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« Last Edit: March 03/17/20, 06:52:15 PM by Lee Borgersen »
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O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:

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O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:

 :doah: Reb! :rolleyes: :tut:

Dis does not imply anyting sexual :rotflmao:
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Oh yippee I get some of my money back they took from me!!🥴🥴 :doofus: I'll believe it when it cashes.
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Just borrowing more money from our grandkids.

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Dis plan is not as sophisticated as Obummer's brilliant "Cash fur Clunkers" program! :happy1: :crazy:

 :rotflmao: .......
Now dat's when we had a real leader runnin da country. :bow:
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they better save it for the pandemic!!! 
a bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work!!

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Gee I think cash for clunkers is a great idea. I'd like to trade in a used but not abused '97 Pontiac Montana soccer mom van. Good little livestock hauler... :rotflmao:
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Dis plan is not as sophisticated as Obummer's brilliant "Cash fur Clunkers" program! :happy1: :crazy:

 :rotflmao: .......
Now dat's when we had a real leader runnin da country. :bow:
that's probably where Donny big got the idea. We know he isn't smart enough to think of it by himself  :sleazy: :tut: :rotflmao:
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Really don't matter who is doing it, all these something for nothing programs ate at the expense of future generations. Talk about Socialism!

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O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:

 :doah: Reb! :rolleyes: :tut:

Dis does not imply anyting sexual :rotflmao:

O phoo......"they'' say sex makes this whole thing better! And if they're gonna pay for it.... :happybounce:

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I've been tryin ta  :coffee: between da lines on dis :scratch: Many are already tryin ta plan what der gunna do wit da extra cash :doah: First off I'd like ta know exactly who's gunna qualify ta receive a stimulus check.

Waitin ta see da guidelines ta who's gunna qualify  :confused: Is dis fur per family, Individuals, Only poor, People dat's unemployed, Hard work-in tax payers, Folks wit no income. So many categories! :doofus:

 :tut: "Don't spend yer check before ya get one!" :tut:

If anyone Knows what da exact eligability guidlines are please post dem here!  :scratch:

Seems dat da only clear statement so far is It depends on yer income! :angry2:
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$1,000 per person as in working age adult I think.  I remember back in the late 80's either Arnie or Perpich sent out checks due to a glut of money in the state.  I think Jessie did too.  I believe I got about $140.  That was a nice chunk of jing.  So now it is "Uncle Donny" to us Glenn. 

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So LPS us that are retired have to go get a job to get it??!!???   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
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a bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work!!

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Hope we don't haveta join a union too!  :rotflmao:
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Hope we don't haveta join a union too!  :rotflmao:
that be just the cost to join!!!!!!!! :mooning: :mooning: :mooning: :happy1:
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You need to talk to my buddy in the food program at the school system. Let's just say he's not real happy with theirs since he hasta go in to get paid, but if the teachers don't, they still get paid....but they have a different union.
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I thought the gov said school districts were to keep everyone on the payroll

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He and a couple of his staff have to go in and make the food for the kids that do the low-income bfast thing, but he and the para's only get paid if rhey come in. He's in tomorrow at 5:30 am to make 1,000 muffins and and the same number of pieces of fruit for the kids/parents to come and pick up....that's the way he explained it to me this afternoon. He also has to keep doing the ingredient/food orders until further notice. Really ticked because the para's and he have too physically be there, but the teachers don't. But, like he said, that's a different union. The food budget is also a separate entity from the school systems, and they are even running in the black, yet no pay. I'm only repeating what he said.
He's been the supervisor of it for about 20 years.
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he management and that is most likely why he's doing what has to be done.... 
a bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work!!

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I thought the gov said school districts were to keep everyone on the payroll

Clarification Roon, my bad...he actually just called. He and the para's only get paid if they physically report, which they HAVE to do (He does) but the teachers do NOT have to report, and they'll still get paid. Made sure I had that right. It's this entire low-income food program thing to feed low-income kids one meal thats the reason they have to go in.

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So LPS us that are retired have to go get a job to get it??!!???   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really!!  Hey we are stressed as much as anyone aren't we? 

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Latest update as da beat goes on & on & on :confused:

3/20/20

 :reporter; ....

GOP opposition emerges to direct payments to Americans, key plank of rescue plan
The centerpiece of the plan -- building upon a proposal revealed Wednesday by the Treasury department -- would be some $500 billion sent to Americans in the form of checks.

Written By: The Washington Post |  Mar 19th 2020 - 9pm.




 
 




WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., released a massive economic stimulus bill Thursday to fight the coronavirus's fallout, even as opposition emerged from some key Republicans to one of the central elements of the plan - direct cashpayments to many Americans.




Some conservatives expressed opposition to these cash payments entirely, while others warned that GOP leaders were effectively penalizing low-income households by the way they had designed the plan.

President Donald Trump has expressed support for the cash payment approach in recent days, but he has also shifted between numerous ideas amid waves of opposition.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a close ally of the president's, was among several GOP senators voicing concern or outright opposition Thursday to the idea of direct payments, even as McConnell unveiled the trillion-dollar stimulus plan that would be the startingpoint for negotiations with Democrats. McConnell called for those talks to start Friday, and senators said the situation was so dire that they should not recess until they have reached a deal to pass it.

"We are facing the abyss," said Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. "We are facing circumstances for which there is no playbook."










 



A number of economists have predicted that the U.S. economy is plunging into a recession and that the unemployment rate could soar because many Americans are staying home out of fear of catching the virus. Many businesses are struggling to pay their billsand are laying off workers. The travel industry has been hit particularly hard, but more and more companies are now raising the alarm.

The centerpiece of the Senate GOP plan - building on a proposal revealed Wednesday by the Treasury Department - would be hundreds of billions of dollars sent to Americans in the form of checks as a way to flood the country with money in an effort to bluntthe dramatic pullback of spending that has resulted from the coronavirus outbreak.

The legislation would provide checks of $1,200 per adult for many families, as well as $500 for every child in those families. Families filing jointly would receive up to $2,400 for the adults. The size of the checks would diminish for those earning morethan $75,000 and phase out completely for those earning more than $99,000. The poorest families, those with no federal income tax liability, would see smaller benefits, though the minimum would be set at $600.

Limiting the payment amount for those without federal tax liability was a change from the original White House proposal, and caught some Republicans off-guard, provoking criticism. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., tweeted: "Relief to families in this emergency shouldn'tbe regressive. Lower income families shouldn't be penalized."

An early analysis showed the vast majority of middle class people would receive the cash payment, but the percentage doing so falls dramatically toward the bottom of the income distribution. About 22 million people earning under $40,000 a year would seeno benefit under the GOP plan, according to an initial analysis by Ernie Tedeschi, a former Obama administration economist.





The precise design of the payments had remained fluid as talks on Capitol Hill continued, with lawmakers racing to finalize the legislation. The emerging opposition to the direct payments underscored that key elements of the plan could be very much subjectto change - especially since it still must be negotiated with Democrats in both chambers of Congress.

As the administration tries to get ahead of the cascading impacts of the coronavirus, Trump already shifted course once this week, abandoning for now a proposed payroll tax cut in favor of the direct payments, which he said could have a faster impact. Someof his allies, though, are not convinced.

"Direct payments make sense when an economy is beginning to restart. Makes no sense now, because it's just money. What I want is income, not one check. I want you to get a check you count on every week, not one week," Graham told reporters, adding that hewas about to speak with newly named White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to share his views.

Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby, R-Ala., also voiced opposition to direct cash payments.

"I personally think that if we are going to help people, we ought to direct the cash payments maybe as a supplement to unemployment, not to the people that are still working every day," Shelby said. "You know, just a blanket cash check to everybody in Americathat's making up to $75,000, I don't know the logic of that."





Often, congressional leaders will try to get broad support for legislation before introducing it, but many are now rushing to complete a bill, given the growing fears about the economy's downward trajectory.

Still, the newly voiced opposition to cash payments added to uncertainty about how quickly Congress would be able to finalize the giant stimulus plan that all parties agree is needed as the coronavirus overtakes American life and the economy. Democrats wereworking on their own proposals, which shun corporate loan programs being included by Republicans - such as $50 billion for airlines - suggesting that there will be difficulty in reaching bipartisan agreement.

Meanwhile the crisis is worsening. Confirmed covid-19 cases in the United States rose past 11,000 on Thursday - including two members of the House, Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., and Ben McAdams, D-Utah, bringing the crisis closer to home for lawmakers.

And the details of the big stimulus package keep changing. Trump himself embraced another idea, saying he supports having the federal government take equity stakes in private companies that receive coronavirus bailout funds.

Trump made the comment in response to a question at a briefing of his coronavirus response team, and suggested that different companies could be treated differently on the basis of past behavior. For example, Trump said that companies that have been usingexcess cash to buy back their stock in recent years - effectively boosting their stock prices instead of investing in new equipment - might be treated more harshly than others.

"I do, I really do," Trump said, asked whether he would like to see the federal government take a stake in private companies. The federal government took equity stakes, effectively a type of ownership position, in certain companies that were bailed out duringthe financial crisis in 2008 and 2009. It's a way of protecting taxpayer investments in firms and ensuring that taxpayers potentially benefit when a company recovers. But the approach is controversial because it essentially involves partial government ownershipof private companies.

Questions about how this would work have grown in recent days as more companies and industries plead with the White House and Congress for large amounts of assistance as their operations have been disrupted in recent weeks.

"People are coming in for money. In some cases, no fault of their own," Trump said, adding that "in some cases, where they did certain things over the course of the years, including by buying back stock, you know, they bought back stock and they paid a highprice for it. ... But maybe I view that as a little bit differently than somebody that didn't and somebody that built plants all over the United States."

The legislation McConnell released Thursday was based on what he called four "pillars" - payments to small businesses, direct cash payments to individuals, loans to industries decimated by the virus, and a surge in funding to the health-care industry.

The small-business section, which Rubio led, offers loans to small businesses with under 500 employees. The $300 billion for the loans would be made available through lenders certified by the Small Business Administration, such as banks and credit unions,with the maximum loan capped at $10 million. The portion of the loan used by the small businesses to cover their payrolls could be forgiven if firms retain their employees through the end of June 30, 2020. Loans given to firms with tipped employees, such asbars and restaurants, could be forgiven if they are used to provide additional wages to their employees.

The bill also outlines in greater detail the terms for receiving targeted federal help from the federal government, as proposed earlier by the Trump administration. The legislation includes $50 billion in "loans and loan guarantees" for passenger airlines;$8 billion for "cargo air carriers"; and $150 billion for other "eligible businesses," a category administration officials have suggested could include the hotel and cruise industries. The legislation appears to give the Treasury Department wide authorityin determining which businesses qualify for this $150 billion fund.

Democrats have demanded that any firms receiving bailout funding implement reforms such as a $15 minimum wage and an end to stock buybacks. The GOP legislation says that no "officer or employee" of a firm receiving an emergency loan can receive compensationabove $425,000 until after March 1, 2022.

"We're not talking about so-called bailouts for firms that made reckless decisions," McConnell said. "None of these firms, not corner stores, not pizza parlors, not airlines, brought this on themselves. We're not talking about a taxpayer-funded cushion forcompanies that made mistakes. We're talking about loans which must be repaid."

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., has offered his own plan, which skews more toward workers than corporations. And House Democrats, wary of being sidelined as the stimulus bill is negotiated between the White House and Senate Republicans, aretrying to assert their power by proposing their own sweeping coronavirus economic rescue package in the coming days.

Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a joint statement Thursday that Democrats were "united in our commitment" prioritize worker and health care concerns.

"That means taking bold action to help workers and small businesses first by greatly increasing unemployment insurance and Medicaid, making massive investments to help small businesses survive, expanding paid sick and family leave, and putting money directlyinto the hands of those who need it most," they said.

On a conference calls of Democratic lawmakers Thursday, House committee chairs outlined a litany of legislative proposals -- though the fine details were far from resolved and Pelosi offered no firm deadline to finalize a unified rescue plan.

On cash payments, for instance, House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., and Financial Services Committee Chairwoman Maxine Waters, D-Calif., have outlined dueling proposals, while other Democrats have focused on beefing up existing safety netprograms - such as unemployment insurance and Medicaid - as providing more targeted and effective relief.

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 :reporter;
The Washington Post's Seung Min Kim contributed to this report.

This article was written by Jeff Stein, Mike DeBonis, Erica Werner and Paul Kane, reporters for The Washington Post.
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I'll prolly get a ticket for a free meal at a restaurant .....:and they'll still be closed.
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Maybe we'll get stickers too like we do for DNR stuff here in MN...  :rolleyes:
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And a punch card like up at Charlie's!   ;)

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The last I read is that a couple earning less than $99,000 a year will get $2,400 and $500 per child.  I think the single was under $75,000 but don't quote me on that. 

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Anything over send to me.

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I'll prolly get a ticket for a free meal at a restaurant .....:and they'll still be closed.
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