Minnesota Outdoorsman
General Category => Big Boy Toys => Topic started by: LPS on March 03/06/22, 07:52:22 AM
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I just saw a 2016 GMC 2500 SLE for sale around here. Has a 6.0 in it. I really like our 2016 Ram 1500 but that GMC would be nice for pulling the camper. It has 80,000 miles on it. I have never had a 6.0. Anyone have any experience with them?
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Nice motors, my last truck was 6.0 2002 2500 gmc the engine compartment was wide open for wrenching, although I never needed to wrench on it. It also had .410 gearing which kept the fuel mileage down some. Any rust on it lps?
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From the pics it doesn't look like any rust but I will know tomorrow. I will swing in and look at it. It won't get as good as mileage as my Ram with the 5.7 Hemi but will tow more. My Ram has 50K the GMC has 80K. Some upside and some downside. The price has to be right or maybe I will be better with what I have. It sure is a good looking rig.
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My 99 had the 6.0 with the 4/10 rear end in it. Good pulling truck. Mileage never really changed much, pulling or not.
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Great powertrain LP...Well proven,cast iron block,great torq,i90 HD tranny,standard gear ration's on 2019 HD was 3.73,upgrade option to 4:10's...so if you don't get the original window sticker to view options,look in the glove box there you'll find a list in 3 digit codes in alphabetical order pasted in the box...4:10 gears code on GM trucks is GT5...Also make sure it has a "locking differential" "code is "G80" heavy duty trailer package code is "Z82",not all 2500HD trucks had these options including camper mirrors's so be mindfull.
Also if this truck is available from a dealer have them show you carfax,private party pull carfax yourself to view the trucks mechanical history and get accident report and to make sure it has a clean title.
Further with lack of new vehicles both new and used the demand is high,so is the new/used vehicle pricing,dealers are scrambling to get product and paying premium prices for used inventory.
Just a few thoughts
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I appreciate your thoughts Snow. :happy1:
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I jotted those codes down and will bring them along. What is you estimate for mileage. I saw somewhere 11 city 16 hwy
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I jotted those codes down and will bring them along. What is you estimate for mileage. I saw somewhere 11 city 16 hwy
LP,all trucks over 8600 GVW via epa are not rated for milage because these trucks are deemd'd "stump puller's" however over the years working for GM most feedback regarding mpg's regardless of rear end gear ratio's is 12-14mpg's empty.However GM added 2 more hiway gears to the L85 original HD tranny,so running empty and keep your foot out of it with a tailwind you might gain a couple "mpg's" with this i90 8 speed tranny,also keep in mind these trucks have "tow haul" modes...which is great to have for stop n go type traffic with a payload and or trailer weight,you can also engauge tow haul for exiting off a hiway by tapping your breaks to down shift your transmission gears with a payload or trailer weight to save brake pads. This truck you are looking at also has a "manuel" option to lock in lower gears or lock out hiway gears when truck is under stress with weight,you'll see a + and - on your automatic transmission lever on the column,just put your tansmission in the "M" mode for manuel rather than "D" for drive to activate and run thru the gears pressing the + symbol.
In your case LP, the biggest "must have" is the factory Z82 HD trailer package which includes a auxiliary external tranny cooler and engine oil cooler,is your trailer a 5th wheel or pin mount hitch with stablizer?The factory dead weight rec'ver hitch is only a class 3 if this is what you use for your trailer,you can up grade hitch if needed to meet trailer wet tow weight.
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Granted my 99 was a long time ago. But the best I ever got was 14 running empty. Most times it was 11-12 mpg and 10 if I was pulling really heavy. Take it for what it is worth being it was 20 years ago. Gearing in the rear end has a big effect on mpg.
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It does have all three of those codes Snow. So has 4:10 gears, has the HD tow package, and has the locking differentials. It also has the 6 speed tranny. It has a BW hitch so you pull a lever and can drop in a flat plate or a ball for pulling a goose neck or drop in a 5th wheel plate. How cool is that? Is in real good shape and can't find any rust. The dealer knows who owned it the last few years and he is the second owner. Had a nice ride to it.
