:29 PM
I doubt it was a change of philosophy on Roccos part. More likely the Red Sox were rolling over and playing dead combined with the Maeda start coming, which Rocco will need all the bullpen hands on deck and available.

Tigers don't change their stripes.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/22/23, 07:40:46 PM
And Buxton had 2 home runs. Both over 460 feet. Longest of the season. And 1 last night.

Red Sox scored 19 runs the first 2 games and only 4 the last 2. 
:drinking: :drinking:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/22/23, 07:43:29 PM
Great game.  I just got into baseball when I retired 5 years ago so still a novice.  That is the first shutout game I have ever seen.  How great that it was Ryan who seems like a good guy.   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/22/23, 09:30:16 PM
They have 3 games against the team with the best record in the NL, the Braves, after Detroit too. Then 3 with the team that has the 3rd best record in the AL, Baltimore.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/23/23, 12:10:31 PM
Twins reinstate RHP Kenta Maeda from injured list (https://deadspin.com/twins-reinstate-rhp-kenta-maeda-from-injured-list-1850569837)

Minnesota Twins right-hander Kenta Maeda was reinstated from the 15-day injured list to start Friday's game against the host Detroit Tigers

Maeda (0-4, 9.00 ERA) was sidelined with a right triceps strain since he left a start on April 26, when he surrendered 10 runs in three-plus innings against the New York Yankees.


Kyle Garlick Designated for Assignment By Minnesota Twins (https://www.si.com/mlb/dodgers/news/former-dodgers-outfielder-designated-for-assignment-by-minnesota-twins-mw1996)

Kyle Garlick was designated for assignment by the Minnesota Twins, the team announced Tuesday, likely ending a tenure that lasted three seasons.

The 31-year-old outfielder spent the majority of the season with the Twins Triple-A affliate in St. Paul, and Garlick struggled there hitting .210 with 7 home runs and 21 RBI.

It was a disappointing time for Garlick with the Twins as well, as he went 5-for-28 with two home runs up in Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/24/23, 02:47:38 PM
 :scratch: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/twins-sign-dallas-keuchel-to-minor-league-deal-as-former-cy-young-award-winn  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/24/23, 03:01:39 PM
The risk of pitching him or Pagan is about the same. He's a lefty, still standing vertical, they will give him a chance in the bullpen after a few St. Paul innings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/24/23, 03:16:16 PM
Kind of what I was thinking too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/25/23, 07:28:23 AM
 :pouty: Julien couldn't make the double play in the 2nd & that leads to their big inning. :rolleyes: Then De Leon walks off before he even faces a batter & will be placed on the 15-day IL. Not mention Buxton not being able to finish the game. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/25/23, 07:52:58 AM
Major League Baseball is looking into a designated runner rule. It will be called the "China Doll" rule. How it will work is Buxton no longer will need to run anywhere at anytime. The last out previous to Buxton hitting will stand alongside Buxton in the batters area. If Buxton hits the ball the designated person will run and Buxton gets to go directly back to the dugout. Should the ball be a homerun Buxton will be allowed a slow stroll around the bases thus enabling him to mug for the cameras. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/25/23, 08:06:15 AM
Major League Baseball is looking into a designated runner rule. It will be called the "China Doll" rule. How it will work is Buxton no longer will need to run anywhere at anytime. The last out previous to Buxton hitting will stand alongside Buxton in the batters area. If Buxton hits the ball the designated person will run and Buxton gets to go directly back to the dugout. Should the ball be a homerun Buxton will be allowed a slow stroll around the bases thus enabling him to mug for the cameras.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/25/23, 06:52:11 PM
 :scratch: That probably won't be needed  ;) :rolleyes: :smiley: as he was able to play today. Nice win, on to Atlanta.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/25/23, 07:45:57 PM
All he did was pinch hit, Julien was the DH today I think.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/26/23, 07:48:50 AM
 Yup, he looked better goin to 1st than he did Saturday though.  :huh: I didn't know Vazquez could play 1st base.  :scratch: Like to see Taylor find his bat again too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/26/23, 08:56:39 AM
I'll bet Vazquez didn't know he knew how to play first base either.   :bonk:

Buxton... Is he always going to be a shadow of his former self?  Will it take another full off season to heal?  Will the Twins shut him down at some point if they fall out of contention?

His prime at the plate that was all too short.  We just assume that surgeons can patch these guys up good as new, but it doesn't always pan out that way.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/26/23, 09:19:01 AM
Ya it's getting kind of sad really. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/26/23, 01:10:29 PM
We got a little help from the guy at 3rd when they tied it up in the 8th. :happy1: :cool: Correa was probably out at home in the 10th too, if the catcher had held on to the ball. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/26/23, 02:03:53 PM
Saw this article...  The Best Player the Twins Could Acquire at the Trade Deadline (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/the-best-player-the-twins-could-acquire-at-the-trade-deadline-r14476/)

St. Louis Cardinals first baseman, Paul Goldschmidt’s bat would fit perfect with the Twins for a few reasons. First of all, as a right-handed hitter the reigning NL MVP would help the Twins immensely with their struggles against left-handed pitchers...

I'm not going to repeat the contents here, but I sure hope the brain trust doesn't mortgage the farm to get a one-year rental for this year's bunch of underachievers.  This is not the team to go all-in with.   :undecided:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/26/23, 07:08:49 PM
I'm good with Kirilloff if Rocco would play him every day.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/26/23, 08:52:30 PM
More solid contact on WWE Rasslin tonight than the Twins hitters put up against Strider.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/27/23, 05:21:36 AM
I'm good with Kirilloff if Rocco would play him every day.
I agree, we don't need Goldschmidt. Kirilloff has really struggled against lefties (.111), Solano has been quite a bit better (.279), even Gallo is at .212.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/27/23, 05:42:45 AM
More solid contact on WWE Rasslin tonight than the Twins hitters put up against Strider.
:scratch: He's won his last 5 starts & does lead the league in strikeouts. Atlanta's 51 wins & 3.81 ERA has them 2nd only to TB this year too. Not to mention they've been hot, going 18-4 in June. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/27/23, 06:16:53 AM
De Leon out for the season. Second Tommy John surgery needed. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/27/23, 06:18:23 AM
I'm good with Kirilloff if Rocco would play him every day.
I agree, we don't need Goldschmidt. Kirilloff has really struggled against lefties (.111), Solano has been quite a bit better (.279), even Gallo is at .212.

Yes but Kirilloff is the future. Solano & Gallo won't be around long. Kirilloff needs the at bats.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/27/23, 07:28:26 AM
They want to win now too or the Arraez trade won't sit well with a lot of people. Besides, Rocco has always been all about the matchups. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/27/23, 07:37:35 AM
getting rid of Arraez wasthe dumbest things the Twins ever did.  :doofus: :thumbs: :bs: but hen i'm still pissed that Viola won MVP of that one world series . Gladden should of gotten it!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/27/23, 07:43:34 AM
 :tut: Don't you have some female hygiene products that you need to put on the shelf? :mooning: Instead of harassing the baseball guys. :pouty:  Oh wait, it's only Tuesday!!  :sleazy:           :nerd: ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:       
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/27/23, 08:01:35 AM
:tut: Don't you have some female hygiene products that you need to put on the shelf? :mooning: Instead of harassing the baseball guys. :pouty:  Oh wait, it's only Tuesday!!  :sleazy:           :nerd: ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:       
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: naw dont do that isle. i do the coffee, juice, cracker and cookie isle!!!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:

but i almost spit coffee out reading that!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/27/23, 03:22:31 PM
Buxton, Gallo and Kepler woes


It's not surprising to find out that when teams lose, their players usually have a drop in production. But in the case of Byron Buxton, Max Kepler and Joey Gallo, their struggles could be a main reason why the Twins lose low-scoring games.

Although this trio's production in losses is bothersome, it's catastrophic in that 11-game sample size where they are hitting a combined 10-for-75 (.133 average) with one double, three home runs and a 38.6% strikeout rate.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on June 06/28/23, 07:17:10 AM
 :pouty: One of our more reliable guys in the bullpen, Stewart, was put on the 15-day IL yday. :doah: Hope that's all it takes & he doesn't need surgery. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/28/23, 08:56:55 AM
Ryan shelled last night.  Served up 5 homers to the first 10 batters.  :doah:  So good one night and the next... not so much.

I don't know if it was bad location, no movement, or what, but Atlanta was ready for his fastball.  :surrender:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/28/23, 04:32:28 PM
I'm tired of watching this hitless bunch....3-0 again today. Wasted start by Maeada. Done with this. I have always recorded them and then started watching. I have stopped recording. Better things to do and to watch.

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/28/23, 06:15:51 PM
I'm tired of watching this hitless bunch....3-0 again today. Wasted start by Maeada. Done with this. I have always recorded them and then started watching. I have stopped recording. Better things to do and to watch.

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Your going to miss that 15 game winning thats coming.   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on June 06/28/23, 06:25:30 PM
I doubt it.

The player who sticks out like a sore thumb is Byron Buxton, who struck out swinging on head-high pitch and finished the day 1-for-4. It was Buxton's 21st hit since May 1, a stretch of awful performances that has led to a .161 batting average over his last 37 games.

Buxton isn't alone. Carlos Correa shouldered the blame after failing with runners in scoring position on Tuesday night. Max Kepler has been mostly incompetent at the plate and the likes of Joey Gallo, Christian Vazquez and Michael A. Taylor have been strikeout machines all season. 

Baldelli after today's game....."This is a challenge. This is an ultimatum for our team. These guys work their freaking asses off every day, but maybe we gotta work our asses off in a different way and have a different approach and a different mindset when we step out on the field," Baldelli said.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/28/23, 08:17:36 PM
Maybe he should try writing...

"No retreat.  No surrender."

On the whiteboard in the clubhouse.   :rotflmao: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/29/23, 02:54:55 PM
What can/should sports organizations do when they have a bunch of key players underperforming?  :confused:

Ya can't fire all the players.  :bonk:

In Paul Monitor, you had a guy who didn't (at least openly) pay much attention to sabermetrics.  BUT, he had a bunch of rag-tag players overperforming and made a charge to get into the playoffs.  :happy1:

In Baldelli, you have a guy who seems (on the surface) to mostly manage the game by the numbers and percentages - with a bunch of highly-paid, talented guys who are underperforming.
:thumbs:
Hmmmm.   :scratch: 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/29/23, 06:24:31 PM
Nothing they can do with the "stars" contracts. Just sit back, watch attendance drop and dream of what could of been.

BTW, I'm not a doom & gloom guy. I still think they win the division and then anything can happen.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/29/23, 07:17:39 PM
I was just thinkin'...  I like to go to a game or two every year, but there isn't anyone in the lineup I feel I want to see play.

There are a couple o starting pitchers worth watching, and Duran as well, but that is it.  Except to watch Correa play short...  he is really good at that.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on June 06/29/23, 07:20:48 PM
there's always the food court!!!!   sorry had too!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/29/23, 07:22:40 PM
Go and watch the future. Julien, Lewis, Wallner, Kirolloff Ryan.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on June 06/29/23, 07:26:27 PM
go on a hot day......watch and look at the scenery!!!!!! :smoking: :sleazy:

heck you might even catch a glimpse of a few cougars!!!!!! :evil: :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on June 06/29/23, 07:32:38 PM
go on a hot day......watch and look at the scenery!!!!!! :smoking: :sleazy:

heck you might even catch a glimpse of a few cougars!!!!!! :evil: :happy1: :rotflmao:

and there's that!!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on June 06/29/23, 07:46:42 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on June 06/30/23, 09:07:15 PM
After being spanked in Atlanta they are actually scoring (8-0) after 4.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on June 06/30/23, 09:29:20 PM
Maybe he should try writing...

"No retreat.  No surrender."

On the whiteboard in the clubhouse.   :rotflmao: :bonk:
What do ya know...
Baldelli DID write something on the white board to motivate them...
"The season starts now!"
...and look at them hit tonight.

Actually I don't think it was Baldelli's inspirational message or linup changes as it was the player only meeting.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/02/23, 11:53:12 AM
FYI, no Peacock & want to check out the game just go to ESPN/MLB. Then it's either Gamecast for up to the minute coverage or you can do Play-by-Play to see what been going on. I can't do the whole game that way but will check in every now & then, myself.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/02/23, 02:00:35 PM
We just got back from the Falls so I checked and looks like we lost 2-1. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/03/23, 08:25:38 AM
I listened on the radio while painting a bedroom.  Seems the offensive barrage after the players-only meeting and Baldelli's motivational message lasted for a total of 1 game.  Back to scoring 1 run per game.  Wasted yet another Sonny Gray outing.   :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/04/23, 07:41:51 AM
Lopez's record should be better than 4-5 IMO too. :rolleyes: He's only given up 49 runs in 17 games, 10 of those are Quality Starts. He's been among the league leaders in strikeouts all season as well. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/04/23, 07:57:47 AM
Fun game last night.  5 runs seems to bw about the right cushion before you decide to throw Pagan in.   :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/04/23, 11:38:01 AM
  :happy1: Haven't seen 'em have an inning like that in a long time :cool:, probably at least early May. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/05/23, 09:43:10 AM
Just not a fan of his.  You're right.  His stats aren't that bad since June.  He gave up runs in 3 of his last 10 outings.  His ERA only went up 0.25 in that span to 4.04.  I just don't trust him in high leverage situations. 

I also might have to eat my words about Twins hitting not lasting after players only meeting.  They looked good against the Royals, but then again, they are the Royals.  Anxious to see if they can keep it up when the Orioles come to town and post-All Start break.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/05/23, 10:15:23 AM
1 coaching change the Twins need to make before it’s too late (https://puckettspond.com/posts/1-coaching-change-twins-need-make-too-late-01h474jxp3dr)

Not surprising...  :scratch:  its the hitting coach!  :bonk:

Perhaps the final nail in Popkins' coffin is the player's only meeting that happened after a series sweep by the Braves. Following that series, in which the Twins scored just three runs, players decided to take more control of the hitting game and the result has been phenomenal.

While the offense is still lacking from where it should be, the Twins came out of that player's only meeting by scoring 19 runs over the last four games and resulting in a 3-1 record.

It's hard to determine how much of that was the players and how much of it was adjustments by Popkins, but the evidence so far this season suggests it's more the former. There's still a lot of season left, but the Twins instant reversal of offensive fortunes after taking more control of the hitting game might mean the end of Popkins in Minnesota is near.

Time will tell if there is any fire behind all this smoke.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/05/23, 06:22:46 PM
It's a case of seeing what you want, not whats really there.

They barely scored in Baltimore who is in a tailspin recently. They are beating the Royals who would have a hard time consistently beating a college team.

They still can't hit although there are signs some guys might be breaking out somewhat. What hasn't changed is Rocco's insistence on sitting guys and platooning so many guys. If the hitting coach goes Rocco should be riding shotgun in the Prius out of town.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/06/23, 05:20:01 AM
 :scratch: You don't like Rocco? :shocked: Him getting fired.........................I'll believe that when I see it. :rolleyes: He's under contract through 2025 & as long as they stay competitive in the division, he's not going anywhere IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/06/23, 07:38:19 AM
:scratch: You don't like Rocco? :shocked: Him getting fired.........................I'll believe that when I see it. :rolleyes: He's under contract through 2025 & as long as they stay competitive in the division, he's not going anywhere IMO.
the one thing i see in pro sports.........contracts dont mean diddley squat!!!!!!!!! :bonk: :doofus:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/06/23, 08:21:08 AM
Sure was fun to see Lopez get a shutout last night.  Seems like a good guy too. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/06/23, 08:39:24 AM
Yeah, ol' Rocco seems to be making some changes too.  Letting his starters go the full 9 innings - twice in one week?!?   :confused:

I know he probably wouldn't have done that if they weren't shutouts - especially right before the All Star Break, when his relievers would have had plenty of time to rest up - but it shows he is willing to adapt to the situation.  And the team seems to be responding. 

I don't know if they highlighted it in the TV broadcast, but on the radio they pointed out that when the Twins took the field in the 9th inning, they let Lopez walk out alone and take the mound before the rest of the team came out.  The crowd went wild.  And after the game Buxton brought out the home run vest for Lopez to wear during his post-game, on-field TV interview.

These boys might finally have a little somethin'-somethin' going on.  (But it is only the Royals. :doah: )  Whatever it is, I hope it carries over after the All Star Break.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/06/23, 01:20:15 PM
I seen him in the vest afterwards, but I didn't catch where they let him walk out by himself. :cool: Actually, it was closer to 2 weeks, Steve-o, as Ryan's was on 6/22.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/06/23, 01:23:57 PM
On TV they go to inning breaks so fast.  Gladden on the radio broadcast noticed it before they went to their commercial break and gave the listening audience the run down.  I'm sure by the time the TV guys got back, they were already into the batter at the plate and ready for the first pitch - might not thought to have gone back to describe the moment when the Twins took the field in the 9th.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/06/23, 01:29:01 PM
 :scratch: Pretty sure that's exactly how it went down. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/06/23, 02:16:36 PM
I do still enjoy baseball radio broadcasts as background noise.

I loved listening to Herb Carneal.  Wasn't such big fan of John "Touch 'em All" Gordon.  And I like the Cory Provus  / Dan Gladden team.  Of all the guys from that era who might have transitioned to the radio booth as a color guy, I'd of never guessed it would have been Gladden - but he is good at it.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/07/23, 07:19:42 AM
Just an FYI, no Twins today, at least not the usual way :rolleyes:, Apple TV+ only. :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/07/23, 07:58:17 AM
I'll be listening to Provus and Gladden on the "Good Neighbor" 830.  ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Dotch on July 07/07/23, 09:34:38 AM
Is Cannon still on?  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/07/23, 11:24:04 AM
I got the money!!!   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on July 07/07/23, 11:26:25 AM
he was great!!!   and all his gang!!! 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/07/23, 11:45:38 AM
Yeah, I just checked.  He retired 26 years ago and passed away in 2009.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/08/23, 07:30:20 PM
Which Twins lineup will show up each game?   :confused:
The one that knocks the cover off the ball (very rare)?  :happy1:
The one that barely strings enough hits together to score enough runs to eek out a win?   :coffee:
Or the one that can't get two hits in the same inning?   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/09/23, 08:07:25 PM
Twins select left handed hitting outfielder Walker Jenkins a High School player from North Carolina with the 5th pick in the MLB Draft.

18 yrs old.....6'3" 210 lbs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/10/23, 06:50:54 AM
Interesting...  I don't know nothin' about nothin', and even less about the MLB draft, but...  ;)  This is SO different from the NFL draft.  I didn't pay too much attention, but all the "experts" said there were 5 guys in the top echelon of the draft and the Twins picked 5th.  :woot:

Maybe because starting pitchers only take the mound every 5th day that they aren't deemed quite as important as NFL Quarterbacks, or maybe because it takes so long for pitchers to develop to the major league level, or maybe because so many of them don't pan out, but...
 I'm surprised there weren't more pitchers in that group of the top 5:  one pitcher and 4 outfielders.   :scratch:  I guess you take what the draft gives you.

Meanwhile, the Twinkies limp into the break with a sweep by the Orioles culminated by a 15-2 drubbing.  You guys that know stuff about baseball...  Was it that most of the Orioles hitters were just in the zone?  Or were the Twins pitchers just serving up 'taters?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/10/23, 07:21:33 AM
My brothers have been baseball fans much longer than me.  They texted me that the worst loss we had was in 1961 and we lost 20-2
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/10/23, 09:31:52 AM
More than just a knee-jerk reaction...

Time for the Twins to fire Rocco Baldelli? Skor North's Judd Zulgad thinks so (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/time-for-the-twins-to-fire-rocco-baldelli-skor-norths-judd-zulgad-thinks-so)

"I have a very simple question: How is Rocco Baldelli's job secure going into the All-Star Break?" Zulgad asked in his postgame commentary Sunday. "This team has played bad baseball in one form or another since the 2021 season.

"Yes, the pitching has been good in 2023, but you know what the bats have been? Absolutely anemic."

"I could go down the line of bad at-bats that we see, and the lack of accountability that this team has, and yes the pitching deserves more, but the hitters are a complete joke, and nothing is changing. It seems like something should, and it probably should be Rocco Baldelli."

If they fire Baldelli, I hope they don't make the hitting coach the interrum manager!   :rotflmao: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/10/23, 09:36:19 AM
Giving up 13 runs over 2 innings is ridiculous. I would guess Rocco gave up by the end of the 6th and let the score go up.  :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/10/23, 12:11:41 PM
Since it does take so long for baseball draft pick to develop, I took a look at this article...

MLB Draft: Grading every Twins first round pick since 2010 (https://puckettspond.com/posts/mlb-draft-grading-every-twins-first-round-pick-since-2010-01h4nw8f28ft/5)

The real swing-and-miss came in 2013 (Kohl Stewart), when the team that historically likes to collect outfielders like rare coins passing on a guy named Aaron Judge who went No. 32 overall.

Minnesota used Chase Petty as the centerpiece of a trade with the Cincinnati Reds that landed Sonny Gray. It's yet to be seen how well this grade ages, as Gray deciding to leave the Twins in free agency this winter will knock it down a few pegs.

It's still super early but the hype for Brooks Lee is rivaling the kind we saw with Byron Buxton and Royce Lewis. Everything about Lee suggests he's going to be the next great Twins prospect to help carry the team into the future.  An ideal infield would have Correa moving to third base with Lee taking over at shortstop and Lewis moving to the outfield.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/10/23, 12:22:34 PM
So a high school kid.  Has he graduated?  Will he play for the Saints now? 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on July 07/10/23, 12:29:52 PM
he could go to college also.... 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/10/23, 12:47:04 PM
Ok I wondered that too. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/10/23, 01:58:41 PM
I think it all depends on the kid and the Twins at this point.  They'll sit down and have a talk about what is best for him and his development.  If he really wants to go to college, I don't think the Twins could or would stop him, but I'm not sure.

This article explains some of it, and here is an excerpt.

MLB Draft: High School vs. College (https://baseballscouter.com/mlb-draft-high-school-vs-college/)

What is Signability in the MLB Draft?

Signability refers to a prospect’s willingness to sign a professional contract.

For example, if Player A is a high school senior and is committed to a top tier college program and tells MLB scouts that he is going to college regardless of who drafts him and when, then scouts would say he is not signable.

On the flip side, Player B is a high school senior and is also committed to play in college, but he has made teams well aware that he would rather play professional baseball than go to college if given the opportunity. He would be considered signable.

Even if Player A is more talented than Player B, Player B may have a better chance of being drafted because of his signability. Teams may feel as if they would be wasting a draft pick on Player A.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/10/23, 02:26:37 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/10/23, 04:20:48 PM
I watched the Twins make that pick. They showed his whole family watching and celebrating when he was chosen. So maybe he wants to get right into the pros.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/10/23, 06:28:34 PM
A lot more confusing than the NFL.  Or at least to a novice like me.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/10/23, 06:43:35 PM
The Minnesota Twins selected Florida high school pitcher Charlee Soto with the 34th overall pick in the MLB Draft.

Soto, a 6'5", 210 lbs. high school pitcher out of Reborn Christian Academy in Florida, was initially a shortstop before outgrowing the position.

His strength is a fastball that sits in the high 90s and flirts with 100 mph at times, but he also has a hard slider and a splitter that made him the No. 28 prospect on MLB.com's top prospect list.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/12/23, 10:23:23 AM
I just saw an article that claimed Twins fans should be optimistic because the Twins have the easiest remaining strength of schedule in all of baseball.   :scratch:  Well, duh.  They play in the worst division in the American League.   :doah:

Further, with the Twins sub .500 record, all of the other good teams out east and west are looking at the Twins as easy wins.   :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/13/23, 06:35:38 AM
 Rocco said that Stewart should be back soon after the ASG break :happy1: & I think Thielbar is gettin close to returning too, that should help the bullpen. Polanco is going to start to do a rehab stint with the Saints pretty quick, so he might return soon as well. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/16/23, 07:15:28 AM
Miranda back on the IL & Wallner is called up. Thielbar threw a bullpen session on Friday & Polanco is scheduled to start his rehab in St Paul today too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/16/23, 04:10:15 PM
They should send China Doll to the DL and give his at bats to Wallner or .............hell the bat boy would hit the ball more often.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/16/23, 04:38:43 PM
I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/16/23, 06:32:56 PM
Looks like he just swings and doesn't even see the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/17/23, 07:33:38 AM
Stewart is playing catch but needs a couple weeks to build his arm back up now. :rolleyes: I agree on Buxton, he's been terrible. :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/17/23, 08:37:20 AM
Top 5 hitters in yesterday's lineup were 0-18. Buxton struck out 3 times again. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/17/23, 08:59:44 AM
Buxton looks like he is so used to striking out that it doesn't even bother him anymore when he walks back to the dog house. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/17/23, 09:14:56 AM
Yeah, he looks like he's waiting for someone to pull him out of the lineup.  :embarrassed:

He reminds me of me at the plate.   :rotflmao:

Here is a good read:  Did the Twins make a mistake by re-signing Byron Buxton? (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/did-the-twins-make-a-mistake-by-re-signing-byron-buxton)

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/17/23, 12:53:37 PM
Twins Daily:  The Twins Shouldn't Trade Sonny Gray Out of Panic (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/the-twins-shouldnt-trade-sonny-gray-out-of-panic-r14616/)

Gray holds more value to the Twins by remaining in their rotation for a possible playoff run, then returning for one more year, or at least getting high-end draft picks in return if he signs elsewhere. Barring some mythical offer that is too good to pass up, trading him now would be a decision based on panic and nothing more.

Twins Daily:  The Twins Should be Shopping Sonny Gray (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/the-twins-should-be-shopping-sonny-gray-r14619/)

The Twins established enough pitching depth to continue to compete in the pillow fight that is the AL Central race without Sonny Gray.  In what should be a pitching-thin market, they could have an opportunity to get a difference-making return on a 33-year-old All-Star who may not be in the league next year, let alone with the Twins.

 :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/17/23, 06:10:08 PM
I laugh about any "difference making" player for any Twins pitcher. If the guy was a difference maker he wouldn't be on the trading block for a guy who can opt out after the season.

These trade rumors in baseball are a bigger joke than the FBI not being able to find out who brought Cocaine into the Whitehouse.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/18/23, 07:53:59 AM
I just read that Buxton is 1-31 since July 5. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/18/23, 11:26:26 AM
I think Baldelli is treating Buxton like a starting Quarterback in the NFL...

In the NFL they have this mind set that if you bench your starting quarterback - you can't EVER go back to him.  You have to stick with the new guy.  The ONLY way they go back is if the new guy gets hurt.

I never completely understood that rational in the NFL.  I've heard all the explanations, but I refuse to accept that the psyche of starting QBs is so fragile that they can't bounce back from the starter being benched for a couple of weeks.

Or maybe Baldelli has a situation like the Wild had with Ryan Suter and Zack Parise in the locker room - where the coaches (Bruce Boudreau, et al) were afraid to take away their playing time when their performance dipped.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/18/23, 03:31:02 PM
Twins' Byron Buxton: Getting day off Tuesday (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/twins-byron-buxton-getting-day-off-tuesday/)

Buxton is absent from the lineup for Tuesday's game in Seattle, Patrick Reusse of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reports.

Matt Wallner will be the Twins' designated hitter. Reusse categorizes it as a "mental break" for Buxton, who is 0-for-21 with 13 strikeouts over his last five games. ... his 31.3 percent strikeout rate would be his highest since 2016.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/19/23, 08:14:14 AM
Ober needed a little help to get out of the 1st inning but was really good after that. :cool: He only gave up 1 more hit & ended up being 21/24 on 1st pitch strikes.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/19/23, 09:23:08 AM
I didn't watch the game, but nice to see Pagan did his job.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/19/23, 12:55:05 PM
  :scratch: He pitched in the 1st & last game of the Oakland series with good results too. Both were 1 run games.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/19/23, 03:29:20 PM
The young guys are getting the job done and providing much needed offense. Julien and Kiriloff. Even Keplar is getting hits. BUT, what will they do with Julien when Polanco comes back in a couple days? And what about Lewis, when he is ready? :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/19/23, 04:06:46 PM
First thing is to can Buston and fill his spot with someone that cares. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/19/23, 06:09:40 PM
The young guys are getting the job done and providing much needed offense. Julien and Kiriloff. Even Keplar is getting hits. BUT, what will they do with Julien when Polanco comes back in a couple days? And what about Lewis, when he is ready? :confused: :confused:


Polanco will platoon until he starts swinging well, then maybe get some DH at bats. When Lewis returns he will be the starting 3rd baseman unless somebody can challenge him for the job. Miranda had the inside track but to this point has failed.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/19/23, 08:43:24 PM
First thing is to can Buston and fill his spot with someone that cares. 
  :scratch: Bremer said during Monday's broadcast that it would be hard for anyone to convince him that Buxton's struggles at the plate aren't directly related to his knee issues that keep him from playing on defense & I'm not so sure he's not right.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/20/23, 09:16:15 AM
Combo platter.  Hitting is physical and mental.  Confidence and ego play a big part too.  Every case is different.

