Minnesota Outdoorsman
General Category => Anything & Everything => Topic started by: Lee Borgersen on May 05/30/20, 08:29:26 AM
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:angry2: How to disburse da protester crowds! :mad1:
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So, how do da authorities disburse all dem unruly protesters. Seems dat fighting violence wit violence is not an option at dis time! Let's hear any suggestions ya might have. One ting I remember dat worked during and Israelis conflict against da Palestinian protesters as day were trow-n rocks and rioting against da Jews. Da Jewish military used giant water cannons filled wit some kind of horrible smelling concoction. Da stink was so horrific dat da protesters fled da area as day were drenched wit dis stuff! :happy1:
Anyone else have some thoughts??? :confused:
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Yup! But no comment..
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Yup! But no comment..
Dat's Ok Bro!... :bow: .
I tink I kin read yer mind bro and I would probably agree wit cha! :happy1:
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they gota do something, it spilling into residental neighborhoods now,
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No, they don't have to do anything. They can let the city burn to the ground. Let the Fortune 500 companies pack up and leave. Hand out free money to the oppressed to re-build. At which point we can claim the title of "The nations #1 welfare state."
Seriously, why would anybody care what the taxpayers think anyway? Would we maybe make Walz uncomfortable?
Mistake #1 was the cop killing somebody.
Mistake #2 not closing all freeways in & out of Minnesota.
Mistake #3 not cracking heads when the riots started.
Mistake #4 thinking you can put the cork back in the bottle now.
Mistake #5 thinking they can stop Minneapolis from burning tonight.
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I lived in the Cedar/Riverside area in 1980. My favorite place to shoot pool back then was destroyed. (Hexagon Bar, est in 1934) This is very unreal and very sad.
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Yup! But no comment..
I’d happily donate to that cause LPS...be cheaper than what I’ll pay out in taxes to rebuild that area.
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I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
:mad1: :mad1: :angry2: :angry2:
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna :puke: :puke:
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I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
:mad1: :mad1: :angry2: :angry2:
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna :puke: :puke:
If you want ta protect yer business just paint Black Owner on da store front. Dat's what da latest defense is according ta da news I watched it dis mornin! :crazy:
Or :scratch:
Just paint MNO member & let us know how dat works out fur ya! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Did you see the black guy and his family that owned a cafe or bar type place? Guys were breaking in whilst they were there and took everything as they watched. Sad as heck! What is wrong with these people? They have arrested a lot of people and most of them are not even from here. Oh ya our taxes will pay for it. Our insurance rates will climb to pay for the damage they incur too. And they burned down the under construction apt building that was being built for them..... Give em cheap tents to live in now. Maybe they will move to Chicago.
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This was found painted on the buildings that were ruined: ACAB. All Cops are Bastards was written on the buildings that were eventually burned looted etc. SO they were targeted by the extremists or whoever is a want to be...
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Cops won last night. By shutting down the freeways and splitting the crowds they were able to keep things disorganized. Tonight we will see if the tactic works again.
Special thanks to all the guardsman and cops for getting out front and keeping us safe. :happy1:
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I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………
I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….
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I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………
I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….
What if you are a UPS driver and you have the scum climbing in the back of your trailer? Feeling safe? At the point they close freeways it's no longer about individual rights or needs. It's about ending the riots & restoring order.
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I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………
I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….
What if you are a UPS driver and you have the scum climbing in the back of your trailer? Feeling safe? At the point they close freeways it's no longer about individual rights or needs. It's about ending the riots & restoring order.
I hear ya and understand completely...…...i'd be a bit pissed if I couldn't do my job though.
I understand now better the WHY they shut them down. to bad it has to get to this...……...I mean what does this type of violence solve!!!! last nite on the#4 we where literally watching some people lighting stuff and throwing it at a building to try and start it on fire. I hope they catch these jerkoffs and they get lengthy prision sentences.
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I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
:mad1: :mad1: :angry2: :angry2:
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna :puke: :puke:
If you want ta protect yer business just paint Black Owner on da store front. Dat's what da latest defense is according ta da news I watched it dis mornin! :crazy:
Or :scratch:
Just paint MNO member & let us know how dat works out fur ya! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Essays
'I've Had to Paint 'Black Owned Business' on My Minneapolis Bar During the Riots'
By Tony Zaccardi On 5/29/20 at 12:24 PM EDT
I acquired Palmer's Bar a couple of years ago. I just celebrated my two-year anniversary as owner, but we've been closed since March because of the COVID-19 pandemic. I woke up and had a good cry that morning. The bar is still shut down, it's a very weird time.
And then these riots started a few nights ago, it's heartbreaking. George Floyd was a bouncer at a bar not far from here. I didn't know him, but I know people that did know him and worked with him over the years. Everyone's hurting.
We all saw that video and had the same reaction. It was heartbreaking.
But now with the riots and the looting—though I don't often discuss race or get political—I felt I had to write a "Black Owned Business" sign on Palmer's Bar.
I'm not trying to capitalize on being black, but if anything works, why not give it a try?
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See, now you are assuming these thugs can read.
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.
But Seriously,
I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.
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I don't know but I do wonder if he actually did this to incite more violence.
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There are 1,000's of Black on Black gang deaths across this country every year with kids and grandma's dying in the crossfire, and not one Target has been looted or burnt down. Where's Mr. Sharpton then? :confused:
The Black community needs to start accepting there is a larger problem there then with a few bad cops.
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.
But Seriously,
I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.
I talked to my brother who lives N of the TC Saturday nite to make sure he was safe along with his niece who lives not far from the 35W bridge. He said the same thing about the disconnect Auggie & he's lived in the TC area for over 50 years after leaving the farm. Last I checked it was illegal for pedestrians and bicylists to be on interstate highways in the first place. Even we rocks and cows know better than to drive our tractors on them. So looks like we've devolved into selectively picking and choosing what laws are enforced depending on who's breaking them. Swell. :confused:
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
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Since there were no barriers he went through or around, and he hit the horn and the brakes when he saw the crowd and then stopped in the middle of the mob at considerable personal risk, my opinion, pending further evidence, is that he was driving along the freeway and suddenly what should appear but a whole mob of people. At the minimum we need a timeline of what the state patrol did and when did they do it with respect to "closing" the highway?
Got a lot of lynch mob mentality around these days.
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Yeah, my guess is he was just looking to get thru the mob without sustaining any vandalism to his truck.
In hindsight, he ought to have stopped well short of the mob and/or turned around and/or called 911 for a police escort.
If he would have wanted to injure or kill people, he would swerved with intent as the mob scattered.
As it was, it looks as if there was an individual (0:18 into the video) who fell or laid in the path of the truck and forced him to stop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7Dw73VGEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7Dw73VGEs)
Update: MINNESOTA DPS COMMISSIONER JOHN HARRINGTON: SEMI-TRUCK DRIVER 'PANICKED' AS HE APPROACHED PROTESTERS (https://www.kimt.com/content/news/Minnesota-DPS-commisioner-Semi-truck-driver-panicked-as-he-approached-protesters-570924801.html)
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:confused:
Semi-truck nearly plows???? into Minneapolis protesters :scratch: on highway bridge.
Reporting Video .....
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Minneapolis+truck+protesters&&view=detail&mid=87B70BA4355FD6C2609287B70BA4355FD6C26092&&FORM=VDRVRV
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:pouty: i jusyt hope that at 10 pm tonight i can sit down and watch a freakin normal newscast. ya know like weather, sports, maybe a little other news......hell even a blurb or 2 of da corona!!!!!! :doofus:
let'em burn up the city!!!!!! its only gonna effect them later.......i dont see the target or alot of other businesses rebuild.......... there gonna say here it is have at it, where ya gonna get your stuff now. and the only real people that are gonna be hurt by this is the elderly!!!!!
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:pouty: i jusyt hope that at 10 pm tonight i can sit down and watch a freakin normal newscast. ya know like weather, sports, maybe a little other news......hell even a blurb or 2 of da corona!!!!!! :doofus:
let'em burn up the city!!!!!! its only gonna effect them later.......i dont see the target or alot of other businesses rebuild.......... there gonna say here it is have at it, where ya gonna get your stuff now. and the only real people that are gonna be hurt by this is the elderly!!!!!
True and false Glenn.
It’s going to impact greater Mn as well. Our tax dollars from the land of rocks and cows has been paying for a lot of things in the metro for years. Including roads, stadiums and the like. While our road projects and others are delayed for decades at times.
You may be correct about the businesses not returning to the area. Look at LA after the riots 30 years later. But it will not only impact the elderly. It will impact us all. The Government handouts will continue to support the area for years to come.
And I agree, it would be nice to see a normal news cast. I’ve about given up watching. It just makes me more angry. But guess what, I haven’t started burning and looting yet :crazy: Think I’m gonna go enjoy a beer Or 2, or let’s be honest, 6 with a couple buddies at our local rocks and cows hangout tonight for the first time in months!! Forget about this $h*t for a few hours.
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Ok I am with you Auggie. I like to stay up on the news and don't watch Faux or CNN. BUT lately I have been turning it off early instead of watching all of it. We turn on something fun. Need to just get away from it at times. AND there is a difference between Protestors and Rioters. We have to remember that there were people of all colors there that wouldn't hurt a fly and were just as scared and appalled at the destruction as we are. And there were those that showed up to completely start the riot and destroy things. They do have a system too and know which places to target and how to enrage and manipulate the "thug" in people. And there were others that tasted blood and joined right in.
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.
But Seriously,
I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.
If I missed the sarcasm i'm sorry.
However let me correct a thing or two on your response.
1) It wasn't a open freeway. It was closed.
2) It was Sunday and maybe only you would be at work. Many others would have the day off.
I will agree the disconnect is huge. For many reasons. One of the reasons is people assume just because a person protests they are scum, lack a job, are on welfare, are looking to loot and vandalize.
Facts are that was a peaceful demonstration as guaranteed under the constitution. They were on the freeway because thats where the Law Enforcement wanted them. When you are on the 35 bridge there is nowhere to go. You are "controlled " from exit to exit. To lump them into the same class of people as the looters would be like saying all farmers are uneducated and only survive under government farming programs.
As far as the semi goes, it was speculated he was on the freeway system when it was closed down. Last I heard they couldn't find footage of him going around a barricade or anything. I will say he was going far to fast. I will say he was likely scared for his life. Being Russian i'm guessing he barely speaks English and can hardly drive a truck. (stereotyping him I know, but I've interacted with enough Russian truck drivers to have a pretty good guess) Him being arrested does two things.
1) gives the cops time to figure out what happened.
2) kept him out of the protesters hands who would no doubt beat him to a pulp.
Sorry if I offended some here but i've read far to many bs theories on what should have been or could have been done. This is a bad deal with a guy getting murdered by the cops. No justifying that. However a lot of factors went into the looting and lawlessness we saw, not all of it preventable. I'm no buddy of Walz, fact is I don't like him but I think over-all he has done a pretty good job with this. As well as we can expect I suppose.
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I agree with you DB. Lots of entities working here too. AND this is not a racist thing at all. Just a human that killed another human and was on tape. BLM seems to inflate and make things worse for everyone in my eyes. It is always a racial thing to them meaning to me that they are endorsing racism. Like has been said there were 3 or 4 ethnicities of cops involved here so racism is out of the mix as far as I am concerned to me. Just inflated values that made a huge difference as to how this was handled.
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I had to type and erase a few times before replying to this one. My opinions. First off I don't give a damn what color, race, sex, or if you wear your wife's panties but what is going on in this country from people of all shades is WRONG.
Do I agree with how that arrest was handled? Not at all. So people protest and this turns to violence. IMO...At the point it turned violent or destructive behavior they turned into criminals. They are no longer protesters. They put the lives of people in danger, businesses destroyed resulting in the loss of jobs for others. The man who spent every penny to buy his dream business (who did not even have insurance on it yet) lost his dream and his savings. For what?? So the criminals can feel they won?
Then we have the issue of the officers, fire crews, first responders and military who have to put their lives on the line to protect the innocent and even the criminals during this mess. They have to walk into that destruction under a stand down order so basically with their hands tied so some politician can try to make himself look better.
We have a worthless Governer in this state who feels it is more important to provide apologies and lip service to the criminals who are causing this mess then it is to stop it. Gee maybe this curfew should have been put in place like ohhhh Fri at the lateste? Utilize the National Gaurd but don't tie their hands. Let them do what needs to be done. If that means a few criminals might get shot with less that lethal or lead then so be it. They should not have been there robbing and looting. Just before anyone thinks they did no do a great job down there, it is not the case. They have done great with what they were allowed. Had this assembly of personnel been allowed and put together earlier some of this destruction may be been avoided.
The truck driver....Fact..he did not drive around a barrier. He passed just before they put it up. My guess he had no clues why they were putting it up. In most cities, they put them up all the time for construction. Could he have thought it was construction and he was the last vehicle to pass before they shut it down? if you look at the brake lights he is applying them about the time he sees the crowd. These trucks do not stop anywhere close to a car. They take a lot of time to stop. IMO again...once they started jumping on my truck it would be grab a gear and hang on time.
Thats my rant for the day....now as for dispersing this trash.... Firetruck with dyed ink-water sprayed to mark the trouble mark the criminals and for better identification. Rubber bullets groin level to prevent future breeding.
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Charges: Illinois man went to Minneapolis to riot :pouty:
:reporter; Associated Press 1 hr ago
:popcorn: MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — An Illinois man who allegedly traveled to Minneapolis to participate in riots after the death of George Floyd has been arrested and charged with federal counts, after prosecutors say videos posted to his Facebook page showed him handing out explosives and damaging property.
Matthew Lee Rupert, 28, of Galesburg, Illinois, was arrested in Chicago and charged Monday by criminal complaint with three counts, including civil disorder, carrying on a riot and possession of unregistered destructive devices.
According to an FBI affidavit, Rupert posted self-recorded videos on his Facebook page last week that show him in Minneapolis. In one video, he is seen handing out explosive devices to others and encouraging them to throw them at law enforcement. He's also shown damaging property and attempting to light a business on fire. In that video, Rupert says: “We come to riot, boy! This is what we came for!” :doofus:
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I think as time passes we will see more and more arrested for the rioting & looting. Between cameras at and around most businesses and the public all walking around with cameras needing to be important these guys will be identified.
No brainiacs in the crowd that need to video & post EVERYTHING including his own confession on the net.
Scenic I agree with most everything you posted.
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Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?
Seriously?
How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?
Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.
But Seriously,
I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.
If I missed the sarcasm i'm sorry.
However let me correct a thing or two on your response.
1) It wasn't a open freeway. It was closed.
2) It was Sunday and maybe only you would be at work. Many others would have the day off.
I will agree the disconnect is huge. For many reasons. One of the reasons is people assume just because a person protests they are scum, lack a job, are on welfare, are looking to loot and vandalize.
Facts are that was a peaceful demonstration as guaranteed under the constitution. They were on the freeway because thats where the Law Enforcement wanted them. When you are on the 35 bridge there is nowhere to go. You are "controlled " from exit to exit. To lump them into the same class of people as the looters would be like saying all farmers are uneducated and only survive under government farming programs.
As far as the semi goes, it was speculated he was on the freeway system when it was closed down. Last I heard they couldn't find footage of him going around a barricade or anything. I will say he was going far to fast. I will say he was likely scared for his life. Being Russian i'm guessing he barely speaks English and can hardly drive a truck. (stereotyping him I know, but I've interacted with enough Russian truck drivers to have a pretty good guess) Him being arrested does two things.
1) gives the cops time to figure out what happened.
2) kept him out of the protesters hands who would no doubt beat him to a pulp.
Sorry if I offended some here but i've read far to many bs theories on what should have been or could have been done. This is a bad deal with a guy getting murdered by the cops. No justifying that. However a lot of factors went into the looting and lawlessness we saw, not all of it preventable. I'm no buddy of Walz, fact is I don't like him but I think over-all he has done a pretty good job with this. As well as we can expect I suppose.
Dutch boy, from what I can tell our view points are not that far apart..but yet they are.
Not once have I said people don't have a right to protest. But breaking the law while doing it is a different story. And the fact is nobody should have been on that freeway if it was closed...not only the law but basic common sense should govern that..
Correct.... Your statement about farmers living off government subsidies and being uneducated is no different than you THINKING I lump all of the protesters together...
The amount of dollars spent on the farm programs, actual farm related programs is a drop in the bucket compared to the welfare portion of the farm bill. In fact around 80% of the farm bill is welfare and or food stamp related in some shape or form. Again more disconnect. The urban area wants cheap food but doesn't understand what it takes to produce it. And they should be happy supporting the farm programs because much more of it supports them than the guy raising their food..
So your telling me the disaster that has went on between Tuesday and Saturday (I'm giving you Sunday off)in this country, and started again Monday, not just MN, was done by mostly people that work. :bs: the vast majority are not working, a large number of them are on assistance, and a large number of them did intend to loot and vandalize.
Now I don't care if your red,yellow,green,purple,black,white or any other color.....but if you spent the time working instead of protesting we would all be better off. If your unfortunate, and out of a job....Start cleaning up. Many did and I applaud that! That's going to go much further to help your cause and the divide between black/white/rural/urban/cop/civilian than protest, looting, burning, riots, and or destruction ever will...
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Now I don't care if your red,yellow,green,purple,black,white or any other color.....but if you spent the time working instead of protesting we would all be better off.
How bout Blue, you didn't say Blue? :sleazy:
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ooh la la!!!!!!!! :hubba: :hubba: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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ooh la la!!!!!!!! :hubba: :hubba: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
only a smurf!!!! too funny!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1: :happy1:
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George Floyd’s obituary.....
While I don't agree with the way he met his demise he certainly was NOT a pillar of the community.
GEORGE FLOYD (1974-2020)
George Floyd, 46, died while being arrested for passing a counterfeit twenty dollar bill in Minneapolis, Mn., on May 25, 2020. George was a lifelong drug addict and career criminal whose interests included selling cocaineand fentanyl, robbing defenseless women during home invasions, and spending time in prison among others like him. The cause of death is undetermined but George, unsurprisingly, tested positive for methamphetamine and fentanyl, two of his favorite recreationaldrugs.
George recently moved to Minneapolis to get a fresh start and to leave Houston, where he had accumulated at least three convictions for drug offenses and aggravated robbery while armed with a firearm. The fact that his most recent arrest was for a non-violent offense shows that George had finally found his way.
George is survived by several children from several different baby mommas, none of whom had seen him for years because he was only recently released from Texas State Prison after serving a five yearsentence for his robbery conviction.
Funeral services will be held on various dates all over the country to honor this pillar of society. Mourners are invited to join violent :taz: demonstrations to honor George's memory. Molotov cocktailsare requested in lieu of flowers. Murdering :happy1: an innocent police officer with a wife and young children would also be an acceptable way of demonstrating our respect for George. :bonk: :banghead:
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Everyone try saying "I can't breath" while holding your breath. Dude died of a heart attack brought on by the struggle. You can't talk if you can't breath. Just a Fact no one is bring up.
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Well, you can exhale and say it. Just can't inhale. And the guy was kneeling on the artery bringing blood to the brain, knocks you out and then kills you pretty fast, which is why those mma dudes are always trying for various chokes. Of course they are a lot easier if the opponent is handcuffed like George Floyd was.
Hey Borgie, you trying to say the cop was justified in killing him while handcuffed and not struggling? Just because he wasn't a good citizen?
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Well, you can exhale and say it. Just can't inhale. And the guy was kneeling on the artery bringing blood to the brain, knocks you out and then kills you pretty fast, which is why those mma dudes are always trying for various chokes. Of course they are a lot easier if the opponent is handcuffed like George Floyd was.
Hey Borgie, you trying to say the cop was justified in killing him while handcuffed and not struggling? Just because he wasn't a good citizen?
:doofus: :doofus: there ya go again drawing unfounded conclusions!!!!!
read his very first sentence, after the big bold red.
my take on Lee's post.............for all the attention this guy got and the funeral coverage this guy got was more then alot of presidents get, hell i watched the funeral of Chris Kyle, it resembled that!! Lee is merely, in my mind, pointing out the 3 ring circus this guy got for being a lifetime criminal.
AND NO, I DO NOT AGREE HE SHOULD OF DIED THE WAY HE DID. everyone seems to forget, he did something to draw the attention of the police.......... the police did not go looking for him. dont break the law......cops leave ya alone.
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Well, you can exhale and say it. Just can't inhale. And the guy was kneeling on the artery bringing blood to the brain, knocks you out and then kills you pretty fast, which is why those mma dudes are always trying for various chokes. Of course they are a lot easier if the opponent is handcuffed like George Floyd was.
Hey Borgie, you trying to say the cop was justified in killing him while handcuffed and not struggling? Just because he wasn't a good citizen?
First off Glenn tanks fur lookin out fur my proper Actual Quotes
delcecchi Ma Brotha...Ma Brotha yer mistakin :doah: Dems is yer words not mine :tut: Ya can't put words in my mouth dat I didn't even say. :crazy:
Peace be wit ya Ma Brotha :happy1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O8gTIr4lys
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Everyone try saying "I can't breath" while holding your breath. Dude died of a heart attack brought on by the struggle. You can't talk if you can't breath. Just a Fact no one is bring up.
Not what medical examiner official cause of death was.
And Smurfy "dont break the law......cops leave ya alone." you sounding like a small town guy. And not living in a high crime area. Ever hear of "stop and frisk" ?
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Yea, so????
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Everyone try saying "I can't breath" while holding your breath. Dude died of a heart attack brought on by the struggle. You can't talk if you can't breath. Just a Fact no one is bring up.
Not what medical examiner official cause of death was.
And Smurfy "dont break the law......cops leave ya alone." you sounding like a small town guy. And not living in a high crime area. Ever hear of "stop and frisk" ?
Actually it was. You may be thinking of the medical examine paid for by the family? (usually you get what you pay for)
(CNN) Experts hired by George Floyd's family and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner have concluded his death was a homicide, but they differ on what caused it.
The independent autopsy says Floyd died of "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" when his neck and back were compressed by Minneapolis police officers during his arrest last week. The pressure cut off blood flow to his brain, that autopsy determined.
But the medical examiner's office, in its report also released Monday, said that the cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." Cardiopulmonary arrest means Floyd's heart failed.
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cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating... because
"complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." ie because the cop was kneeling on his neck.
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Their autopsy was done after charges were made on the officers. The State examiner did his autopsy before charges were made. So that may have had an affect on the terminology of the results too.
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cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating... because
"complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." ie because the cop was kneeling on his neck.
Doctor Del, wrong again!
A cardiac arrest is also called a cardiopulmonary arrest or circulatory arrest and indicates a sudden stop in effective and normal blood circulation due to failure of the heart to pump blood. :bonk: :bonk: :surrender:
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cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating... because
"complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." ie because the cop was kneeling on his neck.
Doctor Del, wrong again!
A cardiac arrest is also called a cardiopulmonary arrest or circulatory arrest and indicates a sudden stop in effective and normal blood circulation due to failure of the heart to pump blood. :bonk: :bonk: :surrender:
And a heart attack is called an MI or Myocardial Infarction. Did you see that anywhere in the medical examiner report?
Why are you so determined to conclude that a cop kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes or so had nothing to do with him dying?
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cardiopulmonary arrest means he stopped breathing and his heart stopped beating... because
"complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." ie because the cop was kneeling on his neck.
Doctor Del, wrong again!
A cardiac arrest is also called a cardiopulmonary arrest or circulatory arrest and indicates a sudden stop in effective and normal blood circulation due to failure of the heart to pump blood. :bonk: :bonk: :surrender:
And a heart attack is called an MI or Myocardial Infarction. Did you see that anywhere in the medical examiner report?
Why are you so determined to conclude that a cop kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes or so had nothing to do with him dying?
Del, of course I am very sorry that this man died this way. But, I do believe in all things that clarity not going on just feelings must be stated or truth will never be told in any of these issues.
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what difference does it friggin make........da guy died!!!!!!!! :doah: :embarrassed:
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Wish I could like that one about 50 times Steve. :happy1:
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Del, of course I am very sorry that this man died this way. But, I do believe in all things that clarity not going on just feelings must be stated or truth will never be told in any of these issues.
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Yep, I'm all for truth as well, even if it shows stuff we find it hard to believe could happen.
I find it hard to believe that it was just a coincidence that George died of a heart attack while a cop happened to be kneeling on his neck. I also find it disturbing, if true, that he continued kneeling on neck for a couple minutes after George lost consciousness and another cop couldn't find a pulse.
The videos I have seen show no struggle although I have not seen any that show what happened as they were trying to get George to get in the car or if he was in the car, what happened in there. Body cam or any in car video hasn't been released. We will see it if there is a trial and not a plea deal.
You should at least consider that this was a case of excessive force by a police officer. The reasons for it have yet to be revealed. Was it personal, because they knew each other from working security at same club in Minneapolis? Had they had previous encounters? Was it just because he was a big strong black dude who wasn't perfectly cooperative and the cop was going to show him who was boss?
We need the body cam video to be sure. But it sure seems likely to me that this was indeed a case of excessive force that killed a man. Maybe it was bad luck, like sucker punching someone and they get knocked down and hit their head and die. But cop should have known better and done better is my preliminary opinion.
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I too believe something happened when they tried putting him in the car and we are not getting to see it. Even though once they had him on the ground and handcuffed he didn't need to keep his knee on his neck. That is where the whole situation went bad.
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:sleazy: I see where the politicians in st paul are pissing on one another. :rotflmao: Walz wants to set up a fund to help support law enforcement when these trials start.
Gazelka says pack sand to Minneapolis, they wanna cut the police department deal with it. :rotflmao: I agree. :happy1:
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Sounds like Chauvin had a habit of going apecrap on folks...
https://www.twincities.com/2021/02/02/dont-kill-me-others-tell-of-abuse-by-officer-who-knelt-on-george-floyd/
I still think there might well have been something personal with him and Floyd. I think they knew each other from working security at same joint.
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:sleazy: I see where the politicians in st paul are pissing on one another. :rotflmao: Walz wants to set up a fund to help support law enforcement when these trials start.
Gazelka says pack sand to Minneapolis, they wanna cut the police department deal with it. :rotflmao: I agree. :happy1:
The whole state is going to have a problem on their hands when this trial starts but moreso the metro area. All the trouble makers from out of town will show up and fan the flames (see what I did there) when these trials start. There is little chance that everybody but Chavin gets off with maybe suspensions or probation. I'm not sure they will even lose their jobs. That will be enough to light the match. If there is enough video evidence to get a reduced sentence for Chavin then it will really set things off. Keep in mind it will be early summer or late spring before these trials are getting over. Warm weather, nice nights, no ice & snow. Why wouldn't people riot?
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yohh i hear ya.........not disagreeing one bit. dont matter Floyd had 2 illegal drugs in his system that was probablt gonna kill him anyway!!
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yohh i hear ya.........not disagreeing one bit. dont matter Floyd had 2 illegal drugs in his system that was probablt gonna kill him anyway!!
Still not no reason for a cop to hurry the process.
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yohh i hear ya.........not disagreeing one bit. dont matter Floyd had 2 illegal drugs in his system that was probablt gonna kill him anyway!!
Still not no reason for a cop to hurry the process.
never said it was Del.......maybe iffin he didnt pass a counterfeit bill .......................... he'd of never had that police encounter!!!!!!
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everyone seems to forget that floyd is the one who started the whole thing with illegal activities... and I'm not saying what happened to him was right either.. just sayin..................
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I reckon this will be the biggest national trial since OJ.
And God help the Twin Cities if the mob disagrees with the verdict.
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yohh i hear ya.........not disagreeing one bit. dont matter Floyd had 2 illegal drugs in his system that was probablt gonna kill him anyway!!
I'm not arguing. The metro is going to burn and the verdict won't matter which ever way it goes.
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yohh i hear ya.........not disagreeing one bit. dont matter Floyd had 2 illegal drugs in his system that was probablt gonna kill him anyway!!
I'm not arguing. The metro is going to burn and the verdict won't matter which ever way it goes.
When is this suppose to start so I can head up north for a few days. Better board up the Targets and Footlocker stores. The looting has nothing to do with this, it has to do with Air Jordon's! :bs:
Look like his "Fair Trial" will be. :Jury selection in Chauvin's "prosecution" was set for March 8 with opening statements slated for no earlier than March 29, according to the ruling by Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill.
Sounds like he's already sentenced? :confused:
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And when it hits the fan there will be all of the extremists of every cause there to make things worse. THAT will be a problem again!!!
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And when it hits the fan there will be all of the extremists of every cause there to make things worse. THAT will be a problem again!!!
With some of our elected representatives like Omar & the 1 from Georgia eggin 'em on. :pouty: :thumbs: How soon are the mid terms? :mad1:
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So, 20 bucks is a misdemeanor, right? In rochester that will get you 2 days of supervised probation.
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So, 20 bucks is a misdemeanor, right? In rochester that will get you 2 days of supervised probation.
it was counterfeit that's federal. What part of that don't you get.
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Just like movin ANYTHING stolen across state lines. Used to be called RICO
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Law enforcement doesn't need to be real sophisticated these days. Since 9-11 they can pin just about anything under the terrorism act if they want to. Counterfeit money could be laundered to send over seas correct? It's a stretch but doable. :cool:
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So, 20 bucks is a misdemeanor, right? In rochester that will get you 2 days of supervised probation.
Yep and the FBI will be all over that dude that happened to show up at the store with a fake 20.... :crazy:
Looks like Chauvin got his rocks off kneeling on people's heads, from the media reports. Guess his wife wasn't into it.
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Be interesting to see how much of that type of info winds up being hearsay del. After seeing the transcript and most of the arrest recordings then reading about the contents of the toxicology report, Ellison is going to have his hands full especially if these guys are lawyered up like I suspect they are. Ellison is cocky and arrogant. This won't be as easy as rolling some poor outstate restaurant owner schlep with governor Killjoy's mandate. Wondering if that's part of why the prosecution is after the murder 3 charge as well so at least they have more options to make something stick.
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So, 20 bucks is a misdemeanor, right? In rochester that will get you 2 days of supervised probation.
Yep and the FBI will be all over that dude that happened to show up at the store with a fake 20.... :crazy:
Looks like Chauvin got his rocks off kneeling on people's heads, from the media reports. Guess his wife wasn't into it.
the FBI maybe wasn't but looks like the police were. Like I keep saying if he hadn't did anything illegal, there wouldn't of been any police. I'm not saying he should of died.
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Be interesting to see how much of that type of info winds up being hearsay del. After seeing the transcript and most of the arrest recordings then reading about the contents of the toxicology report, Ellison is going to have his hands full especially if these guys are lawyered up like I suspect they are. Ellison is cocky and arrogant. This won't be as easy as rolling some poor outstate restaurant owner schlep with governor Killjoy's mandate. Wondering if that's part of why the prosecution is after the murder 3 charge as well so at least they have more options to make something stick.
We will never know since apparently none of the complaints were really investigated. I still think there probably was something personal there, but it could have just been Chauvin's thing. But the videos I have seen are pretty bad for him.
Usually I defend cops but this time not so sure. I guess we will find out more at trial, hopefully. I'm glad I am 80 miles away.
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Like I mentioned earlier I think Chavin gets convicted, but he won't go for life. The other guys will get something on their record but I will be surprised if it leads to any jail time. Chavin had seniority and that's how the defense will play it.
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By the way, it isn't "disbursed" I thing that has to do with payday....
Perhaps it should be Dispersed? Bugs me everytime I see the header...
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We will never know since apparently none of the complaints were really investigated. I still think there probably was something personal there, but it could have just been Chauvin's thing. But the videos I have seen are pretty bad for him.
Usually I defend cops but this time not so sure. I guess we will find out more at trial, hopefully. I'm glad I am 80 miles away.
May be you should take a look at the whole video Del instead of the chopped up versions you saw on CBS, CNN, ABC
He resisters every minute. He starts yelling about being claustrophobic going into the police SUV right after they pulled him out of his own SUV. He starts yelling "I can't Breath" in the back of the police SUV before he kicks himself out the other side. Then starts saying I can't breath again.
Please don't take my would for it. Ask a medical professional or have your wife choke you and try to say "I can't Breath" It's physically impossible to make sound without air going through your vocal cords!
And don't give me your he can if he was exhaling! :rolleyes: Watch the video with the time rolling, he yelled for minutes when he hit the ground. How much air could he have in his lungs to keep yelling with one breath! :bonk:
https://youtu.be/0gQYMBALDXc
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Like I said, agree with what happened or not, Ellison has his work cut out for him. 3x the fatal rate of fentanyl + a methamphetamine kicker? Fake $20 bill or not, the cops had a situation to deal with. Incidentally, the knee on the neck treatment to the carotid artery is the same one we use when we encounter a ram being a PITA while shearing. Most of the time they're fine but every once in a while one wants to try the shearer on. The helper, (me) places his knee on the neck to control the 300+ lb. 4 wheel drive mass of testosterone who'd just as soon kill you as look at you. They can breathe and since only one side of their neck is constricted there is no problem. Looks ugly but since the ram isn't on drugs, there's no issue.
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You ever have heart disease? One of the symptoms is shortness of breath, and those opioids aggravate it. And so does compressing the nerves and arteries in you neck, like those MMA guys do. They call it a choke hold but it is not like strangulation.
Wasn't he cuffed and in the back of a squad car, and they pulled him out and onto the ground? I still think Floyd and Chauvin knew each other, and Chauvin had a tendency to go overboard with physical stuff. But, maybe he was just unlucky that a guy died coincidently from drugs or cardiac arrest while he was kneeling on his neck.
I will be interested to see what all happens at the trial with competing experts.
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It is common knowledge that they did know each other. They both worked at the same club after hours doing security. They didn't get along.
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When they stick Chavin in the Big House he will wish it was him who died. Gonna be some bad people awaiting his arrival.
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You ever have heart disease? One of the symptoms is shortness of breath, and those opioids aggravate it. And so does compressing the nerves and arteries in you neck, like those MMA guys do. They call it a choke hold but it is not like strangulation.
Wasn't he cuffed and in the back of a squad car, and they pulled him out and onto the ground? I still think Floyd and Chauvin knew each other, and Chauvin had a tendency to go overboard with physical stuff. But, maybe he was just unlucky that a guy died coincidently from drugs or cardiac arrest while he was kneeling on his neck.
I will be interested to see what all happens at the trial with competing experts.
Well even though you live 80 miles away as you stated. You know all tendencies of police office Chauvin. You are a perfect example of who they want on the prosecution jury. The Media has done well at educating another. 🙄
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When they stick Chavin in the Big House he will wish it was him who died. Gonna be some bad people awaiting his arrival.
i agree. even if he is found quilty, of anything, his lawyers will appeal. unless you've lived under a rock since this happened i dont know how they find a jury that hasnt been informed or known about this case.
and think him and his wife are also in hot water over this divorce and not reporting income.
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You ever have heart disease? One of the symptoms is shortness of breath, and those opioids aggravate it. And so does compressing the nerves and arteries in you neck, like those MMA guys do. They call it a choke hold but it is not like strangulation.
Wasn't he cuffed and in the back of a squad car, and they pulled him out and onto the ground? I still think Floyd and Chauvin knew each other, and Chauvin had a tendency to go overboard with physical stuff. But, maybe he was just unlucky that a guy died coincidently from drugs or cardiac arrest while he was kneeling on his neck.
I will be interested to see what all happens at the trial with competing experts.
Well even though you live 80 miles away as you stated. You know all tendencies of police office Chauvin. You are a perfect example of who they want on the prosecution jury. The Media has done well at educating another. 🙄
And you think Chauvin was the second coming of Mr Rogers. I read the media. But that's why I am waiting for the trial, maybe then we will know.
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Del, not even I think Chauvin is the second coming of Mr. Rogers, but you seem to forget hadnt floyd did something illegal we wouldnt be at this point. and yea if Chauvin and him had issues in the past Chauvin isnt in the clear.
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You ever have heart disease? One of the symptoms is shortness of breath, and those opioids aggravate it. And so does compressing the nerves and arteries in you neck, like those MMA guys do. They call it a choke hold but it is not like strangulation.
Wasn't he cuffed and in the back of a squad car, and they pulled him out and onto the ground? I still think Floyd and Chauvin knew each other, and Chauvin had a tendency to go overboard with physical stuff. But, maybe he was just unlucky that a guy died coincidently from drugs or cardiac arrest while he was kneeling on his neck.
I will be interested to see what all happens at the trial with competing experts.
Well even though you live 80 miles away as you stated. You know all tendencies of police office Chauvin. You are a perfect example of who they want on the prosecution jury. The Media has done well at educating another. 🙄
And you think Chauvin was the second coming of Mr Rogers. I read the media. But that's why I am waiting for the trial, maybe then we will know.
No I'm sure Mr. Floyd was an up standing citizen who had nothing to hide. It's to bad he just didn't comply by walking over to the police offices suv. Go down town and review his charges and be released to go about his day. No matter what the media spun on this incident. There was still a video for all fair minded people to watch. What I saw was a man who resisted since the time he was confronted with his possible crime. It's to bad he didn't resist and was still here today doing wonderful things for society. :coffee:
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Well, I'm glad the cops didn't fill the dude in my garbage can full of lead, even though he had a big knife. It would be really hard to scrub the garage floor in this kind of weather.
But seriously, a fake 20 that he probably didn't even know was fake? And rather than give him a summons they cuffed him and put him in the back of a squad, then dragged him out again and all that followed? Did he like have a warrant for something? Was he a danger to society?
And when he became unresponsive, keep kneeling on his neck for another couple minutes? Should have had one of those MMA referees there to stop the fight... TKO Chauvin 8 minutes of the first round...
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Well, I'm glad the cops didn't fill the dude in my garbage can full of lead, even though he had a big knife. It would be really hard to scrub the garage floor in this kind of weather.
But seriously, a fake 20 that he probably didn't even know was fake? And rather than give him a summons they cuffed him and put him in the back of a squad, then dragged him out again and all that followed? Did he like have a warrant for something? Was he a danger to society?
And when he became unresponsive, keep kneeling on his neck for another couple minutes? Should have had one of those MMA referees there to stop the fight... TKO Chauvin 8 minutes of the first round...
Agreed. It was kind of crazy for an innocent person to resist to the point he did for a $20. Makes you think he may have been hiding so much more?
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I think sorting the facts from the BS is what a trial is for.
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If you are having some sort of medical/drug induced (pick one) emergency and somebody cuffs you and puts you in the back of a squad.... Maybe he was claustrophobic...
To paraphase the beck song... He's a loser baby, why don't you kill him...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PlMqsc5Cc
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If you are having some sort of medical/drug induced (pick one) emergency and somebody cuffs you and puts you in the back of a squad.... Maybe he was claustrophobic...
To paraphase the beck song... He's a loser baby, why don't you kill him...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7PlMqsc5Cc
So let's see. The cops who were responding to a call walked up to a car where they get only resistence. Not only cant they find out any information from the uncooperative suspect about a crime? Del thinks they should have been able to diagnose his medical condition as well? Not sure what to say? Judge Del :confused: :confused: Other then that's why we have due process. To keep folks like you from hanging people before they get their day in court. :doah:
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Well leech, We see the same stuff and come to different conclusions. I guess it will be settled in a few months when the trial is over and all the evidence is made public.
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Well leech, We see the same stuff and come to different conclusions. I guess it will be settled in a few months when the trial is over and all the evidence is made public.
Yeah, come on up from your warm cozy place down there to the cities where I live. Cuz either way all the folk that think like you will be getting free shoes and burning down Targets again. All in the name of "Justice" :crazy:
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Wow,this old thread still has life....maybe,just maybe if dim witt ellison would've released the entire arrest video this entire issue could've been disfused but he didn't for whatever reason,not until mpls burned down did we see the entire video showing floyd resisting,it took 4 cops to subdue this clown,kneeling on the perp to maintain control of a violent participant is protocol in enforement,this jack wagon even tho cuffed was resisting,he was a big strong dude,looking at chavin not so much but chavin partner's had his back,that's the way it works folks forget.
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Well leech, We see the same stuff and come to different conclusions. I guess it will be settled in a few months when the trial is over and all the evidence is made public.
Yeah, come on up from your warm cozy place down there to the cities where I live. Cuz either way all the folk that think like you will be getting free shoes and burning down Targets again. All in the name of "Justice" :crazy:
So true leech,I remember when these protest turned to a riot/looting a few years back in ferguson,24 hrs after the riot started folks/mobs all had new micheal jordans and and handful of "colt 45"....lol so true.
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Rioters gonna riot. Mayors gonna waffle. Governors gonna dodge. That's life...
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Rioters gonna riot. Mayors gonna waffle. Governors gonna dodge. That's life...
And Bleeding hearts going to bleed! Even when cops are flash and blood human-too!
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Yep, Chauvin was just the unluckiest cop in the whole universe, when after finally getting control of a rampaging guy in handcuffs, the guy up and dies on him and makes him look bad, just because he happened to be kneeling on the guys neck when it happened.
Yeah, cops have a hard job especially in big cities. That doesn't mean they don't do bad stuff sometimes. Look at the one that came home drunk, went in the wrong apartment, shot the guy in the apartment (his apartment) then tried to make up some story about it. Or the one in Rochester that got confused and shot a guy instead of tasing him. Grabbed wrong device.
As I have said before I am keeping an open mind on this one until I see what comes out at the trial. As for the riots, I think the mayor and the governor were negligent by not calling out the guard and shutting things down immediately at the first sign of vandalism. And they should have gone after the perps like they are in the DC thing.