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Hunting Forums => Hunting News => Topic started by: HD on February 02/28/18, 05:50:05 PM
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What do you think?
We at DICK'S Sporting Goods are deeply disturbed and saddened by the tragic events in Parkland. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and their loved ones.
But thoughts and prayers are not enough. We have to help solve the problem that's in front of us. Gun violence is an epidemic that's taking the lives of too many people, including the brightest hope for the future of America - our kids.
We deeply believe that this country's most precious gift is our children. They are our future. We must keep them safe.
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No comment...can still be drafted, go fight...but can't legally buy a gun. Holy 1969 again... :doah:
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No comment...can still be drafted, go fight...but can't legally buy a gun. Holy 1969 again... :doah:
or drink a beer legally.......... been there done it...........
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Who cares all they sell is Yoga pants and Golf clubs. Never go in the place anymore. :coffee:
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"If yer a Richard, go to Dick's"... :rotflmao:
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Who cares all they sell is Yoga pants and Golf clubs. Never go in the place anymore. :coffee:
How do you know that? :confused: :whistling:
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Who cares all they sell is Yoga pants and Golf clubs. Never go in the place anymore. :coffee:
How do you know that? :confused: :whistling:
Did you miss something? See Bold above :doofus:
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Who cares all they sell is Yoga pants and Golf clubs. Never go in the place anymore. :coffee:
How do you know that? :confused: :whistling:
Did you miss something? See Bold above :doofus:
Nope.
ANYMORE: an·y·more
ˌenēˈmôr/Submit
adverb
to any further extent; no longer.
"she refused to listen anymore" :doofus:
Figgered ya meant when ya USED to go in there for yoga pants and clubs.... ;)
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Who cares all they sell is Yoga pants and Golf clubs. Never go in the place anymore. :coffee:
This decision also impacts Field and Stream stores that are just like Gander Mountain all over the Eastern United States.
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This decision also impacts Field and Stream stores that are just like Gander Mountain all over the Eastern United States.
And Field and Stream - the store - has nothing to do with Field and Stream - the magazine.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/field-and-stream-is-not-affiliated-with-dicks-sporting-goods (https://www.fieldandstream.com/field-and-stream-is-not-affiliated-with-dicks-sporting-goods)
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No comment...can still be drafted, go fight...but can't legally buy a gun. Holy 1969 again... :doah:
If Dick decides not to sell "Assault" weapons, that is his prerogative, and I have no problems with his decision.
But to refuse to sell guns or ammunition to people under 21 - where there is no law preventing it - sounds like discrimination to me. Where is the ACLU when you need them?!?
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There's currently no law against selling "assault weapons" either. Especially since there is no designated law defining "assault weapon". It's their choice either way in both cases.
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There's currently no law against selling "assault weapons" either. Especially since there is no designated law defining "assault weapon". It's their choice in both cases.
I'm not so sure. If I choose not to sell Snickers in my candy store, that is my choice. If I choose not to sell a gun to a Muslim or minority in my gun store - that is discrimination - and the ACLU would be all over me. Why is it different for 21 year-olds?
Please let me know if there are laws in place that allow stores to refuse to sell to law-abiding people because they don't want to.
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There's currently no law against selling "assault weapons" either. Especially since there is no designated law defining "assault weapon". It's their choice in both cases.
I'm not so sure. If I choose not to sell Snickers in my candy store, that is my choice. If I choose not to sell a gun to a Muslim or minority in my gun store - that is discrimination - and the ACLU would be all over me. Why is it different for 21 year-olds?
Please let me know if there are laws in place that allow stores to refuse to sell to law-abiding people because they don't want to.
i dont know Steve-o............ there's alot of stores that have that infamous sign.............we have the right to refuse service to anybody thats seems to hold up to father time.
not that i dont disagree with your train of thought! like i said before, they can serve in the military vote drive......................
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That's just the next step they are at before they stop selling guns and ammo in totality. Still allows them to make money while appearing/attempting to "help the issue".
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I stand corrected...
This issue is much more complicated than I thought. Here are two analyses.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/dicks-sporting-goods-violating-civil-rights-laws (https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/dicks-sporting-goods-violating-civil-rights-laws)
https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28/can-gun-stores-refuse-to-sell-rifles-and (https://reason.com/volokh/2018/02/28/can-gun-stores-refuse-to-sell-rifles-and)
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... while appearing/attempting to "help the issue".
You hit the nail on the head! Even the Repubs need to appear to be helping solve the issue now - even if the current theory that more gun restrictions won't help the problem at all.
The problem is we don't take care of our mentally ill.
The problem is our kids are desensitized to gun violence through video games and media at an early age.
The problem is there are too many broken homes where children are not taught to respect life.