I know I've seen pinch hitters who could barely walk crush pitches and hobble down to first and get replaced by pinch runners.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/20/23, 09:53:14 AM
Miranda had the inside track but to this point has failed.
You always wonder about the intangibles in sports...  I wonder if some of the success Miranda had last year was because he shared a clubhouse with a guy like Arraez.  They always talk about locker room chemistry, how some players have the ability to make other players better.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/20/23, 12:40:55 PM
I truly believe that team chemistry is paramount.  In the NFL also. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/20/23, 02:00:54 PM
I don't doubt that this Twins team gets along with each other, but from a lineup perspective, they just don't have that "It" factor like they did last year when (a healthy) Buxton and Arraez were going good.  Success and confidence are contagious and this year's lineup seems to not have much of either.

It is nice to see that Correa responded appropriately to being moved to lead-off and we can only hope that Kepler will sustain his latest hot streak beyond a handful of games.  Time will tell if that is enough to ignite the offense for the 2nd half of the season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/21/23, 02:30:19 PM
What happened to the Twinks last night.  Did the bats go completely cold again or was it more that they ran into buzz saw pitching?

Only 5 hits.  Scattered, I'm assuming.
 :pouty: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/21/23, 03:17:52 PM
What happened to the Twinks last night.  Did the bats go completely cold again or was it more that they ran into buzz saw pitching?

Only 5 hits.  Scattered, I'm assuming.
 :pouty: :thumbs:
Never mind.  I found it...    :pouty::pouty: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Twins shut out in 5-0 series finale loss to Mariners (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/twins-shut-out-in-5-0-series-finale-loss-to-mariners)

Twins record 13 more strikeouts in the shutout loss.

Eduoard Julien set the tone early for the Twins, striking out in the first at-bat of the game, and the Twins reached the 1000 Ks mark for the season with Kyle Farmer's eighth inning strikeout.

Byron Buxton closed out the game with his second strikeout of the game as he stretches his hitless streak to 0-26.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/21/23, 07:59:01 PM
Buxton got a 3 run dinger in the first inning against the White Sux. they lead 5-1 with Ryan on the mound.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/21/23, 08:10:04 PM
China Doll just hit his 2nd of the game, a 2 run shot. That's 5 rbi & a 7-1 lead against the White Sux and Lance Lynn.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/23/23, 07:13:19 AM
Thielbar threw a bullpen session Thursday & was to throw a live BP yday. Polanco will see some time at 3rd during his rehab.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/23/23, 10:22:17 AM
I sure wish Gray looked sharper on his last several outings since his complete game.   I hope his trade value isn't shrinking too much.  The national broadcast guys mentioned there will be a lot of teams looking for starting pitching at the trade deadline, and there aren't many available.

I hope the Twins get what they can for Gray, and that they get some other team to over pay for once.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/23/23, 12:13:51 PM
Gray has had like 2 bad outings all season. I don't know what more the guy can do. You don't build a starting rotation, get into first place and than dismantle it.

 I'm not sure they will or should do anything. Maybe another bat or reliever. The pieces are on this team, they just aren't hitting.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/24/23, 12:19:05 PM
I wasn't paying close attention early, but I knew he was pitching well enough to win and was getting no support.

The first time I really watched him pitch was his complete game shutout.  He was dominant.  And since that time - to me, who don't know squat about baseball - he looked shakier.  But it is also the sign of a good pitcher that he can get out of jams with minimal damage when he doesn't have his best stuff.  I'd say that is where Sonny is now.

And despite being in 1st place, I think they should consider Sonny trades at the deadline.  Maybe they can find a bat or a relieve who can help this year with a year or two of additional team control.

I don't think they should throw in the towel this season, but with all the injuries this team has suffered, and most of the lineup underperforming their career averages this season, I think they need to keep one eye on making another jump up next year - and Sonny won't be part of that team.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/24/23, 07:00:49 PM
 :scratch: https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/twins-all-star-sonny-gray-hasnt-ruled-out-retirement  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/25/23, 01:40:02 PM
:scratch: https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/twins-all-star-sonny-gray-hasnt-ruled-out-retirement  :confused:
Have to take him at his word.  Maybe a lot depends on his wife continuing to want to live the MLB lifestyle, having the kids 100% of the time when dad is gone.  I can imagine that would be tough.  And I'm sure he doesn't want to miss out completely on their growing up either.

But on the other side of the coin, wouldn't it be cool if dad played in "The Bigs" long enough for the kids to get old enough and remember it?

And I'm sure he has all the money he needs, but who wouldn't want to work 2, 3, or even 5 more years at $20 Mil/season?   :confused:

My opinion means nothing, but I'll bet he plays next season for someone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 07:24:15 AM
Yeah, you can see he's a fiery competitor as he never wants to come out of the game. Which I think is great. Personally, I think they'll make him a very good offer & he re-signs with the Twins. St Peter, Falvey, & Levine have been trying to build up the rotation since Falvey came to the team. This is the best starting pitching the Twins have had in a long time IMO, so I don't believe they'll be in any hurry to break it up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/23, 08:19:56 AM
I hope you are right.  Perhaps it will on hinge on whether ownership is willing to pay the going rate for top-flight free agent starting pitching.  If not, I hope they cash in on the asset they have for pitching prospects to keep their pipeline going - or - bats or relievers who can help them this year and next.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/26/23, 08:30:22 AM
So much for the bullpen. 7 runs given up in the 8th and 9th innings.  :thumbs:


Should have been a win last night.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/23, 09:22:33 AM
I didn't see the game, but looked up the recap...

Jovani Moran relieved Pablo López in the 8th and immediately walked two, and then gave up an RBI double to Cal Raleigh, making it a 6-3 game.

Emilio Pagán came in and gave up an RBI groundout, then a game-tying 2-run bomb to Julio Rodríguez, 6-6.

Oliver Ortega was tasked with the 9th and walked the lead-off man Cade Marlowe. A bunt single and a hit-by-pitch later, the bases were loaded with 0 outs. Then Eugenio Suárez doubled down the 3rd base line, scoring 2 runs. Teoscar Hernández followed that with a sac fly RBI to make it a 9-6 game.

No other way to explain it except to say bullpen melt down.  I know Moran and Pagan pitched the night before (and I don't remember the night before that), but I don't recall either of them working that hard.

Despite scoring early, the offense went cold after the 3rd inning and the Twins (again) struck out 18 times in the game.  The bullpen has to take responsibility for their performance, but it can't be good for their confidence and psyche to know the team doesn't have any offensive punch left.  There is no margin for error in tight games, and I think that messes with some of our relievers.  I've been hard on Pagan, but I hate him in high pressure spots.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 11:31:28 AM
Pagan has been pretty good the last 2-3 weeks & they've need him with Thielbar & Stewart still out. There's a lot of the season left & they don't need to blow out Jax's & Duran's arms. Even those 2 have had a bad day, now & then.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/23, 11:43:35 AM
You're right and it's my knee-jerk reaction every time Pagan comes in the game.  And surely it doesn't help a guy's confidence if he reads the crap jokers like me post on social media.

I've watched Duran serve up a couple of walk-off losses and I'm not so hard on him.

Mine is just unfiltered, biased fan reaction.  When Duran goes in the game, I'm thinking, "Go get 'em, tiger."  With Pagan I'm thinking, "Don't muck this up."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 12:11:34 PM
Rodriquez has been struggling at the plate lately, so he was due. In fact, yday they moved him out of the cleanup spot to take a little pressure off him & look what he does. He hits 2 HR & has 3 RBIs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/26/23, 12:16:57 PM
meh.......its the twins.........until the Griffins sell the team it wont matter.......they'll get bounced in the first round anyway!!!!!even if they make the playoffs!!!!!!! :pouty: :evil: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 12:37:52 PM
 :scratch: Griffins????? :bonk: Don't you mean Griffiths??? Oh, wait they've only been in the picture since the Carl Pohlad bought the team in 1984!!!!!!!!1 :mooning: :doah:   :scratch: I think you should stay in the house the rest of the day because you've obviously been out in the sun TOO MUCH today.    :sleazy: :evil: :rolleyes: :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/23, 12:54:36 PM
(https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-here-comes-the-new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss-pete-townshend-76-83-40.jpg)  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 01:22:14 PM
meh.......its the twins.........until the Griffins sell the team it wont matter.......they'll get bounced in the first round anyway!!!!!even if they make the playoffs!!!!!!! :pouty: :evil: :happy1:
:scratch: Guess that means you don't remember much of 1987 & 1991 then either.  :pouty:  :nerd: :mooning: That's 2 more than that other Mpls team.  :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/26/23, 01:41:36 PM
Yea well.... What have they done lately.  :rolleyes: and those you flukes, they were never expected to go there!! :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/26/23, 01:58:00 PM
meh.......its the twins.........until the Griffins sell the team it wont matter.......they'll get bounced in the first round anyway!!!!!even if they make the playoffs!!!!!!! :pouty: :evil: :happy1:
:scratch: Guess that means you don't remember much of 1987 & 1991 then either.  :pouty:  :nerd: :mooning: That's 2 more than that other Mpls team.  :sad:

As I recall, the first thing the Twins did after winning the '87 Series was to trade Tom Brunansky.  I don't want to mis-remember history, but wasn't it because the Twins were too cheap to re-sign Brunansky?  (I don't remember if his contract was coming up or not.)

Just months after playing each other in the World Series, the Twins shocked both their fans and Brunansky by trading him on April 22, 1988, to the St. Louis Cardinals for second baseman Tom Herr. Although the move was meant to strengthen the top of the order, Herr spent one lackluster season with the Twins, during which he complained about being in Minnesota, while Brunansky continued his home run hitting ways for six more seasons.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/26/23, 02:44:01 PM
Yea well.... What have they done lately.  :rolleyes: and those you flukes, they were never expected to go there!! :rotflmao:
:scratch: Just like you catching a walleye?  ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/26/23, 03:11:08 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: walleyes are rough fish. :sleazy: :mooning:

I want a fish with flavor.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/26/23, 06:09:34 PM
The beauty of baseball is it takes a bit of knowledge of the sport to truly enjoy it. Those who complain the most are casual fans vs hardcore fans. I could argue that hitting a baseball is the single hardest thing to do in the big 4 sports. But the haters will never get the sport until it turns into football where offense rules the day. Purists seem to enjoy a well played 4-3 game over a sloppy 14-13 affair.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/26/23, 06:22:18 PM
 :rotflmao: :happy1: I know dutchy, just ruffling Gunners feathers  :sleazy: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/26/23, 08:02:32 PM
When it is a tie after 9 and they put a guy on second it pisses my purist buddy off.  I told him I love it cuz by then I am ready to get the game over.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/26/23, 08:27:53 PM
Me also, but thats what you get when the commish is trying to copy football with offense. I think that the NFL should take a defensive player off the field during overtime.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/27/23, 07:18:50 AM
Twins trade Jorge Lopez to Miami for reliever Dylon Floro.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/27/23, 07:24:57 AM
:rotflmao: :happy1: I know dutchy, just ruffling Gunners feathers  :sleazy: :rotflmao:
:pouty: :tut: :shocked:              ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:           
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/27/23, 07:27:53 AM
When it is a tie after 9 and they put a guy on second it pisses my purist buddy off.  I told him I love it cuz by then I am ready to get the game over.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:scratch: I wasn't a fan early on.................kind of like it now. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on July 07/27/23, 08:00:00 AM
Me also, but thats what you get when the commish is trying to copy football with offense. I think that the NFL should take a defensive player off the field during overtime.


 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on July 07/27/23, 11:13:42 AM
Thielbar will make his final rehab appearance in St Paul this weekend & rejoin the Twins in St Louis, most likely on Tuesday. Polanco will be with the team in KC this weekend & Stewart threw a 15 pitch bullpen session yday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on July 07/27/23, 11:20:03 AM
:rotflmao: :happy1: I know dutchy, just ruffling Gunners feathers  :sleazy: :rotflmao:
:pouty: :tut: :shocked:              ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:           
:sleazy: :super smiley: :super smiley: :laughroll:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on July 07/27/23, 02:19:17 PM
Twins trade Jorge Lopez to Miami for reliever Dylon Floro.
Ball guys... help me out with this one.

Is this just two teams trading similar pitchers in the hopes that a change of scenery will be better for both of them?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on July 07/27/23, 02:45:43 PM
Probably.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on July 07/27/23, 06:36:53 PM
Twins trade Jorge Lopez to Miami for reliever Dylon Floro.
Ball guys... help me out with this one.

Is this just two teams trading similar pitchers in the hopes that a change of scenery will be better for both of them?   :confused:


It's a case of trading a guy who doesn't want to be here (Lopez) for a guy with a expiring contract at years end. Addition through subtraction. It happens often.....the Brunansky for Tommy Herr trade has been mentioned here. Herr hated it here and became a clubhouse cancer leaving the Twins no choice but to get rid of him. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/02/23, 10:57:36 AM
Twins stand pat while the rest of the American League Central sells.

Obviously those teams are building for the future and the Twins did not feel compelled to mortgage theirs to invest in a team that isn't primed to make a deep playoff run this year.

Perhaps they did listen to offers for pending free agents Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda, but obviously the returns coming back weren't good enough.

The cavalry is not coming.  Good luck to the lads the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/02/23, 01:59:35 PM
With Cleveland and Chicago selling starting pitchers, the Twins are now 3 to 1 favorites to win the Central. I would guess they had offers for their young players and said NO. Good for them. They are really stocked with left handed hitters. Not so much from the right side as they continue to struggle against left handed pitching.  :cry:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/02/23, 04:09:56 PM
And if the Twins lose their two free-agent starters next season, we'll be on par with with Cleveland and Chicago again in the worst division of the American League.  :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/02/23, 04:20:24 PM
I heard they asked about France(1B), & Hernandez (RF) both RH from Seattle but the asking price was too steep.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/03/23, 08:01:03 AM
Read where Stewart had some arm soreness after he threw last, so they had him get another MRI. That will set back his return, no word on how long yet though. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/03/23, 08:38:07 AM
I feel bad for Ryan.  He isn't fooling anyone right now.  The broadcasters are trying to help explain it, but it is hard to understand how he can go from pitching a full game shutout to serving up homeruns on the first pitch in multiple games.  He's not just getting hit, he's getting shelled.

I'm glad he finally "did something different" in the 4th inning and got some people out.  I know Rocco likes the "trust the process" message that he keeps preaching, but Joe needs a new process, because what he has been doing ain't been working for the past 3 starts. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/03/23, 11:41:07 AM
Twins' Joe Ryan: Might get extra rest (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/twins-joe-ryan-might-get-extra-rest/)

Twins manager Rocco Baldelli suggested late Wednesday that Ryan might get extra rest between his next start, Bobby Nightengale of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports.

Ryan struggled again in a loss at St. Louis on Wednesday, yielding seven runs on nine hits -- four homers -- over just four innings. He's given up 17 home runs across his last seven starts, the most of any Twins pitcher over a seven-start stretch in franchise history. Ryan currently lines up to work Monday's series opener at Detroit, but the Twins could push him back to a later date in that four-game set as he works on some mechanical tweaks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/03/23, 08:09:57 PM
He will get extra rest alright. Placed on 15 day Disabled list for groin issues.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/03/23, 11:06:42 PM
Dallas Kuechel will get a start against the D-Backs this weekend. Gray pitched great tonight & finally got that "no wins since April" monkey off his back. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/04/23, 05:22:53 AM
I missed the story where we even had Dallas Kuechel in the minors.  It will be fun to see what he has left in the tank.

Rocco was his cool and collected self in his pre-game interview, but he didn't pull any punches when he said two or three times that Ryan was hiding an injury from the team.

Sometimes teams need underperforming players to go on the IL, and a player's ache or pain will bloom temporarily into an injury for the sake of the list, but I would imagine if they do - the team wouldn't throw them under the bus by saying, "The player needs to tell the team about these sorts of things, and Joe knows this now."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/04/23, 08:14:06 AM
I posted that they'd signed him back on 6/24. He's been doing pretty good for the Saints. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38129570/twins-call-2015-cy-young-winner-keuchel-put-ryan-il
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/05/23, 08:13:06 AM
Lucky for the popped-up bunt as Duran looked a little shaky again last night. :rolleyes: Maeda tonight & Keuchel tomorrow the way it looks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/05/23, 12:08:24 PM
August 5th and they are still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/06/23, 07:43:41 AM
Fun game to watch yday :happy1: :cool:.......................so was the 1 in Cleveland. ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/06/23, 08:38:23 PM
Kepler and Wallner get it done in the 9th.

Twins still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/07/23, 07:59:01 AM
Keuchel gave up 8 hits but only 1 run & hardly anything reached the outfield. Some good glove work by Castro at 3rd helped too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/07/23, 08:42:57 AM
I'm not going to say his name for fear of jinxing him, but one un-named outfielder has got a little somethin-somethin going on at the plate.  He better not change his sox.

Hopefully that will ignite Correa and Gallo, who seem like they are the two easiest outs in baseball - except for Correa, who literally IS the easiest two outs in baseball with all the double plays he hits into.  :undecided:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/07/23, 01:23:43 PM
 That guy behind the plate has been doing his share since about the ASG break too. :happy1: Correa did get the big 2 out hit in the 6th to knock in the 1st 2 runs though. :cool: I agree, way too many DP for him this season. :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/07/23, 08:52:13 PM
Pounded on Detroit tonight. August 7th and still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/08/23, 06:44:52 AM
Biggest lead of the summer.....5 1/2 games over Cleveland. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/08/23, 08:13:56 AM
Yep, those bat swingers need to start thinking about being able to beat the Orioles, Rays, Jays, and Rangers.  The Twins' gaudy 6-games-over-500 record is still only good for 4th place in both the AL East/West.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/08/23, 02:43:27 PM
Lewis could be back pretty soon, he's starting a rehab with the Saints today. :happy1: They can use another RH bat.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/08/23, 03:12:17 PM
 The Twins Won’t Exercise Max Kepler’s Option…Will They? (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/the-twins-wont-exercise-max-keplers-option%E2%80%A6will-they-r14779/)  :scratch:

Max Kepler has played nine years for the Minnesota Twins after they signed him as an international free agent out of Germany. His backstory is well-documented, and the son of ballet dancers has become a staple for the Twins. 2023 looked to be the end of the line, but thanks to a recent resurgence, that seems less straightforward.

Coming into the season, for the second offseason in a row, the Twins front office had a straightforward opportunity to trade Max Kepler. They had Alex Kirilloff ready for more playing time, with Trevor Larnach and Matt Wallner knocking on the door. Pepper in Joey Gallo for $11 million over the winter, and the log jam for Rocco Baldelli's outfield was piling up.

Without the infield shift, the theory was that it would give Kepler additional opportunities for production. Still, knowing that his downfall has been launch angle more than anything, that wasn't a guaranteed outcome. As of June 18, Kepler has bottomed out with a .189/.261/.365 slash line. His .625 OPS wasn't cutting it, and the otherwise outstanding defense in right field also slipped.

Then he turned it on.

For 40 games from June 20 through August 6, Kepler slashed .291/.343/.582. For a slumping Twins lineup, he had become arguably their best bat. When the trade deadline came, the front office may have had an opportunity to again capitalize on what they believed was fair value for him, but instead stood pat. Kepler has continued to rake and destroyed the longest home run hit this season over the weekend against the Arizona Diamondbacks. It was his third straight game with a home run, and shades of his 2019 Bomba Squad season were showing.

...

The Twins would prefer a more straightforward version of success rather than a significant peak having to make up for the valley, but baseball is 162 games for a reason. Kepler has utilized the entire schedule to get on track this season, and he has the runway in front of him to continue being a key cog for a Minnesota postseason run.

It would have been lunacy to pose this question even a couple of months ago, and I was all but out on Kepler myself. At this point, he's at least made the decision worth considering, and he could make it an absolute no-brainer by season's end.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/08/23, 05:54:10 PM
Yep, those bat swingers need to start thinking about being able to beat the Orioles, Rays, Jays, and Rangers.  The Twins' gaudy 6-games-over-500 record is still only good for 4th place in both the AL East/West.

Nothing matters except making the play-offs. You can't beat anybody unless you qualify for the play-offs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/08/23, 07:33:42 PM
Yep, those bat swingers need to start thinking about being able to beat the Orioles, Rays, Jays, and Rangers.  The Twins' gaudy 6-games-over-500 record is still only good for 4th place in both the AL East/West.

Nothing matters except making the play-offs. You can't beat anybody unless you qualify for the play-offs.
if they do i may just jump on the bandwagon!!!!!!!! :sleazy: :rolleyes: :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/09/23, 07:11:07 AM
  :scratch: :doah: Nooooooo!!!!!  :banghead: They always play better when you're badmouthing 'em.  :pouty:  :nerd: :evil:             ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/09/23, 08:35:05 AM
  :scratch: :doah: Nooooooo!!!!!  :banghead: They always play better when you're badmouthing 'em.  :pouty:  :nerd: :evil:             ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
:evil: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

OK they suck..........there gonna blow it at the end and miss the playoffs.  :sleazy: better!!!!!!!!!! :moon: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/09/23, 09:05:54 AM
  :scratch: :doah: Nooooooo!!!!!  :banghead: They always play better when you're badmouthing 'em.  :pouty:  :nerd: :evil:             ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
:evil: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

OK they suck..........there gonna blow it at the end and miss the playoffs.  better!!!!!!!!!!
Finally, an honest and true MN sports fan molded by years and years of disappointment.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/09/23, 09:11:16 AM
I know they can't win 'um all, but left handed pitching is one of their Achilles heels. 

Sonny Gray can't seem to avoid the big inning.  I know he is having a better year this year, and I remember last year Rocco wouldn't allow him to thru the lineup three times, but...  but...  but...  Heck, I don't know.

Sometimes its just like the ol' song says: "...if they don't win its a shame."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/10/23, 06:49:02 AM
Simple.....out hit and out pitched by the Tigers. Can't consistently beat the crappy teams in their own division. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/10/23, 07:35:53 AM
  :scratch: :doah: Nooooooo!!!!!  :banghead: They always play better when you're badmouthing 'em.  :pouty:  :nerd: :evil:             ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:
:evil: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

OK they suck..........there gonna blow it at the end and miss the playoffs.  :sleazy: better!!!!!!!!!! :moon: :rotflmao:
:pouty: Well,.........................THAT sure didn't work!! :thumbs: :doah:                  ;) :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/10/23, 08:10:37 AM
I see they play at noonish today.  Good way to kill an afternoon.   :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/10/23, 11:43:34 AM
I see they play at noonish today.  Good way to kill an afternoon.   :sleazy:
watching paint dry would be more entertaining!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :doah: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/10/23, 11:58:42 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:  Pretty close. That is also during my after lunch nap time so will fit right in.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/10/23, 12:54:54 PM
I see they play at noonish today.  Good way to kill an afternoon.   :sleazy:
watching paint dry would be more entertaining!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :doah: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:scratch: Don't you have some more dead stuff to pull out of the garden anyway. :sleazy: :evil:       ;) :rolleyes: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/10/23, 02:27:47 PM
I see they play at noonish today.  Good way to kill an afternoon.   :sleazy:
watching paint dry would be more entertaining!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :doah: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:scratch: Don't you have some more dead stuff to pull out of the garden anyway. :sleazy: :evil:       ;) :rolleyes: :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :mooning: :mooning: :mooning: naw i'm kakin salsa outta da garden stuff!!!!!!!  :mooning: :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/10/23, 03:31:30 PM
 :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/11/23, 02:34:10 PM
Twins are .592 since the All-Star Break.   :scratch:

Still a "Jekyll and Hyde" team in what is supposed to be the easiest schedule in baseball the rest of the way.    :doah:

Twins sweep A's (July 14-16) :happy1:
Twins split 4 with Mariners (July 17-20) :coffee:
Twins sweep White Sox (July 21-23) :cool:
Twins lose 2 of 3 to the Mariners (July 24-26) :undecided:
Twins swept by KC (July 28-30)  :embarrassed:
Twins win 2 of 3 against Cardinals (Aug 1-3) :azn:
Twins sweep Diamond Backs (Aug 4-6)  :bow:
Twins lose 3 of 4 to Detroit (Aug 7-10) :puke:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/11/23, 06:19:07 PM
They still are in first place. Nothing else matters
.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/12/23, 07:59:25 AM
They still are in first place. Nothing else matters
.
They're 5-5 for their last 10 games, that ties Detroit & KC for the best record in the division. Cleveland got walked off in TB last night & are 3-7 for their last 10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/12/23, 08:18:40 AM
I see in the Strib they are calling it a 13-2 "romp".  The wife said is was an azz kicking.  LOL
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/12/23, 12:04:37 PM
They still are in first place. Nothing else matters
.
They're 5-5 for their last 10 games, that ties Detroit & KC for the best record in the division. Cleveland got walked off in TB last night & are 3-7 for their last 10.
Either they're the best of the worst, or the worst of the best.  It doesn't really matter.   :coffee:

I see in the Strib they are calling it a 13-2 "romp".  The wife said is was an azz kicking.  LOL
I thought a "romp" was when both sides had a little fun...  :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/12/23, 12:18:31 PM
This is where I eat my hat...

We Owe Max Kepler and Emilio Pagan an Apology (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/we-owe-max-kepler-and-emilio-pagan-an-apology-r14810/)

Max Kepler and Emilio Pagán were left for dead by most Twins fans just a month ago. They have both been proving fans wrong and providing immeasurable value to a team that desperately needs it.
...
Well, since that back-breaking home run that he allowed on that June night in Toronto, Pagán has shown what his ceiling can be. In the 23 appearances since that game, Pagán has posted a 1.59 ERA with 21 strikeouts and eight walks.
...
Since the 0-for-4 performance on June 11, Kepler owns a .853 OPS in 48 games with 11 home runs and 26 RBI in 168 plate appearances.
...
So, Max and Emilio, on behalf of all of Twins Territory… We are sorry!  Most of us wanted you gone, and you have proven us wrong. We just hope that you continue to prove us wrong, because the Twins will need you both down the stretch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/12/23, 09:58:01 PM
Lopez!! :bow: Gallo has 4 hits??  :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/13/23, 06:52:30 AM
Lopez has been good in 90% of his starts so we shouldn't be surprised. Gallo is putting up the numbers he always puts up....low average, monstrous homeruns, tons of strikeouts with above average defense. Nobody should be surprised by his numbers either.

August 13th, Twins are still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/13/23, 07:51:01 AM
I agree on Lopez, he's been good except for 1, maybe 2, starts IMO. But Gallo didn't even know when he last had 4 hits in a game in the postgame interview with Audra. He actually said it might've been in the minors, but Timmy & Katie already had that fact as soon as the game ended & it was May of 2019. He actually went to LF on the 1st HR. :shocked: I'd love to see more of that. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/13/23, 04:09:05 PM
Twins pitching gives up 13 to the Phillies Friday night and 1 run combined Saturday & Sunday. Still a few open seats on the bandwagon for the naysayers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/13/23, 06:13:22 PM
Tim Laudner also referred to them as a Jekylle and Hyde team in the post game show today - and to expect more of that the rest if the way.

No, they aren't out of it, but they are still playing .500-ish baseball.

