Minnesota Outdoorsman
Hunting Forums => Food Plots - Land/Habitat Management => Topic started by: deadeye on December 12/05/20, 01:06:44 PM
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I will use this thread to time post updates on how the logging is or is not progressing. Most of you know 5 years ago we started working on getting some parts of our woods logged but for one reason or another, it either didn't happen or was delayed. It now looks like the current company intends to log it this winter. I will repost some older posts here to bring everyone up to date as to what has happened over the past 5 years. Mostly nothing. :rotflmao:
The pictures have nothing to do with logging but were taken in 2015 when we started working on the logging project which started with having a Forester update our Forest Stewardship Plan. The buck picture has nothing to do with logging but I know some of you have short attention spans and the pictures help you focus. :rotflmao:
I have to give the Forester credit for me getting this buck back in 2015. Because he scheduled an on site visit at 9:00 AM during the rifle season, I decided to go to a close stand so I could be back when he arrived. I may have been a tad late because I had to deal with this buck. The Forester still takes credit for this buck. He may well be right.
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The buck picture has nothing to do with logging but I know some of you have short attention spans and the pictures help you focus. :rotflmao:
If its our attention spans y'er worried about, maybe you ought to post some of HD's "fishing" pichurs. :scratch:
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The buck picture has nothing to do with logging but I know some of you have short attention spans and the pictures help you focus. :rotflmao:
If its our attention spans y'er worried about, maybe you ought to post some of HD's "fishing" pichurs. :scratch:
Then a lot of us wouldn't read any of the update(s) that Deadeye posts. :rotflmao:
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Being it's the last day of the seasons, I went to my property to do some grouse and possibly deer hunting. I ran into a couple guys making a swamp crossing that will be required for logging. Looks like it might just happen this year. Or, should I say next year. 2021.
Yesterday he broke through the ice with a skid steer and they brought a second one to get the stuck one out.
After scraping off the snow and grass, water flooded the area and froze. Strange for sure.
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The made this road from the field to the swamp edge.
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End of road. I didn't have the nerve to drive out where he was working with the skid steer.
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Nice road! Those guys know how to do it!
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Being it's the last day of the seasons, I went to my property to do some grouse and possibly deer hunting. I ran into a couple guys making a swamp crossing that will be required for logging. Looks like it might just happen this year. Or, should I say next year. 2021.
Yesterday he broke through the ice with a skid steer and they brought a second one to get the stuck one out.
After scraping off the snow and grass, water flooded the area and froze. Strange for sure.
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The made this road from the field to the swamp edge.
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End of road. I didn't have the nerve to drive out where he was working with the skid steer.
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So is all this mess for Deer habitat improvement? :scratch:
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Leech'',
Yes it is primarily for habitat improvement. It is well known that the best habitat should consist of different age class forest. A lot of the land I own was basically clear cut over 30 years ago. Now we need to cut some of the areas that were not cut back then. These are mature aspen stands that are starting to deteriorate. The overstory shades out the brush and soft mast that should grow on the forest floor. Believe me if there was another way to accomplish this I would do it. When we started this process about 5 years ago I told the forester that I am more interested in the habitat improvement than the few bucks I will get from selling the wood. As such I ask him to find a logger that will leave the least foot print on the land. I know there will be a big mess where it's logged. I'm not too concerned about the stumps and slash as they will rot over time. My biggest concern is rutting. I have seen the damage done to property during the logging process and do not want that to happen with this logging project. Yesterday I again expressed this concern with the logger. Time will tell.
Yesterday I walked through some of the area that will be logged because I wanted to remember what it looks like before it's logged. I know there will be a huge difference but that's to be expected. If nothing else the deer will have a feast for the next 4-5 years. I watched the forest recover after the 1989 logging. It's an amazing thing to experience.