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Here's my take on this. Rules/laws are always changing for all because of the actions of a few. I will say that if it prevents or decrease this from happening so be it. As for the companys not wanting to sell certain types of guns it's their choice to do so. If anything it'll help out the little independent gun shop owner instead of large corporations. You can't buy tobacco unless your 18, alcohol 21 so if you can't buy ammo or guns until your 21 so be it. It'll be just like tobacco and alcohol if you want it someone will get it for you. I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
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I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
What guns would you NOT consider a hunting gun?
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This decision also impacts Field and Stream stores that are just like Gander Mountain all over the Eastern United States.
And Field and Stream - the store - has nothing to do with Field and Stream - the magazine.
https://www.fieldandstream.com/field-and-stream-is-not-affiliated-with-dicks-sporting-goods (https://www.fieldandstream.com/field-and-stream-is-not-affiliated-with-dicks-sporting-goods)
I never said that it did.
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I never said that it did.
Sorry, my bad... I didn't mean to imply that you did. I was just trying to add another point.
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I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
What guns would you NOT consider a hunting gun?
I was going to say any semi automatic. Here in Pennsylvania hunters were only allowed to start using semi automatic guns to hunt with last year and since I haven't hunted in over 10 years I didn't know of that change, but in my opinion if you need a semi auto to hunt with then your a pretty lousy shot and should go to the range and practice some.
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I know that I've got a very unpopular opinion with most folks that sit on my "side of the isle"...
I wish that the so-called Assault Weapons Ban had never been allowed to expire. It is tough to dispute that these weapons posses more "firepower" than traditional hunting weapons. If this were not the case, our soldiers would all be carrying Remington 700s and 870s.
It is my own personal opinion that the RISK making this level of firepower easily obtainable by people who would perpetrate evil with them is HIGHER than the REWARD of making them available to ordinary citizens to defend their homes.
The problem is that the "left" was working so hard to eliminate ALL guns that the "right" felt the need to work equally hard to make them ALL legal - even if prudence might have dictated that we reserve "military-style" weapons for the military and law enforcement.
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I must live under a rock,haven't seen a dicks sport shop in many years,besides better places to purchase firearms and other outdoor goods these days.They're loss I guess,that is if they were ever a player selling guns.
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I know that I've got a very unpopular opinion with most folks that sit on my "side of the isle"...
I wish that the so-called Assault Weapons Ban had never been allowed to expire. It is tough to dispute that these weapons posses more "firepower" than traditional hunting weapons. If this were not the case, our soldiers would all be carrying Remington 700s and 870s.
It is my own personal opinion that the RISK making this level of firepower easily obtainable by people who would perpetrate evil with them is HIGHER than the REWARD of making them available to ordinary citizens to defend their homes.
The problem is that the "left" was working so hard to eliminate ALL guns that the "right" felt the need to work equally hard to make them ALL legal - even if prudence might have dictated that we reserve "military-style" weapons for the military and law enforcement.
I would not say that an AR has more firepower. There many many calibers that have more fire power. You could say that it can hold more ammo, but that is it. How about instead of always trying to take away guns from law abiding citizens, we work on ways to stop the evil SOBs. Even if you take away the guns, they will find another way. Pressure cookers for instance. Why is there no uproar to ban those or ban diesel and fertilizer. I think it is time to left teachers carry a gun if they chose to or have armed guards in schools. Someone needs to be there onsite not 10 minutes away to stop the bad guy. Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
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I know that I've got a very unpopular opinion with most folks that sit on my "side of the isle"...
I wish that the so-called Assault Weapons Ban had never been allowed to expire. It is tough to dispute that these weapons posses more "firepower" than traditional hunting weapons. If this were not the case, our soldiers would all be carrying Remington 700s and 870s.
It is my own personal opinion that the RISK making this level of firepower easily obtainable by people who would perpetrate evil with them is HIGHER than the REWARD of making them available to ordinary citizens to defend their homes.
The problem is that the "left" was working so hard to eliminate ALL guns that the "right" felt the need to work equally hard to make them ALL legal - even if prudence might have dictated that we reserve "military-style" weapons for the military and law enforcement.
I would not say that an AR has more firepower. There many many calibers that have more fire power. You could say that it can hold more ammo, but that is it. How about instead of always trying to take away guns from law abiding citizens, we work on ways to stop the evil SOBs. Even if you take away the guns, they will find another way. Pressure cookers for instance. Why is there no uproar to ban those or ban diesel and fertilizer. I think it is time to left teachers carry a gun if they chose to or have armed guards in schools. Someone needs to be there onsite not 10 minutes away to stop the bad guy. Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
What about the teacher the other day that went off the deep end and brought a gun to school and barricaded himself in the room before he shot out the window and had to be talked down before he hurt someone. Even the good guys with guns can have a bad day or something goes wrong in their life and they shoot up a school, kids and fellow teachers because they were aloud to bring their gun to school no questions asked.
The age limit on guns and ammo is all about maturity and right now kids and young adults haven't shown they are mature enough. Like I said earlier a few bad apples change rules/laws for the many good law abiding citizens.