With some of the new guys heating up, it will be very interesting to see what they do with Buxton when he comes back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/13/23, 06:23:03 PM
Buxton will play when he's ready.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/13/23, 09:52:44 PM
Lewis has been with the Saints since Tuesday, so he could be back soon. Some nice work by Thielbar today to get Jax out of a jam. They're off 3 times in the next week.  :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/14/23, 07:19:38 AM
I see they play Tue Wed and Fri.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/14/23, 08:03:26 AM
Yeah, they're off next Monday too. It's 2 with Detroit, then 3 with the Pirates, before going to Milwaukee for 2. A big homestand after that has 'em playing 4 with the Rangers & 3 with the Guardians.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/14/23, 08:36:06 AM
Buxton will play when he's ready.
That's what I'm afraid of.  A nicked-up Donovan Solano went 3 for 5 yesterday as DH.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/15/23, 07:51:19 AM
 I read 1 pc recently where it was suggested that with Lewis coming back soon, he'll go back to playing 3rd. They can use his bat, especially against lefties IMO. That then moves Polanco to 2nd, so in order to keep Julien's bat in the lineup Rocco would platoon him at DH.  :scratch: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/15/23, 08:27:03 AM
Y'all know I don't know nothin' about nothin', but with the way this team hits, don't you have to find places for the players with the hot bats?   :confused:

Bremmer says they've been giving Correa more "time off his feet," but what does that really mean?  Is it two sides of the same coin?  Yeah, they want him fresh for the playoffs, but maybe that old ankle injury is affecting his hitting.  :scratch:  Still, I don't see any player getting hot enough to knock Correa out of the lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/15/23, 08:34:57 AM
i got more fsith in the Vikings winning the super bowl then the Twins winnung a first round playoff series!!!!!!!1 :happy1: :evil: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/15/23, 08:44:42 AM
i got more fsith in the Vikings winning the super bowl then the Twins winnung a first round playoff series!!!!!!!1 :happy1: :evil: :rotflmao:

Glenn, you day drinking or just boning up on your Boranese  :confused:  :rotflmao: 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/15/23, 08:48:36 AM
i got more fsith in the Vikings winning the super bowl then the Twins winnung a first round playoff series!!!!!!!1 :happy1: :evil: :rotflmao:

Glenn, you day drinking or just boning up on your Boranese  :confused:  :rotflmao:
nope on the drinking.......and maybe!!!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/15/23, 04:02:16 PM
Twins trade Willi Castro for Royce Lewis in never-ending revolving IL door (https://puckettspond.com/posts/twins-trade-willi-castro-for-royce-lewis-injured-list-01h7x21nche4)

Royce Lewis is finally back with the Twins!

Activating Lewis comes at a price, though. To make room the Twins made a corresponding move to place utilityman Willi Castro on the 15-day IL.

Castro’s injury is being classified as a ‘mild oblique strain’, and it’s unclear when he’ll be back with the club. Much like Lewis, Castro is expected to complete a rehab assignment at Triple-A St. Paul before returning to the Twins, at which point another move will need to be made to make room.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/15/23, 06:33:01 PM
That's too bad.  Castro and Taylor seem to be pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/16/23, 08:06:36 AM
  :tut: Taylor isn't going anywhere, he's too good in CF. Castro will be back soon too, his versatility in the field allows Rocco to make a lot moves when they're batting. Plus, he leads 'em in stolen bases. Lewis at 3rd, Polanco at 2nd, & Solano at DH last night. Wallner was sitting on that fastball & when it got a little more of the plate than they wanted, he crushed it.  :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/16/23, 08:10:33 AM
Was a fun game. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/16/23, 10:07:54 AM
  :tut: Taylor isn't going anywhere, he's too good in CF. Castro will be back soon too, his versatility in the field allows Rocco to make a lot moves when they're batting. Plus, he leads 'em in stolen bases. Lewis at 3rd, Polanco at 2nd, & Solano at DH last night. Wallner was sitting on that fastball & when it got a little more of the plate than they wanted, he crushed it.  :happy1: :cool:
So does that leave Byron on the bench pinch hitting/running  :scratch: (assuming he can hit and run when he comes back :doah:)?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/16/23, 09:25:50 PM
Was a fun game. 
:scratch: :doah: Sssssh!!!!!!1 Don't tell glenn.  :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/16/23, 09:30:01 PM
 No, he'll still be DH most of the time against LH pitching when he's healthy IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/17/23, 06:10:32 AM
With the heat returning it will be good to get Buxton back fanning the air.

Seriously tho, if the Twins were to make a run it will be his bat that leads the offensive way.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/17/23, 07:48:30 AM
They had their chances yday in the 3rd & 4th innings when they stranded 5 guys. Both Gallo & Wallner struck out instead. To be fair, they both had tough pitches to hit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/17/23, 08:10:22 AM
 Check this out, somebody's livin right. :crazy: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/twins-player-drilled-by-foul-ball-while-standing-in-on-deck-circle/ar-AA1fmhow?ocid
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on August 08/17/23, 08:17:33 AM
lucky guy!!!   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/17/23, 09:22:23 AM
With the heat returning it will be good to get Buxton back fanning the air.

Seriously tho, if the Twins were to make a run it will be his bat that leads the offensive way.
Maybe we're saying the almost the same thing, but I think the Twins can make a more serious push this year without Buxton.  However, they won't make it very far.  How many teams have make deep playoff runs without any production - offense or defense - from one of their star players.   :confused:

Buxton is an emotional leader and if he catches fire, I like their chances to be playing their best team baseball at the most important time of year.  :happy1:

If not, they'll be a .500 club playing against the best teams in baseball.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/23, 06:15:55 AM
Lopez was only 13/26 on the 1st pitch but he only walked 2. :happy1: It was Jax bailing out Thielbar yday & 4 of the 5 RBIs came with 2 out. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/19/23, 09:11:35 AM
That Pirates pitcher, Andre Jackson, who was supposed to be some sort of a pseudo 'opener' was cruisin' right along.  The Twinks were fortunate to nick him for 2 runs.

The broadcasters made a big deal about the hitting approach - go after him early they said, cause he won't be in the game for more than a couple innings. 

Well, he pitched into the 5th and held the Twins to 2 runs.  Not bad.

Nice to see the boys keep grinding and tack on a few more runs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/19/23, 10:26:47 AM
Yeah, I thought Jackson looked good too. Morneau no more than said Taylor was due & it was gone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/21/23, 02:18:15 PM
I can't remember if it was Saturday's or Sunday's game that seemed to have really bad ball/strike calls.

Then I see this article/compilation.  Some of the calls Angel Hernandez makes in these video clips reminded me of the bad calls in the Twins game.  They are worth watching if you feel your blood pressure is too low.

I wish MLB would just get over themselves and figure out how to use the dang electronics on a full-time basis.

MLB ump Ángel Hernández under fire over egregious strike calls during Braves-Giants (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-ump-angel-hernandez-under-fire-egregious-strike-calls-braves-giants)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4AKgflasAAGPxD?format=jpg&name=360x360)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4AKhu4aQAAvnn7?format=jpg&name=360x360)

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/21/23, 02:27:19 PM
They were really bad that day. They really need the electronic strike zone. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/21/23, 03:30:13 PM
Speak of the devil...  This post is one hour old...

Sports Illustrated:  MLB Fans Crushed Umpire Laz Diaz After Another Abysmal Game Behind Home Plate (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/08/21/pirates-twins-mlb-umpire-laz-diaz-ripped-by-fans)

Major League Baseball has a serious umpiring problem right now, and most of it has to do with two veterans who continue to be really bad at their jobs - Angel Hernandez and Laz Diaz.

These two guys were both working behind home plate in separate games on Sunday and they both put forward some of the worst performances that you’ll ever see.

(https://www.si.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_760/MjAwMjQxMjc3MTE4MTk0Nzk2/screenshot-2023-08-21-at-21413-pm.webp)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/21/23, 04:05:46 PM
MLB evaluates its umpires like Angel Hernandez with an impossibly lenient grading system (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/mlb-umpires-angel-hernandez-grading-scale-system-strikes-scorecard)

MLB employs a team of auditors to assist in its review of each game. The auditors set a unique strike zone for each player based on his setup in the batter’s box. The top of the strike zone is his beltline and the bottom the hollow of his back knee, both determined when he’s loading and preparing to swing. The margin of error is implemented off the corners — 2 inches on each side of the plate.

When you add a fuzzy 2" margin for error around the strike zone, Diaz's called strike accuracy jumps from 73% to 92% or maybe higher - depending on how lenient the evaluators are.  Not good, but apparently not bad enough to get guys like him and Hernandez fired.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/21/23, 06:18:54 PM
The electronic strike zone is just another joke MLB will refuse to explain. Has anybody, anybody at all ever watched a replay of a play that was challenged and said " thats a no brainer they will overturn that" only to have it upheld with no explanation.

I'm 1,000% against replays, challenges and any electronic zones. It's a game played by humans, let it be officiated by humans.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/21/23, 06:29:29 PM
The electronic strike zone is just another joke MLB will refuse to explain. Has anybody, anybody at all ever watched a replay of a play that was challenged and said " thats a no brainer they will overturn that" only to have it upheld with no explanation.

I'm 1,000% against replays, challenges and any electronic zones. It's a game played by humans, let it be officiated by humans.
i gree dutchy...except this hernandez guy!!!!!!!

been watching some of the little league world series......umps there are way better then him!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/21/23, 08:15:54 PM
I pine for the old days too, but there is too much money riding on each play in all the big sports to not do what they can to catch egregious mistakes. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/23/23, 08:04:30 AM
Even Bremer who has been calling Twins games for 41 years calls for it at least twice a week because of the inconsistency of the calls. It has been in the minors for a while now, so it's just a matter of time IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/23/23, 08:11:27 AM
Getaway day today, Maeda @ 1:10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/23/23, 09:18:56 AM
I was going to ask what happened last night, and I saw this.  The team was "Baldellied" again.   :doah:

Baldelli's decision to pull Bailey Ober blows up and Twins get blasted by Brewers (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/baldellis-decision-to-pull-bailey-ober-blows-up-and-twins-get-blasted-by-brewers)

Bailey Ober gave the Twins five innings while allowing just two runs on two hits. Ober needed 78 pitches to get through five innings and he had set the Brewers down 1-2-3 in both the fourth and fifth innings, but manager Rocco Baldelli elected to go to the 'pen and give Floro a try.

Dylan Floro entered the game and gave up five runs on six hits.   :cry:  :angry: :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/23/23, 09:46:16 AM
May not be that he pulled Ober to soon.....but that he pur in the wrong guy out of the pen.
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/23/23, 09:57:51 AM
Good point.  And I realize that Baldelli needs to find out who he's got.  Plus he has the luxury of doing so in a division where no one seems motivated to win.  Sometimes its just fun to stir the pot with typical, knee-jerk fan reaction.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/25/23, 06:11:36 AM
Castro starts a rehab today & Kirilloff probably will early next week. Ryan's about to come off the IL & could start tomorrow. Currently it's TBA for Saturday, Gray goes today @ 7:10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/25/23, 07:26:14 AM
Right handed hitters came through for a change....5 home runs. Nice to see Louis back in the  lineup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/25/23, 08:13:39 AM
Some nice work by Winder yday too  :happy1: :cool: as Lopez was getting knocked around pretty hard.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/25/23, 02:59:33 PM
Last night's game is what fans should hope to see from a team with playoff aspirations.  No one gave up and the offense kept on putting pressure on the Texas pitchers and defense.  Jeffers is turning into being quite the pinch hitter.   :happy1:

Nice to see Correa come thru with a clutch double.  I am really growing tired of him hitting weak grounders to short.  It seems like the only time he doesn't hit into a double play is when no one is on first.   :bonk:

Ump knew he was making bad calls behind the plate last night and I'm pretty sure he made some intentionally bad make-up calls against Texas to even things up.  :puke:

How about this...  They keep talking about a challenge system for balls and strikes.  Instead of the manager losing the team's challenge when they get one wrong...  For balls and strikes, how about if the plate ump loses 3 challenges, they swap him out with the 2nd base ump.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/25/23, 03:48:36 PM
Challenges would not be needed with a mechanical strike zone. Works in the Minors. Why not MLB?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/25/23, 04:01:21 PM
I thought Bremmer was talking (again) about a balls/strikes challenge system that they were also evaluating.

It may be that because of the collective bargaining with the umps, they have to do a challenge system instead of replacing them outright behind the plate.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/25/23, 04:25:18 PM
AAA is using Automated Balls and Strikes. Or Robo Umps. It includes cameras around the park that send a signal to the home plate Umpire. The strike zone is adjusted by the batter's height. They can be challanged 3 times during the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on August 08/25/23, 08:17:32 PM
Just a matter of time.  Done deal.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/25/23, 10:38:04 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35434317/sources-all-aaa-parks-use-electronic-strike-zone-23 :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/26/23, 06:25:29 AM
Much like Biden being President just because it happens doesn't mean i'll like it.

August 26th, Twins are still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/26/23, 05:40:01 PM
Has to be better than what I have seen this year. Players are complaining and they are right.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/26/23, 07:04:59 PM
The game I played and fell in love with as a kid has become sterilized. Some things I understand, some I don't. Major changes since I was a kid.
Hitters are all padded up. There is no fear of being hit. Pitchers refuse to pitch up & in. You can't take a player out at second on a double play. You can't roll a catcher no matter where he is standing. Hitters are given the plate, pitchers have little recourse than to throw it over the plate to get whacked. The balls are juiced and used anytime MLB wants to step up the offense. Stickem is outlawed to increase the offense. Fields are smaller and defense is optional for some teams.

Robo umps after 3 years will have killed the game from the gamesmanship aspect. There will be no arguing, no managers getting tossed. The front office will control the game 100%.

BTW, for those of you who think baseball is slow and hard to watch.....a 9 inning baseball game properly played is shorter than a NFL game.

August 26th and the Twins are still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/27/23, 10:33:26 AM
The Golden Age of Baseball is a victim of today's bigger, stronger, faster athletes - plus the outrageous money - like all major pro sports.

I don't think baseball was ever envisioned to be a contact sport.  Wasn't it Pete Rose's play at the plate - taking out the opposing catcher - which changed the game for a while?  I don't want to see catchers injured because of a blocking play at the plate.  Nor do I want to see 2nd basemen knocked out of a game because runner (who is more or less already out) slides in hard with spikes high.

As for pitching, I don't know when pitchers stopped pitching up and in on a regular basis.  It was probably a combination of several things - one of which is so many, harder throwers. 

Bottom line is...  no one wants to see someone's season or career ended because of one unnecessary play in one game of a 162 game season.

As for umps...  I have never been a fan of umps who have their own interpretation of the strike zone.  Baseball excused this forever, claiming as long as it was called the same for both sides there was nothing wrong with it.  If they end up with robo umps, they will have brought it upon themselves.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/27/23, 10:44:11 AM
I'm no Rocco apologist, but I liked his moves last night.

I think he got what he could out of Ryan.  There was no reason to ask him to go toe-to-toe with Scherzer with a 6 game lead in the division and already having won two of the 4 games in the series.  Let the bullpen do their job.

Thielbar gave up a run, but they got it right back.  Pagan did his job.  And I liked that Rocco put Duran in the 8th to face the top of the lineup instead of saving him for the 9th - do what is best for the team, not just what is best for the closer.  Duran did his job.

I think this was the 2nd time in recent memory that Rocco put Jax in for the 9th.  Nothing wrong with challenging players from time to time to see if they will step up.  Jax just wasn't up to the task last night. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/28/23, 07:52:07 AM
I thought I missed yesterday's game and didn't turn on the TV until what turned out to be the 13th inning!

It was nice to see the Twins get one back from the Rangers in the very the same way we gave one to the Rangers the night before.   :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/28/23, 08:02:33 AM
Preview from Cleveland, OH...

Guardians’ postseason begins Monday night against the Twins at Target Field (https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2023/08/guardians-postseason-begins-monday-night-against-the-twins-at-target-field.html)

The calendar inside Ramon Laureano’s head says it’s time for October baseball.  Laureano and the Guardians have jumped ahead of the traditional ways of marking time because they have no choice. They trail the first-place Twins in the AL Central by six games with 31 to play.  “These are going to be playoffs games,” said Laureano. “We go to Minneapolis now and then we play them again at home. This is the playoffs.”  The Guardians have the youngest roster in the big leagues, but most of it went to the postseason last year. Laureano and Calhoun have been away from October a lot longer than that so they’re enjoying this.
...
Its too early to start thinking about "Magic Numbers," but after these two series with the Guardians, it ought to be a lot more clear.  Will the race be over or will it go down to the wire?   :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/28/23, 06:34:37 PM
Twins sweep at home would end it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on August 08/28/23, 06:50:36 PM
Sorry,  with so many games in a season its tough for me to keep tabs. But if the season ended today who would they play in the playoffs??? And in your opinion would they make the next round?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/28/23, 07:03:28 PM
Tampa would be the WC team they would play today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/28/23, 07:25:41 PM
With their pitching they can hang with anybody in the American League except Houston & Seattle.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/29/23, 08:11:35 AM
Some more good work by the young guys in the bullpen yday, 2 in a row for Winder. :happy1: Funderburk looked good too for being a 15th Rd pick in '18. His stats in AAA were good, hope they both can keep it up.  :cool: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38279714/twins-option-starting-pitcher-bailey-ober-triple-st-paul
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/29/23, 08:30:49 AM
I hope the batting is for real and sustainable.  Maybe the lads are getting hot at the right time of the year.    :popcorn: :popcorn:

In all of MLB, since the All Star Break, the Twinks are 5th in On Base Percentage (behind Seattle, Huston, Atlanta, and LA).  And they are 3rd in Slugging (behind only Seattle and Atlanta).   :cheerleader:

Ya gotta love a guy named Kody Funderburk on your squad.  I hope he turns out to be a folk-hero and fan favorite.  He looks like one of the Hanson brothers from the movie Slapshot.  :bonk:  You see a lot of guys do well in their debut, but get hit a little harder after the league has time to watch their tape.  Good luck Kody.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/30/23, 07:37:00 AM
It's almost impossible to have too many decent LH'ers in the bullpen IMO, especially this time of year. The #2-6 guys were 0-8 w/RISP last night & that hasn't been happening much lately. :scratch: Still up by 6 & according to ESPN they have a 96.9% chance of making the playoffs, Cleveland sits @ 2.9%. Getaway day today & Gray gets the ball, a 12:10 start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/30/23, 11:28:05 AM
How come no one is talking about Buxton?  Did I miss something?   :scratch:

Since I asked, I thought I'd check The Google...  :Photography:

Byron Buxton, Alex Kirilloff could be back with Twins very soon (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/byron-buxton-alex-kirilloff-could-be-back-with-twins-very-soon)

The Twins announced Tuesday that Buxton and Kirilloff will begin rehab assignments at Triple-A St. Paul beginning Wednesday, so it's safe to assume that if all goes well they'll be back with the Twins within a week or so.

The easiest solution to lineup construction issues would be splitting time in center field with Buxton and Michael A. Taylor, while Kirilloff splits time at first base with Donovan Solano. That would eliminate the issue of having to bounce Royce Lewis and Jorge Polanco all over the field and it would keep Matt Wallner's bat in the lineup.

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on August 08/30/23, 11:32:09 AM
 :scratch: who are these twins you talk about?? :scratch: :evil: :happy1:

Don't worry they get into the tournament I'll be on the bandwagon. :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/30/23, 04:47:09 PM
Ya gotta love a guy named Kody Funderburk on your squad.  ... You see a lot of guys do well in their debut, but get hit a little harder after the league has time to watch their tape.  Good luck Kody. 
Looks like Kole Calhoun did his homework.   :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on August 08/30/23, 06:43:28 PM
What about Galo, haven't heard his name in a while..
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on August 08/30/23, 06:49:45 PM
He is in rehab. Coming back soon like Buxton.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/31/23, 08:50:32 AM
Calhoun has hit LH'ers better (.320) than RH'ers (.250) this season. In fact, Bremer & Smalley questioned Rocco for bringing in Thielbar in the 8th inning because he might have to face him, & he did as Kwan singled & Ramirez walked.  Said Funderburk: "I gave him a heater, and he hit it. You can’t fall behind.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on August 08/31/23, 08:58:22 AM
He is in rehab. Coming back soon like Buxton.
:scratch: No sign of Gallo on the IL, that I could find. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/min/minnesota-twins :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/31/23, 10:15:12 AM
He hasn't been playing the field much, but they have been trotting him out there every so often as DH or PH.  He is what they thought he is.  He is good for a long fly ball (that may or may not go over the fence) or a strike out.  I've been seeing more the latter lately, which is why he prolly hasn't been in the lineup as frequently - with all the rookies starting to hit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/31/23, 05:54:24 PM
August 31 and the Twins finish the month in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on August 08/31/23, 06:24:17 PM
28 games remaining.  5 game lead.  3 head-to-head with the Guardians.  (I don't know how those head-to-head games change things.)

If the Twins go 14-14 (.500), the Guardians will need to go 20-8 (.714) to overtake the Twins.   :happy1:

But the jaded MN sports fan in me isn't lurking too far below the surface and stranger things have happened.   :surrender:

If the Twins play three games under .500, 11-17 (.392), the Guardians only have to play 3 games over .500, 17-11 (.607) to take the Twinks.  :doah:

Someone check my math, please.   :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on August 08/31/23, 09:54:26 PM
Only thing that matters is the upcoming series in Cleveland. If the Indians sweep we have a race, otherwise it's over.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/01/23, 08:02:17 AM
Buxton started in CF for the Saints on Wednesday. :cool: He played 7 innings, going 1-2 with 2 BBs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/01/23, 08:19:11 AM
I hope his return serves as a catalyst.  I think it is the key to unlocking this team for the playoffs.

They brought Taylor in primarily for defense, but since the All Star break he leads the team in home runs (10).  However, Taylor is still 7th in batting average in that span, and around 7th-9th in on base percentage. 

There is room for Buxton to make an impact, but not if he is still ice cold from the plate on his return.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/01/23, 11:22:25 AM
Report: Twins will be 'aggressive' on waiver wire Thursday (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/report-twins-will-be-aggressive-in-waiver-wire-thursday)

The waiver wire is filled with talent after the Los Angeles Angels dumped multiple players amid their free fall in the AL West. Among those released are relief pitchers Matt Moore and Reynaldo Lopez, two solid pitchers who would be huge additions to any bullpen, much less the a Minnesota bullpen that has been plagued since the All-Star break.

"I'm told the Twins worry, in particular, about the Reds claiming a guy or two. But based on the Twins losing to the Guardians the last two days, they now have waiver priority over the Diamondbacks and the Giants," said Wolfson.

"[The Twins] had interest in Matt Moore back in the winter. Reynaldo Lopez, yes, how would you turn that down? So those two relievers in particular, let's see what happens," Wolfson added.

There is already a report out that the team has made at least 3 waiver claims.   :happy1:

I don't know how all this works, or if anything will come of it.  Good luck to the lads.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/01/23, 11:36:15 AM
Cleveland's record is worse that the Twins, so they have priority with the waiver wire & they have already claimed all 3of those guys yday. I heard someone say that they snatched 'em up, just so the Twins couldn't. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/transactions/_/name/cle/cleveland-guardians
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/01/23, 05:10:05 PM
R'oh-oh.   :doah:  You called it.

Guardians will start Lucas Giolito on Monday against Twins in showdown series (https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2023/09/guardians-will-start-lucas-giolito-on-monday-against-twins-in-showdown-series.html)

Manager Terry Francona went to bed Wednesday night thinking the Guardians might claim one player on waivers before the Aug. 31 deadline.  “I never in a million years thought we’d get three pitchers,” said Francona.

Well, that’s exactly what the Guardians got as they claimed right-handers Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo Lopez and left-hander Matt Moore on waivers from the Angels.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/01/23, 06:47:42 PM
 :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/02/23, 07:33:57 AM
Buxton pulled from AAA Saints game with sore knee.  LOLOL.   He won't be back.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/02/23, 07:50:34 AM
Buxton pulled from AAA Saints game with sore knee.  LOLOL.   He won't be back.
he's worse then Maurer was at the end of his career!!!!!! :confused: and all the money they gave him. they should trade him for a couple baseballs!!!!!!! :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/02/23, 08:42:06 AM
Keuchel gets the ball today, @ 6:15 & it's on Fox too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/02/23, 12:40:17 PM
Buxton pulled from AAA Saints game with sore knee.  LOLOL.   He won't be back.
The boys on the broadcast - i think - were beating around the bush at this last night when they were talking about how Baldelli is going to have tough choices in picking the players who are contributing most to be on the playoff roster.

If Buxton came back gang busters, God bless him and the Twins.  But if he can't hit and can't play the outfield, the last thing they need is a roster suck.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/02/23, 06:11:13 PM
dutchy........i got the Twins tuned in.  :happy1: :rotflmao: first game i'll have watched for a good year and a half!!!!!!

watched a couple college football games.........the coverage on Deon Sanders was way over the freakin top!!!!!! :puke: :surrender: :bs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/03/23, 07:19:04 AM
Nice win last night. Twins used 9 pitchers. Texas used 7. Made for a long game. Still a 5 game lead over Cleveland. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/03/23, 08:00:41 AM
Keuchel & Pagan both struggled with their control but when you use that many pitchers, it's bound to happen. Solano had a great day at the plate & saved a couple runs with that catch in the 8th. :cool: They were 5-10 w/RISP & had 6 RBIs with 2 out. Maeda today @ 1;35.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/03/23, 09:40:57 AM
Twinks dodged a bullet last night.  Early i questioned Baldelli's choice to not use his middle relievers mre than 1 inning - especially when a few of them only threw 6 or 8 pitches.

But I think TX proved his point when they put Chapman back in the game in the 10th after sitting.  His control just wasn't the same.

Plus, now Baldelli should have all his relievers again today.

Buxton coming out of a AAA game with knee soreness might also make another decision Baldelli needs to make easier.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/03/23, 10:32:26 AM
Baldelli isn't pulling any strings on Buxton. He is the guy on the end of the string not the guy running the strings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/03/23, 10:53:42 AM
Time will tell.  They goona leave Julian off the roster so Buxton can come in cold and go 1 for 17 as a DH in the wildcard round?

I have hope they have the sense to say, "Sorry, Byron, this just wasn't your year.  Rehab, get heathy, and, we'll see you next February."

I really wanted him to be the spark plug, but last nights setback - I think - is setting up for Byron to be done early.  Yeah, they're saying all the right things, and keeping their options open, but Buxton knew the consequences of coming out of a game that he needed to stay in.  I think his injury is more than just day-to-day knee soreness. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/03/23, 11:07:55 AM
Taylor is rumored to be going on the 10-day IL before today's game & Castro looks like he might play. Kirilloff will start a rehab mid-week & Stewart threw a bullpen session a week ago Friday. But there's no news since then. Hope he makes it back; they could use him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/04/23, 08:12:26 AM
It was good to see Maeda settle down & get through 5, that allowed 'em to save most of the bullpen. Lopez goes today, @ 5:10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/04/23, 08:23:16 AM
It's interesting how Buxton has gone from a local hero to a yawn so quick.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/04/23, 08:44:11 AM
Baldelli gave him a long leash to figure things out this year as DH, but it just didn't happen.  Other guys have stepped up, they earned their playing time, and the Twins are again playing meaningful games in September.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/04/23, 01:07:35 PM
 Tentative date for Stewart's return was 9/10, we shall see. :scratch: Sands to the Saints & Varland, who has been coming out of the bullpen, is called up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/05/23, 07:06:20 AM
Just when you thought you'd seen it all...  Cleveland puts a position player in to pitch the 6th, 7th, 8th AND 9th innings.  :embarrassed:

If he already wasn't there, Brent Headrick probably solidified himself at the back end of the Twins pitching staff - having trouble throwing strikes over the plate and hitting two batters - in a game that was long since decided.  :doah:

Tonight's game shapes up to be a dandy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/05/23, 07:29:34 AM
Twins had more walks then strikeouts for a change.

Lopez only struck out 3 I think.

Sept. 5th, Twins are still in first place.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/05/23, 08:14:03 AM
The thing I had to keep reminding myself last night was - even though the Guards threw in the towel and the game was over - each individual Guardians hitter hadn't given up.  They battled all the way.

And I'm sure they'll want some revenge tonight for having a hit batsman twice AND the Twinks tee-ing off on the position player-pitcher. 