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I am concerned about the mileage though. Or what the heck.
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aw go for it!!!
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Sounds like a nice truck LP,did the dealer tell ya what the previous owner pulled with it,did he plow snow?
If ya want shoot me the VIN # I'll pull the invoice with all the equipment if ya want.
Did you mention "carfax" to the dealer?good to know if it has a clean title and no accidents.
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I am concerned about the mileage though. Or what the heck.
The main reason you are buying it is to pull your camper. The mileage will probably be the same or a touch better than your current truck pulling the camper. It is amazing how much different(better) pulling a camper with a 3/4 ton verses a 1/2 is, night and day. It not like you would need it as a daily driver to run to work every day. ;)
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I pulled the Carfax and they had the fuel system flushed and the tranny oil changed too awhile back. Now I am having second thoughts. We like our Ram and may wait a year or two till the wife is closer to her retirement to see how much we plan on traveling. It is a nice truck though. 90% of my driving is not pulling a camper. You have given me some great info Snow and I truly appreciate it. I will keep you informed with my decision. AND it is a tough decision.
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I pulled the Carfax and they had the fuel system flushed and the tranny oil changed too awhile back. Now I am having second thoughts. We like our Ram and may wait a year or two till the wife is closer to her retirement to see how much we plan on traveling. It is a nice truck though. 90% of my driving is not pulling a camper. You have given me some great info Snow and I truly appreciate it. I will keep you informed with my decision. AND it is a tough decision.
Not a bad plan LP, with limited dealer inventory and crazy high retail pricing we have today both new and used,now break the bank gas prices....
GM tells me it'll be a rough ride until 2023,maybe 2024...for inventory and pricing.You'll have more truck option's down the road LP.
Besides in 2020 GM tweaked the 6lit engine,more torq and Hp,direct fuel injection 6.6lit gas engine or the duramax 6.6 diesel with the allison 1000 diesel transmission is still a savy tow vehicle option.
Keep in mind in 2019 GM redesigned the HD chassis's both 2500/3500 box'd in the c-channel frame for more payload rigidity...also front (GFPL) is 5600lbs for both the 2500 and 3500 so heavy wet trailer loads won't sway the front-end at hiway/freeway speeds,the difference between the 2500/3500HD's is rear suspension,the 3500 has an extra 3rd leaf spring (over load spring) and a solid rear axel rather than a semi-floating rear axel on the 2500.,none the less the newer 2500HD's have a greater GVWR than the older ones,over 10,000 lbs.(2019 and up models)
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I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.
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I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.
nice rig JB,any issues with winter fuels up your way? I've been on the fence about GM's newer 3lit duramax for my farm truck,leary about extra maintenance and fuel out in the boonies of south dakota,but diesel fuel dumps in farm towns are usually spot on,otherwise the locals would get testy if they're rigs gelled mid winter.You got lucky to find that jewel in 2020 before inventory dried up.
this new generation chevrolet 1500 with this upgraded 3lit duramax has trailering specks of 13k lbs but why would ya? tail wagging the dog comes to mind,pretty sure it's more about bragging rights.
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This has been a great discussion!
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Boy I don't know lps, it's gotta be a pretty sweet deal to lose 30,000 mile's for a handful of times pulling the camper. Right know with the winter fuel I ain't gettin chit fir mileage with the 6.4 and that's with 3.73 rear end. I guess take the good with the bad but I would be pushing for a trade with them owing you yet.. :happy1:
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I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.
nice rig JB,any issues with winter fuels up your way? I've been on the fence about GM's newer 3lit duramax for my farm truck,leary about extra maintenance and fuel out in the boonies of south dakota,but diesel fuel dumps in farm towns are usually spot on,otherwise the locals would get testy if they're rigs gelled mid winter.You got lucky to find that jewel in 2020 before inventory dried up.
this new generation chevrolet 1500 with this upgraded 3lit duramax has trailering specks of 13k lbs but why would ya? tail wagging the dog comes to mind,pretty sure it's more about bragging rights.
