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Title: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/01/22, 09:45:43 AM
I know all countries are trying to keep this war from escalating, but it sure would be nice if Ukraine (or with the help of one of its allies  ;) ) could figure out how to strike back at the heart of Russia.   
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: roony on March 03/01/22, 09:54:47 AM
Putin is the world's #1 terrorist
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/01/22, 10:00:52 AM
I know all countries are trying to keep this war from escalating, but it sure would be nice if Ukraine (or with the help of one of its allies  ;) ) could figure out how to strike back at the heart of Russia.   

There won't be any strikes to Russia. We here in the West don't allow blowing up women & kids unless those women & kids have something we want. The only way this war stops is if the sanctions hurt or you kill enough Russian soldiers. Odds are Russia runs over them in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/01/22, 10:51:50 AM
A lot of people believe the best way to hurt the SOB is if everybody quit buying his oil, but that's not going to happen. :pouty:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/01/22, 01:04:06 PM
Yeah, but if we confiscate their luxury yachts, that'll really get 'em where it hurts.    :bonk:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Pulleye16 on March 03/01/22, 01:42:20 PM
Was it wrong that I had a couple White Russians the day Russia attack??? Oops.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: mike89 on March 03/01/22, 01:51:17 PM
white russians; black russians, tomatoe tamatoe....   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/02/22, 10:55:32 AM
I just read an alarming stat~

If Putin doesn't take out the Ukraine president or he doesn't agree to putys demands we are going to have to whack the ukraine leader in order to prevent nuclear war. We're at defcon level 2, we have only been at level 2 once that was 1962 during the cuban missle crisis. Not even 9/11 raised it past level 3. Food for thought. Its getting ugly.

Not sure if this is the answer or agree but putin seems hell bent on land grabs,he/russia is doing what they do best,annihilating as they roll,indiscrimate killing and carnage of innocent lives,agreed with above statement days away from russia's complete take over of ukraine,then what country is next?,NATO is on point and gearing up for putins next move.Russia has 80% of they're military in ukraine now and ill perpared as they move forward, lack of fuel/food for troops,puts a damper on things.,news keeps showing pics of this russian 40mile truck/tank convoy,in war this sure resembles a target rich environment,yet nothing is hit,makes me wonder what's really goining on.

I question how long the world will sit idle as putin continues to kill the innocent?
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/02/22, 11:09:35 AM
That is exactly what I was thinking.  You hit the nail on the head.  How long will the rest of the world wait?

Yeah, that supply line looks like a juicy target, but who pull the trigger to attack it?

U.S. via drones and cruise missiles?  If so, does that mean that all of the U.S. is open to be attacked by Putin/Russia?

Same for NATO.  Whoever helps first becomes Putin's next target.

This is exactly what Hitler did in WWII. 

(https://www.quotemaster.org/images/ee/ee2a9b3fb880f8095bea19e623f18709.png)
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/02/22, 11:20:29 AM
I've also read that alot of the rusky's troops are very young and inexperienced. Some are puncturing there own gas tanks and volunteering to surrender to Ukraine. Ukraine is also contacting the rusky's parents to come get there kids

Me thinks there is dessent amoungst the rusky's!👍
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/02/22, 11:50:53 AM
I've also read that alot of the rusky's troops are very young and inexperienced. Some are puncturing there own gas tanks and volunteering to surrender to Ukraine. Ukraine is also contacting the rusky's parents to come get there kids

Me thinks there is dessent amoungst the rusky's!👍

Gotta take all this information with a grain of salt,both sides are rolling out propaganda,gotta admitt it's dishearting watching the russians indiscriminate shelling of ukraines neighborhoods,beautiful stone buildings,schools,hospitals etc.blood bath,now talk of russian war crimes,acts against geneva convention's ethic's in war.If the butcher of moscow get's backed into a corner he might be just be unstable enough to use nukes,then we all lose,no winners,

With the world against this invasion,even putins own country folks protesting,will putin be assassinated?we can only hope.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/02/22, 01:13:39 PM
So recent news scroll,"russian million" aire just put a million $bounty on putins head...who knows if this is true? but encouraging.