What else were they supposed to do, you ask...  :confused:  Nothing.  But that won't stop them from coming into tonight's game with a big chip on their shoulder and the Twinks better be ready.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/05/23, 08:18:27 AM
Lopez had guys on base every inning but managed to work his way out of it, except for in the 3rd & by that time the game was all but over. :cool: Same time tonight...................go get 'em Sonny!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/05/23, 09:18:09 AM
Batting practice for 4 innings with a catcher pitching 55 mph fastballs
6 home runs. :doofus:

Cleveland's Ace Bieber pitching tonight. Hope they still have some hitting left.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/05/23, 11:23:21 AM
 :scratch: Their 2 best starters, Bieber & Mckensie, are still on the 60-day IL according to ESPN. I thought Bremer said something yday to the effect that they wouldn't be back for at least a couple weeks. :confused: Bibee today & Williams tomorrow according to ESPN's schedule. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/cle/cleveland-guardians
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/05/23, 11:25:15 AM
The thing that struck me last night was Castro's unwillingness to put ANY velocity on HIS slop ball pitches to throw strikes in the bottom half of the 9th. 

He must have been instructed to do it the way he did it.  :confused:  Most of those pitches he made looked like a girl scout lobbing in the first pitch of the game.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/05/23, 11:32:55 AM
Pretty sure they wouldn't want him to hurt his arm pitching. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/05/23, 03:06:22 PM
I mixed up Bieber and Bibee
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/06/23, 05:44:47 AM
 Easy to do, Ken. It was good to see Rocco go out to talk to Gray & let him finish the 6th inning. Castro's double in the 8th was on a real good pitch & was a big part of the winning rally. :cool: Been kind of expecting to see Pagan get a chance to finish a game pretty soon too. :happy1: Ryan @12:10 today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/06/23, 06:04:09 AM
I believe the Twins have a 7 game lead on Sept 6th. They win today with Ryan and barring a collapse it's over.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/06/23, 06:14:42 AM
I mixed up Bieber and Bibee
And I was thinking...   :scratch:  How could you mix up these guys?   :confused:

(https://www.thelist.com/img/gallery/the-stunning-transformation-of-justin-bieber/intro-1630424593.jpg) (https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/26/07/64/22576442/4/1200x0.jpg)  :bonk: :rotflmao:

Shows you how much I follow the Guardians pitching staff.  And the good new is...  NOW I don't have to!!!  :happy1:

Maybe a tad too soon to throw out all of the celebration emojis, but well done by the Twins to have two convincing wins agains the team chasing.  They are indeed playing their best baseball at the most important time.  :Clap:

Parcells always said, "You are what your record says you are."  But I have to think, if they would have hit close to their potential all season, they would have been better than a .500 ballclub for most of the year and their record would look more like those of the other division leaders.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/06/23, 06:40:02 AM
With 23 games to play, the Magic Number for the Twins is 17 (Twins wins or Guardians losses).

The projected probability is 98% that they will have home field advantage as the #3 seed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Source:  American League Winning Magic Numbers (http://www.playoffstatus.com/mlb/americanwinmagicnumbers.html)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/06/23, 06:52:14 AM
I missed this yesterday after the Guardians put in catcher David Frey to mop up Monday night's game.  This was actually posted by the Guardians.   :bonk:

Guardians Post Epic Tweet in Regard to Pitching Availability After Big Loss to Twins (https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/09/05/guardians-post-epic-tweet-in-regards-to-pitching-availability-after-big-loss-to-twins)

Fry ended up tossing four innings on the mound surrendering seven runs on 10 hits and ended the game with a pitch count of 64.

After the loss, Cleveland’s official Twitter account, tried to laugh it off with a comical post, jokingly providing an update on Fry’s pitching availability for Tuesday’s game.

“David Fry will not be available to pitch tomorrow night,” wrote the Guardians on Twitter.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5OVRg7boAE9pfv?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I think they're goona need a new Social Media Guy.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/06/23, 07:16:57 AM
I seen that yady too & thought it was pretty good, actually. :scratch: What else can you do with a blowout loss like that but maybe have a little fun with it? :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/06/23, 07:59:50 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/06/23, 02:46:37 PM
Going for the sweep this afternoon. Would give them an 8 game lead. Actually 9 games because in case they were tied at the end, they would have the season series 7 games to 6.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/07/23, 06:29:01 AM
It's hard to score with only 2 hits but they only had 4. Louie & Kody looked good out of the bullpen. :cool: Day off today, NYM tomorrow @ 7:10 with Keuchel getting the ball.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/07/23, 07:19:56 AM
They needed to win 2 out of 3. Last night would have been nice. But they gained 1 game going to Cleveland for the last time. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/07/23, 08:11:19 AM
The Mets have been playing better & have won 4 of their last 6. Hope we don't see a letdown & win the series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/07/23, 09:14:55 AM
Minnesota teams do have a history of backing into the playoffs.  Just sayin'  :whistling:  :banghead:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/08/23, 08:15:52 AM
Twins got a little help from LAA last night as they beat Cleveland 3-2.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/08/23, 08:32:00 AM
Magic Number...
(https://cdn-icons-png.flaticon.com/256/8067/8067999.png)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/09/23, 04:20:24 PM
Now...

   14
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/10/23, 08:23:56 AM
Now....


                 13
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/10/23, 08:27:03 AM
They were 4-9 w/RISP & 7 of the 8 RBIs came with 2 out. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/10/23, 08:30:49 AM
The Mets are a mess.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/10/23, 08:41:13 AM
 Yeah :rolleyes:, but they start 3 with TB tomorrow night. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/10/23, 11:59:37 AM
Oh I agree but my point is it's hard to read anything into beating a terrible Mets team.

If they can win one over Tampa who are playing for something it will be good.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/10/23, 06:09:08 PM
Cleveland lost again today.................so it's now...................12
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/11/23, 09:06:39 AM
According to ESPN the Twins now have a 99.6% chance of making the playoffs. :cool: Gray goes today, @ 6:40.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on September 09/11/23, 09:43:19 AM
Man, what a performance by Lopez yesterday with a tough loss. Was at the game and really disappointing...especially after 14 K's.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/12/23, 06:10:26 AM
 & now it's 11
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/12/23, 07:11:38 AM
So what is this number?  They need that many wins or that is how many games are left?  If they end up with 81 or fewer wins for the season I win the family pool.  They are at 75 now. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/12/23, 07:19:11 AM
Combination of Twins wins and Cleveland losses.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/12/23, 08:07:51 AM
They lose yday but their probability of making the playoffs goes up a smidgen....................to 99.7%. :cool: Ryan goes today at the same time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/12/23, 11:20:40 AM
I didn't see the first half of yesterday's game.  Lewis continues his tear with another 3 run bomb.  :happy1:

Still, the Twins appear to have a thin margin for error.  They either need a bit more hitting or they can't afford to have a soft inning from the bullpen.  :doah:

Buxton update...  Did not travel with the Saints on their current road trip.  Team doctors will re-evaluate what they are calling tendonitis in his knee on Friday.   :coffee:

Steward update...  Haven't seen anything since 3 days ago.  I presume he is still with the Saints and will continue his rehab assignment.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/12/23, 12:57:07 PM
Gray really struggled with his control, 8-20 on the 1st pitch, & it was mostly his off-speed breaking stuff but he only gave up 2 runs on 6 hits. The 2 that followed him, Floro & Headrick, allowed 5 runs on the same # of hits. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/12/23, 01:10:20 PM
Tampa Bay is a good team.  And so are all the other teams in the playoffs.  Today is a new day.  Go, Ryan!  :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/12/23, 03:09:31 PM
This was hard to watch yesterday.  I don't think I've ever heard a ball player cry out in pain over the broadcast.  I couldn't believe he gutted it out and ran the bases afterwards.  Hate to see this happen to anyone on either team.

Jose Siri injury: Rays center fielder suffers fractured right hand on hit-by-pitch vs. Twins (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/jose-siri-injury-rays-center-fielder-suffers-fractured-right-hand-on-hit-by-pitch-vs-twins/)

Manager Kevin Cash said Siri could return in three weeks

(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2023/09/12/be8fc2ac-0abc-4986-9ade-3ebef086d80d/thumbnail/770x433/2142aef665547a1755769d16cdf0a60e/gettyimages-16750156371.jpg)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/12/23, 03:20:58 PM
ouch!!   that hurt to watch it!!!   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/12/23, 05:56:22 PM
I would think a Twin outfielder will get drilled soon.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/13/23, 07:21:58 AM
Ryan had 102 pitches after 4 2/3 but the bullpen picked him up. :cool: Blasts by Julien & Castro so Twins win. Magic # is now 9. Getaway day for TB, so it's a 12:10 start with Keuchel taking the mound.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/13/23, 08:21:58 AM
There goes my afternoon.  Another benefit of being a retired and a Twins fan.  Good excuse to take it easy. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/13/23, 08:26:17 AM
There goes my afternoon.  Another benefit of being a retired and a Twins fan.  Good excuse to take it easy.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: maybe if or when they make the playoffs i might be able to watch them on one of the 200 channels we get!!!!!! :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/13/23, 12:45:34 PM
Bremer says magic number is

                   

                         10
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/13/23, 12:49:34 PM
that's what I heard this morning too...   10... 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/13/23, 03:13:31 PM
They just lost.  I fell asleep for a couple of innings since it was during my nap time.  I dreamt that we had a bunch of chocolate chip cookies so was going to have some.  When I woke up I was still thinking of them.  The bad part is that we have no cookies.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/13/23, 04:07:20 PM
I knew as soon as Jax came out of the bullpen in the 9th that it was over. 2 outs later, into the 3rd deck in left field. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/13/23, 05:55:22 PM
I was at the game.  Can't keep spotting the opposition 4 runs.   :pouty:

Suprised they put Pagan in for the 5th; wondered if he had been demoted.  Then he came out to pitch the 6th too.  I'm guessing they are starting to stretch him out to pitch multiple inning in the playoffs.  A few of the bullpen guys seem to have lost their edge and are less trustworthy.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/13/23, 08:53:32 PM
Bremer says magic number is

                   

                         10
I heard that too, & it looks like I went right from 11 to 9 when both teams won..  :doofus: :doah: However, Cleveland's bullpen gave up a 4-run lead in the bottom of the 7th inning today to lose 6-5 to SF in a later game, so it should be 9 now. ;) :rolleyes: :smiley:   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/14/23, 08:37:09 AM
The percentage chance to win the division is now over 99%.  The lead is 7.5 games.  Cleveland had their chance - a slim one - and they were not able to sweep the Twins 6 games in the last month of the season to make it a race.  Time to start watching the AL East and West to see who the Twins will face in the first round.  Here again is a link to track everyone's magic numbers.

American League Winning Magic Numbers (http://www.playoffstatus.com/mlb/americanwinmagicnumbers.html)

I was really looking forward to seeing Correa play in person.  He makes every play look easy and when he throws, its like a cannon going off.  But he was out of the lineup yesterday.  :pouty: I'm sure Baldelli gave him the day off on Getaway Day to have two days off in a row.  There will probably be more of that as the end of the season approaches.  His hitting is slumping again, so hopefully rest will make it better and he won't get rusty.  He was only hitting .200 in his last 7 games.  :thumbs:  I was going to say it can't get worse than that, but I know it can.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/14/23, 11:15:41 AM
Leave Jax on the bench.....He has 16 decisions this year,

He has won 6 and after last night's loss, he has lost 10 of them.

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/14/23, 12:30:02 PM
The good news is... with a 7.5 game lead, you CAN keep sending him out there and give him a chance to work thru whatever it is he is working thru.

I think Jax's upside is higher than Winder, Floro, Headrick, or Funderburk - provided hs isn't burned out from the long season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/14/23, 03:08:29 PM
Taylor is set to rejoin the team on this road trip & Stewart is headed to St. Paul, probably next week, to start a rehab. They will most likely go with just a 3-man rotation, at least for the 1st round, & that makes Maeda & Keuchel available for bullpen duty IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/14/23, 03:17:09 PM
Keuchel can barely get anyone out. Even his outs are hard line drives. He would be at the bottom of the list. Baily Ober would be number 4 behind Lopez, Gray, and Ryan.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/14/23, 03:36:52 PM
Perhaps that is the plan... get Ober fixed in AAA, let Keuchel thrash with the big club, and if Keuchel hasn't figured it out before the playoffs, swap 'em with Ober.

I think the thing was, with Keuchel's seniority, they either had to promote him or lose him.  So I think the next time they send him down, he might be gone.

It was tough watching him yesterday.  Not only were the Rays hitting long balls off him, every one seemed to be over the fielder's head or to the gaps.  The Twins were lucky to get 5 innings out of him with only 4 runs.  Every fly ball the Twins hit seemed to go right to a fielder - 'cept for the triple the twins hit.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/14/23, 04:22:07 PM
Keuchel can barely get anyone out. Even his outs are hard line drives. He would be at the bottom of the list. Baily Ober would be number 4 behind Lopez, Gray, and Ryan.
Ober's arm is dead as he's pitched the most innings of his career & more than double the innings of last season. Keuchel has given up 2 runs or less in 4 of his 7 starts, plus he's lefthanded.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/15/23, 07:01:41 AM
I guess we will see tonight as Ober will start tonight's game against the White Sox.

Maeda pitched pretty well last night. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/15/23, 07:18:21 AM
Hard to know what is going on.  I wish I new baseball better.

Are they looking for a 5th starter for the play-offs? 
Do they need a guy who can eat up innings in a blowout play-off loss?
Do they need a guy now who can give the big dogs in the rotation some extra time off in the stretch run?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/15/23, 07:33:42 AM
No they will never need a 5th starter in the play-offs. They will have a starter type ready in case of a blow out. They will do what they can to get to Thielbar in the 7th, Jax in the 8th and Duran to finish up.

Somehow they will need to score some runs. 2 to 3 runs a game and they will be golfing early.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/15/23, 08:33:01 AM
I guess we will see tonight as Ober will start tonight's game against the White Sox.

Maeda pitched pretty well last night. :happy1:
I didn't see it anywhere that they'd recalled him yday but I did look & he's pitched pretty well for the Saints the last few times, so I'm not surprised. I would be surprised if they let him get to a very high pitch count though, probably ~ 70-80 pitches. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/15/23, 08:56:54 AM
No they will never need a 5th starter in the play-offs. They will have a starter type ready in case of a blow out. They will do what they can to get to Thielbar in the 7th, Jax in the 8th and Duran to finish up.
What about Pagan?  Has he lost their confidence?  Or maybe they go with Jax or Pagan depending on who they fell best about at the time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/15/23, 09:10:09 AM
He's been 1 of their steadiest all season IMO. His stats: 60 games pitched, 63.1 innings, 42 hits, 26 runs, 23 earned runs, only 20 BB, & 56 K. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/15/23, 10:09:57 AM
They won't need more than 3 starters....Lopez, Gray, and Ryan if they are not injured before then. 4th possible is probably a toss-up.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/15/23, 10:15:33 AM
Are you saying they won't get out of the first round?  :rotflmao:  :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/15/23, 10:31:17 AM
No.....there are more days off between and after series are done. 2 out of 3. Then 3 out of 5, then 4 out of 7. If the series are short it would give more days off and a team could use only 3 starters.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/15/23, 12:04:55 PM
I was just pullin' yer leg.  BUT...  if they DO lose the first series, but definition - they will only need three starters.  Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Who are the best and worst matchups for the Twins in the first round?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/15/23, 02:12:38 PM
Texas, who has won 6 in a row & just got done sweeping a 4-game series from the Blue Jays in Toronto, starts a 3 game series in Cleveland tonight. :cool: They outscored Toronto 35-9.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/15/23, 02:19:05 PM
So if Texas continues to roll over Cleveland and the Whities show no interest in trying...  That Magic Number could be pretty small come Monday morning.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/15/23, 05:52:51 PM
Texas has to much talent to lay down in Cleveland. The White Sux suck but against the mighty Rocco's they might get a game or two. Nothing to worry about. Unless a bus crash or the mob takes out the Twins starting staff they are play-off bound.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/16/23, 09:04:06 AM
Ober looked good & so did the bullpen. :happy1: They scored 8 of their 10 runs with 2 out & went 6-13 w/RISP. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/16/23, 09:45:58 PM
 :scratch: Thought they might pull it off, but not meant to be. :pouty: Kind of :cool: to see so many Twins fans in the stands though.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/17/23, 08:47:38 AM
Texas's bullpen blew another save, they lead all of MLB, yday or the Twins magic # would be 6. That was Lopez's worst start yday since his turn against Texas & they won that 1. Gray goes today @ 1:10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/18/23, 06:28:02 AM
Magic number


                  6
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/18/23, 08:24:05 AM
I was really hoping the number would be more like 5 or 4, but they WILL clinch early enough to give rest to the players that need it, give innings to the bench players they are going to need later, and plenty of time to set up the pitching rotation.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/18/23, 08:31:46 AM
Stewart was really good in the inning he pitched for the Saints on Friday, according to https://twinsdaily.com/ . So, they said if things continue to look good after he goes another time or 2 there, he may get recalled before season's end. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/18/23, 11:48:18 AM
3 Twins wins and 3 Cleveland losses and its over. Most important thing is to clinch early to set up the starting rotation for the first 3 game playoff series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/18/23, 11:55:03 AM
Ryan goes today, a 5:40 start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/18/23, 12:25:59 PM
5:40
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/18/23, 12:30:54 PM
 :scratch: Better? :doah:        ;) :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/18/23, 12:35:19 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/18/23, 12:38:25 PM
:scratch: Better? :doah:        ;) :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
still wore out from your night in Inger?????? :scratch: :doah: :sleazy:            :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/18/23, 12:44:21 PM
 :pouty: :tut: It was lunchtime!!!!!1 :mooning: :banghead: training-087 training-087 :rolleyes: :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/18/23, 06:35:25 PM
Thanks KC


....................5
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/18/23, 06:45:14 PM
Twinks trail the Reds 2-1 in the bottom of the 4th. Oops make it 4-1. Ryan gives up a 2 run dinger. Fior those who can't get Bally Sports North it's on FS1.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/19/23, 06:58:17 AM
Too many pitches in the middle of the plate yday. Only 5 hits but their rookie pitched really good. Maeda goes today, same time.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/19/23, 08:22:18 AM
I think I'm OK with Keuchel once thru the lineup with a 5 run lead - not much else at this point.   :thumbs:  He had a couple of good games since he joined, but if he loses his control for just a bit, its like batting practice for the other team.

If he was more consistently effective, it would be interesting to see how he would be coming out of the bullpen in the 7th - getting swings and misses with all that slow breaking stuff - and then have those same batters at the plate in the 9th facing Duran's heat.   :scratch:

Good thing I'm not a baseball manager.   :rotflmao:  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/19/23, 12:10:16 PM
Minnesota Twins in Wait-and-See Mode on Star Shortstop and His Injury (https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/injuries/minnesota-twins-in-wait-and-see-mode-on-his-carlos-correa-and-the-aggaravation-of-his-plantar-fasciitis-injury)

The star shortstop left Monday's game with a re-aggravation of his plantar fasciitis, per Dan Hayes of 'The Athletic.'

Correa has played through this injury for several months but could not do it on Monday. He was injured while running after a fly ball in the first inning and left in the top of the second.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/19/23, 01:10:00 PM
Ryan wasn't any better & he throws upper 90's. In fact, Ryan gave up the 2 2-run HR's. :scratch: Ryan or Ober as the #3 starter in the WC series?  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/19/23, 03:43:38 PM
Ober

Keuchel off the team
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/19/23, 05:25:48 PM
Ober

Keuchel off the team
Two Fringe Players for Twins Must Take to the Postseason (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/two-fringe-players-for-twins-must-take-to-the-postseason-r15002/)

This blogger on Twins Daily makes the case for making sure Stevenson and Ober are on the playoff roster...

Enter Ober, who has been cast aside twice this year and responded well each time. It's not as though Ober should be expected to see a Louie Varland-like uptick out of the bullpen, but having his arm as an option is more comforting than Paddack and more reliable than Jorge Alcala, Cole Sands, Josh Winder, or someone from that rotating group.

I can't sat I disagree with him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/19/23, 09:00:40 PM
Magic number.....But Lewis hurt.



              4
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/19/23, 09:37:06 PM
 Nice game Willi!!!!  :bow:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/19/23, 09:55:22 PM
Magic number.....But Lewis hurt.



              4
Now it's 3& Lewis is listed as day-to day with left hamstring tightness.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/20/23, 06:54:16 AM
Maeda looks to be making a case for being in the WCS rotation to me. Guess we'll find out in about a week. :scratch: Getaway day today, Ober gets the ball @ 11:35.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/20/23, 08:13:16 AM
Yeah......he gave up only 2 hits in 5 innings testerday. He has looked better than Ryan lately.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/20/23, 08:26:06 AM
What is WCS Gunner?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/20/23, 09:03:05 AM
I'm gussin' Wild Card Series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/20/23, 09:40:37 AM
Oh sure.  Thanks  Novice here.  Still learning.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/20/23, 11:06:04 AM
ALDS, LCS, ARog, ARod, JLo, bla, bla, bla...  We do love making up abbreviations and acronyms. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/20/23, 11:20:47 AM
Roh-oh...

Carlos Correa injury update: Twins star on IL with foot issue as he tries to get healthy for playoffs (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/carlos-correa-injury-update-twins-star-on-il-with-foot-issue-as-he-tries-to-get-healthy-for-playoffs/)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/20/23, 02:34:48 PM
The "Magic Number" is 2!   :happy1:

(https://mlblogsdodgerdrei.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/dodgers_lasorda-magic-number.jpg)

9 games left in the regular season.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/20/23, 03:54:51 PM
KC beat Cleveland...

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.617997824.7025/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u2.jpg)

The Twins have an off-day tomorrow, but Cleveland plays.  If they lose again, its all over.   :cheerleader: :Clap: :happybounce:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/20/23, 04:04:16 PM
Day off tomorrow. They could clinch if Cleveland loses tomorrow to Baltimore.

3 runs in the 9th to win it.
 
:happy1: :happy1:   :happy1:

Correa on the 10 day IR  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/20/23, 04:17:46 PM
3 starters against the Angels will probably be the first 3 in the playoffs.....

Lopez, Gray, and Ryan although Maeda has looked better thab Ryan lately.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/20/23, 06:50:21 PM
What is WCS Gunner?
With the new format it's now the Wild Card Series, Division Series, League Championship Series, & of course the World Series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/21/23, 06:22:20 AM
I love it that the 9th inning rally started with a perfect bunt, a stolen base, & a bad throw from their catcher. :happy1: It's great to see 'em still be able to play a little small ball. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/21/23, 07:03:42 AM
Actually it was 4 stolen bases in the 9th.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 07:24:28 AM
Yeah, the double steal was ballsy - especially with Vazquez as the trailer.

Hopefully there will be enough time for Correa and Lewis to get healthy.

And its been about a week now since we've heard anything about Buxton.  He got the shot in his knee, which was supposed to quiet things down.  They say - or are hoping - he could be ready for the playoffs, but I worry that he hasn't face big league pitching in a long time and he wasn't hitting well before that.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/21/23, 07:41:18 AM
Actually Steve-o, I just read that he's going to play for the Saints today. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/min/minnesota-twins  :scratch: Whether or not that includes playing CF it doesn't say. :confused: Probably not right away IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/21/23, 07:55:48 AM
Got back from GR just as the bottom of the 6th was finishing up :cool: & got to see Castro's HR start the comeback. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 08:08:30 AM
Speaking of the St. Paul Saints...  Looking forward to watching this on Netflix.   :happy1:

‘The Saint of Second Chances’: Everything You Need to Know (https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/the-saint-of-second-chances-release-date-news#:~:text=What%20happens%20in%20The%20Saint,and%20often%20outrageous%20marketing%20schemes.)

The sports documentary tells the redemption story of baseball innovators Bill and Mike Veeck.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 09:45:40 AM
Actually Steve-o, I just read that he's going to play for the Saints today. https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/injuries/_/name/min/minnesota-twins  :scratch: Whether or not that includes playing CF it doesn't say. :confused: Probably not right away IMO.

Byron Buxton is again on the verge of returning to the Twins (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/byron-buxton-is-again-on-the-verge-of-returning-to-the-twins)

Buxton will be the designated hitter for the Triple-A St. Paul Saints on Thursday night and he is expected to get three or four at-bats. The Saints' season ends on Sunday so if all goes well Buxton should be expected back with the Twins any day now.  Buxton has not played for the Twins since suffering a strained hamstring on Aug. 1.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/21/23, 11:30:59 AM
 :pouty: meh........there gonna get booted out the first round anyway!!!!!  :confused: :evil: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 02:51:12 PM
I don't know...  This team is built a little different than all those other Twins playoff teams that were one-and-done's against the Yankees in 2019, 2017, 2010, 2009, 2004, and 2003.  (They were also one-and-done against Oakland in 2006.)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/21/23, 03:36:28 PM
 Plus, there's no NYY in the playoffs this year. :happybounce:  :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/21/23, 03:57:58 PM
We have been watching the Cleveland scores. Now with the magic number at 1, Twins don't play today. Baltimore plays Cleveland who are 9 games back. Well, Detroit is 9 1/2 games back. So for the Twins to clinch....both Cleveland and Detroit need to lose today.

I would guess they would rather celebrate on the field tomorrow or whenever they play their next game. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/21/23, 04:09:09 PM
Young team that I hope we can keep together. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 04:27:13 PM
Plus IF they could get healthy - and I know that is a big ask for this team...  they have some depth.

Miranda was a big part of their resurgence last year and they got nothing out of him this year.  You'd hope he could figure out how to turn that around next year.

Should get starting pitcher Tyler Mahle back next year to replace the departing Sonny Gray.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/21/23, 04:28:43 PM
Well, Detroit is 9 1/2 games back. So for the Twins to clinch....both Cleveland and Detroit need to lose today.
I've been so worried about those dangerous Guardians that I forgot all about those pesky Tigers.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/21/23, 06:14:02 PM
Plus IF they could get healthy - and I know that is a big ask for this team...  they have some depth.

Miranda was a big part of their resurgence last year and they got nothing out of him this year.  You'd hope he could figure out how to turn that around next year.

Should get starting pitcher Tyler Mahle back next year to replace the departing Sonny Gray.


Miranda??????????? Where would you like to play him? Are you assuming Lewis takes a step backwards at third next year? DH? I'll pass there also. Unless that kid can catch I don't really see a viable position for him besides an extra stick on the bench. He lost his chance when he flopped this spring.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/21/23, 10:33:07 PM
We have been watching the Cleveland scores. Now with the magic number at 1, Twins don't play today. Baltimore plays Cleveland who are 9 games back. Well, Detroit is 9 1/2 games back. So for the Twins to clinch....both Cleveland and Detroit need to lose today.

I would guess they would rather celebrate on the field tomorrow or whenever they play their next game. :happy1: :happy1:
I watched the O's/Cleveland game, Ken, it was on Fox. The O's bullpen couldn't get the job done in the 8th :rolleyes:, so it not gonna happen 'til tomorrow.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/22/23, 07:59:44 AM
I didn't watch......had to go watch my grand daughter play volleyball.

Players want to celebrate on the field. Whenever that is. Get the Champaign on ice.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/22/23, 08:08:08 AM
WCCO had somebody from the Twins front office on early & they were sayin it was 1 of the few times that they were hoping Cleveland would win, so they would be able to clinch at home. Should be a big crowd.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on September 09/22/23, 08:15:33 AM
seen that too, and don't forget the free hats today!!   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/22/23, 08:15:44 AM
I'm good with waiting one more day and letting the Twinks win it outright at home in front of the fans.

Where do I want Miranda to play?  I'd love to see Lewis, Correa, Polanco, and Kirilloff healthy all season, but that ain't goona happen.

Hopefully Miranda can get healthy so he could be of value at the major league level - either with the Twins as a platoon utility infielder OR as a trade asset.  Turns out he had a shoulder injury since spring that hampered him all season and they finally shut him down for good in August.  It was a lost season for him.  Hopefully he can return to 2022 form next spring.