I have not had to much issue with fuel up here. The Cenex's(Warroad, Roseau and Baudette)all run the winter blend rated for -40 in the winter.
That being said my pickup has hardly come out of the garage that last 2 winters. I bought it the week before new years in Dec. 2019. The dealer had been looking for 2019s for me and this one came in with everything I was looking for and the price was right so I got the 2020. Liking the 10 speed tranny too. I had a 2005 duramax that I bought new and didn't have much fuel trouble up here either as long as I got winter blend. Which a couple times with that one I did get some bad fuel. First truck I have ever owned that appreciated in value. Worth 10k more than I paid for it right now. Helps I only have 9200 miles on it too.
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Your truck is absolutely awesome JB. Right down to the color of it. I am in love with your truck!!! I called the dealer in Kelliher and told him that I am going to wait a year or two before I move up to a 3/4 ton. Hated to disappoint him but that's the way it is. Was close but it's doesn't have the interior options that we have now plus the extra miles. I told the wife that when we upgrade vehicles we have to be real excited with it and it has to be a big improvement from what we have or else it is not the right deal for us. She was in favor of the deal but she too changed her mind this morning too. Glad we are in agreement on it.
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While we're at it let's keep gabbing. We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around. We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.
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Yes I like this truck talk. I would actually now after all of this research like a 2019 3/4 ton with a 6.6 liter probably gas even though it is cool as heck to have a diesel. Ya l do like the diesel thing. LOL Well it will be a couple of years before it happens so hopefully I can get a good used one for a decent price. My Ram will still be in great shape and probably have 70K miles on it so hopefully a lot of $$$.. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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While we're at it let's keep gabbing. We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around. We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.
Bobber,1 ton trucks are deemed commercial GVW rating over 8600 lbs,commercial tags are pro rated in minnesota from febuary to febuary,today our commercial tags took a road tax bump thanx to walz of $20,so new 1 ton license fee's are $180/year.
FYI.
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While we're at it let's keep gabbing. We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around. We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.
Bobber,1 ton trucks are deemed commercial GVW rating over 8600 lbs,commercial tags are pro rated in minnesota from febuary to febuary,today our commercial tags took a road tax bump thanx to walz of $20,so new 1 ton license fee's are $180/year.
FYI.
That is good to know Snow because I was really looking for a 1 ton when we were shopping for a truck because of the tabs. Last year my tabs for a 2500 were $542, this year they are $480 or something like that. I have not bought them yet because I don't want to part with the money yet. I thought tabs for a 1 ton were $130 though before the $20 increase you are talking about. :confused:
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JB for years tabs for trucks over 8600 GVW were $120 for fiscal year,then all the baggage walz attached,so last check for commercial tabs was $180 feb to feb.
Down side if one displays a company logo or any type of advertising you might fall pray to a green trooper saving our world pulling you over looking for a "DOT" tag number,onboard fire extinguisher....Also one needs to be mindful driving within certain city limits with 1 ton trucks,vans included.
some cities have road restrictions for vehicles with a GVW of 8600lbs passing thru city limits,one locally here in st paul I94 intersecting with I35E comes to mind,big arse sign "No vehicles over 8600GVW" this is primarly to re-route semi's to 35W further down West bound I94,seems local resodent's bitch about semi's jake breaking thru this 35E cooridor neighborhood
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Yes I like this truck talk. I would actually now after all of this research like a 2019 3/4 ton with a 6.6 liter probably gas even though it is cool as heck to have a diesel. Ya l do like the diesel thing. LOL Well it will be a couple of years before it happens so hopefully I can get a good used one for a decent price. My Ram will still be in great shape and probably have 70K miles on it so hopefully a lot of $$$.. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
To bad we bought a boat last year. My original plan was to keep this one for 5-6 years then get a new one. Would have been about the right time for ya. You could have bought mine. But now with the boat purchase I may be keeping it a few more years longer.
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That would have been great JB!
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Nobody here needs a 1 ton if all you are doing is pulling recreational trailers. My 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins will pull anything I hook behind it. I added air bags and it basically is now the same as a 1 ton.
Snow, the deal with 35E was a concession they had to make with the neighborhood back when they wanted to build that freeway. It's kind of dumb but I see it from the residents standpoint.
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The only reason I wanted the 1 ton was because of the price of tabs vs 3/4 ton. At the time it was $126 vs $500 plus for tabs.
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The only reason I wanted the 1 ton was because of the price of tabs vs 3/4 ton. At the time it was $126 vs $500 plus for tabs.
Ah no worries JB, nothin wrong with over kill,I'm a firm believer in heavy duty is always better,whether it's my firearms,ammo,utility rig etc, heavy duty = less wear and tear,as I stated above this new generation 1500 silverado with this new upgraded 3lit duramax engine has trailering spec's of 13k#s,if I had a 7,8 ,9 or10k# travel trailer and hit the road a few times/year I would most definately opt for a 2500 or even a 3500 even tho my 1500 could do the job at hand,but that's me...
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While we're at it let's keep gabbing. We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around. We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.
Bobber,1 ton trucks are deemed commercial GVW rating over 8600 lbs,commercial tags are pro rated in minnesota from febuary to febuary,today our commercial tags took a road tax bump thanx to walz of $20,so new 1 ton license fee's are $180/year.
FYI.
Yes I know that snow but with all the extra wheelage taxes they add in I would gladly pay 180 than what I've been paying since new. Mine have only dropped about 75 -80$ a year so if you do the math I've shelled out more in 5 years than I would in 10 with a one ton. This 3/4 ton has E rated tires so I might as well get the rest with a cheaper yearly bend over. :happy1:
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Hello gentlemen and Glenn. It's been a bit but this thread caught my eye. Always fun to talk trucks. I usually trade every 3 years and it's about that time again. I'm in the half ton market and usually buy what I think looks the coolest. Currently in a 2019 ram Laramie sport with around 24000 miles. The talk here about the chevy with the little duramax caught my eye. I used to be a chevy guy but their quality since about 2007 has been terrible. Even when I was looking at them in 2019 they seemed to be light years behind ford and ram. I believe they have some lawsuits going on right now with their engine issues. However with the new refresh it's looks like they might be catching up. What are your guys thoughts?
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I would actually go with a Ford, Ram, or GM depending what the deal was and what the truck looked like. Have you ever had a Ram 2500 General? I read that they get the best mileage.
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Hello gentlemen and Glenn. It's been a bit but this thread caught my eye. Always fun to talk trucks. I usually trade every 3 years and it's about that time again. I'm in the half ton market and usually buy what I think looks the coolest. Currently in a 2019 ram Laramie sport with around 24000 miles. The talk here about the chevy with the little duramax caught my eye. I used to be a chevy guy but their quality since about 2007 has been terrible. Even when I was looking at them in 2019 they seemed to be light years behind ford and ram. I believe they have some lawsuits going on right now with their engine issues. However with the new refresh it's looks like they might be catching up. What are your guys thoughts?
just maybe you should drive a bicycle!!!!!!!!! :sleazy: :evil: :mooning: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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I would actually go with a Ford, Ram, or GM depending what the deal was and what the truck looked like. Have you ever had a Ram 2500 General? I read that they get the best mileage.
I've never owned anything other than a 1500 in any brand. But if I did I think I'd go with the 3500 if the money worked and it saved me money on tabs. What is the price difference between a 1 ton and a 3/4 ton all other options being the same?
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Hello gentlemen and Glenn. It's been a bit but this thread caught my eye. Always fun to talk trucks. I usually trade every 3 years and it's about that time again. I'm in the half ton market and usually buy what I think looks the coolest. Currently in a 2019 ram Laramie sport with around 24000 miles. The talk here about the chevy with the little duramax caught my eye. I used to be a chevy guy but their quality since about 2007 has been terrible. Even when I was looking at them in 2019 they seemed to be light years behind ford and ram. I believe they have some lawsuits going on right now with their engine issues. However with the new refresh it's looks like they might be catching up. What are your guys thoughts?
just maybe you should drive a bicycle!!!!!!!!! :sleazy: :evil: :mooning: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I could barely pull my trailer with the tractor to till your garden then.
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:rolleyes: :shocked: well best get a truck then!!👍 :rotflmao:
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If you think Hotshot guys and RV delivery guys know anything, it's Dodge, Ford then anything GMC. Dodge has the Cummins, GMC has the Allison tranny, Ford has the Powerstroke & alum bodies. Ford also made inroads with their new 7.3 gas motors with the 10 speed automatic tranny.
The Dodge Cummins will outdo all the rest when it comes to mileage and it's not even close.
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Yeah well it's a dodge.... meh.agree about the only good thing about the dodge is the cummings engine,otherwise just a tin can.There I said it.We all have our likes and dislikes and are stead fast,ford or chevrolet,browning or remington etc.
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Exactly. They are all good, but I am a GM guy myself.
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Dog spells Dodge
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I do think GM's are the best looking of them too. Saw a beautiful GMC Denali 2500 with 47,000 on it for $52,000 online yesterday. It is a 2016. Those Denali's are real spendy. There was a 2021 Denali for $99,000. Unreal.
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The neighbor has 2019 Denali diesel that he said the sticker was $80,000 on. :rolleyes:
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Agreed LP,I priced out and compared the yukon xl and the chevy suburban with the 6.2lit engine (new)GMC was about $20k more plus full time all wheel drive ,suspect denalis are the same(driveline wear and tear comes to mind and fuel cost) yukon has self leveling air suspenion,nice until air shocks crap out ,replacement cost at the time was $1000 for each shock,and hopes the air compressor won't crap out.But folks pay for the quality/name plate just like cadillac.
I've seen friday built chevrolet's come in with gmc name plates and even yukon badging on chevy tahoe's.Kinda like ford crown vic's and mercury marquies,same darn car's
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Doing some reading last night as in watching a few YouTube videos I'm having some second thoughts on looking at a chevy. The lawsuits seem to be legit and one would think if a new truck is going to be $60000 they could put quality parts in their engines and make them last. I watched a couple videos that because of a cheap part the small duramax is having what is called a long start issue. Make a guy think even if they fix the issue what else are they willing to cut corners on.
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Darn. Hopefully and easy fix and not a big issue
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Darn. Hopefully and easy fix and not a big issue
I'm not an engineer but it does just look like if the part was made stronger it wouldn't bend and cause the issue. However to fix on already on the road looks like a huge bill just for labor. I also saw a belt I believe on the oil pump needs to be replaced at 150000 miles and the transmission has to be dropped. That problem will never be mine but it will be someone's.
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Darn. Hopefully and easy fix and not a big issue
I'm not an engineer but it does just look like if the part was made stronger it wouldn't bend and cause the issue. However to fix on already on the road looks like a huge bill just for labor. I also saw a belt I believe on the oil pump needs to be replaced at 150000 miles and the transmission has to be dropped. That problem will never be mine but it will be someone's.
Calm down general,the new upgraded 3lit duramax ain't out yet,not until early summer,what you have read is most likely competitor warfare.I've checked with our heavy line guyz since I'm on the fence purchasing a 1500 with this 3lit diesel,to date not one powertrain issue in our shop,have yet to see one with 100k miles or more on the original 3lit engine.
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I'm calm. I would actually like to purchase one but I tend to over research things. I believe the things I'm stating are real issues but maybe not. YouTube 3.0 duramax long crank issue, it doesn't seem to be a bunch of competitors trying to bad mouth. One of the videos even shows the teardown and the broken part. I'm also well aware every company tries to cut corners where they can. If someone orders a new truck are you guys charging MSRP on trucks?
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I'm calm. I would actually like to purchase one but I tend to over research things. I believe the things I'm stating are real issues but maybe not. YouTube 3.0 duramax long crank issue, it doesn't seem to be a bunch of competitors trying to bad mouth. One of the videos even shows the teardown and the broken part. I'm also well aware every company tries to cut corners where they can. If someone orders a new truck are you guys charging MSRP on trucks?
Again this updated powertrain hasn't hit the dealers yet is what I'm saying,most often anything new in our automotive industry has issues even tho month's of proto types on the street....you should see the nightmares 2020 year chevrolets new mid engine corvette,today 2022 all ironed out.
Today all dealers get sticker price due to lack of inventory less any factory incentives,I've checked smaller mom n pop type dealers getting over sticker,also had word that a certain dealership up north charges $2k extra to customers w/o a trade purchasing a truck,also extra charge iffin vehicle buyers don't finance thru dealer,have not confirmed this but wouldn't surprise me,bottom line general unless your in a need need new vehicle now I would wait until 2023 when hopefully things get back to normal,...but dealers nation wide are struggling all makes and are on the excutives big time,both new and used,this effects the repair shops as well,nothing to sell no warrenty or repair money coming in,just a shete show for all dealers
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So in a nut shell don't buy GM "G"
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So in a nut shell don't buy GM "G"
potty mouth!!!!!! :tut: :tut: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :mooning:
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Boy all this truck talk about 3/4 ton and one-ton diesels got me feeling a little self-conscience. :rotflmao: I've been talking to my brother-in-law about swapping my 2014 F150 for his 2019 Ranger. I bought the F150 from him when he bought the Ranger. He tells me he doesn't like the Ranger and it's been sitting for quite a while. I would have to give him his truck back and some cash as well. It's a step down in size and my masculinity would take a hit but the Ranger is virtually new. When it warms up a bit we may swap trucks for a while. Maybe and extended test trial.
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DE you can just tell the guys you run into that your big rig is in the shop and that is your wifes truck. :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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That was a little Boarnize wasn't it. LOL
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I'm calm. I would actually like to purchase one but I tend to over research things. I believe the things I'm stating are real issues but maybe not. YouTube 3.0 duramax long crank issue, it doesn't seem to be a bunch of competitors trying to bad mouth. One of the videos even shows the teardown and the broken part. I'm also well aware every company tries to cut corners where they can. If someone orders a new truck are you guys charging MSRP on trucks?
Again this updated powertrain hasn't hit the dealers yet is what I'm saying,most often anything new in our automotive industry has issues even tho month's of proto types on the street....you should see the nightmares 2020 year chevrolets new mid engine corvette,today 2022 all ironed out.
Today all dealers get sticker price due to lack of inventory less any factory incentives,I've checked smaller mom n pop type dealers getting over sticker,also had word that a certain dealership up north charges $2k extra to customers w/o a trade purchasing a truck,also extra charge iffin vehicle buyers don't finance thru dealer,have not confirmed this but wouldn't surprise me,bottom line general unless your in a need need new vehicle now I would wait until 2023 when hopefully things get back to normal,...but dealers nation wide are struggling all makes and are on the excutives big time,both new and used,this effects the repair shops as well,nothing to sell no warrenty or repair money coming in,just a shete show for all dealers
Glad to hear they got the vette figured out in a couple years. I honestly say this with zero disrespect as the guys around here who know me know I have zero bias on vehicles and have owned all of the big three and I’m sure will again. But GM has yet to figure out the 5.3 since it was wrecked when AFM was introduced in 07. It along with the 6.2 has another class action lawsuit. Listed......
But the GM class action lawsuit alleges the lifters malfunction and prematurely fail because of multiple reasons.
The lifters (including the locking pin) allegedly do not conform to design specifications, are installed in an incorrect position in the lifter guide and/or are made of sub-standard materials.
GM also allegedly didn't consider the expansion and contraction rates of the lifters and the engine block, and the bores in which the lifters are inserted have widths that allegedly do not allow for the necessary clearance of the lifter to move freely, which damages the lifters.
A GM lifter recall should also allegedly be ordered because the automaker allegedly "failed to account for the amount of increased pressure to which the AFM lifters are exposed by the pressurized oil used to operate the lifters, causing them to fail prematurely."
The plaintiffs further claim more valve train maintenance is needed, more than is advised in GM's maintenance guides.
This allegedly includes, "more frequent oil changes, engine flushing and cleaning and/or replacing the valve lifter oil manifold and its filter at regular intervals."
According to the class action lawsuit, GM allegedly replaces the defective parts with equally defective parts that continue to fail and cause a ticking noise from the engine. Additionally, the lifter problems can cause the vehicle to lose power, "hesitate, and the engine can misfire, stall, shudder, stutter, or surge."
So yes I really hope GM will fix whatever issue the little diesel has but even if they don’t it still might not stop me from buying it because in 3 years it will be someone else problem not mine and warranty would cover any issue I had. I also know every other brand has their issues too. I was thinking about getting the little ram diesel before I bought my current 2019 but they didn’t offer it in the new body style and it had a bunch of issues as well. Ram also has the lifter tick in the 5.7 hemi that sounds like is caused by an inferior oil pump and too much idling and the fix is as simple as putting in a better pump. Which they already have in the bigger hemi so it would be so easy to add but hey if they can save $10 on every oil pump and sell 1 million vehicles that’s 10million profit. Who really cares about the customer.
I obviously don’t need need a new vehicle and haven’t even done much checking on prices but one would think that if a dealer is going to sell a truck today at MSRP or above that they would have sold 1 or 2 years ago at $10,000 off sticker price that just means that my trade in is worth $10,000 more too. So it should be a wash.
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I really like my 2016 Ram 1500 Big Horn with the 5.7 Hemi. I read that at about 50,000 the exhaust manifold bolts can fail and then they replace them with better bolts. Well at about 48,000 mine started ticking and sure enough it was those bolts on the right side. I had warranty on it so they fixed it for me. I think they said it was a 4 or 5 hundred dollar deal.
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General,alot of what you stated is true from early days of AFM 07 thru 2010,also 1 in 5 5.3 engines had oil consumption issues,not a recall item just a bulletin that GM was aware of the issue and offered customers added trade value (rebate) or a fix,at first GM replaced defective engines then the banko then the fix but covered by the 100k powertrain warrenty,infact the fixed 5.3 engines were covered up to 150k back then and currently a none issue these days but GM recommends synthetice blend oil or 100%.,my last two chevy 1500's with the 5.3lit engine nary a problem both had well over 100k miles.
You bringing up old news reminds me of the mid 80's chevy pickup's with saddle fuel tanks...man that issue haunted GM for years...
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General,alot of what you stated is true from early days of AFM 07 thru 2010,also 1 in 5 5.3 engines had oil consumption issues,not a recall item just a bulletin that GM was aware of the issue and offered customers added trade value (rebate) or a fix,at first GM replaced defective engines then the banko then the fix but covered by the 100k powertrain warrenty,infact the fixed 5.3 engines were covered up to 150k back then and currently a none issue these days but GM recommends synthetice blend oil or 100%.,my last two chevy 1500's with the 5.3lit engine nary a problem both had well over 100k miles.
You bringing up old news reminds me of the mid 80's chevy pickup's with saddle fuel tanks...man that issue haunted GM for years...
I don't think December 2021 is that old of news. But you didn't mention anything about that. Only reason I brought up the oil consumption issue is because I know of people still having the issue with a 2018 5.3. He figures this year he will be over the "its within specs to burn a quart of oil every 3000 miles". He may have said a different number on the miles but I'm pretty sure he said 3000. Could he be the only guy with issues, I guess so.