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I would not say that an AR has more firepower. There many many calibers that have more fire power.
Certainly there are guns that shoot rounds that are more powerful than those that are typically shot out of ARs. I was using the term firepower in the general sense of being able to put the maximum number of human-lethal rounds downrange accurately in the minimum amount of time.
If you are a private citizen, and that is your intent, then the AR platform is your huckleberry.
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Are we really gonna get into firepower and what's better? Then we have to bring in the TKDF vs. muzzle velocity and penetration power and blah blah blah. These nutballs just want lotsa FIREPOWER which is the ability to spew out rounds per second. Kinda like the probs with the M16 in 'nam that shot 5.56mm rounds, VS the inaccurate M-14 which shot the 7.62 mm. Guys said the 5.56 was too small without enough of a TDF, but it was more accurate and had a greater capacity....but Special Forces loved the M-16....blah blah blah....naaa, we ain't gonna do that.
They just wanna spray people with bullets and hope it accomplishes their sick intentions. That's my opinion, anyway. They could do it with a .22 with a drum mag if they wanted to. They'll start copying ISIS and doing more bombs if they can't get the guns. Those are easy to make.......the whackos always find a way with their warped minds.
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
That ain't gonna happen on here. We're all too smart, and I betcha anything that we all agree on the crap that's going on out there. We're all on the same page here. :happy1:
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
That ain't gonna happen on here. We're all too smart, and I betcha anything that we all agree on the crap that's going on out there. We're all on the same page here. :happy1:
maybe i can change that!!!!!!!!! :smoking: :smoking: :sleazy: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Glenn are you trying to get on the wrong page again? :doofus:
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Glenn are you trying to get on the wrong page again? :doofus:
maybe :sleazy: :sleazy: :smoking: :smoking: :evil: :evil: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Glenn are you trying to get on the wrong page again? :doofus:
Hey JB, can we put him in the corner in a "time out"?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Yep, just better put some newspaper down in the corner too. Since he wants to be on the wrong page. :rotflmao:
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
That ain't gonna happen on here. We're all too smart, and I betcha anything that we all agree on the crap that's going on out there. We're all on the same page here. :happy1:
No butt hurt here, everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and there are never any two exactly alike. I agree with reb I think we are all to smart here to get upset with each other except when it comes to either using Hunts or Heinz ketchup, right Glenn :sleazy:
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
That ain't gonna happen on here. We're all too smart, and I betcha anything that we all agree on the crap that's going on out there. We're all on the same page here. :happy1:
No butt hurt here, everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and there are never any two exactly alike. I agree with reb I think we are all to smart here to get upset with each other except when it comes to either using Hunts or Heinz ketchup, right Glenn :sleazy:
damn tootin right!! :banghead: training-087 :banghead: :taz:Dems fighting words not using heinz KATCHUP!!! :crazy: :rotflmao:
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all i know is i'm staying outta these gun threads for a while till things settle down out in the real world. we can agree to disagreee but to get butthurt here amongst friends and get pissy aint worth it to me!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender:
That ain't gonna happen on here. We're all too smart, and I betcha anything that we all agree on the crap that's going on out there. We're all on the same page here. :happy1:
No butt hurt here, everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and there are never any two exactly alike. I agree with reb I think we are all to smart here to get upset with each other except when it comes to either using Hunts or Heinz ketchup, right Glenn :sleazy:
Absolutely, Coffee! :happy1: And most folks know Hunt's is the best!! :azn:
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... except when it comes to either using Hunts or Heinz ketchup, right Glenn
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:bonk: :bonk: :pouty: :crazy: :confused: ok you clowns............iffin i wanna get paid next week, i gotta get back to posting dues!!!!!!!!!! :moon:
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... except when it comes to either using Hunts or Heinz ketchup, right Glenn
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAA!
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Wrong Reb, Heinz is the best. Because it's a Burgh thing.
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I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
What guns would you NOT consider a hunting gun?
I was going to say any semi automatic. Here in Pennsylvania hunters were only allowed to start using semi automatic guns to hunt with last year and since I haven't hunted in over 10 years I didn't know of that change, but in my opinion if you need a semi auto to hunt with then your a pretty lousy shot and should go to the range and practice some.
Oh boy.... :doah:
I'm guessing you're not a hunter or gun owner?
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I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
What guns would you NOT consider a hunting gun?
I was going to say any semi automatic. Here in Pennsylvania hunters were only allowed to start using semi automatic guns to hunt with last year and since I haven't hunted in over 10 years I didn't know of that change, but in my opinion if you need a semi auto to hunt with then your a pretty lousy shot and should go to the range and practice some.
Oh boy.... :doah:
I'm guessing you're not a hunter or gun owner?
I hunted and was a gun owner for over 30 years. One day I lost the desire to hunt, so when my nephew was old enough to hunt I gave him my bow 2 shotguns and 4 HUNTING rifles. I don't even have one for self defense anymore, I use the 21 foot rule for my defense.
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Hell, the Deer Hunter takes PLACE in Pennsylvania!!! :happy1:
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I do agree there shouldn't be a ban on assault type weapons but there should be an age restriction on any type of gun that is not considered a hunting gun. I know it's not a popular opinion here but it's mine. Smite away :doah:
What guns would you NOT consider a hunting gun?
I was going to say any semi automatic. Here in Pennsylvania hunters were only allowed to start using semi automatic guns to hunt with last year and since I haven't hunted in over 10 years I didn't know of that change, but in my opinion if you need a semi auto to hunt with then your a pretty lousy shot and should go to the range and practice some.
Oh boy.... :doah:
I'm guessing you're not a hunter or gun owner?
I hunted and was a gun owner for over 30 years. One day I lost the desire to hunt, so when my nephew was old enough to hunt I gave him my bow 2 shotguns and 4 HUNTING rifles. I don't even have one for self defense anymore, I use the 21 foot rule for my defense.
But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
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But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
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Ok let me clarify my position for you again since you didn't understand what I said before. Do I see a semi automatic usefull for hunting? No I don't, like I said if you are a good shot with a rifle why do you need More than one shot?? When bird hunting with a shot gun I could get multiple shots at multiple birds pretty damn fast. Like I said before practice makes perfect so one shot one down, all the deer I've gotten I've only had to shoot once so why do I need a semi automatic. My uncle was a champion skeet and trap shooter so he taught me how to shoot birds on the fly quickly and efficiently and I can work a shotgun just as fast as a semi automatic so once again why do you need a semi automatic. I hope I clarified my position as simply and clearly for you so you will fully understand. Have a wonderful day.
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But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
Ok let me clarify my position for you again since you didn't understand what I said before. Do I see a semi automatic usefull for hunting? No I don't, like I said if you are a good shot with a rifle why do you need More than one shot?? When bird hunting with a shot gun I could get multiple shots at multiple birds pretty damn fast. Like I said before practice makes perfect so one shot one down, all the deer I've gotten I've only had to shoot once so why do I need a semi automatic. My uncle was a champion skeet and trap shooter so he taught me how to shoot birds on the fly quickly and efficiently and I can work a shotgun just as fast as a semi automatic so once again why do you need a semi automatic. I hope I clarified my position as simply and clearly for you so you will fully understand. Have a wonderful day.
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Oh I understood what you said, it's a standard liberal argument that I've heard many times before. No need to be so condescending.
1. The second amendment, which protects the right of citizens to own firearms, is not about hunting. The restriction of firearm ownership to some vague “sporting” purpose is, therefore, a fiction.
2. This country does not define what people can own by making them demonstrate a need. Nobody needs a Porsche to get to work, nobody needs designer clothes, an Ice Castle fish house or a big cabin on the lake.
3. A hunting rifle in semi auto is a feature. It’s like your car. Most likely an automatic transmission. That’s a feature that you either want, don’t want, or are indifferent about it. You can get a rifle in more that one action. Your car comes with manual, auto, CVT trans. It’s a matter of preference
4. Quick follow up shots when necessary are the responsibility of the hunter.
5. If one can be so proficient with a pump action gun that a semi-automatic is not needed for hunting then why can't a killer be proficient enough to kill just as many people with the pump making the semi-automatic unnecessary anyway?
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So, we go from :
But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
to this:
5. If one can be so proficient with a pump action gun that a semi-automatic is not needed for hunting then why can't a killer be proficient enough to kill just as many people with the pump making the semi-automatic unnecessary anyway?
That's been skewed to the point of wondering WHAT point this is trying to make....
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Condescending no I just figured that that is the only way I could get that type of response from you. See this is the difference here than over there on your home site, we don't get butt hurt over here. We have fun with each other, educate each other and care about each other, I'm far from liberal but that you wouldn't know because your nothing but a mole from the other site to cause friction over here and everyone knows it and I've enjoyed exposing you. I've always been told that sometimes I should use my filter before I speak but I think I had to turn it off and say what everyone here is thinking but wanted to try to be nice guys but not me not today. And like I said earlier, have a wonderful day.
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So, we go from :
But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
to this:
5. If one can be so proficient with a pump action gun that a semi-automatic is not needed for hunting then why can't a killer be proficient enough to kill just as many people with the pump making the semi-automatic unnecessary anyway?
That's been skewed to the point of wondering WHAT point this is trying to make....
So YOU think semi-auto's should be outlawed too?
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Condescending no I just figured that that is the only way I could get that type of response from you. See this is the difference here than over there on your home site, we don't get butt hurt over here. We have fun with each other, educate each other and care about each other, I'm far from liberal but that you wouldn't know because your nothing but a mole from the other site to cause friction over here and everyone knows it and I've enjoyed exposing you. I've always been told that sometimes I should use my filter before I speak but I think I had to turn it off and say what everyone here is thinking but wanted to try to be nice guys but not me not today. And like I said earlier, have a wonderful day.
So, because I don't agree with you on a subject that makes me a mole from a different site? You really have an active imagination. What reason would I have to "cause friction"?
Seems also like you have a lot of butthurt for someone on a site that doesn't get butthurt.
Sorry if I interrupted your love fest.
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I think Dave was trying to present his side of the argument, which I agree with him 100%. No need to get upset about it. Back to our love fest.
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So, we go from :
But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
to this:
5. If one can be so proficient with a pump action gun that a semi-automatic is not needed for hunting then why can't a killer be proficient enough to kill just as many people with the pump making the semi-automatic unnecessary anyway?
That's been skewed to the point of wondering WHAT point this is trying to make....
So YOU think semi-auto's should be outlawed too?
Nope, not me. Nobody's taking mine. I just can't follow the point you are trying to make & not sure what you are trying to say.
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Hell, the Deer Hunter takes PLACE in Pennsylvania!!! :happy1:
Da, 30-30 worked for Rubin in Escanaba pretty well! :deer:
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Who Rubin?? Nice place, dat Escanaba, eh. Stayed there one nite while on the drive up to St. Ignace and out to Mackinac Island....hadda get some of dat fudge, ya know, eh.
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So, we go from :
But you still don't see how a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun could be handy for hunting purposes?
to this:
5. If one can be so proficient with a pump action gun that a semi-automatic is not needed for hunting then why can't a killer be proficient enough to kill just as many people with the pump making the semi-automatic unnecessary anyway?
That's been skewed to the point of wondering WHAT point this is trying to make....
So YOU think semi-auto's should be outlawed too?
Nope, not me. I just can't follow what point you are trying to make or not sure what you are trying to say.
Coffee is saying that semi-automatic firearms are not "needed" for hunting purposes. He insinuated that one can be just as proficient using a manual action firearm. If that is the case, why is he only concerned about banning semi-auto's? If one can be just as proficient at using a manual action firearm for hunting, why couldn't that same person also be proficient at killing with a manual action firearm?
What it boils down to is I think there is a place for semi-auto firearms in hunting and in self defense. I think people who are not well versed in guns don't understand them and seem to be afraid of them. I also take exception to a stranger telling me what I need or don't need.
Rebel, I've read your posts on subjects like this for years. Unless you have flip flopped like Trump on this issue, I guarantee you and I are basically on the same page here.
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OK, let's clear up something first.One; I don't flip-flop on issues. I stand firm on all my beliefs. Always have. Two. Don't ever compare me to Trump.
Now, from personal experience: Blasting 'yotes and whistle pigs with a semi-auto "Sportser" aka "AR15" is a blast. (Pardon pun) Bunny blasting with one so-so. But, Deer hunting with one is one I do NOT agree with. Totally unnecessary. Something called sport and other things involved there, I am not going to get into a dissertation on that, period. My cuz hunts deer and other large critters with a semi-auto "AR-15" type, been some VERY heated "talking" on THAT one. My own cuz. So, in summation, for SOME types of hunting, semi-auto's are great. Some types NOT. The end.
PS...I saw a 'yote nosing around the neighbors yard the other day; she has free-roaming cats. 'Yotes love cats. This scraggly looking guy sure coulda used one. Saw his tracks in my yard yday, too...but no one in this high-falutin' city would believe it, or even be able to tell a 'yote from a german shepherd. Mum's the word for me.
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whats all the buzz about semi autos. :doah: :doah: i have a Barretta shotgun semi auto......... holds 3 shells.
i deer/bear hunt with a remington 30-06 semi auto...........holds 5 total shells WITH the clip in. AND i have never emptied the clip deer hunting.
as i tell my kids your first shot will be most likely your best shot........make it count. but then again i dont plan on shootin up anything. :doah:
ok now i'm totally done with this!!!!!!
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Back to our love fest.
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C'mon get happy!
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We'll make you happy!
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OK, let's clear up something first.One; I don't flip-flop on issues. I stand firm on all my beliefs. Always have. Two. Don't ever compare me to Trump.
Now, from personal experience: Blasting 'yotes and whistle pigs with a semi-auto "Sportser" aka "AR15" is a blast. (Pardon pun) Bunny blasting with one so-so. But, Deer hunting with one is one I do NOT agree with. Totally unnecessary. Something called sport and other things involved there, I am not going to get into a dissertation on that, period. My cuz hunts deer and other large critters with a semi-auto, been some VERY heated "talking" on THAT one. My own cuz. So, in summation, for SOME types of hunting, semi-auto's are great. Some types NOT. The end.
PS...I saw a 'yote nosing around the neighbors yard the other day; she has free-roaming cats. 'Yotes love cats. This scraggly looking guy sure coulda used one. Saw his tracks in my yard yday, too...but no one in this high-falutin' city would believe it, or even be able to tell a 'yote from a german shepherd. Mum's the word for me.
So, do you agree with Coffee's statements about semi-auto's for hunting?
in my opinion if you need a semi auto to hunt with then your a pretty lousy shot and should go to the range and practice some
Do I see a semi automatic usefull for hunting? No I don't, like I said if you are a good shot with a rifle why do you need More than one shot??
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I stated my points Dave. Read 'em again. It's clear. Quit trying to drag me into an argument.
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Who Rubin?? Nice place, dat Escanaba, eh. Stayed there one nite while on the drive up to St. Ignace and out to Mackinac Island....hadda get some of dat fudge, ya know, eh.
You look me in Da hairy eye ball and say you never heard, nor saw Escanabe in DA Moonlight? :bonk: :bonk: :doah:
Only the best darn Deer hunten video ever which be watched every opener at our camp! You need to find and see it! :happy1:
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I stated my points Dave. Read 'em again. It's clear. Quit trying to drag me into an argument.
It's not clear at all from my prospective. Coffee made a blanket statement that semi-automatic firearms are not "needed" for hunting. Based on your statements I can only conclude that you basically agree.
Seems like everyone is in favor of gun control these days.
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I stated my points Dave. Read 'em again. It's clear. Quit trying to drag me into an argument.
It's not clear at all from my prospective. Coffee made a blanket statement that semi-automatic firearms are not "needed" for hunting. Based on your statements I can only conclude that you basically agree.
Seems like everyone is in favor of gun control these days.
Coffee is absolutely right. A pump, a lever action, or even a bolt action is perfectly acceptable for hunting. So one doesn't "need" one. So what? There are lots of things people don't "need", like beef, tv, or fancy cars.
Besides, the second amendment is not about hunting or recreation. It is about defense and the right to life and liberty, as you know.
As for the legal arguments, young people are not a protected class so discriminating against them is not prohibited. Surely you know that Dave.
Any business is entitled to decide which merchandise they carry so far as I know. Barnes and Noble sells lots of magazines but I have never seen Hustler or Barely Legal there.
As for new gun laws, I think they ought to start enforcing the laws they already have, like the ones against felons possessing firearms, straw buyers, and use of a firearm while committing a crime.
Then fix the background check system which sounds like it is poorly implemented and poorly run, with much stuff that should be in there not in there. Making rules is easy, implementing and maintaining them is hard and boring and doesn't get you on TV.
That would be a start. Then we can talk about more rules.
As for bump stocks, they seem like a clever circumvention of the law about fully automatic weapons. But they are only a symbol for both sides and have no real significance except as a symbol.
Let's not be so confrontational, Dave. This is not Sillytown.
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so...........where the panfish biting anyway?????????????????? :happy1: :happy1:
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Coffee is absolutely right. A pump, a lever action, or even a bolt action is perfectly acceptable for hunting. So one doesn't "need" one. So what? There are lots of things people don't "need", like beef, tv, or fancy cars.
Besides, the second amendment is not about hunting or recreation. It is about defense and the right to life and liberty, as you know.
I already made those points.
As for the legal arguments, young people are not a protected class so discriminating against them is not prohibited. Surely you know that Dave.
I never said anything about that.
Any business is entitled to decide which merchandise they carry so far as I know. Barnes and Noble sells lots of magazines but I have never seen Hustler or Barely Legal there.
As for new gun laws, I think they ought to start enforcing the laws they already have, like the ones against felons possessing firearms, straw buyers, and use of a firearm while committing a crime.
Tell that to your friend Donald
Then fix the background check system which sounds like it is poorly implemented and poorly run, with much stuff that should be in there not in there. Making rules is easy, implementing and maintaining them is hard and boring and doesn't get you on TV.
Yes, you would love to tell people who can or can't own a gun.....
That would be a start. Then we can talk about more rules.
Oh, brother....
As for bump stocks, they seem like a clever circumvention of the law about fully automatic weapons. But they are only a symbol for both sides and have no real significance except as a symbol.
Let's not be so confrontational, Dave. This is not Sillytown.
When I state my opinion it is considered confrontational. What is it considered when you do it?
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Who Rubin?? Nice place, dat Escanaba, eh. Stayed there one nite while on the drive up to St. Ignace and out to Mackinac Island....hadda get some of dat fudge, ya know, eh.
You look me in the Da hairy eye ball and say you never heard, nor saw Escanabe in DA Moonlight? :bonk: :bonk: :doah:
Only the best darn Deer hunten video ever which be watched every opener at our camp! You need to find and see it! :happy1:
No, never even heard of it!!!! I live a very coddled life.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll check it out, thanks! :laugh:
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You have never seen Escabana in da moonlight?
I thought I lived a sheltered life....... :doah:
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No, never even heard of it!!!! I live a very coddled life.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll check it out, thanks! :laugh:
I will say this. If you never spent a lot of time in a good old log cabin Deer Camp, you may not get it. Everything is over played but that is what makes it funny. Having some good Sap whiskey and Pasties for dinner before watching will help! :happy1: :happy1: :rotflmao:
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No, never even heard of it!!!! I live a very coddled life.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll check it out, thanks! :laugh:
I will say this. If you never spent a lot of time in a good old log cabin Deer Camp, you may not get it. Everything is over played but that is what makes it funny. Having some good Sap whiskey and Pasties for dinner before watching will help! :happy1: :happy1: :rotflmao:
I've actually made Pasties and Sap whiskey.... just cause I was interested in what it was... :rotflmao:
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No, never even heard of it!!!! I live a very coddled life.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll check it out, thanks! :laugh:
I will say this. If you never spent a lot of time in a good old log cabin Deer Camp, you may not get it. Everything is over played but that is what makes it funny. Having some good Sap whiskey and Pasties for dinner before watching will help! :happy1: :happy1: :rotflmao:
Well, if livin' in this turn of the century cabin with no windows, (Nothing but the window holes) no heat, no electricity, fulla mice and bats (it's called the bat cave) and an outhouse 100 ft away, 38* degrees for a week with 10 drunken fishing buddies up for the walleye tourneys count, I've got some idea.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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No, never even heard of it!!!! I live a very coddled life.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I'll check it out, thanks! :laugh:
I will say this. If you never spent a lot of time in a good old log cabin Deer Camp, you may not get it. Everything is over played but that is what makes it funny. Having some good Sap whiskey and Pasties for dinner before watching will help! :happy1: :happy1: :rotflmao:
Well, if livin' in this turn of the century cabin with no windows, (Nothing but the window holes) no heat, no electricity, fulla mice and bats (it's called the bat cave) and an outhouse 100 ft away, 38* degrees for a week with 10 drunken fishing buddies up for the walleye tourneys count, I've got some idea.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Well then your good to go! Again it's all over played and some folks can't get into it. Hope you can even find it somewhere to watch it. Google google.
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that flick sounds so cheesy I have to see it!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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that flick sounds so cheesy I have to see it!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Yup, sounds like it's got you written all over it! :bonk:
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that flick sounds so cheesy I have to see it!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Yup, sounds like it's got you written all over it! :bonk:
heil you be the sheriff from cannon ball run!!!!!!!! now that's funny!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
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And yer Junior from Smokey and the bandit! :doofus: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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"So, do you agree with Coffee's statements about semi-auto's for hunting?"
This is the sort of thing that seems confrontational to me. If you would say "I think semi autos are needed for hunting" that expresses your opinion.
I expressed my opinion that semi-autos are not needed for hunting although some like to use one for that purpose. Disagreeing is not confrontational.
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And yer Junior from Smokey and the bandit! :doofus: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I was in the semi!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Well, I was in the grass with Frog!!! :evil: :azn:
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it was a great flick!!!!!
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And yer Junior from Smokey and the bandit! :doofus: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
yea well you 2 are Laurel and Hardy!! :mooning: :mooning:
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Dat's us!!!! :dancinred: :dancinred:
https://youtu.be/bx2ongCQdpE
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Well Cabela's sell guns to 18-21 year olds..... Cause there not Dick's!!
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Minnysodan's grew up teething on guns!!! :happy1:
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Ya well they can get rid of all the nasty AR's and what not, no need for em. Keep em in the military where they belong for people dropping, not in the public.
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I myself, have no need for an AR.
And don't know why anyone would hunt with one. (That's not for me to decide)
I do like my 1100 for goose hunting.
All of our deer guns are levers or bolts.
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Anyone grow up shooting and hunting squirrels/bunnies with the old .22 Single six? I did! :cheesy:
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I myself, have no need for an AR.
And don't know why anyone would hunt with one. (That's not for me to decide)
I do like my 1100 for goose hunting.
All of our deer guns are levers or bolts.
The coyote guys seem to really like them.
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I myself, have no need for an AR.
And don't know why anyone would hunt with one. (That's not for me to decide)
I do like my 1100 for goose hunting.
All of our deer guns are levers or bolts.
The coyote guys seem to really like them.
I got a .223 break action, that is dialed in at 200 yards...it get the coyote job done.... :happy1:
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If I could have any varmint gun, a variable power scoped .223 would be my first choice.... :happy1:
HD, curious, why did you go with a break action?
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If I could have any varmint gun, a variable power scoped .223 would be my first choice.... :happy1:
HD, curious, why did you go with a break action?
Figured I only need one shot, and the price was awesome. I have a high powered scope on it, and can hit a golf ball at that 200 yard mark, clamped in a lead sled.
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:happy1: I figger the same. My varmint master is a bolt action.....it's fun playing sniper. :azn:
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I just ordered my first AR yesterday. I got the 223 Wylde in snow camo (figured it only looks scary in black). I’ll use my cabelas points to dress it up with a bipod, sling, ammo, etc. I’ve always wanted an AR but never needed one. That is what I use my cabelas points for the things I want. Now to plan a prairie dog hunt.
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My AR is my plinking gun and it reminds me of my army days.. I really give no craps what dicks does or doesn’t do I never find my self in their stores anyways. Now I don’t know if raising the age is going to do anything to help with these things or not but what I see is that at least they’re trying something. And it not the full “ban the guns chant”.
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My wife and i both have ARs. They are fun to plink with. One of the first guns my wife shot was an AK47 of a friend of mines and she liked it. That and his 22 beretta pistol. That is what actually got her to start liking to shoot guns. I was like HD, never saw the need to have an AR, but the more Obama and Hillary kept railing on about them gave me the urge to buy one. Then my wife bought here own about 6 months later. We really do enjoy going to the range with them and ammo is fairly cheap to get. A person can never shoot to much to stay sharp. Rifles or pistols. We enjoy shooting them all. And they make an awesome varmit rifle. On another note and I may be mistaken, but i thought i read in the regs to use an AR for deer hunting you can only use a 10 round mag.
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I can't find any mag size restrictions currently, JB....only restricts I know are the ones for waterfowl.....
Current DNR site:
LEGAL FIREARMS (Includes handguns) FOR BIG GAME (includes deer)
• It is at least .220 caliber and has center fire ignition;
• It is loaded only with single projectile ammunition;
• The projectile used has a soft point or is an expanding bullet type;*
• The muzzleloader (long gun or handgun) used cannot be loaded at the
breech (muzzleloading revolvers are not legal for taking big game);
• The smooth-bore muzzleloader used is at least .45 caliber and
• The rifled muzzleloader used is at least .40 caliber;
• Muzzleloaders with scopes are legal during the regular firearms deer
seasons, but are not allowed during the muzzleloader season except by
special permit for hunters with a medically certified visual impairment.
Applications are available from the DNR Info Center, see page 125.
Other Restrictions
• No person may discharge a firearm or an arrow from a bow on, over,
across, or within the right-of-way of an improved public highway
(including but not limited to federal, state, county, and township
roadways) at a big game animal or a decoy of a big game animal that
has been set out by a licensed peace officer.
• A person may not use a dog or horse to take big game.
I do like the the higher capacity mags in my handguns, dropping clips then reloading after 7-8rds is a pain when target shooting. Plus, with a .40, you don't just pop the shells into the clip without yer maglula, unless yer thumb is made of iron spring steel. That's why I like my XDm's, the 17 round mags are great. I can concentrate on my shooting without the fiddling around.
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My wife and i both have ARs. They are fun to plink with. One of the first guns my wife shot was an AK47 of a friend of mines and she liked it. That and his 22 beretta pistol. That is what actually got her to start liking to shoot guns. I was like HD, never saw the need to have an AR, but the more Obama and Hillary kept railing on about them gave me the urge to buy one. Then my wife bought here own about 6 months later. We really do enjoy going to the range with them and ammo is fairly cheap to get. A person can never shoot to much to stay sharp. Rifles or pistols. We enjoy shooting them all. And they make an awesome varmit rifle. On another note and I may be mistaken, but i thought i read in the regs to use an AR for deer hunting you can only use a 10 round mag.
my son had a high school friend that deer hunted with us and he said the same thing about the clip size. i dont know nor do i care as i have no desire to own one.
all i know is they suck for deer hunting, they followed alot of deer with various bullet holes before finding them.
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I found this Field and Stream article by Phil Bourjaily interesting as it relates to ARs.
A New Breed of Shooter
Time at the range has become more about making noise than hitting targets
https://www.fieldandstream.com/new-breed-shooter (https://www.fieldandstream.com/new-breed-shooter)
"Everyone gets old enough to disapprove of or just be baffled by the next generation. That would be me, now, looking at the newcomers to shooting. I don’t understand them. They don’t like to shoot things—they just like to shoot.
...two men showed up in a Mercedes, parked, and left it running for two hours while they shot. They would burn through 30-round magazines in their ARs as fast they could, warm their hands over the ventilated handguard, and then reload and shoot some more. At nothing. Not once in two hours did they go downrange to set up a target."
I also liked David E. Petzal's follow up...
More on ARs
Thoughts inspired by today’s high-volume shooters
https://www.fieldandstream.com/more-on-ars (https://www.fieldandstream.com/more-on-ars)
"Compared to bolt actions, ARs have superior ergonomics, lower recoil, can be tinkered with easily, are equally accurate, and can utilize the cheap ammo that’s out there. On the other hand, they weigh more and can’t digest large or powerful cartridges, and I think a lot of them are overpriced. The fact that some people use them as noisemakers is the fault of the people, not the rifles."
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Guess we haveta follow Lynyrd's advice...
https://youtu.be/3vF66CsYEnc