Here we go,putin is repeating how WWII started,if only someone would've taken hitler out before he started it.

More from ukraine freedom fighters,telling of russians young soldiers disobeying moscow orders to shell villages,giving up to freedom fighters who feed them as they haven't had food in days.

Again how truthful is this? as the word spreads amongst russian troops it's a hellofa ploy to demoalize invading troops.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/02/22, 01:51:52 PM
Russians have air superiority in the skys of Ukraine. Thats why the convoy is intact. NATO hasn't been asked to send troops and until a NATO country is attacked they won't. Putin is completely in control and will remain so. Nobody inside Russia will chance taking him out and failing.

Sad as it is, Putin will run over Ukraine and the world will watch.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/03/22, 06:55:48 AM
I hope the rumors that snow mentioned are true, but I think Dutch has it right.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/03/22, 09:13:20 AM
I'm on the fence about russian air superiority,but all the back and forth who is doing what to whom...

ukraine claims they're ace in the sky they refer to as the "Ghost" has shot down 6 russian mig's in his mig 29...further our stingers anti aircraft missiles has been very efective on russian gunships meaning russia does not own the air space,further our military intel shows russia can't fight at night....but who knows fact from fiction during war?Video's of russian troopers giving up look athentic just to be fed by the ukrainins.



Whatever the case,the russian endless bombardment on ukrainian cities and villages,is heart breaking.Putin has really screwed the pooch on this invasion,the world is totally against him,if he suceeds what country is next? he'll bob n weave making the west think he'll keep pushing west,but then he'll bump heads with nato countries and a real shete show,so he might bite off a smaller country like slovakia or?,bottomline putin needs to be out on ice.

Further~
Is anyone else laughing at the outdated technology and ineptitude of Russia's military? I mean Putin should be embarrassed. Seriously this is the supposed super power supposed to be on our level? Watching their dilapidated tanks and APC's stalling on highways is  hilarious. Wonder how effective their nuclear weapons really are to be honest. If this was supposed to show the world how powerful they can be talk about a epic failure
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/03/22, 09:26:20 AM
I'll just say this. If the Ukraine had anything going in the air they would be tearing apart that convoy. It's barely been moving.

Interesting that you don't hardly seeing any news outlets using interpreters. Seems most everyone speaks pretty good English. Also was mentioned that the civilian causality's went from 200 something to over 6,000 overnight. They must have brought the same crew that counted in Viet Nam in to count in Ukraine.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/03/22, 12:07:58 PM
Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began (https://www.foxnews.com/world/zelenskyy-joe-biden-pity-support-came-after-russia-invaded)

Zelenskyy:   "We have good contact," when asked about his communications with Biden and if the U.S. waited too long to give Ukraine support.

"I can tell you the truth. It’s a pity it began after the beginning of this war, but we have it. My appreciation to him and to his team. So we can speak now often," Zelenskyy added.

"The question is not about Biden, it's more about indecisiveness of the world," Zelenskyy added, according to a translation.

The Ukrainian leader continued, adding that the "whole world is late with Ukraine."
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/03/22, 01:12:52 PM
Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began (https://www.foxnews.com/world/zelenskyy-joe-biden-pity-support-came-after-russia-invaded)

Zelenskyy:   "We have good contact," when asked about his communications with Biden and if the U.S. waited too long to give Ukraine support.

"I can tell you the truth. It’s a pity it began after the beginning of this war, but we have it. My appreciation to him and to his team. So we can speak now often," Zelenskyy added.

"The question is not about Biden, it's more about indecisiveness of the world," Zelenskyy added, according to a translation.

The Ukrainian leader continued, adding that the "whole world is late with Ukraine."


I just don't under stand how he didn't know that Russians wouldn't be back someday and have prepared militarily for it with some air and heavy tank weapons?  :confused:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/03/22, 02:15:17 PM
Zelenskyy says it's a 'pity' US support came 'after' Russian war began (https://www.foxnews.com/world/zelenskyy-joe-biden-pity-support-came-after-russia-invaded)

Zelenskyy:   "We have good contact," when asked about his communications with Biden and if the U.S. waited too long to give Ukraine support.