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I hunted the Paul Bunyon for 30+ years so pretty familiar with logging, mainly clear cut logging. We had been chased around that forest from one end to another. I know over time it's suppose to help but it sure suks. When's it's your own land and it's planned. The pain may not hurt as much as having all your hunting parties stands wiped out every few years. :cry:
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There shouldn't be too much of an impact to our hunting. I'm have around 20 acres cut and my brother in law is logging about 30 acres. The areas will not be clear cut as they are taking aspen and birch. They will leave all the red, white and burr oaks and also to avoid regrowth areas. It doesn't make sense to plow through 50 feet of young growth to get a couple mature aspen. On my land only 4 stands will be impacted and only bear hunted a couple times from one of them. The biggest impact may be to some of our trails. I have discussed this and they plan to work around them and not block them off. We will see. Maybe they will make better trails and we can abandon some of our crappy ones. ;)
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This morning just as I was about to start a WEB training for IRS Tax certification I got a call from the forester saying they started logging my land this morning. So much for the contract that states they must give me 3 days notice. I finished the training at 1 PM and headed up to my land not sure of just what I would find. Good news is they were on my land. :rotflmao:
I was surprised at how much they had cut by the time I got there. Two Skidders were dragging trees that the Feller Buncher had cut to the Delimber. After that they dragged the logs to the Slasher where they were cut to lengths and piled for the trucks. It was fun to watch.
Here are some pictures I took today. It gives you a bit of an idea what the process looks like. I will take some more when and area is done.
Pictures are worth many words. So far I'm ok with what and how they are doing the logging.
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I’ve watched logging crews in the Chippewa work on some pretty big sites. Pretty impressive machinery and it’s surprising how quickly they can clear out a good sized area. Fun to watch.
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I’ve watched logging crews in the Chippewa work on some pretty big sites. Pretty impressive machinery and it’s surprising how quickly they can clear out a good sized area. Fun to watch.
the cabin is in the chippewa........do they leave the same absolute mess they do by us. :doofus:
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Lots of limbs and short logs, less than 6 feet are left behind. Some if it dozed into big piles. Those are mostly near the access roads so they have a scraped bare area to get trucks in and loaded. The rest is pretty much left where it falls. It’s not cost effective to clean it all up. It’s good for scrounging firewood if you’re willing to put in the time and effort. Just need to be careful walking through it or you might wind up with a broken leg.
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Nice DE.
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Looking good DE. I think all loggers leave the stuff laying on the ground.
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I agree JB, any done arouhd our place looks the same when they're done.
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Lots of limbs and short logs, less than 6 feet are left behind. Some if it dozed into big piles. Those are mostly near the access roads so they have a scraped bare area to get trucks in and loaded. The rest is pretty much left where it falls. It’s not cost effective to clean it all up. It’s good for scrounging firewood if you’re willing to put in the time and effort. Just need to be careful walking through it or you might wind up with a broken leg.
We spend a fair amount of time fishing firewood out of those piles on our trips to Canada. Some popple but mostly nice maple and birch to fire the sauna and wood stove in the cabin. Hook up the trailer and haul it back to camp to split. We do this while we're still coherent and one of us can still call an ambulance. :happy1:
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Looking good DE. I think all loggers leave the stuff laying on the ground.
Yea I agree but it's useless after there done. A person can't reasonably walk through on it. Bigger critters like deer avoid it and will take years before they can.
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I don't about that. Around here deer love them fresh cut areas. That new growth gives them a lot of browse thru the winter.
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I agree JB, but I've tried walking through some that specifically looking for tracks and didn't see much.
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Yea I agree but it's useless after there done. A person can't reasonably walk through on it. Bigger critters like deer avoid it and will take years before they can.
I don't about that. Around here deer love them fresh cut areas. That new growth gives them a lot of browse thru the winter.
I think you are both right. I used to hunt a spot that was heavily logged, but not clear cut. I can't call them piles, but there were many low mounds of branches that were spread on the ground. It was more like stepping thru them than over them. Best to to walk around and avoid those ankle breakers. But there weren't so many piles that kept the deer out and they did like the browse and cover. They'd pick their way into the popple patches and lay down for a long afternoon's nap.
It all depends on what the loggers do and how they leave things.
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On private land you can work with the logger to keep the downed trimmings in better piles. We hunted the Paul Bunyan for about 30 years which has been cut constantly forever for popple wood. On public land it's clear cut and go! Almost impossible to walk through for years. The deer will find any little trails they can to get through it and bed in it. We also heated our hunting shack ever year with downed wood from clear cuts. It was kind of sad to see so much good heating wood rot and some times whole stacked piles they never came back for. :cry:
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Well I might of been acting illegally taking that wood. :confused: :tut: not that I've ever done it. :tut: :angel: :rotflmao:
I know a while back you could NOT just go anywhere and get firewood. You where required to get a permit from the forestry dept and they directed you to what they called blow down areas :confused: I guess the idea was to prevent morons from cutting live trees.
With all the downed trees easy to access and going to waste, it's such a waste. :pouty: it's been a while since I've inquired about it so not sure what a person had to do now?? :scratch:
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Well I might of been acting illegally taking that wood. :confused: :tut: not that I've ever done it. :tut: :angel: :rotflmao:
I know a while back you could NOT just go anywhere and get firewood. You where required to get a permit from the forestry dept and they directed you to what they called blow down areas :confused: I guess the idea was to prevent morons from cutting live trees.
With all the downed trees easy to access and going to waste, it's such a waste. :pouty: it's been a while since I've inquired about it so not sure what a person had to do now?? :scratch:
You still need a cutting permit but lots of folks cut off logging piles. We did, why let it rot. :happy1: A few years ago a big storm hit up by Outing MN and my buddy who has a cabin up there and I, plus a few other folks we met in the woods hit the logging roads and "Helped clear" the roads of dead falls for Cass country! :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Agree Leech!!!! Never said I was an angel!! :sleazy: :evil: :nerd:
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More pictures from day two. Most of the area cut still has some bunched trees so I don't have any pictures of what it looks like when they are done.
They crossed this with the Feller Buncher but broke through the ice with a skidder pulling logs.
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Should be a good view from this stand.
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Impressive, I love hunting logged off areas. Deer magnets. New edges.
I think you might need to put up a few more stands. :rotflmao:
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Glenn, you do need a permit to gather firewood in the National Forest. The permit is normally $20.00, good for one year, and up to 10 cords for personal use. The fee was waived because of COVID. You cannot cut live trees. You can get the permit at the Forest Service in Deer River, although the last time i was there it was locked up and I had to call them to get the permit. They also issue permits for spruce bough cutting and birch bark. There’s plenty of good firewood if you want to put in the time and effort. We burn wood for supplement heat, and normally scrounge up 1 1/2 — 2 cords.
DE, hope we didn’t hijack your thread. Keep posting those pictures and let us know how the project progresses.
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Glenn, you do need a permit to gather firewood in the National Forest. The permit is normally $20.00, good for one year, and up to 10 cords for personal use. The fee was waived because of COVID. You cannot cut live trees. You can get the permit at the Forest Service in Deer River, although the last time i was there it was locked up and I had to call them to get the permit. They also issue permits for spruce bough cutting and birch bark. There’s plenty of good firewood if you want to put in the time and effort. We burn wood for supplement heat, and normally scrounge up 1 1/2 — 2 cords.
DE, hope we didn’t hijack your thread. Keep posting those pictures and let us know how the project progresses.
I thought we got our last permit in Walker. Is there a different permit for federal, state, and county land?
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Dakids pretty sure you can get them at the closest forestry office. I just happen to drive by the one in deer river everytime we go to the cabin.
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It's still about wood products. :happy1:
Fishwidow, you know a guy north of rapids that does wood carving?? I seen a grouse he garbed, wholly hannah was that nice, but real spendy
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Dakids, I think they are different—county, state, federal. The permits I get are from the Chippewa National Forest and are pretty specific about harvesting wood from within the boundaries. . Never checked state or county forests.
Glenn, can’t say I have come across the guy you’re talking about. They have an event called Goods from the Woods in Grand Rapids every year that has different vendors of products made locally. Don’t think they had it in 2020 though. Another time to see some interesting stuff is the 47 mile garage sale on highway 38 in late September. Ranges from average yard sale run of the mill stuff to things handmade by local people. Some pretty talented people show things they’ve made.
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So that's how they do that??? Didn't know that. So it's by national forest. Yea I knew it was specific areas only. But man to see all these fallen dead trees go to waste. Let's just say I've helped myself to tipped over trees that block trail's on occasion.
Yea I gotta hit that garage trail route some year. I know it goes close to the cabin, the spring lake store gets involved. That goods from the woods sounds interesting too.
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I read a few years ago that even with logging going on that 60% of the trees just die and go to waste. Flooding from beavers is a huge problem. There aren't enough DKs out trapping them and there are bounties on them around here.
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Yea it's really sad how much just rots away and some of the hoops you need to go through sometimes to use dead trees, but I get it.
Deadeye, it looks like your loggers are doing a nice job of cleaning it up. :happy1:
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No problem with discussing forestry and wood gathering here. I will continue to post pictures as things progress. There has been some damage. The most damage is to bases of trees that were not cut. Some basswood, ash and oaks sustained this type of damage when the skidder pulls a pile of 60 foot trees past them they often rub off the bark of the standing tree. At this point I don't know if the damage will heal and not kill the trees but time will tell. Also, a couple apple trees were destroyed. To be fair I did not flag them but they did have a wire cage around them held in place by a T-Post. I planned to do a walk through and flag things like this but was not given any notice of when they started.
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Deadeye, from all the logging going on around the cabin and meandering through those areas, the trees that I seen as you discribed seem to be doing fine
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I took these yesterday. I wanted to take some before it snowed. These were taken in areas where the logging is completed.
This is how it is now. For the most part it's fine but there are some concerns. The two biggest concerns are
1. Damage to trees that were not harvested and B. Number of oaks, and ash that were cut or destroyed during the process.
Pictures give you a general idea of what it looks like when they are done harvesting.
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Well I didn't expect to see that kind of damage. :scratch: :doah:
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That is kinda how it goes. That equipment is large and not easy to maneuver around smaller trees.
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It's going to make it hard to look for Buck rubs now! :doah:
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It's going to make it hard to look for Buck rubs now! :doah:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: you related to Dotch??? :scratch: :rotflmao:
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Good one there JB. I think my bucks usually rub on BIGGER trees. :rotflmao:
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Thanks. But Leech is the one that deserves the credit for that.
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Here's some pictures of the equipment being used.
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deadeye,
Did you hire an independent forester to evaluate your trees before you hired a logging company. Any good advise for someone thinking of having their land logged?
Thanks
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Cooperman,
Almost 20 years ago I started working with a Forester to create a Forest Stewardship Plan for my property. This was written by the Forester and paid for by the DNR. About 7 years ago the State came up with a 2C land classification. Basically this classification give the owner a 35% reduction in property taxes. To be classified as 2C I needed a Forester Steward Ship Plan that was less than 10 years old so I had the Forester update my plan. There's some other restrictions on what you can or can't do on the land as well. Five years ago I started working with the same Forester on a timber sale. It's a long story about how we got to where we are at today so I won't go there now. I guess the short answer to your question is YES, I am using an independent forester to evaluate, put out bids, and manage the sale. I have a lot of advise for anyone thinking of logging their land. The jury would be out regarding if any of it is "good" advice. :rotflmao:
I will know more as my sale winds down and I'm sure I will have something to say about it when it's done.
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DE, thanks for starting this topic and sharing updates on how your logging is going. I have enjoyed reading about your experience.
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Yesterday on my way back from fishing I stopped in to check on the logging progress. They have completed cutting on my land and started once again on my brother in laws. If you remember they started there but a skidder broke through the swamp crossing. It's slow going right now because they are just using their small skidder and there is a long drag to the landing. This should change soon with the cold weather and their road buildup across the swamp. They use logs to spread out the weight of the skidder with logs.
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Couple a fine lookin' shootin' lanes you got cut 'der! :happy1:
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Yesterday I went with my brother in law to check on the logging taking place on his land.
The really made progress and can now use the big skidders without risk of breaking through
the swamp crossing. The pictures are just random areas some are done some not.
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Where is this? Doesn't look like a lot of snow up there?
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Leech~~, There's plenty snow it's just that after the feller buncher and skidders pile and drag the trees out the snow pretty much get pulverized into the brush and dirt. It's in south east Morrison County. Central part of the state.
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man deadeye, drive back and forth a bunch of times. pack that snow down good driving a little on each side each time.......you'll have a nice trail to drive in most the winter. the ruts will guide you in no steering needed!!!!!!!! :happy1:
been one of our methods for years at the cabin.
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glenn57,
I would do that but after 30 log trucks along with many other trucks drove on it for a couple weeks there is no snow left to drive on.
This picture was taken on the same place as the one in a previous post that showed the snow cover.
Non left now. It's flat hard pack. You could ride a skate board on it. :rotflmao:
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:rotflmao: :happy1:
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Yesterday I made another visit to the land of logging. They made a lot of progress since I was there last Thursday. They are done cutting and will probably be done skidding out logs today. Due to truck breakdowns, they are way behind on hauling so that mat take the rest of the week to complete. There is still some cleanup that needs to be done. I walked the area with the Forester and we flagged where they need to clear the trails. It's not too bad and there will be several new main trails where logs were skidded out. They are to clear all these of any slash and other downed tree parts. Some areas are pretty much flattened and littered but others should rebound nicely.
Big log piles. There are 4 rows like this. Truckers need to get going.
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My brother in law said they could start a slash pile and they took advantage of it.
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Skidder dragging 60-70 foot trees need a big area to work. Collateral damage occurs for sure.
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They made this trail through a small strip of woods to access the landing. It's at least a foot deep in timber.
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WOW!!! Should make some awesome deer and grouse hunting.
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Pretty sure they'll get the logs hauled off before it warms up this spring. Between road weight restrictions and thawing ground. At least that's what I see at the cabin.
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Some of these loggers just want to cut trees and get out to save costs. Their not all that happy about spending time beautifying anyone's hunting land. :bambi: :deer: :undecided:
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That's a BIG pile of logs. And you still have trees left? :confused:
Looking good. Stay on 'em.
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That's a BIG pile of logs. And you still have trees left? :confused:
Looking good. Stay on 'em.
deadeye is trying to help out with the TP shortage!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao: :sleazy:
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That's a BIG pile of logs. And you still have trees left? :confused:
Looking good. Stay on 'em.
deadeye is trying to help out with the TP shortage!!!!!!! :happy1: :rotflmao: :sleazy:
And I figured he got someone else to pay him for the privilege of cutting his new shooting lanes.
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So far I'm pretty happy with what has been done. Leech~~ I am keeping a pretty close eye on how things are left. So far they have complied with all my requests. I've spoken with the loggers and they understand the need to end up with usable trails. Yes some will be shooting lanes and others will be part of a new trail system. They are going to use equipment to clear and level all skidder trails that we want to end up using. There will be scattered brush piles and some ruts. I'm not too worried about them getting the logs out when it's frozen because they only have one slasher that is also used to load the trucks so they cannot move to another location until they load all the logs that are cut.
Steve-o isn't too far off with the TP. Some of the wood is being used for turkey bedding :rotflmao:
We did make a dent in the woods but there's plenty left. We logged around 50 acres.
dakids, you will not be able to see the cut area from the "noisy oak" but you can see from the "baywatch" to the "ash clump" to the "cantilever".
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Yesterday they hauled the last loads and pulled out all the equipment. I will post some pictures. Everything was fine until I mentioned that they did not clear one trail that the forester marked with me last Monday. Not sure why but the guy went ballistic on me shouting in my face stuff that shocked and frightened me. Then as he went to the skid steer told me I better not follow him or you never know what happens in the woods. I was a bit in shock at his words, demeaner and actions so I retreated to my PU and left the area. I contacted the forester I am using and he said he would come out. He came with the logging company owner and ask my side of the story then left to meet the other guy. No idea what happened after that as they were all gone when I left. And how was your day!
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Wow, that is kind of scary.
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Wow, that is kind of scary.
X 2 & :crazy:
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Don't pay the damn bill until the job is done-Right. That logger just been in the woods to long sniffing chainsaw fumes. :bs:
Let us know if you find out what happed to the guy because he should have been caned or arrested on the spot! :police:
Like I said before. Most of these guys want to cut, stack load and go. Their not all that excited about making anyone's hunting area pretty! :angry:
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Leach~~,
Can you clarify what you mean by don't pay the bill. I was kinda hoping they would pay me for the logs. :confused:
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Leach~~,
Can you clarify what you mean by don't pay the bill. I was kinda hoping they would pay me for the logs. :confused:
Bahah yeah your right. Anyway the guy should lose his job for saying some customer may have an accident in the woods! :bs:
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At the very least either the guy who said that should have to give you a face to face apology or if he is fired his boss should. They knew the job before this started. Now is not the time to whine about it.
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Might be good to know his name for future reference too! And did they ever clear that path for you?
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I spoke with the forester yesterday and again discussed what happened last Friday. He was not involved in the conversations between the owner and the subject person. I'm not sure what the guy did on the trail in question. I plan to go out there tomorrow and check out the area. Without more information and hearing his side of just what triggered the rage, I wouldn't feel right broadcasting the name. And, other than that last few minutes I was happy with the people and what they did.
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Kind of a sad note to end on deadeye. I wish you luck on resolving the trail matter. I've really enjoyed following your thread and seeing all the pics detailing the process. Have to wonder though what was going through that guy's head when he threatened you? Mental illness? Off his meds? If I ever found out an employee had threatened a customer like that regardless of their "justification", their employment would be terminated immediately. No place for that toxic behavior in a workplace environment regardless of the profession. :confused:
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I don't mean broadcasting the name DE. Just that you may want to know it for future reference.
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Stuff like that is too scary and shouldn't happen.
I would hope they would correct the problem and give you the satisfaction of an explanation and apology.
Good luck.
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Maybe a guy named Floyd would help.
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Maybe a guy named Floyd would help.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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That is absolutely great Thanks.
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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so whick one of you guys up on the border called the cops on who first!!!!!!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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On Monday I went with my brother to walk the areas that have been logged. Good news is the guy that went ape $hit on me the other day did do a good job clearing the trails that they had previously agreed to do. I took a few pictures of the area flooded by a beaver dam that's about 50 yards from the swamp crossing the loggers made. This dam was built about 5-6 years ago and you can see the trees killed as a result of the beaver pond flooding. We did see active otter sign at the dam so that was nice. The deer continue to flood into the logged area browsing on aspen tree tops and branches. It will be a big change but we hope to be part of that by making trails and planting selected areas with trees. Over all I would say I'm ok with how the logging went. There was more collateral damage than I expected. Lots of 3-6 inch oak and ash were cut down or run over during felling and skidding trees. I know it takes a lot of room to cut, bunch and skid out 60-70 foot trees but I think they did it the fastest and easiest way rather than trying to save oak and ash trees. The area that contained almost entirely aspen should regen nicely which was the main reason to have it logged. It's just hard to see the change that occurred in such a short time. Lots of work to be done over the next few years to prevent the woods from overtaking the new trails.
Dead timber result of expanding beaver pond.
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They made this skid trail through a strip of woods to access their landing site. Made one hell of a shooting lane.
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They made (by agreement) a huge slash pile near the landing. This will make great habitat for years to come.
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Quite a project DE. Mother nature will blend it all together and maybe faster than one thinks.
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Have you thought about planting clover down some of the trails in the spring. Good ground cover and feed. Can you burn the slash pile if you wanted to?
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Last Saturday I went out for a "woods" fix. I had to go in with the wheeler as it was getting pretty squishy. Not much snow around just on the north side of wood lines. Things looked pretty good. For those who are interested, If you include the payment I received from the logger who ended up not cutting the timber plus what I received from the logging this winter I received close to $625 per acre for the logs.
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Looking good! :happy1:
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I was curious as how much money that was worth.
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It was at total of 367 cords or around 18 cords per acre average.
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Here is what all the logged off land sill look like for the next several years.
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interesting!!
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:scratch: That's a lot of Morels. :shocked: Yumm!! :cool:
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Here is what all the logged off land sill look like for the next several years.
Depends on what kinds of trees where cut and the soil there. But that would be nice. :happy1:
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Yes I saw this before when we ran a dozer through some trails. For a number of years it look much like dakids picture. Here are some pictures I took last Sunday. Most are from a three existing deer stands that will be greatly impacted by the logging.
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It's been a few months since I posted an update to the logging. I took these yesterday. The aspen regen is coming along nicely. The new aspen shoots are around waist high with some a bit higher. This fall I will have to tackle clearing areas that I do not want them to grow in. I will have a couple years to manage this before they get to thick and big to handle with the brush mower. Deer flies are to aggressive right now to do much of anything in the woods.
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Looks like the natural food plot is going to be a success this winter!!!
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dakids. Anything you can us? :scratch: :happy1: :happy1:
https://youtu.be/Jzm_PeebFzk
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now that is some heavy duty equipment!!
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Way cool Leech! I could watch them play with toys like those for hours. :happy1:
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Wow, if only I had an extra half million $ to pickup so toys like these. Of course you need to be careful or ALL your trees would be gone. It's amazing they let the guys with phones take pictures right next to the guy crushing rocks. :crazy:
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I love watching that kind of stuff. I watched lots of wood splitter things on Youtube before I made mine. I still watch wood splitter videos. LOL Some people are pretty clever making things.
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Wow, if only I had an extra half million $ to pickup so toys like these. Of course you need to be careful or ALL your trees would be gone. It's amazing they let the guys with phones take pictures right next to the guy crushing rocks. :crazy:
The rock crushing thing was amazing. I kept waiting for the thing to explode with a jam up! :shocked:
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That rock crusher tiller thing would be cool to have. No more picking rocks.
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Two years ago the guy I hired to clear an area for a road used a similar machine on a smaller scale. They had a a 6" mulching head on the skid steer. You may remember but here's some photos from two years ago.
Before: This is the corner of the field where we started. The original trail was little more than a wheeler trail
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Just starting and hard to envision what the heck he's doing
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In progress: starting to make sense
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In progress
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Finished trail
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Finished trail/road opening
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WOW! That is one serious shooting lane! :happy1:
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Yesterday I took a short walk through some of the area we had logged last winter. The aspen regen is mostly chin high with lots of shoots extending over my head. That puts them around 6 feet. Not bad for just starting this spring.
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Wow. They get tall fast. It should be a popular spot this fall and winter
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A "popular" spot. I see what you did there. Forester would get mad and correct it to "aspen". :rotflmao:
It will be interesting for sure. Maybe you can setup a chair in the middle of them.
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Definitely set up a chair on one if the edges.
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dakids and I spent a day at the land yesterday. Great time checking things out and we did get a little work done as well. Here's a couple pictures of the aspen regen from the logging this past winter. I say the average shoots are over 5 feet and lots of them taller than I can reach. Wouldn't put it past some being over 9 feet tall.
Very easy to get lost in the regen.
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I'm pretty sure most pro basketball players would have a hard time reaching the top without jumping.
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At first I thought this was a lightning strike but dakids pointed out teeth and claw marks. Big bear
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Bears teeth marks are by Deadeyes hand.
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Very cool!
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wow!!! :rotflmao:
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I have seen lots of logging cuts and watched regrow during all my years in the woods.
I have never seen regrowth that aggressive.
You must have some good dirt.
And those trophy bucks are going to have a bedroom to hide in for years to come.
Nice job.
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I planned to use my pull behind brush cutter yesterday to open some of our old trails through the areas that were cut. We had marked the trails with flagging tape however aggressive growth made it difficult to find. Thankfully I did not have the mower behind and only went with the wheeler. Also Fridays wind storm knocked over a lot of dead trees as well as some weakened live ones. Being my brother in law cleared a lot of trails last week I thought it would be a piece of cake but I was wrong. I was exhausted after 7 hours of chain saw work and throwing cut logs off trails. Crappy part was a lot of these were clear a couple days ago. :angry2: