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Title: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on November 11/28/21, 07:47:52 PM
I read where the Twinkletoes signed Buxton to a 7 year $100 million  contract extension. Man I went into wrong profession  :rotflmao: with alot of incentives.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on November 11/29/21, 08:03:02 AM
He is due for a season where he doesn't get hurt. Then he can collect on all those incentives.

Player lockout will begin on Wednesday. Question is.....will it end by spring training start?
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on November 11/29/21, 08:18:39 AM
I read where the Twinkletoes signed Buxton to a 7 year $100 million  contract extension. Man I went into wrong profession  :rotflmao: with alot of incentives.
:scratch: :doah: They would've wanted $ FROM YOU before they let you on the field! ;) :rotflmao: :rotflmao: A No Trade clause & incentives based on being able to stay on the field are being said to be major factors. https://news.yahoo.com/byron-buxton-twins-reach-seven-003300355.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall                                                            I     
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on December 12/06/21, 08:17:18 AM
Finally.....Jim Kaat and Toni Oliva elected to the Hall of Fame. Grew up watching those guys. :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on December 12/06/21, 08:32:16 AM
Yes, glad to see those guys get the honor before they pass.

Hall of Fame ought not to be only about the statistics.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: mike89 on December 12/06/21, 08:51:37 AM
seen that too!!  was on the news so I seen them so happy!!!   :happy1:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on December 12/06/21, 08:55:21 AM
Kaat could still make the Twins rotation.

Congrats to them both. 
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on December 12/06/21, 09:05:50 AM
Kaat's 283 wins is still #8 all time for a lefty & Tony O taught Rod Carew a few things about how to handle a bat. Kudos to both, well deserved! :happy1: :cool:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Dotch on December 12/06/21, 09:35:50 AM
Great players both. Today's starters pale in comparison to guys like Kaat, Blyleven and Morris. Enjoyed listening to Kaat's broadcasts. Tony O was the total package. While the DH rule extended his career after he hurt his knee, given today's surgical techniques one has to wonder what might've been.   
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/22/22, 09:58:43 AM
isee where the Twins inducted ..
gardy
gladden, and
cesar tovar to the Twins hall of fame!!!!!!!!  :happy1: :happy1:

i enjoyed watching gladden play....he was kinda fiesty!!!!!! and i think tovar was the first twins player, and maybe the only one??? to play all 9 positions in a single game!!!!!!! actually surprised it took this long for them to put him in there hall of fame???? :scratch: :scratch: :doah:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/22/22, 10:31:05 AM
It's nice that they recognize some of these guys. However I often think it's a money grab to sell tickets and jerseys. Tovar for instance was never a star player. He was just somebody that happened to be good enough to play everywhere on a marginal baseball team.

But yes, it's nice for their families and friends.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on January 01/22/22, 10:42:04 AM
if i remember right Tovar wasnt a power hitter bit more of slap the ball around the ball park guy. he could steal bases. think he hit for a respectable average to, not???
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/22/22, 11:30:07 AM
if i remember right Tovar wasnt a power hitter bit more of slap the ball around the ball park guy. he could steal bases. think he hit for a respectable average to, not???

He was a singles type hitter like Carew. Without any research I would say he was a .270's type. Yes he could run also.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on January 01/24/22, 11:55:17 AM
I could swear that Gladden also played every position in one game, but couldn't find any reference to it.  Records show he only pitched in two games, and the box scores for those games show he did NOT play the other positions.

So thinking about it...   :scratch:  It must have been one of those down years between World Series' that folks were TALKING about letting Gladden play all 9 positions - because he had pitched before.  ...Something, anything for the fans to get excited about.

But you are right...  Dan Gladden was fiesty!    :taz: training-087

Can't forget this story... On this day in 1988: Twins teammates brawled on a lawn (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2014/07/21/on-this-day-in-1988-twins-teammates-brawled-on-a-lawn/)

A personality conflict turned into a fistfight between Minnesota Twins left-fielder Dan Gladden and second baseman Steve Lombardozzi, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The altercation apparently took place Thursday night at Gladden`s home.

Lombardozzi arrived for Friday’s game with a black eye and scratches down the swollen left side of his face. Gladden suffered a cracked bone in his right ring finger. Neither of the combatants would comment Sunday. Manager Tom Kelly said he was aware of the incident. The problems between the players came to a head during Wednesday’s 9-7 loss to the Boston Red Sox when Kelly used a pinch-hitter for Lombardozzi.

Sources said Lombardozzi became upset and went to the clubhouse, a move that didn’t sit well with a couple of players, including Gladden. Lombardozzi is said to have gone to Gladden’s home to settle the differences when the fight started.

“They settled it like men,” Kelly said. “My understanding is that everything’s hunky dory.”

Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on January 01/24/22, 02:03:15 PM
Twins could use a guy like Gladden to slap some fire into some of these guys they have today.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/08/22, 09:34:26 AM
i see where MLB gave the players Union a deadline for tonight to keep the season to 162 games with full pay provided they agree to certain things.

not sure how the players will react, but i've seen this manuever before!!!! :evil: both as the union thug and from an employer......usually means there working behind the scenes to get a del done. 
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/08/22, 10:31:05 AM
There won't be a deal until mid to late March with a April season start.

They all can kiss my a$$, other than listening on the radio or TV i'm done with them.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/08/22, 11:40:09 AM
They got more problems than they can solve in one night.

Even if they do come to an agreement, they will have just kicked those problems down the road.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: mike89 on March 03/10/22, 03:03:38 PM
so I see the baseball strike is over, oh well...     :rotflmao: :happy1:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/10/22, 03:24:11 PM
I will have to check that out.  I like some of the ideas people have thrown out.  No practice pitches when a pitcher comes in.  He has been throwing in the bull pen. QBs don't get practice throws on the field.  Batter can't leave the batter box.  I get so tired of them tightening their gloves every pitch or adjusting their crotch.  3 or 4 time outs per game like in football.  All of this walking out to talk to the pitcher is BS.  Get the game going.  I have things to do.  LOLOL  Maybe.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/10/22, 03:36:21 PM
MLB players vote to end lockout, salvaging 162-game season
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/10/22, 03:53:42 PM
I will have to check that out.  I like some of the ideas people have thrown out.  No practice pitches when a pitcher comes in.  He has been throwing in the bull pen. QBs don't get practice throws on the field.  Batter can't leave the batter box.  I get so tired of them tightening their gloves every pitch or adjusting their crotch.  3 or 4 time outs per game like in football.  All of this walking out to talk to the pitcher is BS.  Get the game going.  I have things to do.  LOLOL  Maybe.

Other elements of the deal include:

• A 45-day window for MLB to implement rules changes -- among them a pitch clock, ban on shifts and larger bases in the 2023 season

• The National League adopting the designated hitter

• A draft lottery implemented with the intent of discouraging tanking

• Draft-pick inducements to discourage service-time manipulation

• Limiting the number of times a player can be optioned to the minor leagues in one season
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: snow1 on March 03/11/22, 08:30:20 AM
Haven't watched a baseball game in years....what was the strike about? can't be salary.all million aires by now arn't they?Guess I really don't care just curious.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/11/22, 08:58:23 AM
Haven't watched a baseball game in years....what was the strike about? can't be salary.all million aires by now arn't they?Guess I really don't care just curious.
:pouty: :banghead: sheez snow, dont you pay attention!!!!!!!  :confused: read steveo's post above yours!!!!!  :sleazy: :mooning: :rotflmao: pretty much covers it!!!!!!! :happy1:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/11/22, 10:49:53 AM
AND the answer is yes.  It is all about money.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/13/22, 09:35:32 AM
Twins traded Garver to Texas for their SS yday.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/13/22, 09:39:03 AM
Twins are in a full blown rebuild. Don't believe it when they tell you they think they can compete......believe what you see them doing.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/13/22, 09:45:20 AM
Twins are in a full blown rebuild. Don't believe it when they tell you they think they can compete......believe what you see them doing.
there in rebuild mode every year!!!!! :doofus:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/13/22, 10:45:50 AM
Their approach to re-hab the careers of one-good starting pitchers has not paid off for them.

They leave themselves such a thin margin for error that one or two injuries derails the whole season.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/13/22, 10:48:15 AM
Their approach to re-hab the careers of one-good starting pitchers has not paid off for them.

They leave themselves such a thin margin for error that one or two injuries derails the whole season.
as long as the pohland family has there fingers in the team..........they will ALWAYS be derailed!!!!1 :pouty:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/13/22, 11:05:05 AM
The Pohlads really aren't the issue. They are bankers / business people first. They are owners to make money. Remember back to when Calvin Griffith owned the team. Look around the Twins division. Kansas City.....doesn't spend as much as the Twins. Detroit spends more but wins less. Cleveland spends less. Chicago spends more and wins less. Or look at Milwaukee, they never win anything no matter what you spend.

The problem isn't what they spend, it's how they develop players. If you can't develop pitching, which they can't, then you have to buy pitching. Pitching is far to expensive to buy it year after year. If you have a line-up that can win you can buy a free agent that will get you over the top.

I see the development and evaluators as being the problem. They can't draft and sign the right guys or the right free agents. Then when they do get a talent (Sano) they can't get anything out of him. Say what you want about Terry Ryan he could identify talent. When he was teamed with Andy MacPhail as his GM they built a team to win. 87 & 91 and bought the additional guys they needed to win.

The Twins could spend more, in the $150 million range but if you can't identify the right guys it won't matter.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/13/22, 12:50:41 PM
Their approach to re-hab the careers of one-good starting pitchers has not paid off for them.

They leave themselves such a thin margin for error that one or two injuries derails the whole season.
as long as the pohland family has there fingers in the team..........they will ALWAYS be derailed!!!!1 :pouty:

And they promised they would be able to compete if us taxpayers built them a new stadium. GUESS NOT   
  :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/13/22, 01:42:16 PM
Gophers, Timberwolves & Vikings all claimed they could compete with a new stadium. Not a one of them has won anything.

If you ever were there you would know the dome was a dump and needed to go.

Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/13/22, 02:35:01 PM
I was there for the Twins and Vikings. My gripe is that they said a new taxpayer paid stadium would allow them to have a team that can win and not be a minor league team for the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Atlanta, Angels etc.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: LPS on March 03/13/22, 08:27:26 PM
Was at the Met for many a Vikes games in the cold weather.  Went to quite  few in the old Dome too.  They were both very affordable.  Never been to the new one.  Probably won't make it neither.  But ya never know. 
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: KEN W on March 03/13/22, 08:42:43 PM
I was at the old Met in the 50's with my dad. Saw the Red Sox play their old farm team the Millers. Saw Ted Williams play. Also there when the Cowboys robbed the Vikings when Pearson pushed off. Loved that old outdoor stadium.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/14/22, 06:26:37 AM
Twins traded Garver to Texas for their SS yday.
The Ranger's SS, Donaldson, & the young catcher went to the NYY late yday for Urshela & Sanchez. Made a deal with the Red Sox for a starter & a 24 y/o Class A righthander over the weekend too. :scratch:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: mike89 on March 03/14/22, 07:00:21 AM
was at the Met once during a play off game.  damn cold and snow!!   but sure was fun!!!   :happy1:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: markn on March 03/14/22, 07:37:46 AM
You're correct dutchboy, the dome was a dump. Watched one vikes game and nine or ten Twins games in it and it was bad. I was lucky enough to watch a dozen vikes games and a bunch of twins game at the Met and had a ball at everyone. I am looking forward to the Twins start for this year.  :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/14/22, 07:39:36 AM
Seen some AL playoffs in the Dome twice, in '87 & in '02. Had to scream at my buddy sitting next to me so he could hear me in '87. :crazy:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/14/22, 08:01:12 AM
Twins are making a bunch of moves to disguise just how bad this team is. There has to be another trade or signing coming as they don't now have a shortstop.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/14/22, 08:23:41 AM
Twins are making a bunch of moves to disguise just how bad this team is. There has to be another trade or signing coming as they don't now have a shortstop.
MLB trades: Twins acquire Isiah Kiner-Falefa from Rangers for Mitch Garver in three-player deal (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trades-twins-acquire-isiah-kiner-falefa-from-rangers-for-mitch-garver-in-three-player-deal/)

Texas gets their catcher and the Twins get their shortstop  :confused:

Did you mean that they now need a catcher, or did they trade the Texas SS for someone else? 
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/14/22, 08:39:34 AM
Donaldson and the kid from Texas to the Yankees for Sanchez & Urshella.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/14/22, 08:56:36 AM
Donaldson and the kid from Texas to the Yankees for Sanchez & Urshella.
Yankees trade Gary Sanchez to Twins for Josh Donaldson in blockbuster move (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-yankees-trade-gary-sanchez-to-twins-for-josh-donaldson-isiah-kiner-falefa-024133170.html)

Something tells me the Yanks fleeced the Twinks, but they get to save $50 Million on Donaldson's contract.  ;)
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/14/22, 09:00:55 AM
Sanchez can DH (he can't catch worth a lick) and Urshella can play 3rd. Leaves them back at square 1 with no shortstop unless they have something else cooking. Even with adding Gray to the pitching staff this staff couldn't regularly beat the AAA staff in St. Paul.

Gonna be a longggg ugly season.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/14/22, 09:07:18 AM
So if I'm following along...

The Twins trade a good catcher, and a good short stop, and a fiery competitive stud third baseman...

For a catcher who can't catch, a good third baseman, and a minor league pitcher.
 :crazy:
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/14/22, 09:14:32 AM
Yes but the important part is they unloaded Donaldson's contract.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/14/22, 10:31:55 AM
Polanco, Arraez, & Urshela have all played SS. They still have Jeffers & he caught most of the games last season, but I agree with dutchy moving Donaldson was the biggest thing. He's due $21 mil this year & next as well as having a $16 mil option for '24 with a $6 mil buyout.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: glenn57 on March 03/19/22, 08:02:46 AM
i just read where the Twinkies opened up there checkbook and signed this SS from Houston ........Correa!!!!! shocking!!!!!
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/19/22, 08:07:35 AM
Just heard that on WCCO too! :shocked: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/mlb-free-agency-star-shortstop-carlos-correa-signs-three-year-241053-million-deal-with-twins-per-repo
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/19/22, 05:05:15 PM
Let's hope they find some pitching, so his talent won't go to waste.  Or, if they can't put a team around him, Correa can opt out in year two or three.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/20/22, 08:10:00 AM
I see my link doesn't work, maybe it never did  :scratch:, so I found another..........https://www.mlb.com/news/carlos-correa-twins-deal & it says he can opt out the 1st 2 years of the deal. :confused: Sounds as if they expect him to test the market again next year though as he wants a long term, big $ deal.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/20/22, 08:58:54 AM
I haven't seen all the details but it seems the player has all the control. If he gets hurt this summer or does squat he can stay and the Twins pay. If he plays well he can opt out and try for a bigger contract. At that point the Twins could (but won't) resign him to a monster contract.

I'm still scratching my head over this. Other than selling a few tickets I don't see the Twins angle on it. Without pitching, alot of pitching they aren't a play-off team. With or without Correa they are finishing behind Chicago unless they have a bunch of injuries. Houston or Seattle will win the West. The East will have Toronto, Tampa, Boston all duking it out with at least one of them the wild card. That leaves the third place team from the East, second place team from the West and the second place team from the Central battling for the last wild card. Without pitching I don't see the team as being one of them.

What I see is the Twins suck and unload Correa at the deadline to a contender for prospects. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/20/22, 10:13:04 AM
Their top 2 guys in the minors both play SS & may not be ready. Lewis is coming off shoulder surgery & hasn't played since the Spring of 2020. The other guy is just starting AA ball after graduating college, is what I've read. Oakland has a couple FA starting pitchers that they're supposed to be interested in. :scratch: They still need some help in the bullpen as well IMO. Guess we'll see, as they only have ~ 2 weeks since Opening Day is now 4/7.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/22/22, 12:38:02 PM
Twins vs Braves started at noon.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Steve-o on March 03/23/22, 09:42:05 AM
Bench Byron Buxton for Remainder of Spring Training (https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/bench-byron-buxton-for-remainder-of-spring-training/)

But on Tuesday afternoon, in the first inning of a meaningless Spring Training contest between the Twins and Atlanta Braves, star centerfielder, Byron Buxton, put all of those good vibes in jeopardy with a beautiful, miraculous, VIOLENT, homerun-saving catch that plastered him face-first into the outfield wall, ball in glove.

Please, Byron, Stop.

The greatness of this catch can only be rivaled by that of its own stupidity. I would like Byron Buxton to stop violently running into walls during ALL games. Saving that one out, no matter how many runs might score, is not worth the collateral damage of the Minnesota Twins losing Byron from their lineup.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/23/22, 09:46:30 AM
Baseball players will do what they were trained to do. Buxton got paid $100 million to be a center fielder, not a tennis player. Defense is what got him paid. While it might not be the smartest move (Buxton doesn't impress me as the smartest guy) it is in keeping with who he is.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: Gunner55 on March 03/23/22, 10:07:36 AM
 :scratch: I'm certain he has had conversations with the people signing his check about this, probably more than once. :bonk: He can make an extra $2.5 mil if he makes 625 plate appearances with his new deal so if that doesn't get him to think twice about it...................what will?  :rolleyes: Actually the incentives start at $500,000/502 & go up another 500K for about every 30 at bats.
Title: Re: 2022 twins
Post by: dutchboy on March 03/23/22, 10:23:01 AM
I'm not sure the contract will work out in the long run for the Twins but I do like that they based some of it on availability.