"I can tell you the truth. It’s a pity it began after the beginning of this war, but we have it. My appreciation to him and to his team. So we can speak now often," Zelenskyy added.

"The question is not about Biden, it's more about indecisiveness of the world," Zelenskyy added, according to a translation.

The Ukrainian leader continued, adding that the "whole world is late with Ukraine."


I just don't under stand how he didn't know that Russians wouldn't be back someday and have prepared militarily for it with some air and heavy tank weapons?  :confused:

I think they did, but still... when you are attacked by an overwhelming force - and the build-up had been going on for months - it would have been nice for the rest of the world to step up sooner with preemptive material and effective sanction support.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/03/22, 02:57:45 PM
We have to remember the "perception" of the war is more important than the "reality" of the war for everybody except Ukraine.

Russia had to be seen as the villian at all costs. It's why on the nightly news you see the horrors of what Russia is doing vs how the Ukrainians are fighting back.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: roony on March 03/03/22, 03:12:54 PM
No, They are the villain. More precisely. Putin is the villain. So was Hitler. Case closed.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/03/22, 03:21:37 PM
No, They are the villain. More precisely. Putin is the villain. So was Hitler. Case closed.
X2!!
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/03/22, 07:24:05 PM
What are the possible outcomes?

It doesn't matter what happens next, this IS World War III.  Regardless of what happens to Ukraine, all of the other former Soviet Block countries are going to be looking to NATO, Europe, and the U.S. for help in defending themselves against Russia - and they should get it.  The sooner, the better.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: roony on March 03/03/22, 07:47:31 PM
Now they are shelling a nuclear power plant and preventing the Ukrainians from fighting the fire.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/03/22, 10:35:55 PM
What are the possible outcomes?

  • Russia wins and occupies Ukraine and we wait for his next move.
  • Russia wins, but get gets bogged down in endless resistance.  He seeks to negotiate a treaty where he gets to keep the territory and resources he wants.
  • Russia loses and is forced to retreat across their border.
It doesn't matter what happens next, this IS World War III.  Regardless of what happens to Ukraine, all of the other former Soviet Block countries are going to be looking to NATO, Europe, and the U.S. for help in defending themselves against Russia - and they should get it.  The sooner, the better.
:scratch: This would be the best case scenario IMO.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/putin-bounty-arrest/
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/04/22, 06:53:44 AM
Agreed pretty sure many other countries concure,putin needs to be whacked,hopefully by his own inner circle.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/04/22, 08:10:56 AM
Isn't it amazing how Strongman Dictators can consolidate power and encircle themselves with impenetrable security?  I guess that's why they are called 'Strongman.'   :confused:

And I'm not at all fooled by that picture of Putin at the end of a 30 foot table by himself talking to other leaders.  People claim he is off-his-rocker paranoid and unstable.

I don't think he is.  I think this is the image he wants to portray to the rest of the world right now - that he is unstable and capable of anything.  He is still smart like a fox and has a definite end game in mind. 

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/28/23/54764727-10560335-The_move_comes_as_an_image_was_released_of_Russian_President_Vla-a-72_1646089470314.jpg)

(But he does look the part of a James Bond movie villain - and he knows it too.  I'll bet he's got a bazooka under that table aimed at those guys right now.  ;) )
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/04/22, 08:14:09 AM
From rumor to reality....hope so anyway,the wealthy russian business folks are already feeling the pain from sanctions and are ralling against putin to end this slaughter.

Quote;

Russian billionaire and investor Alex Konanykhin, who is now based in the U.S., has called on Russian military officers to arrest Putin as a war criminal. The reward is one million dollars
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/04/22, 08:20:46 AM
Russian billionaire and investor Alex Konanykhin, who is now based in the U.S., has called on Russian military officers to arrest Putin as a war criminal. The reward is one million dollars

I hope $1M buys more in Russia than it does here.  That isn't a lot of money to split between those Russian Military Officer lads to risk their lives and end up dead if they fail.