Next year would I rather have a 2023 Julian or 2022 Miranda?   :confused:  I got nothing, but those are the kind of problems baseball managers like to have.  :happy1:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on September 09/22/23, 11:06:59 AM
I'll take them both. Throw in Kirillov, Wallner, and Lewis and they have a young formidable lineup. Just need a good pitching staff. Will Gray be gone next year>>> He is a free agent.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/22/23, 12:32:26 PM
I think that will depend on Sonny, Thad Levine, Derek Falvey, and Jim Pohlad - as it always does.

I can see why Sonny might want to leave after last year and the first half of this year.  Last year Baldelli didn't trust him to pitch three times thru the lineup.  The first half of this year he didn't get any run support.

Maybe, if the Twins make a worthy playoff run - AND the front office is willing to pony-up to keep things rolling, Sonny Gray's departure won't be a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/22/23, 12:43:10 PM
Maeda will be 36 next season & FA too. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/22/23, 01:14:37 PM
Say what you will about what the Twins organization has done historically, but Falvey and Levine finally achieved one of the things they were brought in to do...  build a contending pitching staff.  This year the Twins are 4th in the AL and 6th overall in Team ERA.  (Interestingly, the Guardians are 0.01 points behind the Twins.)
The Twins were 19th overall in 2022 and 26th in 2021.   :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/22/23, 05:49:26 PM
I'm not sure how much of a pitching staff they built. Most of these guys were bought or traded for vs the farm system which we were told they would do.

Don't get me wrong, I like strong pitching no matter how they got it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/22/23, 06:46:33 PM
 :scratch: That's how they both got it done in Texas & Cleveland too, IMO. Don't have what you need in the farm system, or they're not ready yet, better see if you can make a trade.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/23/23, 08:05:10 AM
 :pouty: Duran sure kept it interesting last night. :doah: Probably a little TOO AMPED up, hope he learns how to harness that :rolleyes:, as we're going to need him in October.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on September 09/23/23, 08:23:52 AM
I tuned out at the end of 7. I would love to see what Kirilloff could do if he was healthy for a full season.

Noonish game today followed by the Rodents struggling with Northwestern at 6:30 I think.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on September 09/23/23, 08:31:35 AM
I tuned out at the end of 7. I would love to see what Kirilloff could do if he was healthy for a full season.

Noonish game today followed by the Rodents struggling with Northwestern at 6:30 I think.
think i seen where the "Rodents"  :rotflmao: are on the big10 network?????????
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on September 09/23/23, 09:15:28 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:  That is funny Dutch. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/24/23, 08:26:38 AM
:pouty: Duran sure kept it interesting last night. :doah: Probably a little TOO AMPED up, hope he learns how to harness that :rolleyes:, as we're going to need him in October.
Maybe it's just my MN lunch-pail sensibilities taking over, but I'd like to see them get rid of all that hype when Duran comes in the game.  WAY too much production - and he certainly doesn't need the added pressure.  It would have been one thing if he'd have stuck out the side in 13 pitches, but he didn't.  He had a hard time FINDING the strike zone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/24/23, 08:51:24 AM
Bremer talked to him after the game & he said he had more than few extra butterflies.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/27/23, 07:28:24 AM
Glad to see Stewart pitch last night as he was big for the bullpen in June & July.  :cool: Hope Paddack & him are available when the playoffs start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/27/23, 07:55:55 AM
No lie!!! 

These seem to have been their preferred late inning guys:  Duran, Pagan, and Thielbar.

But they've added a lot since then:  Varland, Stewart, and now Paddack.

And they still have other guys who have also had mixed success:  Jax, Funderburk, and they can even pitch Keuchel out of the pen in the right circumstances.

They have lots of options, and not all of them are bad.   ;)

In the remaining days I'll bet they focus on figuring out what they have in Varland, Stewart and Paddack, while giving Jax, Funderburk, and Keuchel a chance to fine tune things and re-prove themselves.

Why haven't we seen Pagan lately?  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/27/23, 06:20:21 PM
He followed Gray in the 1-0 loss to the LAA on Saturday. He has been in 63 games & has pitched 66.1 innings this season. So, they probably want to give him a little rest before they start the WCS, IMO. Besides, these games since they clinched don't mean a lot.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/28/23, 08:41:47 AM
Pagan got a bit of work last night.  It was a fun game to watch.  Granted, the A's aren't very good, but they put up a fight and the Twinks played hard and got a "dubya."  The players were still working hard to earn a spot on the play-off roster.  I'm thinking of Stevenson waiting half way to 2nd for that fly ball to bounce off the wall before taking off and running hard to score.   :happy1:  Vasques gunning down that base sealing rookie was a very cool play - a perfect throw.   :happy1:  Polanco continues to prove his worth anywhere they put him.   :happy1:

I haven't ever loved Baldelli, I have to agree with the broadcasters, that he seems to be pushing all the right buttons right now.  Easy when you have your play-off spot locked up and everyone is playing pretty well.  We'll see if he makes all the right moves when he fills out that first (and hopefully second) playoff roster.

I thought I heard them say there'd be a bullpen game at the end of the season.  I really like that with their now seemingly deep bullpen - giving these guys one more shot to solidify their spot on the roster.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on September 09/28/23, 05:51:51 PM
Bullpen game looks to be Saturday, as Ryan goes tomorrow & Ober has Sunday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on September 09/29/23, 12:27:13 PM
Rather than wasting time speculating about whether or not Buxton and/or Lewis will make the play-off roster...

Here is a name to watch for in the Twins future...

Yunior Severino - Twins Minor League Hitter of the Year - 2023 (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/twins-minor-league/twins-minor-league-hitter-of-the-year-2023-r15085/)

Severino was a high-profile international signing by the Atlanta Braves in 2016. When the Braves were found to have violated rules, Severino and others were deemed free agents. The Twins swooped in and signed him to a second seven-digit signing bonus. He has been moved up consistently by the Twins since the lost 2020 season. It has been a consistent improvement from year to year. In 2021, he hit eight homers. He hit 19 homers in 2022 between High-A and Double-A. This year, he tied for the minor-league lead with 35 home runs.

PREVIOUS WINNERS...
2012 - Oswaldo Arcia
2013 - Miguel Sano
2014 - Mitch Garver
2015 - Max Kepler
2016 - Daniel Palka
2017 - Mitch Garver
2018 - Alex Kirilloff
2019 - Trevor Larnach
2021 - Jose Miranda
2022 - Matt Wallner

(https://dtb3yzl0vm3pr.cloudfront.net/monthly_2023_09/Twinsmilbhitter.jpg.c98a91a9d6b7efa35526557960f5d9e1.jpg)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/01/23, 08:17:16 AM
 :scratch: Well, we know who is in the AL playoffs but we still don't know which team we'll be playing on Tuesday. Houston may still win their division so then we could play Texas. There's a scenario where the Twins might play the Blue Jays yet too.  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/01/23, 09:46:41 AM
"The Twins cannot face the Rangers due to tiebreakers that would put the Astros or Blue Jays in the third Wild Card spot."

Finished 4-2 against Houston

Finished 3-3 against the Jayes
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/01/23, 09:27:25 PM
What was the deal with Farmer "managing" the other night with Polanco?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/02/23, 07:39:46 AM
Twins vs Toronto on Tuesday at 3:38.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/02/23, 08:09:50 AM
What was the deal with Farmer "managing" the other night with Polanco?

Twins manager for a day: Rocco Baldelli turns over reins to Kyle Farmer, Jorge Polanco (https://sports.yahoo.com/twins-manager-day-rocco-baldelli-005200706.html/)

DENVER — Kyle Farmer and Jorge Polanco learned they would be unofficially managing the Twins on Saturday at around 3:30 p.m. Twenty minutes later, they were already fulfilling one of Rocco Baldelli’s daily pregame duties: meeting with the media.

On the second-to-last day of the regular season, Baldelli handed over the reins to the two veteran infielders. It’s something Baldelli did one other time, too — on the final day of the 2019 season, utilityman Ehire Adrianza managed the Twins.

“I think it’s an awesome experience for guys that actually have interest in other parts of the game, which both of these guys do,” Baldelli said. “But we’re also going to treat it as though it’s a Major League Baseball game, because it is.”

Though Baldelli wrote out the lineup and the Twins had a number of relievers that needed to get their work in in the planned bullpen game, Baldelli said he planned to talk through all of moves with the two co-managers. As one of their duties, the pair exchanged the lineup card at home plate before the game.
...

Though neither were in the starting lineup on Saturday, Farmer said if he saw a lefty getting warming up, he would tell Polanco to go get loose.

“How about this? If a lefty comes in, I’m putting you in,” Polanco retorted, to which Farmer responded that Polanco was a switch hitter, so he could come in at any point.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/02/23, 08:59:57 AM
Bremer & Morneau have been griping about the start times that the Twins always get for the playoffs :bs: since before they clinched. If it's a sunny day the shadows between home plate & the mound will likely make scoring many runs late pretty difficult. Best hope for some cloudy days or that they score a bunch early. :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/02/23, 10:39:51 AM
Yup.....so why does the National league get the night games?
 :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/02/23, 12:16:59 PM
 Like everything else Ken, it's all about $. :rolleyes:  Bigger markets, everybody's done work, so more viewers, which means they can charge more for the commercials. :thumbs:  :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/03/23, 07:27:14 AM
From the Athletic:

What type of person are you?

The type who hears about the Twins’ record-setting postseason losing streak — 0-18 since Oct. 5, 2004 — and thinks: Boy, wouldn’t it be cool to see them get that monkey off their back?

Or are you some sort of schadenfreude-fueled sicko?

YES … HA HA HA … YES!

Either way, we’re about to learn a lot more about these Twins. They breezed to first place in the American League Central, the easiest path for any division winner this season, but also had the second-best record in the AL in the second half. Their three-true-outcomes lineup led the AL in homers and strikeouts while coming in second in walks. Their starting rotation was one of the best in the big leagues, with an AL-best 3.82 ERA, and the bullpen pumps gas. The Twins pitching staff, like their lineup, leads the majors in strikeouts. Now, can they win their first playoff game since the Stewart-Hunter-Jones Era?

The Blue Jays, meanwhile, survived a wild ride in the AL East, coming in a distant third behind the Orioles and Rays. This is Toronto’s fifth postseason appearance in the past decade, but they’re still waiting for their first World Series trip since 1993. The Blue Jays have gotten outstanding production from their rotation this season, with their 3.85 ERA coming in second to the Twins in the AL, but have struggled to get their star-studded lineup — headlined by Bo Bichette, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., George Springer, Matt Chapman and … the red-hot Brandon Belt?! — running on all cylinders.

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In a best-of-three series, sometimes all it takes to tilt things is one big swing. Both these teams have the bats to do that. And everyone — softies and sickos alike — digs the long ball.

AL Wild Card Series Game 1: Toronto Blue Jays at Minnesota Twins
Start time: 4:38 p.m. ET on ESPN

Pitching matchup: Kevin Gausman vs. Pablo López



Game 1 pitching matchup
Blue Jays: RHP Kevin Gausman
2023 stats: 12-9, 3.16 ERA, 185 innings, 237 strikeouts, 1.18 WHIP

Gausman won’t win a Cy Young Award this season, but he’ll receive votes for the third consecutive year because that’s just who he’s become: an ace. He’ll dice you up with splitters and catch you snoozing with a 95 mph heater at the top of the strike zone.


But here are two worries. First, the Blue Jays have failed Gausman in the run-support department this season, scoring just 3.55 runs per nine innings behind him. (That number was 5.53 for Yusei Kikuchi, 5.13 for Chris Bassitt and 3.99 for José Berríos). And then there’s the other worry: The Twins might have his number. Gausman beat them May 26 but walked five in 5 1/3 innings — which can happen against a patient lineup like theirs. Then, on June 11, they teed off on him for six runs (seven hits, four walks) and chased him in the fifth inning. You can be sure Gausman will be guarding against free passes and against tipping his pitches in Game 1.

Twins: RHP Pablo López
2023 stats: 11-8, 3.66 ERA, 194 innings, 234 strikeouts, 1.12 WHIP

The Twins so badly wanted to add a front-line starter this past offseason that they traded away a batting champ (who then pulled a Benny Kauff) to get López. It worked out for both sides. López averaged just over six innings per start this season, and he allowed three earned runs or fewer in 22 of 32 outings. He has always had impeccable command, and, like Gausman, he has the composure and the putaway pitches to get himself out of jams with strikeouts.

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I mean, look at all that red. López added almost a mile-and-a-half of velocity on his fastball this season, up from 93.5 mph to 94.9 mph. Four of his five pitches graded out as above-average this season: The four-seamer, sweeper and sinker each rated at plus-6 in Run Value, and the changeup was plus-4. López is particularly tough on right-handed hitters (.597 OPS), who see the full five-pitch mix and are completely lost against López’s sweeper, batting a collective .173 against that pitch.


Game 1 X-factor
Twins 2B Edouard Julien

There’s no doubt the Twins lineup can do damage. They can slug, all right, but are considerably more middle of the pack in on-base percentage. Enter Julien. The rookie was billed as an on-base machine, and he has delivered: a .381 OBP to go with a 130 OPS+. He took over the leadoff spot in early August and has mostly stayed there since. In the last month of the season, Aaron Judge led the majors in walks with 26. Julien was next with 25, then Bryce Harper with 24.

Julien has faced Gausman six times. He doubled once and walked three times. That’s the kind of impact the Twins will hope for in Game 1 as they try to stress Gausman in the early innings.

Notable quotable
Twins shortstop Carlos Correa, who played in the Wild Card Game (used to be one game, not a series, long story) as a rookie way back in 2015, said this Twins team reminds him of the 2015 Astros.

“You’ve got some veteran guys in there already who have success in the past,” Correa said, “and then you bring in young guys who have success right away. You talk about Royce (Lewis). You talk about (Matt) Wallner. You talk about Julien. Even the bullpen arms we have, some young guys out there throwing 100. It reminds me a lot of that (Astros) team.

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“The win in the wild card that year made that team believe we could beat anyone. I feel like with the guys we have right now and the way the roster is constructed, a good win out of the gate would give everybody the confidence to know we have a great team and can compete against anyone.”
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/03/23, 08:31:49 AM
Lewis is expected to be on the WCS roster according to a reporter from The Athletic & Buxton was a non- participant in ydays workout the Pioneer Press is reporting. So, he may not be on the roster IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 08:55:33 AM
Minnesota Twins playoff roster 2023: AL Wild Card lineup and rotation set (https://puckettspond.com/posts/minnesota-twins-playoff-roster-2023-al-wild-card-lineup-rotation-01hbrz554qy2)

Alex Kirilloff  1B
Edouard Julien  2B
Jorge Polanco  2B
Carlos Correa  SS
Kyle Farmer  3B
Donovan Solano  INF
Ryan Jeffers  C
Christian Vazquez  C
Matt Wallner  OF
Michael A. Taylor  OF
Max Kepler  OF
Willi Castro  OF
Andrew Stevenson  OF
Royce Lewis  DH

Pablo Lopez  SP
Sonny Gray  SP
Joe Ryan  SP
Kenta Maeda  RP
Louie Varland  RP
Griffin Jax  RP
Chris Paddack  RP
Caleb Thielbar  RP
Emilio Pagan  RP
Kody Funderburk  RP
Brock Stewart  RP
Jhon Duran  RP
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 09:06:12 AM
No Buxton, no surprise there.

No Dallas Keuchel.  If he's on, he can have a couple of innings of swing-n-miss in his game.  But if he's off...  He can be really bad out of the chute.  You can't afford that in a short series.

No Bailey Ober.  This just doesn't seem like Bailey's season, or at least 'his' first round playoff series.  He took "his turn on in the barrel" on Sunday so the other starting pitchers could rest.  And with a short series and all the other starters rested in front of him, they don't need him.  Maybe he'll be back if there is a second round.

Certainly with Keuchel and Ober sitting, that opened up spots for Varland, Paddack, and Stewart.  I hope it plays to their advantage that there isn't a lot of film on these guys this season and they can catch batters off guard.

I like this team.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/03/23, 12:09:04 PM
Now that the playoffs have started, are they gonna be televised on a normal channel for a change?!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 12:28:32 PM
The article, below, has all of the times, but I'll just list just the Wild Card Series here.

It looks like ABC/ESPN for the first round and Fox/FS1 or TBS the rest of the way.

2023 MLB playoffs: TV schedule, times, dates, live stream, watch postseason baseball online (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2023-mlb-playoffs-tv-schedule-times-dates-live-stream-watch-postseason-baseball-online/)

Wild Card Series

Tuesday, Oct. 3
Game 1: No. 4 Rays vs. No. 5 Rangers, 3:08 p.m. ET, ABC
Game 1: No. 3 Twins vs. No. 6 Blue Jays, 4:38 p.m. ET, ESPN
Game 1: No. 3 Brewers vs. No. 6 Diamondbacks, 7:08 p.m., ESPN2
Game 1: No. 4 Phillies vs. No. 5 Marlins, 8:08 p.m., ESPN

Wednesday, Oct. 4
Game 2: No. 4 Rays vs. No. 5 Rangers, 3:08 p.m. ET, ABC
Game 2: No. 3 Twins vs. No. 6 Blue Jays, 4:38 p.m. ET, ESPN
Game 2: No. 3 Brewers vs. No. 6 Diamondbacks, 7:08 p.m., ESPN2
Game 2: No. 4 Phillies vs. No. 5 Marlins, 8:08 p.m., ESPN

Thursday, Oct. 5
Game 3*: No. 4 Rays vs. No. 5 Rangers, 3:08 p.m. ET, ABC
Game 3*: No. 3 Twins vs. No. 6 Blue Jays, 4:38 p.m. ET, ESPN
Game 3*: No. 3 Brewers vs. No. 6 Diamondbacks, 7:08 p.m., ESPN2
Game 3*: No. 4 Phillies vs. No. 5 Marlins, 8:08 p.m., ESPN
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/03/23, 12:31:08 PM
Sweet!!! If I got time. Maybe I won't watch, better chance of them winning. :confused: :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/03/23, 12:39:23 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:  That will be a good excuse to do nothing whilst I watch the game.   :sleazy:   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 12:39:41 PM
Sweet!!! If I got time. Maybe I won't watch, better chance of them winning. :confused: :happy1: :rotflmao:
If it was ANYONE else, I'd say to go ahead and enjoy the game.  But since you are the K.O.D. (Kiss of Death :kiss:) for MN sports teams, we'd appreciate it if you found something else better to do.  ;) 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/03/23, 01:11:37 PM
Sweet!!! If I got time. Maybe I won't watch, better chance of them winning. :confused: :happy1: :rotflmao:
If it was ANYONE else, I'd say to go ahead and enjoy the game.  But since you are the K.O.D. (Kiss of Death :kiss:) for MN sports teams, we'd appreciate it if you found something else better to do.  ;)
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/03/23, 01:34:31 PM
 :scratch: So, who is the DH? I read where they didn't think Lewis looked healthy enough to play 3B on Sunday, so if he made the roster, it would probably be as the DH. Julien at 2B & Polanco at 3rd is what they were guessing. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 02:49:06 PM
:scratch: So, who is the DH? I read where they didn't think Lewis looked healthy enough to play 3B on Sunday, so if he made the roster, it would probably be as the DH. Julien at 2B & Polanco at 3rd is what they were guessing. :confused:

Here is what they listed...

Alex Kirilloff  1B
Edouard Julien  2B, Jorge Polanco  2B (platoon  :confused:)
Carlos Correa  SS
Kyle Farmer  3B
Royce Lewis  DH

But obviously Baldelli has shown a willingness to mix and match all season. If they opt to use Lewis as a pinch hitter because he is still nicked up, Baldelli has still some decent options for DH.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 03:14:56 PM
Here it is...

1. 2B Edouard Julien, L
2. 3B Jorge Polanco, S
3. DH Royce Lewis, R
4. RF Max Kepler, L
5. 1B Alex Kirilloff, L
6. SS Carlos Correa, R
7. C Ryan Jeffers, R
8. LF Matt Wallner, L
9. CF Michael A. Taylor, R

Where Blue Jays starting pitcher Kevin Gausman is tougher on righties than lefties.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 04:49:07 PM
Bremer & Morneau have been griping about the start times that the Twins always get for the playoffs :bs: since before they clinched. If it's a sunny day the shadows between home plate & the mound will likely make scoring many runs late pretty difficult. Best hope for some cloudy days or that they score a bunch early. :cheerleader:
Looks like they got the clouds AND are scoring runs early!   :Clap:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/03/23, 05:27:37 PM
We need a storm to run through after the 7th so we don’t loose it let in the game. Lol
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/03/23, 06:29:18 PM
Sweet!!! If I got time. Maybe I won't watch, better chance of them winning. :confused: :happy1: :rotflmao:
If it was ANYONE else, I'd say to go ahead and enjoy the game.  But since you are the K.O.D. (Kiss of Death :kiss:) for MN sports teams, we'd appreciate it if you found something else better to do.  ;)
so.......if i only tuned it in at the top of the 8th inning and they won does that mean i'm no longer the K.O.D.?  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/03/23, 06:34:03 PM
You’d had thought the Twins just won the World Series!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/03/23, 06:51:32 PM
What a great game!  Lewis hitting 2 homers!!!  Great bunch of guys. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/03/23, 07:30:06 PM
 Thanks for almost NOT watching glenn! ;) :rolleyes: :rotflmao:  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/03/23, 07:54:38 PM
Sweet!!! If I got time. Maybe I won't watch, better chance of them winning. :confused: :happy1: :rotflmao:
If it was ANYONE else, I'd say to go ahead and enjoy the game.  But since you are the K.O.D. (Kiss of Death :kiss:) for MN sports teams, we'd appreciate it if you found something else better to do.  ;)
so.......if i only tuned it in at the top of the 8th inning and they won does that mean i'm no longer the K.O.D.?  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I don't know, but that certainly does explain Guerrero's lead off double against Jax.  :bonk: :kiss:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/03/23, 08:16:44 PM
He was already on 2nd base when I turned it on!! :happy1: :mooning:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/04/23, 05:55:50 AM
 :scratch: It didn't look like they were even playing the same game in St. Petersburg, Fla. The Rays had 4 errors & there were a lot of empty seats. :doah: Not even 20K for the Rays, over 38K for the Twins. :happy1: :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/04/23, 07:16:48 AM
I love it that Duran's 1st 5 pitches were curveballs which made those hitters looking for the 100+ mph heat look pretty foolish. :cool: I about put it on mute though when I heard A-Rod in the booth!! :puke:  :angry2: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/04/23, 08:12:03 AM
No lie.  If I have to listen to the national B-team (or C-Team) announcers tell me one more time how Paul Molitor and Dave Winfield grew up a couple of blocks away from each other and Dave Winfield was drafted in three sports, bla, bla, bla...   :puke:

Yes, I was absolutely giddy watching Jhoan "Doo-Ron" (as they seemed to be pronouncing his name) pitch curve after curve.  I wish he could locate the fast ball three inches lower more consistently to get hitters to chase the high heat more often.
 :party1: :happybounce:

The play of the game (besides Lewis' homers) was Correa bare-handing Polanco's whiffed ball and gunning the runner down at the plate. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/04/23, 08:36:14 AM
I missed this pre-game nugget...  :happy1:

Aaron Gleeman on Twitter... (https://twitter.com/AaronGleeman/status/1709410577095799148?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Lopez showed up to the ballpark dressed as Johan Santana and then pitched like him too for the first playoff win since Johan Santana.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/04/23, 12:03:44 PM
Looks like pretty much the same lineup as yesterday with Baldelli swapping Walner and Jeffers in the 7th and 8th slots of the batting order.

Sonny Gray facing ex-Twin José Berríos on the mound. 

"Here’s how many pitches each of the Twins’ relievers threw in Game 1: Louie Varland: 2; Caleb Thielbar: 10; Griffin Jax : 8; Jhoan Duran: 14. Given how meticulously Minnesota planned its pitchers’ rest schedules to close the regular season, everyone will be available again."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/04/23, 01:38:10 PM
Taylor had a couple nice plays too that saved at least 2 runs, maybe 3. Kepler had that 1 at the fence as well. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/04/23, 05:13:34 PM
i turned on the Twins, seen they were up 2-0. watched Gray pick the runner off second for the 3rd out. turned it off for good fortune :sleazy: :sleazy:!!!!!! :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/04/23, 05:48:21 PM
Pull up a chair, as long as the pitching and defense holds you will be OK.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/04/23, 06:45:50 PM
Pull up a chair, as long as the pitching and defense holds you will be OK.  :smiley:
they did it!!!!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1: :happybounce: :dancinred:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on October 10/04/23, 06:47:49 PM
dang good to hear!!!!   :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/04/23, 07:07:20 PM
 :Clap: :cheerleader: :dancinred: :taz: :toast: :toast: :drinking: :snow3: :clap: :applause: :party3:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/04/23, 07:08:31 PM
Another great and fun game.  Fun as heck. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/05/23, 07:30:14 AM
Sounds like we play Houston on Fri but don't know what time yet. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/05/23, 07:36:28 AM
Looks like most of the times are still TBD.

2023 MLB playoffs: TV schedule, times, dates, live stream, watch postseason baseball online (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2023-mlb-playoffs-tv-schedule-times-dates-live-stream-watch-postseason-baseball-online/)

Divisional round

Saturday, Oct. 7
ALDS Game 1: No. 1 Orioles vs. No. 5 Rangers, 1 p.m. ET (Fox or FS1)
ALDS Game 1: No. 2 Astros vs. No. 3 Twins (Fox or FS1)
NLDS Game 1: No. 1 Braves vs. No. 4 Phillies (TBS)
NLDS Game 1: No. 2 Dodgers vs. No. 6 Diamondbacks (TBS)

Sunday, Oct. 8
ALDS Game 2: Orioles vs. Rangers (Fox or FS1)
ALDS Game 2: Astros vs. Twins (Fox or FS1)

Monday, Oct. 9
NLDS Game 2: Braves vs. Phillies (TBS)
NLDS Game 2: Dodgers vs. Diamondbacks (TBS)

Tuesday, Oct. 10
ALDS Game 3: Rangers vs. Orioles (Fox or FS1)
ALDS Game 3: Twins vs. Astros (Fox or FS1)

Wednesday, Oct. 11
NLDS Game 3: Phillies vs. Braves (TBS)
NLDS Game 3: Diamondbacks vs. Dodgers (TBS
ALDS Game 4*: Rangers vs. Orioles (Fox or FS1)
ALDS Game 4*: Twins vs. Astros (Fox or FS1)

Thursday, Oct. 12
NLDS Game 4*: Phillies vs. Braves (TBS)
NLDS Game 4*: Diamondbacks vs. Dodgers (TBS)

Friday, Oct. 13
ALDS Game 5*: Orioles vs. Rangers (Fox or FS1)
ALDS Game 5*: Astros vs. Twins (Fox or FS1)

Saturday, Oct. 14
NLDS Game 5*: Braves vs. Phillies (TBS)
NLDS Game 5*: Dodgers vs. Diamondbacks (TBS)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/05/23, 07:45:55 AM
i turned on the Twins, seen they were up 2-0. watched Gray pick the runner off second for the 3rd out. turned it off for good fortune
Thanks for turning off the game.  ;)

That pick-off move was awesome.  I think it was the turning point in the game.  I love watching Correa play short.

The announcers were worse yesterday than the day before.  Its like they used up all their material the first broadcast.

Did you guys know the Twins lost 18 straight playoff games, hadn't won a post season game since 2004, and hadn't won a playoff series since 2002?   :confused: :angry:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/05/23, 08:04:00 AM
Thanks for posting the schedule Steve. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/05/23, 08:15:02 AM
 :scratch: So,.....................who starts Game 1................Ryan? :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 08:24:03 AM
No baseball games in either league today or tomorrow. All 4 were sweeps.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/05/23, 08:26:26 AM
 :scratch: Sure glad they pulled Berrios!! :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 08:34:43 AM
No time set for Twins game on Saturday. Only one set is Baltimore and Texas at 12:00 noon. Guessing it will be after that at 3:30.

American will be on Fox
National on TBS
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 09:29:18 AM
Game 1: Twins at Astros, Saturday, Oct. 7 at 3:45 p.m. (FOX/FS1)
Game 2: Twins at Astros, Sunday, Oct. 8 at 7:03 p.m.  (FOX/FS1)
Game 3: Astros at Twins, Tuesday, Oct. 10 at 3:07 p.m. (FOX)
Game 4: Astros at Twins, Wednesday, Oct. 11* (Time TBD)
Game 5: Twins at Astros, Friday, Oct. 13* (Time TBD)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/05/23, 09:31:12 AM
:scratch: Sure glad they pulled Berrios!! :bonk:
Yep, kinda when like the Ruskies pulled Tretiak in the 1980 olympic hockey game.  :happy1: :rotflmao: :woot:

Berrios only had something like 50 pitches, right?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 09:36:45 AM
Pitchers.....My Guess....

Ryan vs Verlander in game 1

Lopez in game 2

Gray in game 3
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 09:39:00 AM
Vikings and Chiefs....3:30 on Sunday

Twins vs Astros at 7:00 Sunday
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/05/23, 10:58:13 AM
Gonna be a big day for us Minnesotans.   :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/05/23, 11:18:18 AM
OR... the biggest let down in MN sports history since the Twins finally broke their 18 game post-season losing streak.

Maybe I better get off the bandwagon with KOD :kiss: and find something else to do that day.  ;)
Twins...  I like their chances.  :happy1:  Vikes against the defending Superbowl champs...  not so much.   :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/05/23, 12:21:28 PM
 :scratch: Seen this https://www.fox9.com/sports/vikings-qb-kirk-cousins-takes-family-to-twins-playoff-game & thought it was kind of :cool:.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/05/23, 02:50:46 PM
Twins pickoff play......I saw that they had practiced it. With the catcher, pitcher and shortstop all having those speakers in their hats, they called for it. The bullpen has them also so they were all on their feet watching it.

They called for it then because the third base coach watches for that and yells at the runner when the shortstop moves towards second base. Well the crowd was so loud that he couldn't hear him and he got caught. Great play. :bonk: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/05/23, 03:05:23 PM
Twins pickoff play......Well the crowd was so loud that he couldn't hear him and he got caught. Great play.
Well, A-Rod was quick to point out that getting picked off 2nd was Little League 101, and he wasn't wrong, but as you pointed out - while there might not be excuses for bad things happening, there are reasons.   :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/05/23, 03:06:24 PM
Ya that was fun as heck.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/23, 05:59:45 AM
Pitchers.....My Guess....

Ryan vs Verlander in game 1

Lopez in game 2

Gray in game 3
:scratch: The MLB Network seemed to think that there was a chance of Ober getting the Game 1 start, as of yday.  :confused: I couldn't find anywhere this AM where Rocco had named his starters yet.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/23, 07:01:30 AM
I thought Ober was pretty good in his last start, but then I think it was only against the A's, yes?

I can see why some talking heads and pundits might try to get ahead of the power curve and predict someone other than Ryan for the Game 1 start - trying to be smarter than everyone else in the room - since Ryan does have that tendency to serve up those first inning taters.

At first they blamed Ryan for hiding an injury, they gave him some time off, and when Ryan came back, he was a bit better again.  But lately I think he as been slipping back and has served up some crushable pitches.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/23, 07:52:56 AM
He's gave up 5 HRs in his last 4 starts but 3 of those came @ Coors Field so...................  :rolleyes: Given up 13 earned runs in his last 3 games too, but again 6 of those were in Colorado.  :scratch: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/23, 08:43:48 AM
That's why managers get paid the big bucks - they live and die by making tough decisions - like when or if to start Ryan.  Perhaps Ryan will have a short leash with Ober being asked to be ready at any time.

And speaking of being ready at any time...

I was wondering why we didn't see The Pagan in the first two games - it was a sprinkling of Varland into Theilbar and Jax into Duran both times.  I was wondering if he might be hurt, but the other theory I shared with my wife was validated in the 9th inning of game two.

When Pagan didn't come into the 8th inning of either game I wondered if Baldelli was saving him in case "Doo-Ran" didn't have his best control - or they had to go to extra innings.  Turns out Baldelli had Pagan warming up in the 9th while Duran was misfiring on all those high fast balls.  But Duran brought it back under control and finished the game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/23, 11:29:36 AM
Yeah, Pagan has been about their steadiest guy out of bullpen since about late July/early August IMO. After his early season struggles, they convinced him he needed another off-speed breaking pitch & that's about the time he got it figured out. I'm not sure if it's a Cutter or a Splitfinger, but he's been much more effective since he's started throwing it. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/23, 12:26:22 PM
Actually, I just looked at his stats for the season & it looks like it was just after the ASG that he started using the new pitch.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/23, 12:52:29 PM
And now with Duran throwing his curve for strikes...  103 mph FB, 87 mph curve ball.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/23, 02:07:46 PM
I about put it on mute though when I heard A-Rod in the booth!! :puke:  :angry2: :banghead: :banghead:

Former Twin A.J. Pierzynski will be an analyst alongside former Cardinals pitcher Adam Wainwright for the Twins-Astros series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/06/23, 02:42:54 PM
wife bought tickets for Tuesdays game!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/06/23, 02:50:58 PM
 :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/06/23, 02:53:44 PM
Bailey Ober will take the mound Saturday for the Twins in Game 1 against the Astros in the American League Division Series.

Ober was left off the wild-card roster because he pitched in the regular season finale, so he is fully rested to start Saturday against Astros ace Justin Verlander.

Joe Ryan was scheduled to start a potential do-or-die Game 3 if it was necessary. Twins manager Rocco Baldelli apparently had second thoughts about starting Ryan against the Astros, who he faced twice in 2023 and gave up nine runs in 10 total innings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/06/23, 03:20:27 PM
Good for Ober.  He did what they asked him to do, worked hard, and earned his spot.

These are the problems managers like to have.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/06/23, 06:16:16 PM
I about put it on mute though when I heard A-Rod in the booth!! :puke:  :angry2: :banghead: :banghead:

Former Twin A.J. Pierzynski will be an analyst alongside former Cardinals pitcher Adam Wainwright for the Twins-Astros series.
:happy1: :cool: Seen that earlier too, Adam Amin will be doing the play-by-play.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/08/23, 07:32:07 AM
They had their chances early against the HOF'er but the DPs changed that. :rolleyes: You can't throw 1st pitch fastballs to Altuve there either. Alvarez's was a lot lower but still right down the middle. :pouty: They still made a game of it. Hope Lopez is sharp today. :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/08/23, 08:36:19 AM
They had Verlander where they could get him. His breaking pitches were all over the place. The only strikes he could throw were fastballs. Can't hit into DP's when you have the chance to knock him out in the first couple innings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/08/23, 08:54:32 AM
I feel the Twins could have had about a dozen more walks the way Verlander was pictching. He hardly threw a strike it seemed.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/08/23, 09:40:12 AM
That may prove to be the difference in the series...  Astros lineup is good top to bottom, Twins lineup - although hitting much better since the all start break, still has a lot of strikeout in them. 

Correa's power seems to be all dried up.  He doesn't even hit many line drive shots to the outfield.  Everything seems to be dribblers to the left side of the infield that sometimes make it thru cause you can't shift anymore.  :sad:  But man, can he play SS!   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/08/23, 12:43:07 PM
Actually, Taylor hit his DP ball pretty hard, it was just right at Pena. :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/08/23, 10:08:14 PM
I really wish Bill Bean never got involved in baseball. And I really wish pitchers were allowed to go over 100 pitches. Never understood this stupid made up stat.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/08/23, 10:09:41 PM
Here we go…! Bottom of 9
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/09/23, 06:31:10 AM
Lopez was more than sharp, he was almost unhittable. :happybounce: He had 69 strikes out of 105 pitches but probably even better he was nearly 80%, 21/27, on 1st pitch strikes. Except for that middle/middle Cutter Stewart threw Alvarez it was a great day to be a Twins pitcher, as Duran only needed 7 pitches to get through the 9th too. :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/09/23, 08:22:00 AM
My guess is the happiest guy was Correa.....Great day against his former team.

 :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/09/23, 08:34:15 AM
I was down on Correa for his lack-luster hitting to close out the season, but he is showing up at the plate in this series.  Announcers said at one point that Correa was 2 for 2 with runners in scoring position.  The rest of the team was 1 for 25.    :sad:

But they showed life late in Game 1 and kept putting on pressure and adding runs last night.  I'm still liking their chances.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/09/23, 02:31:03 PM
Twins announce plans for Games 3 and 4 at Target Field (https://www.kare11.com/article/sports/mlb/twins/twins-announce-plans-for-games-3-and-4-at-target-field/89-b3e95521-10b5-48a5-9044-886363e35d38)

Game 3: Tuesday, 3:07 p.m. at Target Field

Johan Santana will throw out Game 3’s ceremonial first pitch to Joe Mauer.

Two F-16 Fighting Falcons from the Minnesota National Guard’s 148th Fighter Wing, based out of Duluth, will wow the Target Field crowd.*


Game 4: Wednesday, 1:07 p.m. at Target Field. The start time could be flexed to 6:07 p.m. if Texas sweeps Baltimore with a win Tuesday.

Gary Gaetti and Dan Gladden will reunite at Target Field for Game 4’s ceremonial first pitch. The pitch will be thrown by Gaetti.  Gladden will catch Gaetti’s pitch.

*A few years back the, F16s passed over my house on their way to Target Field while the National Anthem was being played.  I had the game on and didn't know there was going to be a fly over until I heard the roar of fighter jets overhead and looked out to see the planes.  It took me a couple of moments to connect the dots.  :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/09/23, 03:19:06 PM
That is an awesome event when they do that.  Gives me goose bumps.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on October 10/09/23, 04:14:47 PM
That is an awesome event when they do that.  Gives me goose bumps.
That's cool stuff! To go ripping by at the right moment always steals the show for me.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/09/23, 04:15:16 PM
Twins announce plans for Games 3 and 4 at Target Field (https://www.kare11.com/article/sports/mlb/twins/twins-announce-plans-for-games-3-and-4-at-target-field/89-b3e95521-10b5-48a5-9044-886363e35d38)

Game 3: Tuesday, 3:07 p.m. at Target Field

Johan Santana will throw out Game 3’s ceremonial first pitch to Joe Mauer.

Two F-16 Fighting Falcons from the Minnesota National Guard’s 148th Fighter Wing, based out of Duluth, will wow the Target Field crowd.*


Game 4: Wednesday, 1:07 p.m. at Target Field. The start time could be flexed to 6:07 p.m. if Texas sweeps Baltimore with a win Tuesday.

Gary Gaetti and Dan Gladden will reunite at Target Field for Game 4’s ceremonial first pitch. The pitch will be thrown by Gaetti.  Gladden will catch Gaetti’s pitch.

*A few years back the, F16s passed over my house on their way to Target Field while the National Anthem was being played.  I had the game on and didn't know there was going to be a fly over until I heard the roar of fighter jets overhead and looked out to see the planes.  It took me a couple of moments to connect the dots.  :happy1:
i sure hope Mauer doesnt get bi-lateral leg weakness doing that!!!!!! :sleazy: :doah: :rolleyes: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/09/23, 09:18:31 PM
 :scratch: & I was hoping you wouldn't be watching!!! :nerd: :evil:                  ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/10/23, 06:59:44 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/10/23, 07:48:38 AM
 :scratch: Everybody thought the fans were great for the WCS. :happy1:  Look out today!!! The place might actually be moving. :cool: Go get 'em, Sonny!! :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/10/23, 08:48:35 AM
:scratch: & I was hoping you wouldn't be watching!!! :nerd: :evil:                  ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
its not raining or wind blowing a 100 so i may not!!!!!!!!!! :mooning: :rotflmao: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on October 10/10/23, 03:20:18 PM
Good lord, 4 zip already!! Glenn must be tuned in.. :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/10/23, 03:49:48 PM
Good lord, 4 zip already!! Glenn must be tuned in.. :bonk:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :tut: i tuned in it was already 4-0!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/10/23, 07:11:38 PM
Good lord, 4 zip already!! Glenn must be tuned in.. :bonk:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :tut: i tuned in it was already 4-0!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I'm hopin you have to work or something tomorrow.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Pulleye16 on October 10/10/23, 07:58:59 PM
Sooooooo glad we went.  :thumbs:

The crowd was all in…until they scored 4 runs in the first 1/3 inning. I’ve never seen the wind taken out the sails so quick.

That said, the crowd was actually pretty good. I gave up after the first inning but others still hung on.  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/11/23, 07:20:52 AM
Altuve & Alvarez hit good pitches but Abreu & Tucker's pitches got way too much of the plate. :pouty: Javier on the other hand, made good pitches when he needed to. :rolleyes: Ryan goes today, back on FS1 @ 6:00.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 07:23:12 AM
there season ends today.....golf tomorrow!!!!!!!! :sleazy: :evil: :rotflmao:

using my reverse phycology!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/11/23, 07:37:20 AM
 :scratch: Might work?  :doofus: I know it was the same for both teams, but the Twins looked like they were really having trouble with the shadows in the 1st couple innings to me. :sad:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/11/23, 07:38:57 AM
I thought they started at 1.  Someone told me that.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 07:41:21 AM
:scratch: Might work?  :doofus: I know it was the same for both teams, but the Twins looked like they were really having trouble with the shadows in the 1st couple innings to me. :sad:
really  :surrender: :bs:.......they played all season with that.... and houston didnt seem to have issues!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/11/23, 07:42:43 AM
I thought they started at 1.  Someone told me that.  Thanks for the update.
It changed after Texas swept the Orioles. If the O's had won it would've been a 1:00 game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/11/23, 07:56:24 AM
:scratch: Might work?  :doofus: I know it was the same for both teams, but the Twins looked like they were really having trouble with the shadows in the 1st couple innings to me. :sad:
really  :surrender: :bs:.......they played all season with that.... and houston didnt seem to have issues!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Both Wainwright & Pierszynski said something about the shadows a couple of times early. Then again after about the 3rd inning Pierszynski said again that he thought that the Twins were having trouble seeing the ball. He did catch a lot of games at Target Field, probably not many in October though. Sometimes, how/ where the pitcher releases the ball can even make a difference. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/11/23, 08:05:30 AM
Altuve & Alvarez hit good pitches but Abreu & Tucker's pitches got way too much of the plate. :pouty: Javier on the other hand, made good pitches when he needed to. :rolleyes: Ryan goes today, back on FS1 @ 6:00.
Yeah, sometimes you have to tip your hat to the hitter.  But from the pitching side, its the difference between being good and great.  Verlander navigates 2 innings with runners on base and gets out scoreless and Sonny spots 'em 4 out of the chute.  Still, I don't blame Sonny for the loss, but he did put them in a hole.  Twins hitters have to hit with runners in scoring position.  That, to me, is the difference so far.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/11/23, 08:18:46 AM
:scratch: Might work?  :doofus: I know it was the same for both teams, but the Twins looked like they were really having trouble with the shadows in the 1st couple innings to me. :sad:
really  :surrender: :bs:.......they played all season with that.... and houston didnt seem to have issues!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Both Wainwright & Pierszynski said something about the shadows a couple of times early. Then again after about the 3rd inning Pierszynski said again that he thought that the Twins were having trouble seeing the ball. He did catch a lot of games at Target Field, probably not many in October though. Sometimes, how/ where the pitcher releases the ball can even make a difference. :confused:
Yeah, I've been hearing the "shadows" comments a lot recently on broadcasts.  They like to say there are no excuses in sports, but there are reasons.  But if you can't see the ball, you can't see the ball.  Bottom line is...  for as improved as the Twins hitters have been since the All Star Break, I think the Astros have more good hitters than the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 12:24:22 PM
Altuve & Alvarez hit good pitches but Abreu & Tucker's pitches got way too much of the plate. :pouty: Javier on the other hand, made good pitches when he needed to. :rolleyes: Ryan goes today, back on FS1 @ 6:00.
if there playing at 6 they won't have the sun/shade excuse!! :sleazy: :surrender: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/11/23, 12:40:08 PM
I won't say what I'm thinkin about the Astros being able to jump all over Twins pitching in the first inning this series or recount all of Ryan's past struggles in the first frame.

I think their best shot to get thru the first inning is to make sure Glenn is mowing the lawn or something - anything else rather than watching.   :rotflmao: :bonk: ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/11/23, 03:17:46 PM
Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...

Yeah, its a lot of cyber analytics, but if you had the feeling that the Twins were getting jobbed, you were probably right.   :angry:

Twins getting hosed by umps far more than any other playoff team (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/twins/twins-getting-hosed-by-umps-far-more-than-any-other-playoff-team)

It's happened in every single [playoff] game the Twins have played.  So far and the Twins have been on the disadvantaged side of each of the top three games and four of the top six.  The overall disadvantage the Twins have faced accumulates to a 3.62 runs created for opposing teams. That's over four times more runs created for opposing teams than the next closest team in the postseason.

(https://www.si.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_700/MjAxMzc5OTgwODU5NDE4NDU2/1jfif.webp)
:pouty:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 03:28:01 PM
chart looks like it be similar to the vikings and chiefs!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/11/23, 03:55:31 PM
chart looks like it be similar to the vikings and chiefs!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:sorry: I'm :offtopic:, but maybe one of the Vikings needs to start dating a Kardashian to turn the team's season around.   :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 04:02:43 PM
chart looks like it be similar to the vikings and chiefs!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:sorry: I'm :offtopic:, but maybe one of the Vikings needs to start dating a Kardashian to turn the team's season around.   :bonk:
:puke: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 06:20:20 PM
so...........i'm turning on the twinkies!!!!!!!! :smoking: :sleazy: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/11/23, 06:45:39 PM
Byron Buxton activated now. :happy1:

Replaced Kiriloff.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 07:28:18 PM
I'm watching NCIS so the twins best do something. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/11/23, 07:42:56 PM
It's a re-run Glenn...they catch the bad guy.   ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on October 10/11/23, 08:09:17 PM
It's a re-run Glenn...they catch the bad guy.   ;)
:rotflmao: Yea but it's taking 2 episodes to do so! :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/12/23, 06:11:23 AM
It's a re-run Glenn...they catch the bad guy.   ;)
:scratch: :doah:                     ;) :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/12/23, 07:44:21 AM
Well the season is over. Nice while it lasted. Done watching baseball till next season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/12/23, 07:56:30 AM
Only 3 hits & 2 BB & that makes scoring many runs kind of tough. :rolleyes: Thielbar's FB to Abreu was up 2-3" & inside 3-4" from where he wanted it & that's all it took. :pouty: Abreu has always been a PITA for the Twins anyway, especially in his Chi-Sox days. Heard the booth say 40,994 there yday & think they said 41,000 on Tuesday. Capacity is 38,544. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/12/23, 08:01:44 AM
Well the season is over. Nice while it lasted. Done watching baseball till next season.
:happy1:  :cool: Yeah, still a fun season. :scratch: Think I'll be pulling for Bochy & the Rangers, Astros have been there enough lately. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/12/23, 08:46:24 AM
I'll still keep watching the playoffs.  I don't know if I like playoff baseball or playoff hockey better.  They are both great.  Probably baseball as I'm more apt to watch and enjoy games between two random teams. 

Season redux:  Even after they started hitting after the all star break, they had WAY too many 12, 13, 14 strikeout games.  I hope they find a hitting coach next year who can figure out how to put a stop to that. 

If Sonny Gray is gone, too bad for him he had to go out on a sour note.  No one will live with "4 runs in the first" longer than he will.

I feel a little bad for Ryan getting yanked so quick last night.  But the bull pen did their job and you'd like to think that Ryan might also have been available for an all-hands-on-deck game 5.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/12/23, 05:41:06 PM
Quit paying these guys to hit .200 with 30 homeruns and the swing & miss will go away
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/12/23, 05:53:13 PM
  :scratch: What about the Phillies DH? He had 215 SO's & a .197 BA, but he also scored 104 runs & had 108 RBI's. So, did he have a bad year? :confused: https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/_/id/33712
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/12/23, 06:22:17 PM
:scratch: What about the Phillies DH? He had 215 SO's & a .197 BA, but he also scored 104 runs & had 108 RBI's. So, did he have a bad year?  :confused: https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/_/id/33712

If he had 104 runs and 108 RBIs, he had hitters get on base in front of him, and hitters hitting after him in the order.  His strikeouts might have been high, but it looks like he was surrounded by hitters that didn't strike out.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/12/23, 06:40:27 PM
He did have 47 HR's but their lineup is loaded, they hit .256 as a team for the regular season which was good for a tie for 9th in all of MLB. But they did have 1481 strikeouts which is only about 1 less per game than the Twin's league leading 1654. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/13/23, 08:51:13 AM
Bottom line for the Twinks is that their clutch hitting left them.  Even if you make outs, you gotta at least put the ball in play - put pressure on the defense, force errors, get sacrifices, try to manufacture runs.  Strikes outs gain nothing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/14/23, 05:44:50 AM
Buxton had knee surgery yday & is expected to be ready for Spring Training. Kirilloff is scheduled to have surgery on his right shoulder on 10/24 too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/14/23, 07:12:46 AM
Good to see them both getting the surgery now rather than 2 weeks before spring training like some do. Now lets get the Latin guys to get their visa's taken care of so they make camp on time.

Buxton will need to move to a corner outfield position to save on his legs which are a problem now. That or he will end up being a full time DH.

Kirilloff concerns me in that when healthy he can be one of their top 3 hitters but he is getting a reputation of being injury prone which is not good. I like the kid and would love to see what he can do with a injury free season and 600 at bats.

I think Houston blows Texas away in 5. Arizona is on one of those weird baseball runs like the Twins had in '87, I still think Philly wins but who knows.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/14/23, 07:56:37 AM
 Kind of hopin for a Rangers/D'backs WS, myself.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/14/23, 08:19:21 AM
I get it.............the Astro's are still all these years later cheaters. But the Rangers are trying to buy their way into the annual play-off thing. That only increases the cost for all fans making it a middle to upper class sports. Bochy I like, the rest I don't find very interesting but thats just me.

Arizona I keep waiting for to get steamrolled, but it hasn't happened yet.

I like watching the progress Bryce Harper has made every year as a player. He is near the top of his game and the Phillies are rolling.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/14/23, 07:19:49 PM
The Rangers have a rookie in CF that's been looking really good on both sides of the ball. Only 23 games & 75 AB's so it's a very small sample, but he looks like he could be a 5-tool guy to me. I've never been a Harper fan & that's 1 reason why it's easy to root against the Phillies, along with the fact that their fans are just about as nasty as the Eagles IMO. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/14/23, 07:59:03 PM
You get East of Kentucky & Tennessee and assholes are abundant, it's not just Philly fans. Some of the rudest, self centered, loudmouth jerks i've ever met were from New York.

Aside from that, the Philly dynamic with Harper, Turner, Nola and Wheeler make watching Philly fun for me.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/15/23, 07:49:52 AM
Was out that way, Baltimore, a long time ago & didn't care for it then. :thumbs: I'd bet it hasn't got any better.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on October 10/15/23, 09:42:34 AM
I don't think I would go to an Eagles Vikes game even if I had free tickets. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/16/23, 08:05:07 AM
That was Verlander's 1st Game 1 loss since 2012. :bow: AL @ 3:37 on Fox & FS1, NL @7:07 on TBS. :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/16/23, 08:16:23 AM
But the pitching was just a little bit better by the Rangers.

Funny how Verlander's start was similar to the start with the Twins...  He had traffic on the bases early again, but the difference for the Twins was they couldn't capitalize. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/16/23, 12:45:30 PM
I pretty much feel the same way about the Astros now as I used to feel about the Braves...

Still, I was kinda pulling for Verlander.  He is two wins behind Andy Pettitte at 19 and two ahead of John Smoltz.

It would have been fun to see a Verlander-Scherzer matchup.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/16/23, 12:59:15 PM
 :scratch: The bottom of the Ranger's lineup was just a little bit better too. Kind of a fan of the guy, Carter, that scored the 1st run. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/16/23, 01:50:26 PM
The thing about the Twins' playoff run this year is (was :pouty:) that they were who they were all year.

They had good pitching, but the starters were often prone to having one bad inning per start.

And although they hit better in the 2nd half, they still struggled to get clutch hitting.  Even in that good hitting stretch, the big hit seemed to come from someone different every night.  No one really got and stayed consistently hot with only Kepler hitting above .300 after the break at .306.  And once the playoffs started, only Correa and Julien showed up - with some timely power from Lewis!   :happy1:

In the immortal words of now immortal Denny Green:  "They are who we thought they were."
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/16/23, 05:55:47 PM
This season provided plenty of opportunity for the bandwagon jumpers. They were busy getting on & off all season.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/17/23, 12:15:47 PM
A couple good games yday!! :cool: Eovaldi getting out of the bases loaded, nobody out jam in the 5th was huge in that game. D'backs only getting 1 run in the 7th was the difference in that game too, IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/18/23, 07:32:53 AM
 :scratch: It's starting to look like the Phillies could be hard to beat this year. I'm not counting the Astros out yet :rolleyes: but it's a big game today with Scherzer taking the mound for the Rangers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on October 10/18/23, 05:41:31 PM
With Wheeler and Nola and a 2-0 lead the Phillies are going to be a tough out.
I like Philly's batting order top to bottom better than Houston's.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/20/23, 06:03:53 AM
 :scratch: I saw Pfaadt pitch a couple times towards the end of the season & he looked pretty good then too. But he had some wicked movement on his breaking stuff & some real jump on his heater as well yady. :shocked: Big games today.................for both series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/20/23, 08:09:20 AM
Looking at the way the Astros are hitting now, and looking back to how the Twins held them more or less in check in 3 of the 4 games...  I think it speaks volumes on the Twins pitching.  It would have been really fun to see how far they could have gone if they could have gotten past that series.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on October 10/31/23, 10:46:21 AM
After 40 years Dick Bremer has resigned as Twins TV broadcaster at years end. Will take a job in the Twins front office in Public Relations.

So long Dick.... :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on October 10/31/23, 11:23:59 AM
Too bad :sad:, I enjoyed listening to him, 40 years is a long time doing anything though. :scratch: Wonder who'll replace him?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on October 10/31/23, 12:29:44 PM
Too bad :sad:, I enjoyed listening to him, 40 years is a long time doing anything though. :scratch: Wonder who'll replace him?
Yes, I wonder too.

'Twins officials said they are currently evaluating "broadcast options, as well as a talent lineup for the 2024 season and beyond."'

I don't know how many times he might have re-told this story recently, but he was talking about how he had the first, original Homer Hankey.  Dick walked into the Twins' offices and someone from the Star Tribune was there pitching the idea.  They asked him what he thought and he replied that he didn't think it would take off.  But they gave him that first one anyway, and the rest is history.  During the playoff run he said he tied it to his car antenna (for all you young whipper-snappers out there... all cars used to have radio antennas), and one night when it was parked in the ramp, someone had come along, cut it off, and just left a little corner tied to the antenna.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/01/23, 07:48:55 AM
 :scratch: https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2023/10/31/twins-dick-bremer-bally-sports  :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/01/23, 08:11:01 AM
:scratch: https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2023/10/31/twins-dick-bremer-bally-sports  :confused:

Who will replace Bremer. A logical choice would be radio broadcaster Cory Provus, who filled in for Bremer when he had Covid in April.  Plus, Kris Atteberry has already proved capable of calling Twins games on the radio when Provus or Dan Gladden were out.

I think I like the move of Provus to the TV broadcast.  That is because, for radio, I REALLY want a guy with a distinctive voice.  Cory does a great job, but lacks that in my meaningless opinion.  Maybe Atteberry, but...  but...  I guess I'm just pining for the days of Vin Sculley or Herb Carneal.  Like the article said, the Twins want to get younger in the broad case booth and you don't to that by hiring dulcet-toned gentlemen.

The Twins have likely broadcast their last game on Bally Sports North.  [The Twins are] probably not interested in a new [contract] while the company is trying to restructure under bankruptcy protection.  Why it matters: [Bally] Sports Group was paying the team $54.8 million annually for broadcast rights.

It's not likely [the Twins] will make anywhere near that much in local TV money next year.  Minnesota had its highest payroll ever last year, at $156 million. A loss of millions could make ownership reluctant to bring in more talent this offseason.
 :pouty:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/02/23, 11:19:05 PM
 I seen this late yday. https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/twins-exercise-contract-options-kepler-polanco/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/09/23, 08:42:51 AM
Here is comes...   :tut:

Minnesota Twins Set to Cut Payroll Amid Almost Certain Departure From Bankrupt Bally Sports RSN (https://www.nexttv.com/news/minnesota-twins-set-to-cut-payroll-amid-almost-certain-departure-from-bankrupt-bally-sports-rsn)

Major League Baseball's Minnesota Twins are reducing their payroll and exploring alternative local TV options following the expiration of the team's agreement with bankrupt regional sports network operator Diamond Sports Group.

Speaking at a league-wide general managers meeting earlier this week, Twins GM Derek Falvey said he doesn't expect the team to match the all-time club high $156 million collective player payroll it carried in the recently completed 2023 MLB season.
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/09/23, 09:04:45 AM
 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on November 11/09/23, 10:48:20 AM
Tight azz f$__&-(ers :angry2: :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/09/23, 12:18:40 PM
And now sports fans...  HERE'S YOUR... MINNESOTA TWINS!!!

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HaQdp_rjtco/VPYm5FCepZI/AAAAAAAAFMU/Dle82Eg8IpI/s1600/little%2Bengine.jpg)

SO tired with all their "small market" excuses. 

I know having the top payrolls don't guarantee success, but they had something good going last year - and for the time being - they are convinced they need to hedge their bets against keeping things rolling.  G'luck with next year's season ticket sales.

 :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on November 11/09/23, 02:35:25 PM
Just what they need is another excuse to cheap out on the team. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on November 11/09/23, 02:48:32 PM
Can save some funds, or a lot by sending Buxton packing.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/09/23, 05:41:54 PM
They made a qualifying offer to Sonny Gray.I think he can get more elsewhere.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/09/23, 06:47:03 PM
 :scratch: One of the 1st articles I read about the DSG bankruptcy way back in August said that this was probably going to have to happen, so I'm not at all surprised. :rolleyes: They are going lose at least $25-30 mil of the $54 mil in TV revenue they were getting, if they are lucky. :sad: So, 1 of their bigger sources of incoming $ gets cut in < 1/2 & they're supposed to increase what they spend?  :crazy: :tut: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/09/23, 07:55:56 PM
Minneapolis was supposed to build them a stadium that increased the value of their franchise by how many billion?
 :pouty:
There aren't any rules in baseball that say they can't go all-in when they have something good going. :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/09/23, 08:06:15 PM
Minneapolis was supposed to build them a stadium that increased the value of their franchise by how many billion?
 :pouty:
There aren't any rules in baseball that say they can't go all-in when they have something good going. :coffee:

There also is no rules stating that they can't spend and buy at the trade deadline if they are in contention.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/10/23, 07:12:44 AM
 :scratch: The latest on it from the people that cover the team all the time. https://twinsdaily.com/forums/topic/65244-how-will-television-uncertainties-affect-2024-payroll/#comment-1341516 :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on November 11/10/23, 09:07:41 AM
Isn't that interesting.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/10/23, 09:39:37 AM
Ball guys like numbers, right?    :hubba:

2023  Rank=17th, Twins Payroll=$129.7M (League Avg=$150.6)  Twins spent 13.88% BELOW league average.   :scratch:
2022  Rank=20th, Twins Payroll=$110.5M (League Avg=$143.5)  Twins spent 18.17% BELOW league average.   :doah:
2021  Rank=22th, Twins Payroll=$120.2M (League Avg=$119.7)  Twins spent 0.45% above league average.   :coffee:

2020=20th, 2019=18th, 2018=18th, 2017=22nd, 2016=18th, 2015=18th, 2014=24th, 2013=22nd, 2012=13th, 2011=9th, 2010=11th, 2009=24th, 2008=25th, 2007=18th, 2006=19th, 2005=20th, 2004=19th, 2003=18th
See a trend?   :confused:

Bally got exclusive rights in 2011 to broadcast games.

This year they are talking about how they'll cut payroll because they won't have all this revenue coming in.  Well it looks to me like - besides a couple of years when the Bally contract first came in - that the Twins are pretty happy slotting in at anywhere between 17th and 25th in payroll - regardless of what TV contract they have.

Again, they are hedging their bets again and playing that small market, Little Engine that Could game.    :surrender:

I like this point that was made in the article, Gunner:  Twins fans were lucky to have almost off of the games broadcast and widely available on cable TV.  To my mind they got their product out there and their success grew expectations amongst a larger audience.  And now they're going to backpedal again?!!?   :doah:  :embarrassed:   :bs:
 :tut: :doofus: :thumbs: :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/10/23, 11:30:27 AM
 :scratch: The #'s can be manipulated too, as this says they had $156 mil in salary last season & that was ~ $9 mil under league avg, which is more like 6%. :confused: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/2023/
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/10/23, 11:54:41 AM
Admittedly, this source is "opening day payrolls."  I don't have any idea how accurate or factual they are.  https://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm (https://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm)  Your source is probably more accurate, but the relative differentials are similar.  (I can't re-do all my numbers because after a couple of clicks that site says I need a subscription.)

My point is, the Twins are content with spending just under league average.

My prediction based on what I saw there is that the Twins will drop back down to 20th-22nd again in 2024.

They have always been more serious about running the Twins like a business than building a winning team.  And there ain't no law against that.

And as long as MN fans tolerate that and keep coming to the games, there is no incentive for the front office do do anything different.  Coincidentally, they were 19th in the league in attendance last year with 24,371 per game.  I wonder how the Twins would respond if that number dropped down to 15,000 per game - cut payroll some more? 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/10/23, 05:35:12 PM
Lets see..........you can run a middle of the road pay-roll and make the play-offs. Once in the play-offs the only team with a smaller pay-roll will be Tampa Bay. The balance of the play-offs most years will consist on either New York, Boston, Toronto in the East. Houston, Texas and the Angles in the West. On any given year most of those teams pay-roll will eclipse $200 million.

Where does it make economic sense to go crazy spending? If Buxton was healthy that middle of the pack pay-roll get them past Houston and playing for the American League championship.

Pohlads first and foremost are bankers, secondly they are businessmen, lastly they know a fool and his money are soon parted.

If you want to be a fan of a idiot that spends hop onto the Angels and Padres bandwagon.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/10/23, 05:46:17 PM
Yes, you're right.  If they spent like the Yankees or Angels and lose, I'd be more pissed.

All'st I'm saying is I'm sick of this team finding reasons not to spend money. 

When a sports franchise has a window open to make a push to improve and contend for a championship, what's wrong with going "all in" once in a while. 

If they cut payroll and lose the in the World Series next year, God bless 'em.  If they finish 2nd or 3rd in a bad division, they will get what they deserve.

I think this team should make deals that make sense, but when the first words out of their mouths are, "We can't afford to keep spending like this," it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/10/23, 06:56:34 PM
So they want to make a $30 million dollar payroll cut over what they had this year. How hard is that? Farmer is $6 million. Polanco and Kepler are $10 million each, send one moving along for prospects and maybe a bench player. Gray will turn down his $20 million offer and go to free agency. Theres $36 million and you haven't weakened the roster all that much. Which is true if you expect Grays innings to be taken by Paddock.

It's not how much you spend but how you spend it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/10/23, 08:47:32 PM
 :scratch: The NYM outspent($343) the NYY & SD on payroll by$ 65 & $85 mil respectively & none of them played a single playoff game this year. :crazy: A mid to small market does that very often & the team might be up for sale.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/15/23, 08:38:55 AM
Sonny Gray rejects Twins offer of $20 million for 1 year. He has never been a free agent and will look for a lot more than that.  :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/15/23, 08:47:30 AM
I reckon he'll get it, and prolly more than a one year deal.

We all know I don't know nothin about nothin - expecially baseball - but that Twins offer looks to me like a meaningless token gesture.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/15/23, 10:54:43 AM
I reckon he'll get it, and prolly more than a one year deal.

We all know I don't know nothin about nothin - expecially baseball - but that Twins offer looks to me like a meaningless token gesture.
Ohtani got offered the same exact amount as Gray & so did 5 others. It's called a "qualifying offer" & has been part of the MLBPA last 3 CBAs as to how it is figured. If they turn it down & sign elsewhere the team they are leaving receives some Draft compensation. https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-qualifying-offer-candidates-and-decisions Explains it pretty well.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/15/23, 12:51:06 PM
I reckon he'll get it, and prolly more than a one year deal.

We all know I don't know nothin about nothin - expecially baseball - but that Twins offer looks to me like a meaningless token gesture.
Ohtani got offered the same exact amount as Gray & so did 5 others. It's called a "qualifying offer" & has been part of the MLBPA last 3 CBAs as to how it is figured. If they turn it down & sign elsewhere the team they are leaving receives some Draft compensation. https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-24-qualifying-offer-candidates-and-decisions Explains it pretty well.

So qualifying offer means bear minimum to get the compensation pick when he leaves.  "Ya can't say we didn't make him a good offer."   :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/15/23, 02:28:14 PM
$20 Million "bare minimum."  :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/15/23, 02:31:52 PM
The actual # is gotten by averaging of what the top 125 players make for that season. I'm not sure how they came up with that but they did. :scratch: So, if you do the #'s & I just did..................with 30 teams X 26 players on each means there are 780 MLB players, divide by 125 into that & you come up with 16%. So it's an avg of about the top 1/6 $ makers of the league that year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/15/23, 02:45:52 PM
I spose its similar to the "Franchise" tag in football - the average salary of the top 5 highest paid players at that position. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/15/23, 05:26:03 PM
Like was mentioned this really means very little in the big pitcher. There have only been a small handful of guys who have accepted the qualifying offer. By giving the qualifying offer the Twins protect themselves if Gray should leave. The team signing him has to give up a draft choice to the Twins. Gray has the certainty of heading into the market, the Twins also can sign him to any number they want.

It's good for the players and the teams.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/27/23, 08:15:34 AM
Maeda signs 2 year $24 million deal with Tigers.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/27/23, 08:20:34 AM
Don't need 'em.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/27/23, 09:13:46 AM
Speculation is Gray is signing with the Cardinals today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/27/23, 10:09:29 AM
Don't need 'em.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/27/23, 04:14:04 PM
Sonny Gray signing 3 years for $75 million with St. Louis.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/28/23, 08:52:07 AM
2024 MLB Free Agent Tracker (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/starting-pitcher/)

Aaron Nola got 7 years $24.57M per
Sonny Gray got 3 years $25M per
Kenta Maeda got 2 years $12M per
Kyle Gibson got 1 year $12M
Lance Lynn got 1 year $11M

What do 4 of those 5 guys have in common?  They all USED to pitch for the Twins!  :rotflmao: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on November 11/28/23, 06:05:39 PM
And 3 out of 4 would be a #5 or in the bullpen.

I'm fine with all 4 being gone.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/30/23, 08:06:31 AM
Pagan signs a 2 year $16 million contract with the Reds. He had a 2.99 ERA in 66 games with the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/30/23, 08:40:32 AM
Don't need 'em.  :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/30/23, 10:12:15 AM
No way, were they going to sign him for that kind of money. He made $3.5 mil last year, so that's > than 2 X(128%) raise. :crazy: That is a pretty hitter friendly park too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on November 11/30/23, 11:31:26 AM
No way, were they going to sign him for that kind of money. He made $3.5 mil last year, so that's > than 2 X(128%) raise. :crazy: That is a pretty hitter friendly park too.
Yeah, and despite my off and on criticism of him last year, he saved their bacon many times - even if some of the innings were nail-biters.  I'm all about making good baseball decisions.  Time for the Brain Wizards to earn THEIR money again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/19/23, 10:05:51 AM
Minnesota Twins games on Amazon Prime in the future?

It's a possibility, according to a report from the New York Times that says Amazon is in talks with Diamond Sports Group, the bankrupt operator of the Bally Sports regional sports network that has baseball fans in Minnesota and elsewhere wondering how they'll be able to watch games next season.

"It will be on. Twins will be televised in 2024. Mark it down," new Twins television announcer Cory Provus said on the Gleeman & The Geek podcast this week.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/19/23, 10:42:13 AM
I wondered what was going to happen.  I guess I can see it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/19/23, 11:47:21 AM
How much they goona charge for it?    :doah:

Free to Prime users?   :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/19/23, 12:02:57 PM
Yup I bet a Prime thing.  So free shipping and their Netflix type thing and baseball for about $100 year.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/23, 04:21:54 PM
Much like their NFL games on Thursday, free to Prime subscribers. A great way to build their streaming & Prime subscription #s IMO. A lot of MLB, NBA, & even 1/3 of the NHL teams could be included in this deal. https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2023/12/18/amazon-in-talks-to-invest-in-diamond-sports-group.aspx
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/19/23, 04:25:27 PM
Yes great marketing plan by Amazon.  I didn't think the NFL thing would work out as good as it has.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/19/23, 04:30:57 PM
I knew Diamond had a big Regional Sports Network(RSN) but I didn't know it was a big as what the article says.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on December 12/19/23, 06:36:03 PM
Yup all owned by Sinclair that decided to quit selling the sports package to all of the other companies like Dish Hulu Youtube etc.  They wanted everyone to go through Bally to try to make a killing.  It backfired on them and now they are Bankrupt. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/19/23, 06:47:10 PM
Right up until Amazon ups their Prime fees because of all the added service OR starts making you pay ala carte for all the extras.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/19/23, 07:58:01 PM
There is no doubt the Twins will be on TV somewhere. I'm only willing to pay X to watch on TV. If it becomes the typical money grab i'll just listen on radio.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/20/23, 06:41:48 AM
 I agree with db :shocked: ;) :smiley:, in that the markets.................i.e. supply & demand is what really sets the prices. They charge too much for their service, the market will tell them so. Besides, if anybody can do it better for cheaper it's probably Bezos, IMO. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on January 01/17/24, 04:13:24 PM
Diamond Sports Group, the owner of 18 regional sports networks (RSNs) including Bally Sports North, has agreed a deal that will allow it to emerge from bankruptcy and is set to pave the way for MLB, NHL and NBA games to be streamed on Amazon Prime.

Twins, Wolves, Wild and Lynx games could soon be made available on Prime.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/17/24, 04:20:00 PM
Diamond Sports Group, the owner of 18 regional sports networks (RSNs) including Bally Sports North, has agreed a deal that will allow it to emerge from bankruptcy and is set to pave the way for MLB, NHL and NBA games to be streamed on Amazon Prime.

Twins, Wolves, Wild and Lynx games could soon be made available on Prime.
:crazy: :crazy: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/17/24, 06:50:12 PM
Prime has 160 million subscribers worldwide & we have been 1 of them from the beginning. :happybounce: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/17/24, 08:19:18 PM
Diamond Sports Group, the owner of 18 regional sports networks (RSNs) including Bally Sports North, has agreed a deal that will allow it to emerge from bankruptcy and is set to pave the way for MLB, NHL and NBA games to be streamed on Amazon Prime.

Twins, Wolves, Wild and Lynx games could soon be made available on Prime.
Don't know how those rich tycoon types can write a bad contract to WAY overpay for the rights to broadcast sports, loose money the whole time, file bankruptcy, emerge somehow, and I'll bet someone at Diamond Sports is coming out of it smelling like a rose.  I wonder who.  :scratch:

And Bezos is the master of buy low/sell high.  He'll make out like a bandit too.

(https://i.etsystatic.com/39063241/r/il/1707c7/4921012079/il_570xN.4921012079_7aag.jpg)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/18/24, 06:53:49 AM
It has been common practice to spin off the $ losing parts of the business after loading them with debt. Then file bancruptcy & after bankruptcy buying back the $ losing businesses that are now debt free for pennies on the dollar. But the courts have finally gotten wise to that strategy & are stopping it now. So, Amazon steps in & offers $100 mil for those rights instead as that's an easy, relatively cheap way for them to expand their Prime streaming service. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on January 01/18/24, 07:16:38 AM
So basically Amazon is bailing Diamond out.  Hence they get the sports contracts. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/18/24, 12:10:15 PM
 :angry2: :angry2: :confused:  there all effin crooks!!!!! :bs: :surrender:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/19/24, 02:40:38 PM
 
:angry2: :angry2: :confused:  there all effin crooks!!!!! :bs: :surrender:
:scratch: That from a guy who had Jimmy Hoffa for a hero. :doah:             :sleazy: :mooning: :evil:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on January 01/19/24, 04:21:53 PM
SO if the Twins are on Amazon I sure as he77 hope they also get it on all of the area cable companies.  My Dad is gonna be 92 and he and my Mom live in an assisted living apt.  I sure hope he gets to watch the Twins.  That keeps one busy all summer.  Very important. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/19/24, 04:50:19 PM
It is worth doing whatever you can to figure it out, firestick, roku, etc... to get the games on.

But I also know that finding staff to figure out TV issues in assisted living to help switch channels when the games come on is rough - assuming someone at 92 would struggle switching sources on remote control connections and remembering amazon passwords.  :doah:

I'm in my 60s and have all I can do to find what I want.    :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: roony on January 01/19/24, 05:07:54 PM
A lot of elderly people really enjoy the twins. My wife is wondering if there is something they can do at the nursing home she works at.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on January 01/20/24, 08:30:06 AM
I suppose their cable provider would have to get Amazon in order for it to be on. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: fishingstar on January 01/20/24, 09:04:58 AM
I'm hopping it's not just amazon prime. Maybe they will have will have it on bally and they will have the money to hire someone to fix there app.
I don't use the app but I heard it sucks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on January 01/20/24, 09:27:04 AM
 :scratch: I read somewhere that there had been some talk of whoever ended up getting the broadcast rights keeping the same production crews, including the announcers as Bally had doin it. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Bobberineyes on January 01/20/24, 02:07:18 PM
:angry2: :angry2: :confused:  there all effin crooks!!!!! :bs: :surrender:
:scratch: That from a guy who had Jimmy Hoffa for a hero. :doah:             :sleazy: :mooning: :evil:
That's funny stuff !!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/20/24, 04:06:30 PM
:scratch: I read somewhere that there had been some talk of whoever ended up getting the broadcast rights keeping the same production crews, including the announcers as Bally had doin it. :confused:


I think the clubs control who the announcers are, in fact I think they are paid by the club. Thats how Bremer ended up with a PR job with the Twins.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on January 01/23/24, 07:29:36 PM
way to go Joe M!!!!   in the 1st round!!!   Mn boy does good!!!   
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on February 02/03/24, 08:21:33 AM
Bally Sports North will carry Minnesota Twins games in the 2024 MLB season, which will be available for cable and streaming TV subscribers whose packages include BSN.
There will be no "direct-to-consumer" option for Twins games in 2024. Games will not be shown on Bally Sports Plus, nor will a separate option be made available this season for fans who want to stream Twins games and Twins games alone.
Out-of-market fans who are outside of the blackout areas will still be able to stream Twins games via MLB.TV or MLB Extra Innings.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/03/24, 09:13:37 AM
I know Polanco was aging and often hurt, but i hope the Twinks get some value out of that trade.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/03/24, 12:50:16 PM
Bally Sports North will carry Minnesota Twins games in the 2024 MLB season, which will be available for cable and streaming TV subscribers whose packages include BSN.
There will be no "direct-to-consumer" option for Twins games in 2024. Games will not be shown on Bally Sports Plus, nor will a separate option be made available this season for fans who want to stream Twins games and Twins games alone.
Out-of-market fans who are outside of the blackout areas will still be able to stream Twins games via MLB.TV or MLB Extra Innings.


OK, since I don't have cable it will be radio only I guess.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/03/24, 12:54:09 PM
Twins sign Santana (yawn) to play first base / DH on a 1 year 5.25 million dollar deal.

I couldn't have been less impressed had they signed Iowaboy or Glenn to a starters spot.

Pitchers & catchers report in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/03/24, 02:16:37 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll have you know I was one hellofa batboy in my day! :coffee: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/04/24, 10:09:35 AM
 :scratch: Santana has a good glove & hits lefties pretty well, so I think he might be a good backup for Kirilloff at 1st. He might even be able to teach him how to cover the double down the line. :rolleyes: Only other options was probably going to be Miranda, or trying Julien or Farmer over there. He'll see a fair amount of time at DH too, IMO.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/04/24, 10:44:33 AM
This is my opinion only.

If healthy Kirilloff needs to play first. Twins need to know what they have there. DH opportunities will be limited because of Buxton. Even healthy I don't think the Twins trot him out to centerfield more than a 100 games.

In my mind it was a waste of $5 million spent only to mollify the fans, not to address a real need.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/05/24, 07:01:27 AM
Kirilloff has never played in 90 games or had 290 ABs in a MLB season either so they could be worried about him being able to play everyday too. :scratch: They lost a lot of pitching when Gray & Maeda both left & I was hoping they would sign another good starter to eat some of those innings. Also read where Seattle was asking about Kepler during the Polanco trade too. :confused: The 1st preseason game is < 3 weeks away, 2/24.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/05/24, 08:44:41 AM
Kepler will be another great storyline for the season:  Will the Twins get the "finally figured it out Kepler" or the "regressed back to his career average Kepler."  I think the numbers indicated it made sense to roll the dice one more year.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/13/24, 07:21:55 AM
Ft. Myers will start getting busy tomorrow as the pitchers & catchers are due to report to camp.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/13/24, 10:08:31 AM
 :bonk: Forgot to mention that Nick Gordon was traded on Sunday to the Marlins. He's expected to mainly backup their everyday centerfielder, along with some LF, & to spell Arraez at 2nd some too. The Twins got Steven Okert a veteran lefthanded reliever in return. :cool: He's mainly a sinker/slider guy & is under team control for 3 more seasons. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/23/24, 10:01:33 AM
ESPN had the 1st preseason game of the year on yday PM. It was the Dodgers & Padres though so I didn't tune in. ;) :smiley: There's 4 games slated for today but only 1 is televised, the same matchup as yday. It looks like everybody plays on Saturday but it doesn't look like any of them will be on TV. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on February 02/23/24, 10:34:23 AM
 :cry: :cry: :violin: :violin: :violin: :mooning: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/23/24, 04:12:09 PM
Should have a game on soon wouldn't you think?  How long is preseason?  I watched more Twins last year and the year before than I have in my entire life.  The wife too.  We really enjoy them.  At first I thought who the heck needs that many games but there is a seasonal time slot that they fill with them.  I have said this before.  I am amazed at how many injuries there are in baseball. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/23/24, 06:16:31 PM
I believe there are 34 preseason games. I don't know if that includes split squad games.
I don't have Bally this year so it will be all radio for me, i'm good with that.
I must say you really need to be die hard to wanna watch early season preseason games. These are kids who will never be heard from again.   :smiley:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on February 02/23/24, 08:06:35 PM
Agreed so 34 preseason games for each team.  That is a lot of games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/24, 07:06:19 AM
 :scratch: I'm not sure if it's a typo or what but I only counted 33 games in the Twins preseason schedule & I counted 'em 3 times. :confused: Their 1st game is today & the last is 3/26 with only 2 off days. There's 3 days where it appears that they play split squad games in there too. I like to see what young guys are getting an early look & see if any of 'em are thought to have a chance to make the big squad by season's end. None of the Twins games are listed as televised but I looked at 3-4 team's preseason schedules & the only games listed were the ones on ESPN's own network.  :rolleyes: https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/schedule/_/name/min/minnesota-twins
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on February 02/24/24, 08:39:22 AM
Twins will carry 8 games on TV and 20 more on radio. Here is the schedule of all the spring games. Scroll down to see the entire schedule. First TV game is March 12....

https://www.si.com/mlb/twins/news/twins-announce-spring-training-broadcast-schedule
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/24/24, 08:56:35 AM
 :scratch: I see from your post, Ken, that game #34 was actually an "Exhibition" with the Gophers yday. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on February 02/26/24, 12:54:09 PM
Twins and Yankees on MLB right now!!!!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on February 02/26/24, 06:09:47 PM
Twins are acquiring Margot from the Dodgers as a back-up for Buxton. Cheaper than Taylor.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on February 02/27/24, 07:20:46 AM
 :happy1: https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/minnesota-twins-acquire-outfielder-manuel-margot-from-dodgers-in-3-player-trade-r15763/  :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on February 02/27/24, 09:19:46 AM
The Twins are "The Little Engine that Could" again...

I think I can.  I think I can.  I think I can.   :coffee:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/16/24, 06:04:17 AM
The season opener is < 2 weeks away (03/28) & everybody plays that day, weather permitting. They play today @ 12:05 & BSNOR has coverage. I probably won't watch the whole game but I'm sure I'll check it out a few times. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/16/24, 08:04:34 AM
I'll admit I haven't paid much attention to this point. Maybe once the season gets going I will. For me the whole season will boil down to Correa, Buxton & Paddack. If all 3 have healthy productive seasons the Twins should cruise into winning the division. KC will give them a tussle early and Detroit is slowly putting things together also. Cleveland is Cleveland and the White Sux......well they'll get what they deserve this year.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/16/24, 10:26:43 AM
 :scratch: I'm hoping Ryan, Ober, Paddack & the guy they got from SF, DeSclafani, stay healthy & give us some innings. Varland will probably get some more work as a starter too. It seems like they added some depth to the bullpen, I just hope they don't burn 'em all out by July & August. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/21/24, 10:09:37 AM
I've watched a couple preseason games in the last 5-6 days & I found out both Duran(oblique) & Thielbar(hamstring) are going to start the season on the IL.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/21/24, 12:34:15 PM
I don't ever recall that happening in the "Old Daze" but it probably did.

Either that or today's bigger, stronger, faster athletes are strung so tight that they are simply more injury prone - like a thoroughbred horse.  They can't take being over-worked.  Its a delicate balancing act to keep them in top form.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/21/24, 12:53:08 PM
Like I said as a fairly new baseball fan I can't believe they have so many injuries. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/26/24, 06:59:56 PM
They're probably in the air right now & should be in KC in the next 2-3 hours. Opening Day is Thursday, 1st pitch is scheduled for 3:10. BSNOR has it. https://www.ballysports.com/article/clt5vwpof000j12ahe4mragig TV schedule at the bottom.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/27/24, 09:09:30 PM
I see they're going to start the season with 4 pitchers on the IL. The guys they got from Seattle & KC, plus Thielbar & Duran. :sad: Hope that's not a sign of things to come. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/28/24, 07:41:02 AM
Pablo Lopez vs Cole Ragan @ Kauffman Stadium today, 3:10 1st pitch. :happy1: :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/28/24, 10:47:46 AM
Pablo Lopez vs Cole Ragan @ Kauffman Stadium today, 3:10 1st pitch. :happy1: :cheerleader:
:pouty: whoopdey doo........... :moon: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/28/24, 04:44:35 PM
Well, that didn't take long. Royce Lewis goes 2 for 2 with a home run the first time up. Then comes around third on a Correa double and comes up limping. Leaves the game. :pouty: :pouty: :pouty:

Good pitching and hitting when it counted.....4-1 win. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/28/24, 06:35:51 PM
4-1 win to go 1-0 for the season, off day tomorrow and back at it Saturday.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/28/24, 07:00:02 PM
4-1 win to go 1-0 for the season, off day tomorrow and back at it Saturday.
well they can sell beer now...they didnt lose the opener!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :surrender: :bonk: :bonk:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/29/24, 04:06:07 AM
Lewis had an MRI post-game but no results yet.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/29/24, 07:00:03 PM
Kepler's X-ray came back negative, he's day-to-day. Still nothing more on Lewis.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/30/24, 07:48:10 AM
From yday's StarTrib...................The Twins made no announcement about their third baseman's condition on Friday, but it appears likely that Lewis will be placed on the injured list before their second game of the season Saturday afternoon. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/30/24, 08:30:19 AM
If it is a quad they will be very very cautious with him. They can go on for months being a problem.

Bad news is he got hurt, good news is they have depth in the infield.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/30/24, 10:01:02 AM
Yeah, it probably means more PT for Farmer & Castro, I would guess. Hey, db, did you know that your favorite Twin of yesteryear ;) :smiley:, Miggy S., made the final cut with the Angels. :rolleyes: Seen part of 1 of their preseason games & thay said he's lost ~ 55-60lbs. :shocked:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/31/24, 07:34:08 AM
Wow, 55-60 lbs is alot for anybody. While it will be good for his long term health it will do nothing to prevent him from flailing away at any slider on the outside. I'm guessing he is nothing more than a pinch hitter / DH at this point so if he gets 300 at bats he will strike out 90 times and hit 12 homeruns and drive in 24.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/31/24, 07:54:29 AM
:scratch: They have him listed at 1b but they said he'd gotten better at laying off the breaking stuff away too. Then he struck out swinging on the 2nd 1 he got :rolleyes:.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/31/24, 04:36:57 PM
Well.....Twins pitchers were throwing batting practice and their hitters left their bats at home today.  :surrender: :surrender:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/31/24, 06:43:17 PM
I checked out when it was 9-0..........in the 2nd inning. What was the final?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/31/24, 08:29:11 PM
11-0
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/31/24, 08:50:45 PM
I made it to the third inning.  10-0
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/01/24, 07:11:37 AM
We don't get BSNOR down here, but I peeked at the box score & it was ugly. :puke:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/02/24, 11:24:08 AM
If it is a quad they will be very very cautious with him. They can go on for months being a problem.

Bad news is he got hurt, good news is they have depth in the infield.
Report: Royce Lewis missing 2 months likely a 'positive outcome' (https://athlonsports.com/mlb/minnesota-twins/inside-twins/news/report-royce-lewis-missing-2-months-likely-a-positive-outcome)

The Twins have said Lewis will miss at least a month and now The Athletic's Aaron Gleeman is saying that if Lewis misses two months it "would likely be viewed as a positive outcome" and that the Twins "need to be prepared to play most or perhaps even all of the first half" without him.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/09/24, 11:33:15 AM
Where is the hitting????

Twins are averaging 2.8 runs per game.

Only team worse in MLB are the White Sox at 1.6 per game.

 :thumbs: :pouty: :thumbs: :pouty: :thumbs: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/09/24, 03:22:17 PM
Leaving lots of guys on base.  At least a few games ago they did.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/09/24, 07:47:14 PM
 :pouty: Way too many strike outs too, 29 & 20 LOB in 2 games last weekend with Cleveland. :doah: It's only early April.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/10/24, 12:17:21 PM
I know its a cliché, BUT...  the games in April count as much as the games in September.   :bonk:

Twins 4 games back 11 games in* ain't a good start.   :doah:


*Guardians are 11 games in, Twinks have 2 games in hand.    :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/10/24, 05:53:26 PM
Guardians lost Bieber and maybe their hopes with him.

Twinks took todays game behind 2 homeruns from Julian and a great relay to nail Ohtani at the plate.

Paddack was good again today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/10/24, 06:46:07 PM
I like the noon Wed game.  It was a fun game. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/10/24, 07:26:05 PM
I'd love to see Paddack go a little deeper but they'll be watching his pitch count real close since he hasn't pitched much in 2 years. Those 5 out of the bullpen that pitched today have been pretty good this season so far. Get away day today as they have 4 in Detroit this weekend, be great to see 'em at least split out there.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/24, 07:43:55 AM
Twins win 2 & Cleveland loses 2, KC now leads the division. Ryan pitched well enough to win but didn't. Correa went on the 10-day yday too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/24, 09:30:22 AM
I was listening to the Tigers feed on XM Radio yesterday and their radio guy Craig Monroe (former player) said those oblique injuries are usually a 4-6 week thing.

Ryan was certainly on his game yesterday with 12 strikeouts. But once again the offense sucked until the 8th inning. 11-5 final score is mis-leading as they scored 7 in the top of the 12th when the Tigers fell apart moreso than the bats coming alive.

But, a sweep is a sweep. But to avoid a series split they have to win today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/24, 09:30:39 AM
Twins got lucky.....playing a 12 inning game and scoring 7 runs in the 12th with only 1 hit. Missing 3 starters. Plus their bullpen shaky with a different closer basically in every game.

Had to call up a starting pitcher for the second game giving him only his second major league game. But some times everything goes right.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/24, 10:03:22 AM
Just shows how winnable this division is. Detroit has some pitching, a very good manager but very little else. They are still saddled with Javy Biaz's contract.

KC will fade as there pitching will falter and their bats will cool off.

Guardians ever without Bieber will be the team to beat. They have just enough hitting and pitching to prevent long slumps.

The White Sux will provide Gold Star entertainment for me all summer as they are a complete disaster.

I'm concerned for Ryan to make it all year without blowing his arm apart and needing Tommy John. Keep your fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/14/24, 10:21:26 AM
I see he threw 96 pitches yday, 70 for strikes. That's a lot for this early. :rolleyes: It looks like he was ahead in the count most of the day too, as he was 18/26 on the 1st pitch. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/24, 10:43:55 AM
The number of pitches is one thing. But they said on the broadcast that he is upto mid 90's now on his fastball. He use to be a 90 or low 90 guy. He also is really pounding  his slider (what they now call a sweeper) and some for of a split finger for his strikeout pitch. Thats alot of torque on the elbow on the off speed pitches along with the force of the fastball.

I hope he holds up but looking around the league these starters are falling like flies.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/24, 01:45:06 PM
Twins Bullpen (7 different pitchers)  Great job yesterday. Even with several on the DL.

Yesterday.....9 innings....4Hits.....0 Earned Runs 10 Strikeouts.

 :toast: :toast: :toast:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/14/24, 05:41:36 PM
Bull pen blew it today for Ober. He had his best start giving up no runs through 7 innings. Then bullpen gave up 4 in the 8th to lose it.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/14/24, 05:58:12 PM
Those are tough games to gag away. Thielbar got charged with 3 of those 4 runs.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/15/24, 07:16:36 AM
 :scratch: Baldelli didn't think the defense had a very good game, either, is what I read. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/15/24, 07:33:27 AM
Correa's injury has officially been changed to a mild right intercostal strain, after he had an MRI. Still listed as on the 10-day IL.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/16/24, 11:01:36 PM
I watched my first game of the season tonight and had a tough time recognizing players in the lineup.

I like Corey Provis on the TV broadcast.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/17/24, 09:20:28 AM
Can tell why Baltimore has one of the best teams in baseball. Good hitting and good pitching. You can see why they won over 100 games last season. Twins right now with all the injuries aren't close.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/17/24, 10:42:27 AM
The Twins 100% healthy aren't on the same plain as Baltimore. All those seasons of 100+ losses and tanking brought them some very good players. Their GM Elias is very good and there manager manages to win games not to play by the numbers.

If I recall Elias came from Houston.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/17/24, 11:58:36 AM
not to mention that Baltimore currently has 3 starting pitchers and two relief pitchers on the DL.  :doah:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/18/24, 10:19:21 AM
The Twins hitters are collectively hitting .196 is the second lowest through 17 games for any American League team in the last 50 years. The lowest is the 2003 Tigers. And that team had the worst record in American League history finishing 43-119. :thumbs:

4 Game losing streak.....but they can't lose today. :happy1:

Because they have the day off.

Sounds like Duran is close to coming back. :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/18/24, 10:26:06 AM
The question are, do they keep blaming injuries?  Do they have the wrong hitting coaches?  Or do they just have guys on the team who can't hit or won't listen to the coaches?

This is two seasons in a row they stumbled out of spring training not hitting.   :undecided:

Jeez...  Maybe I ought to be a Twins Blogger  :rotflmao:

This just in...  :Photography:
Is It Time for the Twins to Shuffle the Coaching Staff?
TwinsDaily.com (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/is-it-time-for-the-twins-to-shuffle-the-coaching-staff-r16023/)

The Minnesota Twins have come out of the gates for the 2024 MLB regular season in about the most lethargic way possible. The lineup has been every bit the problem it was a season ago. It’s time to rip the Band-Aid off and fix the hitting process.

It hasn’t been the pitching that has scuffled out of the gate. With a lineup unable to score runs, failure to execute with runners in scoring position again, and an overall lack of execution, it’s time for the specialty coaches to come under fire.

It was well-documented just how bad the Twins were a season ago when it came to hitting with runners in scoring position. Failing to push runs across the plate is why the team found themselves hovering around .500 at the midway point, and it wasn’t until the Cleveland Guardians completely fell off that the division tilted in Minnesota’s favor.

It can’t continue to be on Lewis or some other hot rookie to prop up this lineup. The Twins' higher-paid, proven veteran talents need to produce. While Carlos Correa was among the best things going before his injury, Byron Buxton owns a 21/1 strikeout-to-walk ratio that would make Miguel Sanó blush. Ryan Jeffers has come on of late, but Edouard Julien has been slow to go, and Kyle Farmer has looked utterly worthless in his expanded role.

Where the Twins turn from here, and if they hire someone with a greater level of experience remains to be seen. The hitting coach triumvirate is not the sole reason for the slow start, but continuing down this path and hoping the slog sorts itself out would be an insufficient way to address the start. It’s time to make a change, in an effort to keep this season from going entirely off the rails. What shape that change takes is up to the front office, but there has to be one.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/18/24, 02:39:07 PM
Duran threw a 25-pitch bullpen session Tuesday & is expected to face live batters tomorrow, but he's listed as on the 15-day IL as of 4/16. So that would make it ~ 2 weeks before he gets in a game. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/18/24, 03:44:41 PM
On the other fishing site I picked the Twins today to win the division by 7 games.

There isn't a dominate team in the central, they are all flawed.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/24, 05:01:11 AM
 Granted it's just the WSox but it's pretty nice to see some life in their bats!! :happy1: Been a while :scratch:..............since we seen 5 homers in 1 game. :cool: Off to LA to play Trout & his buddies..................Ober gets the ball for a 8:38 CDT start.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/26/24, 06:04:09 AM
That was a fun game.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/26/24, 08:53:21 AM
Dingers are a good sign, but they're still not getting any clutch hitting with RISP. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/24, 04:56:48 PM
 :scratch: They were 9-30 w/RISP & scored 14 of their 25 runs with 2 out for the series. That'll win a lot of games. But can they do that against teams with better records? We shall see as after 3 in LA & 3 with WSox in Chicago it's a brutal stretch of Boston, Seattle, Toronto, NYY, & Cleveland. Only 2 days off, 5/2 & 5/13, in there too. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/26/24, 05:27:26 PM
I think the starting pitching is coming along just fine. I anticipate a loss to Detmers but otherwise they should roll right along. Jackson in bullpen doesn't impress me the couple of times i've seen him pitch but maybe he comes around also
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/27/24, 07:41:04 AM
It sounds like Correa could be back by the end of the road trip. :happy1: Jackson went 2 innings & got the W after Lopez's short start against the WSox. Nice win last night, Ober looked great!! :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/27/24, 08:11:11 AM
 :pouty: MEH....... but the Timberwolves are up 3-0 on the suns!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/27/24, 11:25:22 AM
 :tut: Yeah, I know because I watched a lot of the game :rolleyes:................ it was on the same time as the Twins.............so in between innings I checked it out. Caught quite a bit of the 1st 2 at the Target Center too. Ant man is on a mission!!! :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/28/24, 07:37:10 AM
Bats came alive last night.....16-5 final.  :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/24, 07:41:35 AM
Even Farmer's. :happy1: :cool: Paddack struggled though :rolleyes: Lopez goes today @ 3.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/24, 06:55:10 PM
:pouty: MEH....... but the Timberwolves are up 3-0 on the suns!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
They play tonight again...................... :scratch: you gonna be able to stay up & watch em?  :sleazy: :evil:     ;) :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/28/24, 07:03:01 PM
Beat up the Angels again today although Lopez got lit up. He seems to have one bad inning every outing.

Sounds like Correa will be back at some point in the Chicago White Sux series. Maybe that stiff Miranda will go back to St. Paul.  ;)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/28/24, 11:49:21 PM
:pouty: MEH....... but the Timberwolves are up 3-0 on the suns!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
T'wolves make history & sweep the Suns!!! :happybounce: :cheerleader: Did you see it, glenn?  :scratch: I did!!!!!! Bet not, you were probably in bed before 1/2 time  :sleazy: :evil:    ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/29/24, 04:18:24 AM
Yeppers,  I was ni-nite. 3:30 comes early enough.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/29/24, 06:03:22 AM
The Twins are hitting .238 as a team & that's up nearly 60 points from when they were in Baltimore ~ 2 weeks ago. Miranda just went 5-9 in LA & is hitting .292 for the season, his defense is improved too IMO. So, I don't think it'll be an easy decision for Rocco on the roster move that's needed when Correa comes back. Duran & Topa should be back in the bullpen soon too. :scratch: WSox just swept Tampa too, so I think this series will be more competitive.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/29/24, 06:40:59 AM
Did you hear about the lucky Cloverdale Tangy sausage in the dugout?  They each touch it before batting.   :sleazy: Makes me hungry.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: mike89 on April 04/29/24, 06:48:54 AM
that ought to be good eating by now!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on April 04/29/24, 07:06:54 AM
They have had it for a few days.  One of those that don't need to be refrigerated till opened.  Buxton said he doesn't want to touch it and get any fungus.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/29/24, 07:12:00 AM
They were talking about it on the TV yday & Provus & Hawkins knew what it was. But Plouffe was completely clueless so they had their researcher look it up. They had to tell Plouffe that it's smoked meat & didn't need refrigeration, so it wouldn't be completely rancid because he was talking about eating it. :doofus:      ;) :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:
 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119039-video-twins-rocco-baldelli-explains-teams-home-run-sausage-supers
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on April 04/29/24, 08:18:26 AM
I miss Provus on the radio side. He was so smooth and seemless doing a game whereas Attebury wants to use every cliche' ever associated with baseball.

Who I don't miss is Hawkins. Him and Perkins (who was on the radio this weekend) are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

I can't see keeping Miranda when you have Castro to slide over there along with Farmer. Unless of course they release Farmer.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on April 04/29/24, 08:43:05 AM
I hadn't paid attention to the radio broadcast yet and wondered who was doing it.  Attebury was fine as a post-game wrap-up guy, but if he is calling games the same way...  I'm not looking forward to radio games.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/24, 10:02:50 AM
Moving to Minn Wolves thread.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/29/24, 01:03:00 PM
 :scratch: I used to not like listening to Hawkins much either but he's kind of grown on me the last couple seasons. I thought the 3 of 'em had a good show yday, myself. Even when the score got out of hand, they kept me listening with their chatter. Actually, I thought it was pretty funny some of the stuff they got talkin about. :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/24, 05:10:54 PM
Still getting used to not having Dick Bremer after 40 years.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/29/24, 09:43:48 PM
Win over the White Sox.....3-2

8 game winning streak. First since 2011. :cheerleader: :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/30/24, 07:36:49 AM
Duran is s'posed to come off the IL today :happy1: :cool:, Martin optioned to St Paul to make room for Correa. The young guy, Woods Richardson, goes today @ 6:40, again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on April 04/30/24, 09:57:19 PM
Twins win!!!!    Twins Win!!!!   6-5

9 in a row....Duran back as the closer gets the save. :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/01/24, 07:11:00 AM
 :crazy: game................I wasn't so sure they were gonna get it done...................but they found a way.  :cool: :cheerleader:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/24, 07:19:39 AM
I saw a thing last night that of the 12 fastest pitches last year Duran had 11 of them.   :happy1:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/01/24, 07:49:30 AM
Nice comebacks against the White Sux. Kepler continues to roll since coming back from the DL. Twins need to finish the sweep  before heading East. Unfortunately Rocco will run the "B" squad out expecting them to win.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/01/24, 08:49:56 AM
It was good while it lasted.  :pouty:

I watched the end of the Twins game and went to bed.  Woke up in the middle of the night, went downstairs, turned on the TV and saw this...

(https://res.cloudinary.com/graham-media-group/image/upload/f_auto/q_auto/c_thumb,w_700/v1/media/gmg/R3W2KA6UXRD65BCA5EYRDWCQAU.jpg?_a=ATAPphC0)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/24, 08:57:22 AM
I just went and checked mine.  We still have it here.  We are on a regional cable company. Who do you have Steve?  I see Infinity but what is that?  Like Dish?  I read that we should be able to see every game this year but I still wonder.  Just like what happened to you.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/01/24, 09:01:51 AM
I have Comcast (Xfinity)

How Can I Watch the Twins Today? (And Seven Other Questions about the Twins-Bally-Comcast Clustermuck) (https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/how-can-i-watch-the-twins-today-and-seven-other-questions-about-the-twins-bally-comcast-clustermuck-r16106/)

Q: So, how the hell do I watch the Twins on TV?
A: Switch to a cable provider or satellite network provider that Bally Sports North is still on. These include Direct TV or Fubo.

Q: I thought all this garbage was solved in the offseason?
A: There was a different dispute in the offseason. In the offseason, the Twins didn’t have a deal with anyone for their TV rights. They came to an agreement with Diamond Sports Group, who owns the Bally channels. This is different. Now Diamond Sports (Bally) can’t come to an agreement with Comcast to have their television channel on Comcast’s cable package.

Q: Can’t the Twins do anything about this?
A: They have been quick to point out that they can’t, but that conveniently ignores that they voluntarily slapped some big golden handcuffs on themselves. They were in a position to influence this just a couple of months ago, but instead, they took a big wad of money from Bally for their TV rights, giving up control of how it would be brought to consumers. (Then, by the way, they pocketed that money and still decreased the team’s payroll by $30+ million, anyway.)  :angry:

Q: That’s it! I’m cutting the cord! How can I stream the games?
A: You can’t, or at least not if you’re in the Twins’ market. Part of the Twins’ current TV rights deal with Bally includes a provision such that they can’t give streaming rights to be sold in-market. In fact, that provision is one of the reasons they were able to get the deal done with Bally.

If you’re not in the Twins’ market or can trick MLB into thinking you’re not with a VPN (virtual private network) or similar tech wizardry, you can subscribe to MLB TV to watch all the games.

Q: So, I’m just screwed?
A: Either you switch providers, or you hope that two large companies resolve this pretty massive face-off. For what it’s worth, both companies should be feeling a fair amount of pain, too.

It sounds like Bally was getting paid $8-10 per month per subscriber previously from Comcast, so they’re likely losing millions per month in revenue just from the Twin Cities market, and they’re still on the hook for paying the Twins for the TV rights. Meanwhile, Comcast, amidst a challenging environment where more and more people are cutting the cord, just dropped the one reason a big chunk of their market still has cable. Those are subscribers who may never come back.

You can also multiply the pain in those companies by roughly 15. This dispute affects all of Bally’s Sports’ 15 regional sports networks, not just Bally Sports North.

Trouble is, since Bally is in bankruptcy, it don't matter if they get money from Comcast or not.  The wheels have already fallen off, and besides the fans being big losers, all they are doing now is arguing in court about who will recoup pennies on the dollar for all the losses.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: roony on May 05/01/24, 09:10:15 AM
How long can that summer sausage last?
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/24, 09:24:58 AM
The reason I switched to cable was to get the Twins games.  We had Dish so were losing the Twins games. 
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/01/24, 10:47:32 AM
The reason I switched to cable was to get the Twins games.  We had Dish so were losing the Twins games.
You have to follow the part of the story where the Twins front office had a chance to switch to a provider that would be more fan-friendly, but the opted to maximize THEIR profits, slash the payroll, pocket the money, and leave the fans in the cold. 
 :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/01/24, 11:01:30 AM
The reason I switched to cable was to get the Twins games.  We had Dish so were losing the Twins games.

Same thing here......had Dish and couldn't watch them for a season. Dropped that as soon as  my contract ended. Switched to MidCo Cable to watch them.

The Guide here now says "Bally Sports is no longer available." :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/24, 11:07:20 AM
Yup so far so good.  What a way to do business.  I have sort of been reading what I can about it.  They just didn't want anymore companies to have their services.  I think they hoped it would become a big Vegas betting thing that didn't work out for them.  They needed to other companies more than they thought.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/01/24, 11:24:13 AM
Twins could have started their own broadcasts like other MLB teams did this year and this would not be a problem. Instead they decided to stay with Bally for more money even knowing they were in bankruptcy. Thanks a lot Twins. More money over availability. :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/01/24, 11:46:41 AM
I guess its not a mystery why Bally is bankrupt - or Bally's parent company (whatever)...  If you pay to much for the product you sell (broadcast rights) and don't get enough revenue from your customers (media providers), its only a matter of time until you go under.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/01/24, 12:19:46 PM
We have Paul Bunyan here & I just checked, we still have BSNOR, so far. But yday, about 5-10 minutes into the Pre-game show the screen went black. It stayed that way for the start of the game too. It was 1-0 & the bottom of the 3rd before I realized they were back on the air. :confused:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/01/24, 02:57:47 PM
Buxton left todays game in the 2nd inning. Very well could be a pulled or strained leg muscle. My guess as a precaution they dump him on the DL for 10 or 15 days.

As far as the games go you can get them on WCCO radio or if you can't get them go on-line and get Audicy. It's free then click on WCCO to hear the games. Don't be extorted to get Bally on FUBU or Directv or Dish.

Years ago (maybe back in the 80's) Carl tried to start his own company called Victory Sports. He never got it off the ground as he wanted way to much money per subscriber. Minnesota sports fans are loyal but not stupid. Next year I'm guessing MLB will offer the games on a subscription for like $20 a month which will be 2 much. For 6 months+ they will want like $129.99 plus I'm guessing a premium if your team makes the play-offs. Much like drugs and sleazy hoe's just say no.   :sleazy:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/01/24, 03:46:16 PM
Say "no" to boaf o' dem?  :confused: :pouty:

Sorry, if I pay for cable, I ain't paying for separate sports.  If that is the new business model, god bless 'em.  I'm out.  The Twins and/or MLB can be happy getting $2 or $3 or $5 per month from my cable company, or they can be happy getting $0 from me all summer.

Twins, fee free to do whatever maximizes your profits AND/OR energizes your fan base.  You own the team AND your decisions.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/01/24, 03:49:37 PM
If anybody is interested I just posted a article on the Athletic that Hayes wrote regarding Bally vs The Twins. It's posted on IDO.

Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/01/24, 04:13:20 PM
We switched from Dish to the local cable company to get the Twins.  Worked out well.  I won't pay a penny more to get sports on TV.  We love the Vikes but only if I get it on regular TV too. If they want to show me their product to get me to a game or to buy merchandise fine but it better be included in my cable.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/01/24, 04:17:25 PM
well.....the pohlads.................. :doofus: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/01/24, 05:07:50 PM
Twins win again today 10-5. 10 in a row. Of course 7 of them have been against the worst team in MLB. The White Sox.

Couldn't watch it... :pouty: :pouty:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/01/24, 06:23:37 PM
Buxton is to have an MRI on his right knee after being removed from today's game, according to ESPN. He's listed as day-to -day right now but I'd bet that'll change, probably as early as tomorrow. :scratch:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: glenn57 on May 05/01/24, 06:43:46 PM
Buxton is to have an MRI on his right knee after being removed from today's game, according to ESPN. He's listed as day-to -day right now but I'd bet that'll change, probably as early as tomorrow. :scratch:
yea..Dutchy's got the old CHINA DOLL  about all teed up!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/01/24, 08:01:21 PM
Oh Glenn.......why would you say that?  :tut:

China Doll has done well playing this long. It's what almost 30 games? He has 100 at bats, a .250 average, 1 homerun & 11 RBI. I never said anything but I didn't see him making a full season, I hoped he would but history (which I believe in) says he wouldn't. He only has  1 year 2017 where he played most of the season.

I hope this isn't serious and he is back in 10 or 15 days but you never know. Now it's time for the next man up be it Martin or Castro or whoever. They have a chance to show what they can do. In the meantime they have won 10 in a row and it's time for the starters to dominate to keep the streak alive.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/02/24, 06:15:07 AM
With it being a day off today, I wouldn't be too surprised to see that there is no update on Buxton released by the team today. I did, however, read that Royce Lewis will start running next week, so he might be close to coming back.  :scratch: They have him listed as on the 10-day IL as of 4/20.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/02/24, 11:51:09 AM
I was hoping against hope for a quick resolution to this issue, and came across this...  :angry:

Bally Sports announces new DirecTV deal, to Comcast customers' irritation.  Tone deaf? Maybe just a bit (https://www.si.com/mlb/twins/news/bally-sports-announces-new-directv-deal-to-comcast-customers-irritation)

Twins fans who subscribe to Comcast found their irritation growing even more Wednesday afternoon when Bally Sports excitedly announced a contract extension ... with DirecTV.

"We are pleased to announce that we have just reached a multi-year distribution agreement with DirecTV to continue carriage of Bally Sports," the Bally Sports customer support account announced on social media.

For now, Twins fans (and Minnesota Lynx, Minnesota Timberwolves and Minnesota Wild fans) under the Bally Sports North coverage map, can only watch their favorite teams if they're featured on national TV or via Fubo or DirecTV. That's it. There are no other options.

DirecTV STREAM with Bally Sports North costs $123.98 per month. Fubo with Bally Sports North costs $74.99 per month.

Thanks for nothin' (AGAIN), Twins' front office. 
 :pouty: :thumbs: :angry2:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/02/24, 03:08:07 PM
Anyone here have Arvig TV? My brother who lives in Park Rapids has it and he watched the Twins game yesterday. So this article is not true. There are people outside of Comcast that can watch them. Arvig is out of Perham. I am thinking of changing from Mid Continent which is owned by Comcast.

Also nice that Direct TV has them.....BUT you have to sign a 2 year contract to get Direct TV. I'm not sure I really want to do that. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/02/24, 06:52:06 PM
Like I said before, what a way to run a business.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/02/24, 07:23:32 PM
It's ALL about $$$$$

Twins took more money to stay with Bally and then cut the payroll $30 Million.

 :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/03/24, 04:53:03 PM
Twins relief pitcher Matt Bowman was traded to the Diamondbacks Thursday in exchange for cash considerations.

Bowman, a 32-year-old veteran relief pitcher is amidst his best season since 2019. He pitched 7.2 innings in his first season in Minnesota, compiling six strikeouts and a 2.35 ERA.

Arizona sent Minnesota cash considerations to essentially jump the waiver wire, as the Twins were in the process of releasing Bowman because they couldn't assign him to the minors because he is a veteran out of minor-league options.

Necessary to activate Duran from the IR.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/03/24, 05:00:03 PM
The extra $20 is needed to help make-up that Bally's shortage.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Steve-o on May 05/03/24, 05:00:53 PM
Twins...

(https://media.tenor.com/hoi4TNiDww0AAAAM/whose-line-is-it-anyway-colin.gif)
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/04/24, 08:01:30 AM
Dead, alive or just missing they have won 11 in a row. Paddack was dominating last night after escaping a 2nd & 3rd no out jam in the first inning.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: LPS on May 05/05/24, 08:45:11 AM
Just got a text from our Grandson.  He is 12 now.  He is on the way to the Twins game with school.  After the game they all get to meet the team and get autographs and run the bases and stuff.  Would love to see that.  He is a great kid too.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/05/24, 08:47:08 AM
 :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: roony on May 05/05/24, 08:58:59 AM
Love the Twins!
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: KEN W on May 05/05/24, 04:14:53 PM
Winning streak is over.....lost to the Red Sox 9-2. Pitching not there today.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/05/24, 04:36:21 PM
Ryan was fine, bullpen got rocked. Twins loss it in the 2nd ( maybe 3rd) when they had bases loaded with 0 outs and failed to score. You can't do that at home.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/08/24, 07:42:09 AM
Bullpen got knocked around again last night. :rolleyes: Paddack goes tonight, 6:40 again.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/24, 06:57:06 AM
Another good start from Paddack yday, so they've got at least a split. Getaway day today, so it's Lopez @ 12:10.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/09/24, 06:50:37 PM
They score 5 in the 1st, 4 with 2 out, & go on to win 11-1 today. Most important IMO, the bullpen gets it done & Theilbar, Jax , & Duran weren't needed. :cheerleader: Off to Toronto, Ryan gets the start @ 6:07.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: dutchboy on May 05/09/24, 08:09:59 PM
I hope everyone understands the importance of pitching. In this day of swing and miss offense if you can't pitch you're  cooked.
Title: Re: Twins
Post by: Gunner55 on May 05/10/24, 07:01:50 AM
 :happy1: The Twin's pitchers lead MLB with 377 K's & are tied for 6th in Quality Starts with 16. They also are 8th in WHIP, which is Walks & Hits/per Innings Pitched, with 1.20. Plus the bullpen is tied for # 2 in Saves with 13. :cheerleader: