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Title: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/17/20, 06:49:56 PM
 Trump Administration Seeks to Send Checks to Americans as Part of $timulus Package

 :reporter; 2hrs ago ...

 :coffee: or Video.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-administration-seeks-to-send-checks-to-americans-as-part-of-stimulus-package/ar-BB11jcaH?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/17/20, 06:51:43 PM
O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/17/20, 06:54:37 PM
O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:

 :doah: Reb! :rolleyes: :tut:

Dis does not imply anyting sexual :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/17/20, 07:15:34 PM
Oh yippee I get some of my money back they took from me!!🥴🥴 :doofus: I'll believe it when it cashes.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/17/20, 07:25:52 PM
Just borrowing more money from our grandkids.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/17/20, 07:26:06 PM
Dis plan is not as sophisticated as Obummer's brilliant "Cash fur Clunkers" program! :happy1: :crazy:

 :rotflmao: .......
Now dat's when we had a real leader runnin da country. :bow:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/17/20, 07:28:55 PM
they better save it for the pandemic!!! 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/17/20, 07:31:37 PM
Gee I think cash for clunkers is a great idea. I'd like to trade in a used but not abused '97 Pontiac Montana soccer mom van. Good little livestock hauler... :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/17/20, 07:43:36 PM
Dis plan is not as sophisticated as Obummer's brilliant "Cash fur Clunkers" program! :happy1: :crazy:

 :rotflmao: .......
Now dat's when we had a real leader runnin da country. :bow:
that's probably where Donny big got the idea. We know he isn't smart enough to think of it by himself  :sleazy: :tut: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/17/20, 07:45:08 PM
Really don't matter who is doing it, all these something for nothing programs ate at the expense of future generations. Talk about Socialism!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/17/20, 07:55:12 PM
O goodie! I need it!!!!!!  :happy1:

 :doah: Reb! :rolleyes: :tut:

Dis does not imply anyting sexual :rotflmao:

O phoo......"they'' say sex makes this whole thing better! And if they're gonna pay for it.... :happybounce:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/18/20, 04:33:16 PM
I've been tryin ta  :coffee: between da lines on dis :scratch: Many are already tryin ta plan what der gunna do wit da extra cash :doah: First off I'd like ta know exactly who's gunna qualify ta receive a stimulus check.

Waitin ta see da guidelines ta who's gunna qualify  :confused: Is dis fur per family, Individuals, Only poor, People dat's unemployed, Hard work-in tax payers, Folks wit no income. So many categories! :doofus:

 :tut: "Don't spend yer check before ya get one!" :tut:

If anyone Knows what da exact eligability guidlines are please post dem here!  :scratch:

Seems dat da only clear statement so far is It depends on yer income! :angry2:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/18/20, 05:16:57 PM
$1,000 per person as in working age adult I think.  I remember back in the late 80's either Arnie or Perpich sent out checks due to a glut of money in the state.  I think Jessie did too.  I believe I got about $140.  That was a nice chunk of jing.  So now it is "Uncle Donny" to us Glenn. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/18/20, 05:48:48 PM
So LPS us that are retired have to go get a job to get it??!!???   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/18/20, 05:55:00 PM
Hope we don't haveta join a union too!  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/18/20, 06:49:16 PM
Hope we don't haveta join a union too!  :rotflmao:
that be just the cost to join!!!!!!!! :mooning: :mooning: :mooning: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/18/20, 06:51:27 PM
You need to talk to my buddy in the food program at the school system. Let's just say he's not real happy with theirs since he hasta go in to get paid, but if the teachers don't, they still get paid....but they have a different union.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/18/20, 07:09:54 PM
I thought the gov said school districts were to keep everyone on the payroll
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/18/20, 07:21:51 PM
He and a couple of his staff have to go in and make the food for the kids that do the low-income bfast thing, but he and the para's only get paid if rhey come in. He's in tomorrow at 5:30 am to make 1,000 muffins and and the same number of pieces of fruit for the kids/parents to come and pick up....that's the way he explained it to me this afternoon. He also has to keep doing the ingredient/food orders until further notice. Really ticked because the para's and he have too physically be there, but the teachers don't. But, like he said, that's a different union. The food budget is also a separate entity from the school systems, and they are even running in the black, yet no pay. I'm only repeating what he said.
He's been the supervisor of it for about 20 years.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/18/20, 07:50:11 PM
he management and that is most likely why he's doing what has to be done.... 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/18/20, 07:54:56 PM
I thought the gov said school districts were to keep everyone on the payroll

Clarification Roon, my bad...he actually just called. He and the para's only get paid if they physically report, which they HAVE to do (He does) but the teachers do NOT have to report, and they'll still get paid. Made sure I had that right. It's this entire low-income food program thing to feed low-income kids one meal thats the reason they have to go in.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/18/20, 08:33:21 PM
So LPS us that are retired have to go get a job to get it??!!???   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really!!  Hey we are stressed as much as anyone aren't we? 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/20/20, 08:53:54 AM
Latest update as da beat goes on & on & on :confused:

3/20/20

 :reporter; ....

GOP opposition emerges to direct payments to Americans, key plank of rescue plan
The centerpiece of the plan -- building upon a proposal revealed Wednesday by the Treasury department -- would be some $500 billion sent to Americans in the form of checks.

Written By: The Washington Post |  Mar 19th 2020 - 9pm.




 
 




WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., released a massive economic stimulus bill Thursday to fight the coronavirus's fallout, even as opposition emerged from some key Republicans to one of the central elements of the plan - direct cashpayments to many Americans.




Some conservatives expressed opposition to these cash payments entirely, while others warned that GOP leaders were effectively penalizing low-income households by the way they had designed the plan.

President Donald Trump has expressed support for the cash payment approach in recent days, but he has also shifted between numerous ideas amid waves of opposition.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a close ally of the president's, was among several GOP senators voicing concern or outright opposition Thursday to the idea of direct payments, even as McConnell unveiled the trillion-dollar stimulus plan that would be the startingpoint for negotiations with Democrats. McConnell called for those talks to start Friday, and senators said the situation was so dire that they should not recess until they have reached a deal to pass it.

"We are facing the abyss," said Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. "We are facing circumstances for which there is no playbook."










 



A number of economists have predicted that the U.S. economy is plunging into a recession and that the unemployment rate could soar because many Americans are staying home out of fear of catching the virus. Many businesses are struggling to pay their billsand are laying off workers. The travel industry has been hit particularly hard, but more and more companies are now raising the alarm.

The centerpiece of the Senate GOP plan - building on a proposal revealed Wednesday by the Treasury Department - would be hundreds of billions of dollars sent to Americans in the form of checks as a way to flood the country with money in an effort to bluntthe dramatic pullback of spending that has resulted from the coronavirus outbreak.

The legislation would provide checks of $1,200 per adult for many families, as well as $500 for every child in those families. Families filing jointly would receive up to $2,400 for the adults. The size of the checks would diminish for those earning morethan $75,000 and phase out completely for those earning more than $99,000. The poorest families, those with no federal income tax liability, would see smaller benefits, though the minimum would be set at $600.

Limiting the payment amount for those without federal tax liability was a change from the original White House proposal, and caught some Republicans off-guard, provoking criticism. Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., tweeted: "Relief to families in this emergency shouldn'tbe regressive. Lower income families shouldn't be penalized."

An early analysis showed the vast majority of middle class people would receive the cash payment, but the percentage doing so falls dramatically toward the bottom of the income distribution. About 22 million people earning under $40,000 a year would seeno benefit under the GOP plan, according to an initial analysis by Ernie Tedeschi, a former Obama administration economist.





The precise design of the payments had remained fluid as talks on Capitol Hill continued, with lawmakers racing to finalize the legislation. The emerging opposition to the direct payments underscored that key elements of the plan could be very much subjectto change - especially since it still must be negotiated with Democrats in both chambers of Congress.

As the administration tries to get ahead of the cascading impacts of the coronavirus, Trump already shifted course once this week, abandoning for now a proposed payroll tax cut in favor of the direct payments, which he said could have a faster impact. Someof his allies, though, are not convinced.

"Direct payments make sense when an economy is beginning to restart. Makes no sense now, because it's just money. What I want is income, not one check. I want you to get a check you count on every week, not one week," Graham told reporters, adding that hewas about to speak with newly named White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to share his views.

Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby, R-Ala., also voiced opposition to direct cash payments.

"I personally think that if we are going to help people, we ought to direct the cash payments maybe as a supplement to unemployment, not to the people that are still working every day," Shelby said. "You know, just a blanket cash check to everybody in Americathat's making up to $75,000, I don't know the logic of that."





Often, congressional leaders will try to get broad support for legislation before introducing it, but many are now rushing to complete a bill, given the growing fears about the economy's downward trajectory.

Still, the newly voiced opposition to cash payments added to uncertainty about how quickly Congress would be able to finalize the giant stimulus plan that all parties agree is needed as the coronavirus overtakes American life and the economy. Democrats wereworking on their own proposals, which shun corporate loan programs being included by Republicans - such as $50 billion for airlines - suggesting that there will be difficulty in reaching bipartisan agreement.

Meanwhile the crisis is worsening. Confirmed covid-19 cases in the United States rose past 11,000 on Thursday - including two members of the House, Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., and Ben McAdams, D-Utah, bringing the crisis closer to home for lawmakers.

And the details of the big stimulus package keep changing. Trump himself embraced another idea, saying he supports having the federal government take equity stakes in private companies that receive coronavirus bailout funds.

Trump made the comment in response to a question at a briefing of his coronavirus response team, and suggested that different companies could be treated differently on the basis of past behavior. For example, Trump said that companies that have been usingexcess cash to buy back their stock in recent years - effectively boosting their stock prices instead of investing in new equipment - might be treated more harshly than others.

"I do, I really do," Trump said, asked whether he would like to see the federal government take a stake in private companies. The federal government took equity stakes, effectively a type of ownership position, in certain companies that were bailed out duringthe financial crisis in 2008 and 2009. It's a way of protecting taxpayer investments in firms and ensuring that taxpayers potentially benefit when a company recovers. But the approach is controversial because it essentially involves partial government ownershipof private companies.

Questions about how this would work have grown in recent days as more companies and industries plead with the White House and Congress for large amounts of assistance as their operations have been disrupted in recent weeks.

"People are coming in for money. In some cases, no fault of their own," Trump said, adding that "in some cases, where they did certain things over the course of the years, including by buying back stock, you know, they bought back stock and they paid a highprice for it. ... But maybe I view that as a little bit differently than somebody that didn't and somebody that built plants all over the United States."

The legislation McConnell released Thursday was based on what he called four "pillars" - payments to small businesses, direct cash payments to individuals, loans to industries decimated by the virus, and a surge in funding to the health-care industry.

The small-business section, which Rubio led, offers loans to small businesses with under 500 employees. The $300 billion for the loans would be made available through lenders certified by the Small Business Administration, such as banks and credit unions,with the maximum loan capped at $10 million. The portion of the loan used by the small businesses to cover their payrolls could be forgiven if firms retain their employees through the end of June 30, 2020. Loans given to firms with tipped employees, such asbars and restaurants, could be forgiven if they are used to provide additional wages to their employees.

The bill also outlines in greater detail the terms for receiving targeted federal help from the federal government, as proposed earlier by the Trump administration. The legislation includes $50 billion in "loans and loan guarantees" for passenger airlines;$8 billion for "cargo air carriers"; and $150 billion for other "eligible businesses," a category administration officials have suggested could include the hotel and cruise industries. The legislation appears to give the Treasury Department wide authorityin determining which businesses qualify for this $150 billion fund.

Democrats have demanded that any firms receiving bailout funding implement reforms such as a $15 minimum wage and an end to stock buybacks. The GOP legislation says that no "officer or employee" of a firm receiving an emergency loan can receive compensationabove $425,000 until after March 1, 2022.

"We're not talking about so-called bailouts for firms that made reckless decisions," McConnell said. "None of these firms, not corner stores, not pizza parlors, not airlines, brought this on themselves. We're not talking about a taxpayer-funded cushion forcompanies that made mistakes. We're talking about loans which must be repaid."

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., has offered his own plan, which skews more toward workers than corporations. And House Democrats, wary of being sidelined as the stimulus bill is negotiated between the White House and Senate Republicans, aretrying to assert their power by proposing their own sweeping coronavirus economic rescue package in the coming days.

Schumer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a joint statement Thursday that Democrats were "united in our commitment" prioritize worker and health care concerns.

"That means taking bold action to help workers and small businesses first by greatly increasing unemployment insurance and Medicaid, making massive investments to help small businesses survive, expanding paid sick and family leave, and putting money directlyinto the hands of those who need it most," they said.

On a conference calls of Democratic lawmakers Thursday, House committee chairs outlined a litany of legislative proposals -- though the fine details were far from resolved and Pelosi offered no firm deadline to finalize a unified rescue plan.

On cash payments, for instance, House Ways and Means Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., and Financial Services Committee Chairwoman Maxine Waters, D-Calif., have outlined dueling proposals, while other Democrats have focused on beefing up existing safety netprograms - such as unemployment insurance and Medicaid - as providing more targeted and effective relief.

- - -
 :reporter;
The Washington Post's Seung Min Kim contributed to this report.

This article was written by Jeff Stein, Mike DeBonis, Erica Werner and Paul Kane, reporters for The Washington Post.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/20/20, 09:16:15 AM
I'll prolly get a ticket for a free meal at a restaurant .....:and they'll still be closed.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/20/20, 09:41:39 AM
Maybe we'll get stickers too like we do for DNR stuff here in MN...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/20/20, 09:44:30 AM
And a punch card like up at Charlie's!   ;)
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/20/20, 10:38:58 AM
The last I read is that a couple earning less than $99,000 a year will get $2,400 and $500 per child.  I think the single was under $75,000 but don't quote me on that. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Boar on March 03/20/20, 11:34:59 AM
wat about couples making over 100,000
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/20/20, 11:36:57 AM
Anything over send to me.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/20/20, 11:37:19 AM
I'll prolly get a ticket for a free meal at a restaurant .....:and they'll still be closed.
Perkins
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/20/20, 11:47:41 AM
wat about couples making over 100,000

I think the amount goes down as the wage gets higher..
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Boar on March 03/20/20, 01:49:47 PM
fk
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/20/20, 01:53:21 PM
Latest from the website:

The payment would phase out entirely for individuals/couples making more than $99,000 annually, meaning people who make more than that would not get any money from the government, according to the proposal.

And it goes by yer 2018 income tax return.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/21/20, 03:14:26 AM
Latest from the website:

The payment would phase out entirely for individuals/couples making more than $99,000 annually, meaning people who make more than that would not get any money from the government, according to the proposal.

And it goes by yer 2018 income tax return.

So, like what happens wit dem dat are on medicaid, food cards, and or subsidised housing. They don't have ta file income taxes I would presume?  :confused: Just sayin! :scratch:

Would day still be eligible????
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Boar on March 03/21/20, 08:17:55 AM
ohwell, dont need it that bad anyaway
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/21/20, 09:24:51 AM
Latest from the website:

The payment would phase out entirely for individuals/couples making more than $99,000 annually, meaning people who make more than that would not get any money from the government, according to the proposal.

And it goes by yer 2018 income tax return.

So, like what happens wit dem dat are on medicaid, food cards, and or subsidised housing. They don't have ta file income taxes I would presume?  :confused: Just sayin! :scratch:

Would day still be eligible????


Yes, because it would still be noted with the government, on any monetary/pay that they are issued. Systems tracks all income of all people, regardless of where it comes from. Especially from them.

What tier will you be on with that bustling worm conglomerate?  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/21/20, 11:09:14 AM
Latest from the website:

The payment would phase out entirely for individuals/couples making more than $99,000 annually, meaning people who make more than that would not get any money from the government, according to the proposal.

And it goes by yer 2018 income tax return.

So, like what happens wit dem dat are on medicaid, food cards, and or subsidised housing. They don't have ta file income taxes I would presume?  :confused: Just sayin! :scratch:

Would day still be eligible????


Yes, because it would still be noted with the government, on any monetary/pay that they are issued. Systems tracks all income of all people, regardless of where it comes from. Especially from them.

What tier will you be on with that bustling worm conglomerate?  :rotflmao:

In answer ta yer worm question I've been tinkin of supplementing my income by takin my worm experience on da road. But, There seems ta be so much competition already as you kin see in deez videos dat it wouldn't pay. :doah:


View my competition here........
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=man+eating+worms+video+u+tube&qpvt=man+eating+worms+video+u+tube&FORM=VDRE



Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/21/20, 11:17:59 AM
Lee, lee, lee............yer not thinkin' right! Follow the Corona shut down, and have a DRIVE-THRU!!! Cup o' worms and a cup o' Cawfee or donut.......$5!! "Hello, and welcome to Cup o' worms! Can I take yer order, please?" Let's get things in perspective here!  :doah:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/22/20, 12:55:04 PM
Someone needs to dispose of this witch. Now.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/top-democrats-say-they-re-not-yet-ready-sign-coronavirus-n1166021
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/22/20, 01:09:23 PM
where's Glenn, he would take a hit for the team with her!!!!   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/22/20, 01:43:26 PM
where's Glenn, he would take a hit for the team with her!!!!   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1: :happy1:

 :sorry: but, Glenn's not available at dis time. He's got Hillary sittin on his lap right now and he's tryin ta lift her off wid-out da strength ta do it!  :doah:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/22/20, 02:29:16 PM
 :pouty: :pouty: :doofus: :doofus: :doofus: :doofus: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/22/20, 03:14:58 PM
RSVP won't  budge on portions of the bill that allow exec's to give themselves raises and bonuses on the government dime. Now all you Trumpsters tell me how that is right.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/22/20, 04:08:24 PM
RSVP won't  budge on portions of the bill that allow exec's to give themselves raises and bonuses on the government dime. Now all you Trumpsters tell me how that is right.
And the Planned parenthood bail out.   No hyde amendment for them.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/22/20, 04:19:06 PM
RSVP won't  budge on portions of the bill that allow exec's to give themselves raises and bonuses on the government dime. Now all you Trumpsters tell me how that is right.
It was a HUGE problem in the 2008 bank bail out too. There was a loophole that allowed many companies to do some creative bookkeeping allowing their exec's to get 10's of million of $ in extra bonuses. :angry2: :pouty:  :bonk: :bs:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/22/20, 04:24:09 PM
RSVP won't  budge on portions of the bill that allow exec's to give themselves raises and bonuses on the government dime. Now all you Trumpsters tell me how that is right.
It was a HUGE problem in the 2008 bank bail out too. There was a loophole that allowed many companies to do some creative bookkeeping allowing their exec's to get 10's of million of $ in extra bonuses. :angry2: :pouty:  :bonk: :bs:

That is exactly what the Dems are trying to prevent.  The last time the Corps. use their bail out money to buy back stocks in their company and didn't give workers a dime.  Completely wasted for what it was suppose to be for.  I am all for this but don't want Corp. getting anything.... 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: merc on March 03/22/20, 04:29:34 PM
The dems have to stop the stock buy out. Lets worry about the middle class for once and do the bail out at a later time.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/22/20, 04:42:52 PM
Trump said yesterday that there will be no buy backs.  he wont sign anything that allowes that.  Let's see what happens.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/22/20, 04:45:57 PM
Let's just do what needs to be done to save lives now and worry about the political games/psychobabble  later.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/22/20, 04:47:46 PM
Hope they nail those SOB's that had the early info & got out of the market too. :angry2: :bonk: :banghead: :bs:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: merc on March 03/22/20, 04:48:59 PM
Exactly, forget about the big corp bail outs for now!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/22/20, 05:02:01 PM
When yer in a battle, you do what needs to be done to engage and neutralize the enemy. You don't worry about what may be said after. You take care of that AFTER.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/22/20, 07:07:13 PM
Back and forth and back and forth as people get sicker and the virus spreads.....
This country is in a disastrous unmitigated mess.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/top-democrats-say-they-re-not-yet-ready-sign-coronavirus-n1166021
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: snow1 on March 03/23/20, 06:51:02 AM
let's wait for this money to come,once it does any bets all the illegals will be 1st inline with they're grubby little hands out or whinning because they get the hoop,I say f'em  our citizens ,vets,seniors come 1st
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 08:08:39 AM
let's wait for this money to come,once it does any bets all the illegals will be 1st inline with they're grubby little hands out or whinning because they get the hoop,I say f'em  our citizens ,vets,seniors come 1st
goes the same for 'soveriegn nations' as well!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: HD on March 03/23/20, 04:04:28 PM
From what I hear....Nancy put the nix to the stimulus package.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 04:07:34 PM
From what I hear....Nancy put the nix to the stimulus package.
yea i was reading some of the stuff on MSN guess it was quite the show in washington today. cept i dont read anywhere what exactly the holdup or what exactly there fighting over?????????????
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 04:14:21 PM
and before you trump lovers get all bent, i think Pelosi and Schumer are low lifes too!!!!!!!!

i'd just like to know what they got there panties all bound up over!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/23/20, 04:19:42 PM
It's all over the news, what the issues are.

"We're making a lot of progress," Mnuchin said midday as he shuttled through the halls.

But McConnell fumed, warning Democrats - pointedly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi - to quit stalling on "political games," as he described Democratic efforts to steer more of the money toward public health and workers, and less to individuals.

From the White House, Trump sounded a note of absolute frustration about the unprecedented modern-day effort to halt the virus's march by essentially shutting down public activities in ways that now threaten the U.S. economy.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: HD on March 03/23/20, 05:36:56 PM
That's why (and this is just my opinion) that the speaker of the house position, should be a voted in position...and just not a "gimmey" position...  :crazy:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 05:37:57 PM
Yea well I don't have the luxury, just read what msn plops up.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 05:39:59 PM
That's why (and this is just my opinion) that the speaker of the house position, should be a voted in position...and just not a "gimmey" position...  :crazy:
it is a voted position, by the majority party of the house.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/23/20, 05:45:32 PM
AND all should be a two term position.  AND no campaigning by anyone until they relinquish their present government job. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/23/20, 06:03:08 PM
And no one named PELOSI allowed.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: HD on March 03/23/20, 06:09:50 PM
That's why (and this is just my opinion) that the speaker of the house position, should be a voted in position...and just not a "gimmey" position...  :crazy:
it is a voted position, by the majority party of the house.

Just what I mean....The majority party of the house, should not be able to "pick" who the speaker of the house should be....period...
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 06:55:39 PM
That's why (and this is just my opinion) that the speaker of the house position, should be a voted in position...and just not a "gimmey" position...  :crazy:
it is a voted position, by the majority party of the house.

Just what I mean....The majority party of the house, should not be able to "pick" who the speaker of the house should be....period...
why point out just the house, same should be said for the Senate. It's the same in state government also.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/23/20, 06:59:47 PM
Last I heard the 1200 page bill from Pelosi included the taxpayers eating the Postal service debt, tax credits for solar and wind, and some kind of carbon emission reductions for airlines, among the other critical items to rescue the economy... :angry2:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 07:03:12 PM
Last I heard the 1200 page bill from Pelosi included the taxpayers eating the Postal service debt, tax credits for solar and wind, and some kind of carbon emission reductions for airlines, among the other critical items to rescue the economy... :angry2:
Yea if that's the case she needs to be taken out back and beat. Friggin pshyco dingbat.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/23/20, 07:07:03 PM
Last I heard the 1200 page bill from Pelosi included the taxpayers eating the Postal service debt, tax credits for solar and wind, and some kind of carbon emission reductions for airlines, among the other critical items to rescue the economy... :angry2:
Yea if that's the case she needs to be taken out back and beat. Friggin pshyco dingbat.

Careful or the guys in dark suits and sunglasses that talk into their sleeves be paying you a visit.    :sleazy:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/23/20, 07:18:37 PM
From what I just read it looks like the Dems are trying to keep the money going to workers and health care people.  Trying to make sure it is not a corporate slush fund like the Bank bailout turned out to be.  That is pissing Moscow Mitch off.  Humpty is nervous his rich friends are getting hurt by all of this and wants to put people back to work to keep them rich.  Between the whining Dems and the crooked Reps it is going to be hard to pick out who to vote for this time.  They are all crooks.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/23/20, 08:09:19 PM
From what I just read it looks like the Dems are trying to keep the money going to workers and health care people.  Trying to make sure it is not a corporate slush fund like the Bank bailout turned out to be.  That is pissing Moscow Mitch off.  Humpty is nervous his rich friends are getting hurt by all of this and wants to put people back to work to keep them rich.  Between the whining Dems and the crooked Reps it is going to be hard to pick out who to vote for this time.  They are all crooks.
yea I agree but its both sides.Trump wants to keep his group rich and Pelosi is  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

i just googled pelosi stimulis package, the dumb beetch wants the obummer phones back etc..........yea that type of  :bs: :bs: is not called for. people like klobachar need to slap her silly.

this isnt the time for that crap.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/23/20, 08:18:01 PM
She's tryin't to jam eleventeen different things in it. Doesn't get what the main purpose of it is.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/24/20, 06:58:16 AM
From what I just read it looks like the Dems are trying to keep the money going to workers and health care people.  Trying to make sure it is not a corporate slush fund like the Bank bailout turned out to be.  That is pissing Moscow Mitch off.  Humpty is nervous his rich friends are getting hurt by all of this and wants to put people back to work to keep them rich.  Between the whining Dems and the crooked Reps it is going to be hard to pick out who to vote for this time.  They are all crooks.
The dems are trying to cram a bunch of the new green deal chit into this bill. Not the place for it. As for the corporate chit they are trying to keep the economy from totally collapsing to the point it would be worse than the great depression. What POS Pelosi and Schumer are doing is a major joke. They should be brought out back and have some sense beaten into them. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/24/20, 07:59:02 AM
From what I just read it looks like the Dems are trying to keep the money going to workers and health care people.  Trying to make sure it is not a corporate slush fund like the Bank bailout turned out to be.  That is pissing Moscow Mitch off.  Humpty is nervous his rich friends are getting hurt by all of this and wants to put people back to work to keep them rich.  Between the whining Dems and the crooked Reps it is going to be hard to pick out who to vote for this time.  They are all crooks.
The dems are trying to cram a bunch of the new green deal chit into this bill. Not the place for it. As for the corporate chit they are trying to keep the economy from totally collapsing to the point it would be worse than the great depression. What POS Pelosi and Schumer are doing is a major joke. They should be brought out back and have some sense beaten into them.
i totally and 100% agree with ya JB!!!!!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/24/20, 08:02:55 AM
Yes that is not needed now.  She is a wacko.  They all are.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/24/20, 08:13:14 AM
 :angry:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/24/20, 08:28:55 AM
I agree nothing should be tacked on to the bill but history shows us why checks and balances are needed on how the money is used.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/24/20, 08:51:07 AM
I agree nothing should be tacked on to the bill but history shows us why checks and balances are needed on how the money is used.
I totally agree with the needed to keep track of how the money is used for the corporations.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: snow1 on March 03/24/20, 09:23:22 AM
let's wait for this money to come,once it does any bets all the illegals will be 1st inline with they're grubby little hands out or whinning because they get the hoop,I say f'em  our citizens ,vets,seniors come 1st
goes the same for 'soveriegn nations' as well!!!!!!!!

damn straight glenn,wonder how our native friends are faring this fiasco?,most if not all natives won't qualify for any stimulus funds,they make too much off the casino's plus they don't pay taxes....not to mention collect federal monies wilst on the rez living,free healthcare,schooling etc.,just like the illegals natives get the hoop.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/24/20, 09:42:53 AM
Hoping they don't bail out the cruise ships. Most of these floating petri dishes fly the flag of foreign countries to avoid US taxes.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/24/20, 10:29:49 AM
When they're refused entry back into their home port, they'll have plenty of time to think while bobbing on the water....
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/24/20, 11:04:14 AM
I agree nothing should be tacked on to the bill but history shows us why checks and balances are needed on how the money is used.
I totally agree with the needed to keep track of how the money is used for the corporations.

Yes, but it isn't always just evil private sector corporations.  Like after 9/11, when everyone donated to the Red Cross (as was recommended*) thinking that Red Cross would forward the money directly to effected individuals.   And when they saw how much money came rolling in, they decided they needed it for "infrastructure improvements" so they spent it to be ready for the next disaster.
 :angry2:

*And remember they recommended that we all donate to the Red Cross to avoid being taken by hucksters and thieves.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: snow1 on March 03/24/20, 12:20:05 PM
I agree nothing should be tacked on to the bill but history shows us why checks and balances are needed on how the money is used.
I totally agree with the needed to keep track of how the money is used for the corporations.

Yes, but it isn't always just evil private sector corporations.  Like after 9/11, when everyone donated to the Red Cross (as was recommended*) thinking that Red Cross would forward the money directly to effected individuals.   And when they saw how much money came rolling in, they decided they needed it for "infrastructure improvements" so they spent it to be ready for the next disaster.
 :angry2:

*And remember they recommended that we all donate to the Red Cross to avoid being taken by hucksters and thieves.

not to mention these folks up the food chain with red cross pay themselves a handsome salary,these frauds won't get one thin dime from me
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/24/20, 12:45:39 PM
Funny, you don't hear anything from the Red Cross now!

Yeah, they are probably doing something - goodness knows what.   :scratch:  Apparently you only hear from them when the $$$ are coming in.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/24/20, 01:28:41 PM
Funny, you don't hear anything from the Red Cross now!

Yeah, they are probably doing something - goodness knows what.   :scratch:  Apparently you only hear from them when the $$$ are coming in.
:tut: :tut: :tut: :tut: oh yes i do................they vant my blood!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: deadeye on March 03/24/20, 02:24:16 PM
I honestly believe that if the Dems drafted a proposal and left it on a table where the Republicans found it and then proposed it as their solution, the Dems would be opposed to it. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/24/20, 02:27:07 PM
I honestly believe that if the Dems drafted a proposal and left it on a table where the Republicans found it and then proposed it as their solution, the Dems would be opposed to it.
AND that would also be the case if it was the other way around...............just sayin!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: HD on March 03/24/20, 03:52:24 PM
Funny, you don't hear anything from the Red Cross now!

Yeah, they are probably doing something - goodness knows what.   :scratch:  Apparently you only hear from them when the $$$ are coming in.
:tut: :tut: :tut: :tut: oh yes i do................they vant my blood!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Not yur blood....For one, it's blue...and two, it;s thinned out from alcohol....  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/24/20, 04:01:26 PM
But it's not lumpy from cottage cheese.............. ;)
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/24/20, 04:13:18 PM
Looks like it's going to pass just north of 2 trillion.  I think it's needed big time.  I"m a conservative and increasing the debt is never good but in this case it's needed.  I do not fully understand this virus but the flu killed 23,000 folks already this year but this virus killed 560 was the last count I saw.  So why did we not shut down the country every year because of the flu.  We are used to that death toll I think and it's a normal thing as hard as it is to believe.  Having shut down the country and folks loosing work time and buisness's loosing buisness a strong shot in the arm is needed.  Really pizzed me off big time when Pelosi comes back from vacation while everyone else was working hard on this wanted her pet projects added to this having nothing to do with this virus.  That is one huge disgrace.  I hope this swamp dweller get's pounded out of office by her loosing the speakership.  Something she never should have gotten.  But we will see in the details and I'm sure something will be in there , there always is.  Hoping for the best for the people of this country so everyone can back to work and enjoying our great country once again.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/24/20, 04:17:38 PM
I think I was in 10th grade when I learned that everyone and every business ought to have a six month reserve of liquid assets to prepare for catastrophes. What in the world happened to real conservatives?
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/24/20, 04:37:56 PM
For one thing Roony it takes an average of 3 years for a small buisness to make a actual profit OK.  They live by loans until then.  Some take loans even to make payroll.  This is why I respect folks that actually go out and take that risk, hire folks in time and finaly make it.  This is a shock to all of the small buisness's.  You do not expect anyone to tell you to shut your doors and we don not know if you can open them up again.  What happens after 10 weeks then????  Too bad for you and your employees?  This is not their fault or anyone's fault.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/24/20, 04:38:14 PM
I think I was in 10th grade when I learned that everyone and every business ought to have a six month reserve of liquid assets to prepare for catastrophes. What in the world happened to real conservatives?

Someone had to pay for all the New lefty Welfare Programs!   "SNAP"   :coffee:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/24/20, 04:44:32 PM
When the government, the businesses, and the consumers are all so far in debt a collapse is inevitable. Reinhard, I have had my own business for close to 40 years so you don't need to school me on that. One thing I haven't done is drive new vehicles, have the best boat, etc.
Best Wishes
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/24/20, 04:54:27 PM
This is not a buisness collapse and who says all the buisness's are in debt.  The stock market was roaring and the buisness's on the most part were making profits and hiring more and more employees which has been shown each and every months.  So your analysis of the way things are going is off the mark.  Yes I agree the government is in debt and both party's contribute to that.  I admire that you have had a buisness for 40 years that takes a lot of hard work and long hours.  But when you say that government [which is true] and the consumers? and all buisness's ? are all in debt a collapse is inevitable?  This doesn't even make sense.  This is not about managing money this is about a disease.  This is not about any party, buisness, or anything other than a disease which is ravaging this country period.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/24/20, 05:05:24 PM
Good, then if business debt and consumer debt are no issue according to you, then we don't need to put the nation further in debt with a stimulus bill. You and I both know how you would be reacting if a D was in charge.
Best Wishes, I know your intent is genuine
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/24/20, 05:14:43 PM
Well then we will just disagree on what is causing this situation that is needing this unreal fix by the government.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/24/20, 08:19:13 PM
Funny, you don't hear anything from the Red Cross now!

Yeah, they are probably doing something - goodness knows what.   :scratch:  Apparently you only hear from them when the $$$ are coming in.
:tut: :tut: :tut: :tut: oh yes i do................they vant my blood!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Not yur blood....For one, it's blue...and two, it;s thinned out from alcohol....  :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: well then they got over 6 gallons of thinned out blue blood!!👍 :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 08:00:20 AM
They done dood it.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/white-house-senate-reach-deal-massive-2-trillion-coronavirus-spending-n1168136
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 08:09:22 AM
As long as there is no end to how much money they can hand out, I hope there is something in there for the farmers too. They have been operating without profit for about 3 years now due to government policies. I am talking about smaller family farms not corporate interests.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: deadeye on March 03/25/20, 08:12:05 AM
glenn57, you are absolutely right my man.  Both sides want to position themselves so they can take 100% of the credit and 0% of the blame.   :angry2:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/25/20, 09:31:48 AM
As long as there is no end to how much money they can hand out, I hope there is something in there for the farmers too. They have been operating without profit for about 3 years now due to government policies. I am talking about smaller family farms not corporate interests.
Well the farmers around here sure have plenty of money and they are not corporate farmers.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 09:39:44 AM
Take a look at commodity pricing versus cost of production. They had some good years in the past I agree but maybe they saved the money instead of squandering it. They shouldn't be penalized for that.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/25/20, 10:04:13 AM
glenn57, you are absolutely right my man.  Both sides want to position themselves so they can take 100% of the credit and 0% of the blame.   :angry2:
THANKS, deadeye. the  :bs: these politicians play on both sides the isle drive me crazy. I know of several people that where in the legislator here in Minnesota that after 1 term bailed out. they used the words spend more time with there family but the real reason they got out was the constant bickering.  if a bill came up and it was a good bill for the people, it depended what party it came from. opposing party...…….they were badgered to vote against it.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 11:36:54 AM
The left wing and the right wing are both part of the same vulture
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/25/20, 12:02:57 PM
 :scratch: So like, do we have ta clam our stimulus checks as income at tax time. :confused:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 12:07:08 PM
:scratch: So like, do we have ta clam our stimulus checks as income at tax time. :confused:

Now don't go upsettin' da apple cart already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :doah:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/25/20, 12:09:43 PM
:scratch: So like, do we have ta clam our stimulus checks as income at tax time. :confused:

Now don't go upsettin' da apple cart already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :doah:

 :tut: Guess-in don't count now :sad:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/25/20, 12:12:08 PM
:scratch: So like, do we have ta clam our stimulus checks as income at tax time. :confused:

Now don't go upsettin' da apple cart already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :doah:

 :tut: Guess-in don't count now :sad:

Any one?.....Any one?... Buelar ..Anyone? :scratch:

 :confused: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 12:14:56 PM
Money ain't free.....they'll tax it back.  Just like they do any refunds ya get back...add it to NEXT years gross income... :banghead:    $$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/25/20, 12:32:57 PM
Take a look at commodity pricing versus cost of production. They had some good years in the past I agree but maybe they saved the money instead of squandering it. They shouldn't be penalized for that.

Cost of production is heavily influenced by the cost of land.  If the land is owned outright the actual cost, or cash flow, is much lower.    Likewise machinery.   Yes it depreciates, but it is a fixed cost or maybe no actual cash cost.   

Looks like the U of Iowa says cost for 2020 not including land and labor is right around $2.00 per acre for corn.   
I'll attach the pdf. of the full report.   
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 12:40:54 PM
Take a look at commodity pricing versus cost of production. They had some good years in the past I agree but maybe they saved the money instead of squandering it. They shouldn't be penalized for that.

Cost of production is heavily influenced by the cost of land.  If the land is owned outright the actual cost, or cash flow, is much lower.    Likewise machinery.   Yes it depreciates, but it is a fixed cost or maybe no actual cash cost.   

Looks like the U of Iowa says cost for 2020 not including land and labor is right around $2.00 per acre for corn.   
I'll attach the pdf. of the full report.
U of M says a little over $500 per acre to put in a crop not including land. This was at a "fair rent" seminar I attended late this winter. So that is a break even point of about $2.50
 per bushel before land cost, if yield is best case scenario. About $3.75 or so with land cost, taxes on land have gone through the roof.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/25/20, 12:43:59 PM
Money ain't free.....they'll tax it back.  Just like they do any refunds ya get back...add it to NEXT years gross income... :banghead:    $$$$$$$$$$

Tanks fur da answer Reb :happy1:  It's not like I was worried bout it. It's gest dat wit da bingos all shut down, Well!
Let's just say dat wid-out Borgie's winnin all da extra dough every week. Tings are gittin a tad tight round here :banghead:

Click photo

                            :Photography:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 12:47:52 PM
Ya, tell me about it. Every time I want gravy with my supper, I just add some warm water to it.... :angry:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/25/20, 01:21:07 PM
Take a look at commodity pricing versus cost of production. They had some good years in the past I agree but maybe they saved the money instead of squandering it. They shouldn't be penalized for that.

Cost of production is heavily influenced by the cost of land.  If the land is owned outright the actual cost, or cash flow, is much lower.    Likewise machinery.   Yes it depreciates, but it is a fixed cost or maybe no actual cash cost.   

Looks like the U of Iowa says cost for 2020 not including land and labor is right around $2.00 per acre for corn.   
I'll attach the pdf. of the full report.
U of M says a little over $500 per acre to put in a crop not including land. This was at a "fair rent" seminar I attended late this winter. So that is a break even point of about $2.50
 per bushel before land cost, if yield is best case scenario.

I think you meant $2/bushel del. The cost per acre varies here with customers who own most of their land free and clear and are relatively debt free with old money backing everything up to those who own very little and have been paying cash rent that's in the $250 - $300 per acre territory. The thing that really has a lot of guys in trouble in the near term is they bought a lot of new iron in the good years, great terms, so they financed it while paying down other debt. Now those payments are coming due as well as their operating loans that remain unpaid in many cases from last year. The machinery isn't worn out necessarily but repair bills increase with the age of equipment. With shop rates at $150/hr. in some cases (think green paint) and the inability to legally repair some of this equipment yourself anymore, you're stuck. Then MN in their infinite wisdom taxes the gain in trade in value (if you realzed a gain) on used equipment as income immediately so all the sudden there's an extra income tax bill due. Not unusual as eqipment salesmen are scrambling to make new sales right and know the market is hot for good used stuff. See page A4. It's not just farmers either. It's other small businesses too.

  https://albertleatribune.dirxionpages.net/Albert-Lea-Tribune-03072020-e-Edition/4/   (https://albertleatribune.dirxionpages.net/Albert-Lea-Tribune-03072020-e-Edition/4/) 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/25/20, 03:06:51 PM
Yeah, $2.00 per bushel.  Sorry for the typo. 

Lots more detail in the document attached above.

And that link to the albert lee paper just offers to let me subscribe...  naga da as dana carvey said...
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 03:11:29 PM
Livestock prices are getting hit real hard lately and we can be pretty sure the ethanol plants won't run at a loss for too long of a time.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 03:12:57 PM
Good! Shut down the ethanol crap!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/25/20, 03:14:18 PM
Good! Shut down the ethanol crap!
:tut: :tut: :tut: I have 2 shops that supplied a lot of structural steel to them places!!!!!!!!! :evil:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 03:15:58 PM
Well I can't help it!!!!  :doah:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/25/20, 03:40:44 PM
so I read this blurb about the stimulis check. pretty bland if ya ask me. it, from what I read, a $1200 check will be sent to people makes 75 grand or less and be reduced for incomes higher.

now what's not clear is that to each individual in the house??? mine would be somewhat reduced, but my wife is only getting ssd and don't even get close to the 75 g!!!!!!! or is this per household based on the gross filing a married joint return>>>>>>

I want 2!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: merc on March 03/25/20, 03:46:48 PM
Four repubs are now demanding a change to the way the unemployment is written. So it may not go through yet.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/25/20, 03:49:53 PM
so does everyone get a check or are there going to be folks who won't get one??  like folks that are retired??? 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/25/20, 03:52:41 PM
Four repubs are now demanding a change to the way the unemployment is written. So it may not go through yet.
well feel the bern…..is bucky too!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

friggin politicians!!!!!!!!! :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 03:57:00 PM
And no Glenn, you CAN'T include yer dogs as dependants!   :doah:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/25/20, 04:06:09 PM
so does everyone get a check or are there going to be folks who won't get one??  like folks that are retired???

From what I have read is that all adults with an income get it.  If you are already on welfare and have no income or just plain don't have income you get nothing.  They raised the upper end too.  Now you get $2400 per couple if you earn under $150,000.  It was at $99,000.  Singles get $1,200.  Us retirees get it I think.  I sure hope so.  Will go a long ways towards getting my vote.   :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 04:07:56 PM
so does everyone get a check or are there going to be folks who won't get one??  like folks that are retired???
I heard they will start sending checks the beginning of the alphabet.
Art
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: merc on March 03/25/20, 04:11:48 PM
I was on a conference call with US Rep Tom Emmer and from what he said it doesn't sound like retired people get any money. Not positive but that is what he implied.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/25/20, 04:12:36 PM
Only the Anderson's will be ahead of me...    :sleazy:  Was that way all through school too. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/25/20, 04:13:57 PM
Yeah, $2.00 per bushel.  Sorry for the typo. 

Lots more detail in the document attached above.

And that link to the albert lee paper just offers to let me subscribe...  naga da as dana carvey said...

What you posted basically is a crop budget worksheet, something guys who go to their bankers/lenders for operating loans do routinely every year. Loan officers require it in most cases. I have guys in my office every year wanting info on what to stick in those slots agronomically. IA St. has no exclusive on that. You can make the numbers come out any way you want by varying yield and price. 

Or as I used to tell my girlfirends, keep yer panties on:



Capitol Comments by Peggy Bennett


Peggy Bennett

 

Imagine working on your taxes and coming upon the surprise discovery that you owe the IRS $100,000. Immediately.

Though it may sound far-fetched, it is reality.

Last fall, a Wells farmer received a $100,000 tax bill that he had no idea was coming. Not having tens of thousands of dollars sitting around, he was forced to mortgage his house to pay for it. Unless the issue that caused this immense tax bill is fixed, he will go out of business next year.

I have heard from other area farmers and business owners with similar horror stories, as have other lawmakers around the state.

So what is causing these unbelievable tax bills? A failure of the Minnesota Legislature to fully conform with the federal tax code. Specifically, Section 179, which deals with accelerated depreciation.

Last session, Gov. Tim Walz signed into law a plan that directed the Department of Revenue to review Section 179 claims, adjust for new expensing limits and review any gains or losses from the equipment they traded in.

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.

While it may sound confusing, it’s definitely not a laughing matter for farmers and other small business owners — such as dry cleaners or dental offices — that find themselves in this impossible situation.

This session I am co-authoring legislation that would fully fund conformity to Section 179 in order to help those who have traded equipment and had that trade value counted as income. The legislation would also cancel any penalties and interest issued by the Department of Revenue on any unpaid debts that had been created due to this ordeal.

In talking with those who are dealing with these enormous tax bills, these people are going to be forced to leave a profession they love unless the Legislature acts. With a $1.5 billion budget surplus, we have funds available to make things right and easily fix this Section 179 mistake that was approved by House Democrats and signed into law last year.

State Rep. Peggy Bennett, R-Albert Lea, represents Minnesota House District 27A, which includes almost all of Freeborn County, along with parts of Faribault, Mower, Steele and Dodge counties. She can be reached by phone at 651-296-8216 or by email at rep. peggy.bennett@house.mn.

Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/25/20, 04:15:43 PM
I was on a conference call with US Rep Tom Emmer and from what he said it doesn't sound like retired people get any money. Not positive but that is what he implied.

So our income is filed jointly.  My wife still works full time.  I have a at home Mfg. business.  Of course pension and SS.  So how will that work out? 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: merc on March 03/25/20, 04:17:24 PM
Working people get it according to what he said.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on March 03/25/20, 04:22:11 PM


Or as I used to tell my girlfirends, keep yer panties on:



You know, I use to tell her the same thing!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 04:26:11 PM
Really? I usually asked them to take 'em off!  :evil:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/25/20, 04:27:31 PM
Yeah, $2.00 per bushel.  Sorry for the typo. 

Lots more detail in the document attached above.

And that link to the albert lee paper just offers to let me subscribe...  naga da as dana carvey said...

What you posted basically is a crop budget worksheet, something guys who go to their bankers/lenders for operating loans do routinely every year. Loan officers require it in most cases. I have guys in my office every year wanting info on what to stick in those slots agronomically. IA St. has no exclusive on that. You can make the numbers come out any way you want by varying yield and price. 

Or as I used to tell my girlfirends, keep yer panties on:



Capitol Comments by Peggy Bennett


Peggy Bennett

 

Imagine working on your taxes and coming upon the surprise discovery that you owe the IRS $100,000. Immediately.

Though it may sound far-fetched, it is reality.

Last fall, a Wells farmer received a $100,000 tax bill that he had no idea was coming. Not having tens of thousands of dollars sitting around, he was forced to mortgage his house to pay for it. Unless the issue that caused this immense tax bill is fixed, he will go out of business next year.

I have heard from other area farmers and business owners with similar horror stories, as have other lawmakers around the state.

So what is causing these unbelievable tax bills? A failure of the Minnesota Legislature to fully conform with the federal tax code. Specifically, Section 179, which deals with accelerated depreciation.

Last session, Gov. Tim Walz signed into law a plan that directed the Department of Revenue to review Section 179 claims, adjust for new expensing limits and review any gains or losses from the equipment they traded in.

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.

While it may sound confusing, it’s definitely not a laughing matter for farmers and other small business owners — such as dry cleaners or dental offices — that find themselves in this impossible situation.

This session I am co-authoring legislation that would fully fund conformity to Section 179 in order to help those who have traded equipment and had that trade value counted as income. The legislation would also cancel any penalties and interest issued by the Department of Revenue on any unpaid debts that had been created due to this ordeal.

In talking with those who are dealing with these enormous tax bills, these people are going to be forced to leave a profession they love unless the Legislature acts. With a $1.5 billion budget surplus, we have funds available to make things right and easily fix this Section 179 mistake that was approved by House Democrats and signed into law last year.

State Rep. Peggy Bennett, R-Albert Lea, represents Minnesota House District 27A, which includes almost all of Freeborn County, along with parts of Faribault, Mower, Steele and Dodge counties. She can be reached by phone at 651-296-8216 or by email at rep. peggy.bennett@house.mn.

So, if  you own the land, what is the break even price of corn, in terms of cash flow? 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/25/20, 04:34:35 PM
so I read this blurb about the stimulis check. pretty bland if ya ask me. it, from what I read, a $1200 check will be sent to people makes 75 grand or less and be reduced for incomes higher.

now what's not clear is that to each individual in the house??? mine would be somewhat reduced, but my wife is only getting ssd and don't even get close to the 75 g!!!!!!! or is this per household based on the gross filing a married joint return>>>>>>

I want 2!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

From what I just read it is your income on your tax returns.  SS does count as income from what I just read.  Not sure if pensions do yet. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/25/20, 05:51:10 PM
When they get to my check, they'll prolly pull it out, laugh, wipe their butts with it and say, "There's yer TP!" Har-de har-har.... :angry:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/25/20, 07:13:15 PM
so I read this blurb about the stimulis check. pretty bland if ya ask me. it, from what I read, a $1200 check will be sent to people makes 75 grand or less and be reduced for incomes higher.

now what's not clear is that to each individual in the house??? mine would be somewhat reduced, but my wife is only getting ssd and don't even get close to the 75 g!!!!!!! or is this per household based on the gross filing a married joint return>>>>>>

I want 2!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Private pensions are income to the feds...  And social security is too, depending on how much other income you have.   

From what I just read it is your income on your tax returns.  SS does count as income from what I just read.  Not sure if pensions do yet.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/26/20, 06:54:28 AM
They're gonna pay YOU in rice.  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/26/20, 07:35:02 AM
Hope this helps explain who is going to get the money.

Who is eligible?

The bill makes clear that everyone is eligible except for nonresident aliens and those who can be used as the basis for deductions for another person.

"Seniors, veterans, the unemployed and low-income Americans would be eligible too," Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley said Wednesday.

The bill text indicates those who receive social security can collect checks: For those not required to file 2018 or 2019 tax returns because of social security benefits, tax returns aren’t required to claim the money -- the government can use information from a Form SSA-1099, Social Security Benefit Statement, or Form RRB-1099, Social Security Equivalent Benefit Statement.

With that in mind, here is how much people can expect to get.

People filing individually

People who file their taxes as individuals are eligible for payments up to $1,200, but that decreases for people who earn an adjusted gross income of more than $75,000 a year. The bill says that the payment is reduced by five percent of every dollar above that mark, or $50 for every $1,000 above $75,000.

What that ultimately means is that for people who make more than $75,000 the payment is less the higher their earnings are, with it being reduced to zero for those who make $99,000 or more.

People filing jointly

Couples who file a joint tax return are eligible for a payment of up to $2,400, plus and additional $500 per child. However, that amount decreases for couples whose adjusted gross income is more than $150,000 in a year at the same rate of 5 percent of every dollar above that mark.

This translates to less money the more people make, with it being reduced to zero for joint filers without children who earn $198,000 or more.

People filing as heads of households

People who file as heads of households are eligible for payments of up to $1,200, but that amount is increased by $500 per child. That amount is reduced for people who earn an adjusted gross income of more than $112,000 a year. The extent to which it is decreased, of course, depends on how many children they have, as illustrated by the chart above.

The following chart, courtesy of the Tax Foundation, illustrates how it all works.

Image courtesy of the Tax Foundation
Image courtesy of the Tax Foundation
Income is based on people's tax filings for 2019, but if they have not filed for that year, then their filing for 2018 applies.

"f the individual has not filed a tax return for such individual's first taxable year beginning in 2018," the bill says, the information should be used for 2019 provided in their SSA-1099 or RRB-1099 Social Security Benefit Statements.


When and how are payments made?

Payments, according to the bill, will be made “as rapidly as possible” and no later than Dec. 31, 2020. They will be made via direct deposit to an account that the person has authorized for tax refunds or federal payments on or after Jan. 1, 2018.

Notice will be sent to the person’s last known address within 15 days of payment informing them of the method and amount of payment. A phone number will also be provided so people can call the IRS in the event they did not receive it.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/26/20, 07:37:36 AM
Thanks JB.  :happy1:


Just a snippet from this mornings news....


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/coronavirus-checks-direct-deposits-are-coming-here-s-everything-you-n1168936
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/26/20, 07:40:26 AM
yup thanks Jb!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: deadeye on March 03/26/20, 08:25:10 AM
Dotch,
The story about owing $100,000 in taxes left out one BIG fact.  Back in 2018 when the equipment was purchased, the buyer used section 179 to deduct the equipment cost thus reducing his tax bill by $100,000. Now, because he decided to sell the equipment and not use it in production (the reason he could deduct it in the first place) he should be required to repay the windfall that was accepted in 2018.  So, in effect the person should have the $100,000 in the bank to pay back the windfall.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/26/20, 08:27:21 AM
Yeah, $2.00 per bushel.  Sorry for the typo. 

Lots more detail in the document attached above.

And that link to the albert lee paper just offers to let me subscribe...  naga da as dana carvey said...

What you posted basically is a crop budget worksheet, something guys who go to their bankers/lenders for operating loans do routinely every year. Loan officers require it in most cases. I have guys in my office every year wanting info on what to stick in those slots agronomically. IA St. has no exclusive on that. You can make the numbers come out any way you want by varying yield and price. 

Or as I used to tell my girlfirends, keep yer panties on:



Capitol Comments by Peggy Bennett


Peggy Bennett

 

Imagine working on your taxes and coming upon the surprise discovery that you owe the IRS $100,000. Immediately.

Though it may sound far-fetched, it is reality.

Last fall, a Wells farmer received a $100,000 tax bill that he had no idea was coming. Not having tens of thousands of dollars sitting around, he was forced to mortgage his house to pay for it. Unless the issue that caused this immense tax bill is fixed, he will go out of business next year.

I have heard from other area farmers and business owners with similar horror stories, as have other lawmakers around the state.

So what is causing these unbelievable tax bills? A failure of the Minnesota Legislature to fully conform with the federal tax code. Specifically, Section 179, which deals with accelerated depreciation.

Last session, Gov. Tim Walz signed into law a plan that directed the Department of Revenue to review Section 179 claims, adjust for new expensing limits and review any gains or losses from the equipment they traded in.

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.

While it may sound confusing, it’s definitely not a laughing matter for farmers and other small business owners — such as dry cleaners or dental offices — that find themselves in this impossible situation.

This session I am co-authoring legislation that would fully fund conformity to Section 179 in order to help those who have traded equipment and had that trade value counted as income. The legislation would also cancel any penalties and interest issued by the Department of Revenue on any unpaid debts that had been created due to this ordeal.

In talking with those who are dealing with these enormous tax bills, these people are going to be forced to leave a profession they love unless the Legislature acts. With a $1.5 billion budget surplus, we have funds available to make things right and easily fix this Section 179 mistake that was approved by House Democrats and signed into law last year.

State Rep. Peggy Bennett, R-Albert Lea, represents Minnesota House District 27A, which includes almost all of Freeborn County, along with parts of Faribault, Mower, Steele and Dodge counties. She can be reached by phone at 651-296-8216 or by email at rep. peggy.bennett@house.mn.

So, if  you own the land, what is the break even price of corn, in terms of cash flow?

Here. It isn't as simple as one specific number. Too many variables and every operation is different. Knock yerself out. I have toilet paper to hoard.

  https://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/decisionaidsall.html   (https://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/decisionaidsall.html)
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Leech~~ on March 03/26/20, 08:38:09 AM

Although this thread has been very Stimulating! 
Could we please just use the money to stop people from Dying instead!   :pouty:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/26/20, 08:51:50 AM
Dotch,
The story about owing $100,000 in taxes left out one BIG fact.  Back in 2018 when the equipment was purchased, the buyer used section 179 to deduct the equipment cost thus reducing his tax bill by $100,000. Now, because he decided to sell the equipment and not use it in production (the reason he could deduct it in the first place) he should be required to repay the windfall that was accepted in 2018.  So, in effect the person should have the $100,000 in the bank to pay back the windfall.

Did you not read this part?

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/26/20, 09:21:19 AM
JB, yea that is how I read and understood it, after I read it the second and third time!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/26/20, 09:25:42 AM
Dotch,
The story about owing $100,000 in taxes left out one BIG fact.  Back in 2018 when the equipment was purchased, the buyer used section 179 to deduct the equipment cost thus reducing his tax bill by $100,000. Now, because he decided to sell the equipment and not use it in production (the reason he could deduct it in the first place) he should be required to repay the windfall that was accepted in 2018.  So, in effect the person should have the $100,000 in the bank to pay back the windfall.

Did you not read this part?

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.

And my friend that had a short sale on her house had to pay taxes on the "gain" associated with the amount of forgiven debt, since she tried to hang on too long and the special provision expired.   The IRS is still after the money after like a decade.   She is/was still working in her 70s
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/26/20, 04:12:32 PM
Dotch,
The story about owing $100,000 in taxes left out one BIG fact.  Back in 2018 when the equipment was purchased, the buyer used section 179 to deduct the equipment cost thus reducing his tax bill by $100,000. Now, because he decided to sell the equipment and not use it in production (the reason he could deduct it in the first place) he should be required to repay the windfall that was accepted in 2018.  So, in effect the person should have the $100,000 in the bank to pay back the windfall.

Did you not read this part?

This meant a farmer or business owner who traded in farm equipment or other machinery in 2018, and realized a financial gain on that equipment, was subject to paying income taxes on that gain immediately. Whereas on the federal level, that tax increase was negated by higher upfront expensing limits. The tax bill signed by Gov. Walz only allowed the higher expensing limits over a six-year period, resulting in a tax increase in year one for farmers with only a promise it would be negated over six years.

And my friend that had a short sale on her house had to pay taxes on the "gain" associated with the amount of forgiven debt, since she tried to hang on too long and the special provision expired.   The IRS is still after the money after like a decade.   She is/was still working in her 70s

Never thought about that happening.  Surprise surprise. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/26/20, 05:30:12 PM
I thought the stimulus thing was a done deal...? Now saw Pelosi on the news, said it needs some tweaking, and hope to have it done by NEXT TUESDAY..... :confused:
Some guy I didn't recognize said this is insane; the people need the money NOW....so, what's goin' on?
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/26/20, 05:46:19 PM
I thought it was a done deal a few days ago.  Like JG Wentworth.  "HEY I WANT MY MONEY AND I WANT IT NOW!"  I want to either move out of my Mom's basement or else get a bigger TV down here. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/26/20, 06:22:47 PM
That's what I thought too.....that's why I don't follow politics. Makes no sense to me and I never could understand 'em.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/26/20, 07:42:32 PM
I thought the stimulus thing was a done deal...? Now saw Pelosi on the news, said it needs some tweaking, and hope to have it done by NEXT TUESDAY..... :confused:
Some guy I didn't recognize said this is insane; the people need the money NOW....so, what's goin' on?

Collective bargaining, corporate board diversity checks, $15 minimum wage, Green new deal....   
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/26/20, 08:52:33 PM
Think I'll go make an omelette.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/27/20, 02:57:01 AM
             

 :banghead: Who got special deals? :sleazy: in the stimulus and why they got them :confused:

 :coffee: ..... :party1:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/who-got-special-deals-in-the-stimulus-and-why-they-got-them/ar-BB11Ls1G?li=BBnb7Kz&pfr=1

PS. Just got a robo call from our village president last night. "All village residents will not be recieving a water/sewer bill in April" It will be paid for by da village."

Interesting dat he will just be running fur re-election soon :sleazy: :moon:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/27/20, 05:16:43 AM
Think I'll go make an omelette.  :rolleyes:

Lucky you! Went grocery shoping yerterday at da Jewel. NO EGGS At ALL. :doah: Only had dem chocolate Easter eggs :pouty:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on March 03/27/20, 07:11:05 AM
I said that 2 days ago that after the senate passed the bill it still had to go thru the house before it would get to Trump. And you knew Pelosi was going to screw with it.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/27/20, 08:10:40 AM
Just saw on the Morning Show.  Yes even Retirees that only get SS will get the $1200 Stimulus check.  You will not be taxed on it.  Line 8B on your tax form.  Your adjusted gross income.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/27/20, 08:22:06 AM
I thought the stimulus thing was a done deal...? Now saw Pelosi on the news, said it needs some tweaking, and hope to have it done by NEXT TUESDAY.....
Some guy I didn't recognize said this is insane; the people need the money NOW....so, what's goin' on?

Pelosi is "all in" on trying to take out Trump and doesn't care what it costs.  She'll so anything she can to muck up the works to make the administration less effective thinking this will help the Dems in the fall election.

During 9/11 even bitter political rivals were smart enough to know it was in the best interest of the country to work together.  Apparently Nancy didn't learn that lesson.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/27/20, 09:08:14 AM
I think the vote will happen today.  Some stuffed shirt [Massie}  want's a voice vote and said there would be no quorum for a voice vote.  However the leadership is shipping in more of the swamp dwellers so there will be a quorum. So leadership on both sides  believe there will be a vote today.  Trump will sign it right away when it's brought to him.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/27/20, 09:32:57 AM
I said that 2 days ago that after the senate passed the bill it still had to go thru the house before it would get to Trump. And you knew Pelosi was going to screw with it.
yea the last I read it was a rebulican that sounded like he was going to hold up the vote. it doesn't matter I hope this election all those wave wacko's get voted out!!!!!!!!!!! man this sheet is getting discusting. even in this termoi neither side can work together.  :angry2: :angry2: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/27/20, 09:50:10 AM
Like I said earlier.  I will vote for no incumbents.  They need to get the message that we don't like the way things are working now!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/27/20, 10:10:15 AM
I think there are some folks in DC who do a good job.  The problem to me is that they are there too long.  Some will say election time is a form of term limit.  True, but there are too many districts across this country where each party has a stronghold and no other candidates from the other party has a chance.  My district has been republican for a long time.  Omar's district has been a dem district forever.  Look how long Pelosi has been in Congress for example.  So we need term limits.  But then again even if you have term limits when you have districts controlled by one party, term limits are useless.  :confused:good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/27/20, 10:14:40 AM
I am all for term limits for all politicians.  Times change and attitudes do too. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/27/20, 11:21:21 AM
I think there are some folks in DC who do a good job.  The problem to me is that they are there too long.  Some will say election time is a form of term limit.  True, but there are too many districts across this country where each party has a stronghold and no other candidates from the other party has a chance.  My district has been republican for a long time.  Omar's district has been a dem district forever.  Look how long Pelosi has been in Congress for example.  So we need term limits.  But then again even if you have term limits when you have districts controlled by one party, term limits are useless.  :confused:good luck.
i'll be the first to admit I was one that firmly believed elections were term limits, but have since changed my mind 100%. there is also something to be said about longevity and experience holding a position for a long time, but at this point, especially in politics, its counter productive. and Reiny you have a valid point regarding some of the districts, some of that will never change. unless like what happened in Omar's district where she ousted this Phylis Kahn in the Minnesota house sevral years back.

with that being said, until the voters actually vote these long term politicans out and we get new fresh blood in there these politicians will never support term limits. unless somehow it could get put on a ballot as a referendum for ALL voters to decide.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/27/20, 11:37:11 AM
I think there are some folks in DC who do a good job.  The problem to me is that they are there too long.  Some will say election time is a form of term limit.  True, but there are too many districts across this country where each party has a stronghold and no other candidates from the other party has a chance.  My district has been republican for a long time.  Omar's district has been a dem district forever.  Look how long Pelosi has been in Congress for example.  So we need term limits.  But then again even if you have term limits when you have districts controlled by one party, term limits are useless.  :confused:good luck.
In those districts the primary is the election. That's how we got AOC in congress.  She beat a complacent incumbent
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/27/20, 11:46:48 AM
Yes he was Del.  Was in the swamp for years.  Figured he was a shoe in and didn't even campaign much.  But even in those districts a dem liberal would of won anyway, but this time they got a nutcase.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/27/20, 11:54:12 AM
now I see the Massie is demanding/ insisting a recorded vote and will in all accounts hold this vote up.

and he is an (R) so its both sides the isle being idiots!!!!!!!! weather you agree with the stimulas package or not. :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/27/20, 12:39:19 PM
:reporter; BREAKING NEWS: House OKs $2.2 trillion rescue package for virus-ravaged economy, health system, rushing it to Trump for his signature. Details to come. ..........
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/27/20, 12:44:25 PM
🏃‍♂️               🏃‍♂️                🏃‍♂️                    🏃‍♂️                   🏃‍♂️                    🏃‍♂️       
       
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/28/20, 09:10:15 AM
     Here's how the coronavirus stimulus affects you

Duration: 04:40 1 hr ago

The CARES Act, signed into law on Friday, is the largest economic stimulus package in history. The bill allocates $2.2 trillion to people and businesses negatively impacted by the coronavirus’ effects on the economy. Jill Schlesinger joins “CBS This Morning: Saturday” to explain if and how the stimulus will affect you.
More From CBS News


View......
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/heres-how-the-coronavirus-stimulus-affects-you/vi-BB11PQ6q
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 04:51:34 PM
WHERE'S MY CHECK!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :taz: :taz: :banghead: :banghead: training-087
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on March 03/29/20, 05:01:10 PM
Union workers get a check but union negotiators do not  :rotflmao:good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 05:02:29 PM
Union workers get a check but union negotiators do not  :rotflmao:good luck.
:pouty: :pouty: :pouty: story of my life!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/29/20, 05:10:16 PM
Some people just never learn to read what's what.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 05:11:07 PM
Some people just never learn to read what's what.
whats that supposed to mean!??????????
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/29/20, 05:15:15 PM
It just MEANS to read the stimulus package guidelines, and the state guidelines for what's permissible for folks being out and about. It's available to all and both have been posted in more than a few places on here for all to know.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 05:22:26 PM
well duh...…..I've read it...just trying to have a little fun...…….CHRIST!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/29/20, 05:25:12 PM
You talk about me?! That post didn't sound "like havin' fun".....Don't turn it around on me again! Go have a cold one! Chill out! Eat a pickle! Sittin' inside's good for no one! Havin' fun is a good idea in these times!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 05:31:32 PM
Whatever, you don't like my posts don't read or reply to them.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/29/20, 05:35:08 PM
Ditto. Enjoy that beer!  :toast:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/29/20, 05:35:53 PM
settle down ya characters!!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/29/20, 05:38:39 PM
HH!    :rotflmao:    :toast:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on March 03/29/20, 05:51:53 PM
yuppers!!! :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Bobberineyes on March 03/29/20, 06:06:53 PM
Sitting inside looking out sucks, we all could use to get out for a spell. And ya I've read it, just wanted to talk about it..
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/29/20, 06:55:01 PM
Ditto. Enjoy that beer!  :toast:
haven't had a drink in 3 weeks.

I believe I get one when I see the mailman deliver it.  Besides they just passed if Friday to expect it now was just being goofy.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on March 03/30/20, 07:24:16 PM
CHRIST!!!!!!!!!

Yes, My son..
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on March 03/30/20, 07:50:18 PM
You will get the check too Glenn.  It is a bribe actually. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on March 03/31/20, 12:13:21 AM
               OK BOYS! :tut: Let's lighten dis tread up wit a few tunes :tut:


     "We've been quarantined" :crazy:

Ya god-da Click on dis first one here..... :doah:
https://www.facebook.com/1110167725/videos/10220681999295788/UzpfSTEwMDAwMDYwMjY1MjE1MjozMjgwNTE0MzQ4NjQ1Mjg4/?from_close_friend=1

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmUXntGlqFI&list=RDnftuMrJpXaI&index=2

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoypzNJFkS0&list=RDnftuMrJpXaI&index=9

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_tEdQvFcc&list=RDnftuMrJpXaI&index=25


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoQJerrMcwA
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on March 03/31/20, 09:14:36 AM
Oh ho.....well, here's Reb's song for the COVID Carp.... 🏃‍♂️


https://youtu.be/KNIZofPB8ZM
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on March 03/31/20, 07:33:15 PM
One of my faves Reb.  :happy1: My only regret is I didn't find a way to see The Police when they went on their last tour.

After a bomb session this afternoon, I gotta get a haircut. I haven't let mine get this long in quite some time. And with a full beard I was plenty warm moving hay feeders, troughs, mineral block feeders, round bales, etc.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow)
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/01/20, 07:13:48 AM
Munchkin say stimulus checks will be heading out in three weeks..... :huh:  $$
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/01/20, 08:42:02 AM
One of my faves Reb.  :happy1: My only regret is I didn't find a way to see The Police when they went on their last tour.

After a bomb session this afternoon, I gotta get a haircut. I haven't let mine get this long in quite some time. And with a full beard I was plenty warm moving hay feeders, troughs, mineral block feeders, round bales, etc.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsbqVJLFow)
Ahh, David Crosby! :happy1: :cool: My 8 track player wore that 1( Deja Vu) out ~ my jr year too. Along with  Led Zeppellin 4
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/01/20, 08:45:43 AM
And who didn't own the untitled LZ IV album....... :happy1:
Didja know what else was un-named on that album? The dog that hung around outside the studio, and was fed by the group members. That's the name of the first song on side #1....Black Dog. Little bit o' trivia for yer stimulus.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/01/20, 08:56:40 AM
The James Gang Rides again was another that fell to the same fate too.. :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/01/20, 08:59:40 AM
who you guys trying to  :bs: :bs:, it was more like the Bee Gees and village people!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/01/20, 09:09:53 AM
The James Gang Rides again was another that fell to the same fate too.. :happy1: :cool:

Wore that out, too!  :rotflmao:  Funk #49 with Joe Walsh...O YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :rocker;


https://youtu.be/U_qHU_6Ofc0
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/01/20, 09:20:26 AM
who you guys trying to  :bs: :bs:, it was more like the Bee Gees and village people!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:tut: :mooning: :pouty: They must've been more YOUR speed :rolleyes: as the Village People didn't start makin any music 'til '77 & I was busy building Oliver tractors by then.    :smiley:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/01/20, 09:25:40 AM
naw……...one of my favorites back then was Tommy James and the Shondells. it was a sealed deal listening to them with a few female friends!!!!!!! :sleazy: :sleazy:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/01/20, 09:31:59 AM
naw……...one of my favorites back then was Tommy James and the Shondells. it was a sealed deal listening to them with a few female friends!!!!!!! :sleazy: :sleazy:
These kind? :crazy: :doofus:                                               :scratch: :doah: :super smiley: :super smiley: :laughroll: :laughroll:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/01/20, 09:33:38 AM
who you guys trying to  :bs: :bs:, it was more like the Bee Gees and village people!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:tut: :mooning: :pouty: They must've been more YOUR speed :rolleyes: as the Village People didn't start makin any music 'til '77 & I was busy building Oliver tractors by then.    :smiley:

Maybe that was what they played when stayin' at THE YMCA.... :dancinred:    :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on April 04/01/20, 09:41:43 PM
This was one of my faves back in the day, only vinyl though.

Just had bad news.   a buddy of mine I worked with for years and who came to coffee thursdays isn't gonna make it.    Colon cancer finally got him, and he is into hospice.   Hit me hard, for some reason.   


Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on April 04/02/20, 06:55:26 AM
Sorry to hear about you friend Del.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/02/20, 07:07:10 AM
sorry to hear that Del.....
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on April 04/02/20, 07:40:14 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/02/20, 07:57:46 AM
Darn, that is too bad Del. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on April 04/02/20, 08:21:28 AM
Sad deal del. Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/02/20, 09:09:25 AM
Sorry to hear Del.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: deadeye on April 04/02/20, 09:12:18 AM
Yes, that's a tough time for all.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on April 04/02/20, 09:47:19 AM
Thanks guys.   I don't know quite why it hit me so hard.   Maybe just being on top of the Virus thing and knowing that wife and I and many of our friends are right in the demographic that doesn't do so well with it. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/02/20, 11:15:39 AM
I hear ya Del.  When they say even people in their mid 60's have to be extra careful it makes me feel more vulnerable too.  That is why we are staying isolated.  I am thinking the wife will be told to work from home all day instead of just half days soon.  It is all kind of scary and I wonder where it will end up for all of us.   
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on April 04/02/20, 03:55:50 PM
I think what makes it scary to me is that there is something that they are not telling us or the unknown about it.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/02/20, 04:49:41 PM
Or they just don't know and are learning from this.  So we learn as fast as they do. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on April 04/03/20, 07:07:46 AM
I think because of China not giving all the true info. Like somebody I heard Saturday say. This is the longest I have seen something last that was made in China. ;)
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 09:05:50 AM
   :scratch: Here’s when your $timulus check should arrive..........   :hubba:


 :coffee: ....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/heres-when-your-stimulus-check-should-arrive/ar-BB12lRKS?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 09:22:42 AM
I would just like to say thank yuz guys for sharing yer hard earned tax dollars wit me.
Also yer welcomed fur recieving my hard earned tax dollars.

And last buy not leased I would like ta say ta dem dat didn't pay any tax dollars but are recievin stimulus money............ :angry2: Never Mind! :doah: :banghead:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/09/20, 09:25:53 AM
Wait 'til the crackheads with 6 kiddies runnin' around while they score a dime bag, becuz THATS their job, start the big lawsuits with a sympathetic whiny lawyer who also just wants to score big, because they didn't get a check........

And Lee, I hope you didn't claim the 11 worms you have in yer farm so far as dependents... :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/09/20, 09:58:34 AM
Wait 'til the crackheads with 6 kiddies runnin' around while they score a dime bag, becuz THATS their job, start the big lawsuits with a sympathetic whiny lawyer who also just wants to score big, because they didn't get a check........

And Lee, I hope you didn't claim the 11 worms you have in yer farm so far as dependents... :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: yea ya just cant trust people from illinios!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 10:07:40 AM
Wait 'til the crackheads with 6 kiddies runnin' around while they score a dime bag, becuz THATS their job, start the big lawsuits with a sympathetic whiny lawyer who also just wants to score big, because they didn't get a check........

And Lee, I hope you didn't claim the 11 worms you have in yer farm so far as dependents... :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: yea ya just cant trust people from illinios!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Correct A-mondo  Glenn :happy1: Especially since Illinois is da largest stronghold Union state in da country! :blues brothers:  :pouty:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/09/20, 10:10:27 AM
Wait 'til the crackheads with 6 kiddies runnin' around while they score a dime bag, becuz THATS their job, start the big lawsuits with a sympathetic whiny lawyer who also just wants to score big, because they didn't get a check........

And Lee, I hope you didn't claim the 11 worms you have in yer farm so far as dependents... :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: yea ya just cant trust people from illinios!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Correct A-mondo  Glenn :happy1: Especially since Illinois is da largest stronghold Union state in da country! :blues brothers:  :pouty:
:tut: :tut: :tut: you forget about all the politicians in the clink???????? :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 10:13:04 AM
Wait 'til the crackheads with 6 kiddies runnin' around while they score a dime bag, becuz THATS their job, start the big lawsuits with a sympathetic whiny lawyer who also just wants to score big, because they didn't get a check........

And Lee, I hope you didn't claim the 11 worms you have in yer farm so far as dependents... :rotflmao:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: yea ya just cant trust people from illinios!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Correct A-mondo  Glenn :happy1: Especially since Illinois is da largest stronghold Union state in da country! :blues brothers:  :pouty:
:tut: :tut: :tut: you forget about all the politicians in the clink???????? :rotflmao:

Fur Sure! Ya Mean all dem Damocrats :thumbs:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/09/20, 10:18:32 AM
***BREAKING NEWS***BREAKING NEWS******BREAKING NEWS******BREAKING NEWS***



Democrats stall Trump's $250B business virus aid package




WASHINGTON (AP) - President Donald Trump's urgent request for $250 billion to supplement a "paycheck protection" program for businesses crippled by the coronavirus outbreak hit a roadblock Thursday in the Senate.

Democrats demanded protections for minority-owned businesses and matching money for health care providers and state and local governments. They blocked a request by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to give the unanimous consent necessary to fast-track Trump's request.

"We need more funding and we need it fast," McConnell said as he opened the Senate, saying there would be future bills to deal with other issues.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. AP's earlier story follows below.

WASHINGTON (AP) - An urgent $250 billion request by President Donald Trump to supplement a business "paycheck protection" program for firms crippled by the coronavirus outbreak faces a roadblock Thursday in the Senate.

Democrats have signaled they'll block the request when it's offered by Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Democrats want add-ons and protections to make sure businesses in disadvantaged communities are able to participate.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., outlined their positions in relatively muted rhetoric Wednesday - tacit acknowledgment of the urgency of the measure.

McConnell and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin say the business program, which involves direct subsidies to companies to keep employees on payroll and pay their rent, is on track to quickly deplete its first $350 billion infusion as business rush to apply for the aid.

Democrats' requests like aid to states and hospitals mirror programs will flow more slowly, but McConnell is promising those topics are likely to be addressed in future coronavirus response bills.

"There is no reason why this bipartisan job-saving program should be held hostage for other priorities," McConnell wrote on Twitter. "Let's re-fund the only program that's already running dry and keep moving forward together."

Pelosi and McConnell do much of their communicating in public statements, which this week have avoided inflammatory broadsides, at least so far.

In interviews, Pelosi stressed making sure that the popular paycheck protection program, part of the massive $2.2 trillion economic aid Congress passed in March, delivers benefits to businesses in minority communities that are often under-served by traditional lenders.

"One of the concerns that we have about the original $350 (billion) is that a lot of ... people who are under-banked are unserved on that basis," Pelosi told NPR on Wednesday. "So, they don't have banking relationships sophisticated in a way that others do."

She is pressing for one-half of the White House request, or $125 billion, to channeled through community-based financial institutions that serve farmers, family, women, minority and veteran-owned small businesses and nonprofits in rural, tribal, suburban and urban communities.

Senate Democrats Thursday circulated a $500 billion plan that would add $100 billion for hospitals and other health care providers and $150 billion to state and local governments, as well as a $15% boost in food stamp benefits. They hope this serves as a basis for talks with McConnell going forward.

The battle is taking place as Capitol Hill is virtually shut down as the nation and the economy are virtually shuttered to stop the spread of the virus. The situation means that legislation is most easily passed through unanimous agreement, rarely a quick task.

Pelosi said McConnell's request "simply can't" advance through the Democratic-controlled House under unanimous consent. There's also lone wolf Republican Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who promises to block efforts to pass such huge legislation without lawmakers present and ready to vote.

Thursday's Senate action comes as the government is just beginning to implement three previously passed bills to respond to the unprecedented coronavirus outbreak, which has caused grave damage to the economy in addition to the personal toll.

The massive infusions of federal cash - the $250 billion sought by the administration would come on top of combined legislation already totaling about $2.5 trillion -- are intended as a patch to help the $21 trillion U.S. economy through the current recession, which is causing an economic contraction and spike in joblessness overwhelming many state systems for delivering unemployment benefits.

Still, signs of potential progress emerged in Washington's effort to push cash out the door to suddenly out-of-work Americans and shuttered businesses.

The first $1,200 direct payments to Americans are set to begin next week, Mnuchin told House Democrats during a conference call Wednesday with the administration's coronavirus task force.

Mnuchin also told the lawmakers that $98 billion in loans for small businesses has been approved under the program which the Trump administration wants Congress to bolster in Thursday's vote, according to a person unauthorized to discuss the private call and granted anonymity.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 10:51:57 AM
Is anyone supposed ta be supprised by da dems action?????  :puke:  Just think  :scratch: at one time da Dems tagged da republican party as "Da party of NO!" OMG! :banghead:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/09/20, 11:04:46 AM
them socks are probably like his MAGA hats...……..made in china!!!!!!!!!!! :pouty: :pouty: :cool: :evil:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/09/20, 11:07:59 AM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/09/20, 11:13:28 AM
them socks are probably like his MAGA hats...……..made in china!!!!!!!!!!! :pouty: :pouty: :cool: :evil: :rotflmao:

The Trump campaign's officially licensed "Make America Great Again," or "MAGA" hats, are made here, at the Cali-Fame headwear factory in Carson, California, just outside of Los Angeles. Brian Kennedy


en.wikipedia.org
: The fabric, the cord, the plastic strap, the fabric underneath, the sweatband, the whole hat is made here in America.

  So Who You Crappin  :scratch: When yer Lips Are Flappin Glenn! :angry2:

 :rotflmao: Fake News once again! :tut:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Reinhard on April 04/09/20, 11:27:19 AM
Yep I have one of those.  I was listening to McConnel today on the Senate floor.  Keep in mind the previous stimules bill was pass 100% by voice vote in the Senate and the House.  All he wanted to do to make it quick and simple was to take the same bill and just delete the sentence of the amount in the bill.  Nothing else changed or was deleted or added on.  Just increase the amount, that's it to help small buisness's.  Nope,  the dems won't accept what they voted for in the first place.  Sure they are for the increase but want to add on who get's the money.  Delay, delay, delay while folks are hurting.  There will be a phase for which will address some of their wants but they want it now.  good luck.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/09/20, 11:38:32 AM
I think Pelosi's mouth needs a time-delay on it. Say six months or so....
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Lee Borgersen on April 04/15/20, 03:48:00 PM
I just got done viewing My Our  :doah:  :oops1: checkin account and da stimulus check was deposited today! :blues brothers:

    :cheerleader:  We're In Da Money .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/15/20, 03:50:26 PM
heard from several people that they all got theirs too... 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/15/20, 03:55:50 PM
The wife said I'll check later when I mentioned it.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:  That means she doesn't want me knowing it is there if it is...      :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/15/20, 04:10:19 PM
The wife said I'll check later when I mentioned it.   :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:  That means she doesn't want me knowing it is there if it is...      :rotflmao:

she spent it already!!!!! 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/15/20, 04:12:46 PM
 :rotflmao: you guys watch the TV show the Neighborhood Monday nite??  :rotflmao: LPS's story sounds like it's gonna play out the same way. :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/15/20, 04:16:50 PM
Was just able to log in to my checking acct for the 1st time today. Tried 3 or 4 times earlier & couldn't get in, it wasn't my lucky day. :pouty:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/15/20, 04:18:18 PM
Was just able to log in to my checking acct for the 1st time today. Tried 3 or 4 times earlier & couldn't get in, it wasn't my lucky day. :pouty:
you'll just spend it in Inger anyway. :rotflmao: :super smiley: :super smiley: :laughroll: :laughroll: :laughroll:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/15/20, 04:21:54 PM
 :bs:                :tut: :mooning: :pouty:                                                                           
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/15/20, 04:43:09 PM
:bs:                :tut: :mooning: :pouty:                                                                         
:nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/15/20, 06:01:35 PM
Was just able to log in to my checking acct for the 1st time today. Tried 3 or 4 times earlier & couldn't get in, it wasn't my lucky day. :pouty:

Was finally able to get thru to my online banking gunner at 5:30 after it being jammed up all day long. :angry2:

It's there. Went right into savings.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Boar on April 04/15/20, 09:59:26 PM
we got ours whoop whoop!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/16/20, 05:24:27 AM
Bet THAT went right out the window!!! *WHOOSH*    :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on April 04/16/20, 07:08:44 AM
We had ours in our accounts Tuesday evening. I'm going to tell Pelosi I am sending it all to the Trump campaign. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/16/20, 07:19:03 AM
Save some and send her a MAGA hat.   :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/16/20, 07:53:27 AM
we got ours whoop whoop!
  :scratch: Think it's based off your birthday just like your SS checks. Brother got his yday too & he gets his SS the 1st week of every month. So next week for me, most likely.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/16/20, 08:46:26 AM
We got ours. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/16/20, 08:54:21 AM
guess i'll have to wait. aint no way i'm giving them my bank information. I cringe and bite the bullet even with all these places going to online bill paying, and then they cohorst you into extra fees if ya don't, friggin crooks.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/16/20, 11:50:47 AM
 :scratch: They already have it if you've ever had to write the IRS a check at tax time. I usually don't have to file but still have been because I can do it on-line for free. My SS check is direct deposit so I don't have to give them my info either because of it. That's how they'll determine how much I get as SS is 85% of my income.  Bet the wife's SSD check don't come in the mail either does it? Shared checking acct?
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/16/20, 11:53:46 AM
:scratch: They already have it if you've ever had to write the IRS a check at tax time. I usually don't have to file but still have been because I can do it on-line for free. My SS check is direct deposit so I don't have to give them my info either because of it. That's how they'll determine how much I get as SS is 85% of my income.  Bet the wife's SSD check don't come in the mail either does it? Shared checking acct?
yep.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on April 04/16/20, 01:05:58 PM
Smurfy, you are living in a dream world if you think you can keep stuff private.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Leech~~ on April 04/16/20, 01:18:13 PM
We got ours.

We got ours and it was Yuuug!  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/16/20, 01:53:26 PM

                   :scratch:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on April 04/16/20, 02:36:47 PM
I got mine in my account a while back and another check from the Donald in my birthday card today. I thought I told him I could not be bought!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/16/20, 02:38:26 PM
Happy birthday  :party3: :party3: :happybday: Roony.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on April 04/16/20, 02:46:30 PM
I got mine in my account a while back and another check from the Donald in my birthday card today. I thought I told him I could not be bought!

Get your revenge.  Donate that filthy lucre to a charity of your choice.   I suggest channel one given the circumstances.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on April 04/16/20, 02:47:48 PM
If I'd only known I'd live this long I would have taken better care of myself. :smoking:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/16/20, 02:49:37 PM
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:  Ain't that the truth....   :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on April 04/16/20, 02:50:40 PM
I got mine in my account a while back and another check from the Donald in my birthday card today. I thought I told him I could not be bought!for this.

Get your revenge.  Donate that filthy lucre to a charity of your choice.   I suggest channel one given the circumstances.

Charity of choice is the grandkids since they will have to pay the piper
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Rebel SS on April 04/16/20, 02:56:34 PM
Happy birthday, Art!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/16/20, 03:00:59 PM
Happy Birthday roony!!!!   :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: LPS on April 04/16/20, 03:04:41 PM
Ya Happy Birthday Roony.  May have to start HH early tonight. 
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on April 04/16/20, 03:19:31 PM
Happy Birthday Art!  :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/16/20, 03:27:25 PM
 :happybday: :happybday: :party1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Jerkbiat on April 04/16/20, 03:39:39 PM
Happy Bday Roony!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: roony on April 04/16/20, 03:50:11 PM
Thx guys, didn't mean to get things so far off the tracks.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/16/20, 03:52:30 PM
dats a good side track!!!!!   :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/16/20, 03:54:44 PM
Thx guys, didn't mean to get things so far off the tracks.

It wasn't really you!! It was that guy right after you that started it  :rolleyes:, again. :pouty:             ;) :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/25/20, 12:52:21 PM
Brother has been watchin for his & seein no signs of it, so he went to the IRS portal to check it out. Seems as though they were sayin they didn't have all the necessary info for direct deposit. So I looked into mine, thinkin it might be the same story. Put my SS#, birthday, & address in & got told mine was mailed yday. :happy1: We both thought they would have all the info they needed from the SSA, if nothin else.  :scratch: Guess not? :rolleyes: :confused:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Dotch on April 04/25/20, 01:04:01 PM
They're still jerking me around yet too. I just figured it must be because I've been known to consort online with anti-Trump union thugs... :evil:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/25/20, 01:24:16 PM
thanks Gunner, used the info you just stated and found out mine came on April 15th..  so I have money I didn't know I had...   :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: delcecchi on April 04/25/20, 02:35:07 PM
If you went to portal and put your info in, should be in a week or two.   
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/20, 11:08:36 AM
Yeah, I never got as far as to enter my bank info before being told it was already in the mail. With our mail now being forwarded up here it might take a week before I see it. We'll see.
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: mike89 on April 04/26/20, 11:14:20 AM
Yeah, I never got as far as to enter my bank info before being told it was already in the mail. With our mail now being forwarded up here it might take a week before I see it. We'll see.

hope they don't drop it off in CS!!!!!!    :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/26/20, 11:26:47 AM
Better not, I'd hate to have to have him put in the klink. ;)  :rolleyes:       :scratch: Wonder if I could get my money + a bonus from his wife for that though? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/26/20, 06:35:15 PM
They're still jerking me around yet too. I just figured it must be because I've been known to consort online with anti-Trump union thugs... :evil:
I had it sent to me first hand!!!!!!!! :mooning: :mooning: :mooning:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: glenn57 on April 04/26/20, 06:36:28 PM
Better not, I'd hate to have to have him put in the klink. ;)  :rolleyes:       :scratch: Wonder if I could get my money + a bonus from his wife for that though? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:sleazy: :nerd: :nerd: :nerd: :mooning: the postal people are union too!!!!!!! :smoking: :sleazy: :sleazy: :evil:
Title: Re: Trump Admin Stimulus Pkg
Post by: Gunner55 on April 04/27/20, 06:39:22 AM
 :scratch: Almost all of the rural carriers are private contractors & not full time.