But it is a bold move by Konanykhin.  Putin is ex-KGB, and they have ways of punishing disloyal citizens abroad.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/04/22, 08:32:04 AM
 :scratch: Looks like it been going on for awhile too. :doah: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-kgbs-poison-factory-boris-volodarsky/1111416746
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/04/22, 09:17:06 AM
Russian billionaire and investor Alex Konanykhin, who is now based in the U.S., has called on Russian military officers to arrest Putin as a war criminal. The reward is one million dollars

I hope $1M buys more in Russia than it does here.  That isn't a lot of money to split between those Russian Military Officer lads to risk their lives and end up dead if they fail.

But it is a bold move by Konanykhin.  Putin is ex-KGB, and they have ways of punishing disloyal citizens abroad.

Agreed,hopefully this bounty is just a start,get these rich russian mafia guyz riled up,we might see 10-20 million $$.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Dotch on March 03/04/22, 10:07:56 AM
Reading up on the rat, during his KGB employment he also had close ties or involvement with the Stasi in E. Germany. Fun bunch of folks. Seems to have a rather high opinion of himself and wants others to know about it (shirtless horseback riding, over assessment of his martial arts skills, etc., etc.) The guy's goin' on 70 years old for crissake! At a diminutive 5' 7" tall, he appears to have the consummate little man syndrome or Napoleon complex. Definitely someone the planet would be better off without given his track record.   
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: fishwidow on March 03/04/22, 10:44:05 AM
He’s also scored 8, 9, and even 10 goals playing hockey against professional players. This from a guy who didn’t take up the sport until around age 60.  A little pressure on the opposing goalie to avoid getting sent to a gulag?
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/04/22, 12:02:32 PM
It doesn't matter what happens next, this IS World War III.  Regardless of what happens to Ukraine, all of the other former Soviet Block countries are going to be looking to NATO, Europe, and the U.S. for help in defending themselves against Russia - and they should get it.  The sooner, the better.

So much for NATO helping out.   :angry:

NATO rules out Ukraine no-fly zone: 'Painful decision' (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nato-rules-out-ukraine-no-fly-zone)

NATO nations will not impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine, despite pleas from some in Ukraine.

Secretary Jens Stoltenberg called it a "painful decision," saying that NATO has a responsibility not to escalate the conflict by engaging Russian forces directly in Ukraine, either on the ground or in the air.

Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/05/22, 08:09:01 AM
It's now a "Special Military Operation" or face 15 years if you're 1 of his minions. :crazy: :thumbs: :doofus:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/05/22, 09:40:03 AM
i read now where putin thinks the rest of the world should carry on as usual with normal business things..........  :pouty: :doofus:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/10/22, 04:00:08 PM
One of world's deadliest snipers leaves home in Canada to fight in Ukraine: 'I have to help' (https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-sniper-arrives-ukraine-fight-russians)

A former Canadian soldier known as one of the world’s deadliest snipers arrived to Ukraine to help the nation defend itself from Russia.

"I want to help them. It's as simple as that," the Canadian man, only identified as Wali to protect his family’s safety, told CBC. "I have to help because there are people here being bombarded just because they want to be European and not Russian."
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: LPS on March 03/10/22, 04:02:02 PM
I hope he veers off course and takes out Putin.  I would send money to his family.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/10/22, 04:23:19 PM
May the Lord keep him safe and his sights sharp.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/10/22, 06:21:44 PM
One of world's deadliest snipers leaves home in Canada to fight in Ukraine: 'I have to help' (https://www.foxnews.com/world/canadian-sniper-arrives-ukraine-fight-russians)

A former Canadian soldier known as one of the world’s deadliest snipers arrived to Ukraine to help the nation defend itself from Russia.

"I want to help them. It's as simple as that," the Canadian man, only identified as Wali to protect his family’s safety, told CBC. "I have to help because there are people here being bombarded just because they want to be European and not Russian."

 
One man is not Superman.  It seems odd to make a big public publicity deal out of who you are and that your the best in the world.  :scratch:
He might be the best shot but the smartest sniper would sneak in, do the job and get out without advertising his appearance!

He's just putting a price on his head.  :doofus:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/10/22, 06:26:58 PM
I doubt he thinks he can win the war himself. But he isn't sitting on a keyboard talking about it either. I commend anybody with the stones to voluntarily go and possibly get killed to help people 1000's of miles away.

Stay safe young man.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/10/22, 07:32:17 PM
I doubt he thinks he can win the war himself. But he isn't sitting on a keyboard talking about it either. I commend anybody with the stones to voluntarily go and possibly get killed to help people 1000's of miles away.

Stay safe young man.

Yes hopefully Wali the 40 year old computer programmer is still in shape enough to stay alive.  :happy1:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Boar on March 03/10/22, 07:59:24 PM
The fear of a sniper is enough to hault any movement. Now if you had a platoon of snipers...
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/10/22, 08:38:57 PM
 :scratch: so with parts of the world sanctioning Russia or refusing to do business with them. Now Russia it threatening to do the same???

Who's Ganna hurt who worse??? :scratch:

Think I'll go get a bowl of ice cream. :sleazy: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Boar on March 03/10/22, 09:52:51 PM
Hey were did covid go????
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/11/22, 06:41:01 AM
Hey were did covid go????

EXACTLY  Boar,and doctor death,fauci....nary a word from him lately.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/11/22, 06:57:09 AM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/11/22, 09:54:35 AM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
:banghead: :banghead: yea, unfortunately i think you might be right!!!!!!!  :pouty:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Dotch on March 03/11/22, 10:04:31 AM
Heard they found another variant just getting started so that should be ready by then... :coffee:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/11/22, 10:16:20 AM
 :pouty:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/11/22, 10:17:26 AM
 :angry2: yea anything to keep it rolling......jerkoffs!!!!!!!! :doah: :confused:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/11/22, 10:20:43 AM
Heard they found another variant just getting started so that should be ready by then... :coffee:

From what I can gather it's called the BP variant. It's starts behind your eyelids so you look asleep and incoherent most of the time, similar to how Biden looks (B) Once infected you look like Pelosi (P) with a bad face lift.

J&J is working on a jab, it will be 50% Nodoze, 50% Botox.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/11/22, 10:21:50 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: snow1 on March 03/11/22, 10:28:09 AM
Heard they found another variant just getting started so that should be ready by then... :coffee:

Agreed Dotch,I was wondering when we would hear about another variant when our ppl came back from bejing...

This new strain should be rolling hot n heavy by the mid terms so the lefties can control the november votes like november 2020.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: roony on March 03/11/22, 10:57:50 AM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
Guess I must have missed something. What election was a couple months ago when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were extremely high. Oh wait, I forgot facts dont matter if they don't fit your narrative.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Dotch on March 03/11/22, 11:46:11 AM
We elected a new dogcatcher in Bugtussle... :coffee:
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/11/22, 02:06:03 PM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
Guess I must have missed something. What election was a couple months ago when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were extremely high. Oh wait, I forgot facts dont matter if they don't fit your narrative.
Oh come on. It was tongue in cheek there Roony.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/11/22, 03:16:47 PM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
Guess I must have missed something. What election was a couple months ago when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were extremely high. Oh wait, I forgot facts dont matter if they don't fit your narrative.
Oh come on. It was tongue in cheek there Roony.

It will be back. Right now the MSM News orgs have a full docket with more important things like the Jussie Smollett sentencing, Biden's rating going up .005% since the mumble of the Union address and Ukraine.   ;)
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: roony on March 03/11/22, 03:29:07 PM
Hey were did covid go????
They are keeping it on hold until we get closer to the midterm elections.
Guess I must have missed something. What election was a couple months ago when cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were extremely high. Oh wait, I forgot facts dont matter if they don't fit your narrative.
Oh come on. It was tongue in cheek there Roony.
Yeah, me too.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/14/22, 02:15:18 PM
Vista Outdoor to Donate 1 Million Rounds of Ammunition to Ukraine/ (https://www.fieldandstream.com/guns/vista-outdoor-donates-ammo-rounds-ukraine/)

On top of the ammo donation, Remington and Federal will sell special edition t-shirts on their websites emblazoned with the Ukrainian colors and President Zelenskyy’s now-famous quote: “I need ammo, not a ride.” The company has pledged all profits from the shirt sales to refugees involved in the crisis through the Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund.

(https://www.fieldandstream.com/uploads/2022/03/08/vista-ukraine-tshirt.jpeg)