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our shop tells me 1 qt /1000 miles is GM's normal,I'm thinking your research from 2021 is old news from 2007-2010 is my guess but who know's?,nothing alarming to date from 2010 and my personel trucks,must be hit or miss,nothing is perfect in our vehicles,when I first started considering the 3lit diesel 3 years ago I backed off as I'm in the boonies in south dakota once I make the move permanent don't want issues,after consulting with our shop mgr (master tech) he claimed the few 3lit engines that come thru the shop were in for general maintainence only,then I thought why pay an extra $5k for the diesel powertrain as I don't trailer anything heavy and once full time in south dakota,won't drive much either,so I priced out a 4.3lit v-6 1500 regular cab 4x4,$22k with my discounts and rebates back then,walked thru the shop that day and there was a 2019 work truck v-6 (4.3litengine) up on a rack chatted with the tech,truck had 33k miles,engine was toast shot that deal.
The more I kick idea's around for a new truck I might end up with a crew cab colorado,again I chatted with the shop mgr about my thoughts,first thing he tells me "oh you don't want the colorado.
Me: why not? issues?
mgr: nothing I can point out but little things...
Me; like what?
Mgr...no answer. just stuff.
I baby my rigs but sure don't want issues down the road,some things are unavoidable no matter what.
my current little honda grocery getter has 200k miles,tranny fluid has never been changed,I bought this car in 2004 for my mother new,she passed on and I took this little rice burner from my dad when he went to senior care.as much as I hate driving this little car she runs great no rust never hits speeds over 60mph,35mpgs,down side is city driving in a small car,shete happens to fast.
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I have looked at the plain jane work trucks before too. No carpet and not a lot of options. I sure like electric windows though. Much cheaper and less to go wrong. But in the end I spend more for a nicer truck.
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Snow, my 2021 research is the current lawsuit I listed above for inferior lifters in the 5.3 and 6.2.
1 quart for every 1000 miles is acceptable and normal? WOW is about all I can say to that.
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I have looked at the plain jane work trucks before too. No carpet and not a lot of options. I sure like electric windows though. Much cheaper and less to go wrong. But in the end I spend more for a nicer truck.
You should you worked hard all your life so enjoy my friend.
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Almost choked on my spit, i thought you wer quoting glenn.
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Almost choked on my spit, i thought you wer quoting glenn.
Yeah right. Good one. :happy1:
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: you 2 paper and pen pushers couldn't hold a candle to this auld phart!;! :mooning :rotflmao::
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Snow, my 2021 research is the current lawsuit I listed above for inferior lifters in the 5.3 and 6.2.
1 quart for every 1000 miles is acceptable and normal? WOW is about all I can say to that.
Yeah no kidding,I suspect GM's pocket book is tight these day's ,no sales business to speak of.
My guess again on this law suit you speak of will continue to resurface next year...copy right 2022 as nothing new relating to lifter issues in our shop or my personel trucks,seems GM's recommendation for newer trucks to use dextos1 semi synthetic oil or 100% mobil 1 is the easy fix these days.
I remember couple years ago ford having it's issues with they're faulty advertising on the v-6 eco boost.boasting 25mpg,big time false advertising suit,plus turbo's shot between 60-70k miles just out of powertrain warrenty,north dakota dealer lot's were full of these v-6 trucks from oil patch workers commuting many miles from motels to field work everyday,these trucks were lucky to get 13-15mpg's,shete happens.Most of these guys reverted back to fords small v-8 engines.
I'm curious if GM's new 4cyc turbo in these 1500 trucks sell,I drove one, gutless unless you put your foot into it and the turbo kicks in,guessing these turbo's will crap out down the road as well.
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I have looked at the plain jane work trucks before too. No carpet and not a lot of options. I sure like electric windows though. Much cheaper and less to go wrong. But in the end I spend more for a nicer truck.
Agreed LP,I like the vinyl floor as well,just hose it down to clean,you can order a chevy work truck with a convience package to get power windows,door locks,cruise control or order the LT1 with a vinyl floor to get a nicer cloth interior seat or buckets ,better stereo,auto start etc,about $3k more than the work truck.
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The neighbor has 2019 Denali diesel that he said the sticker was $80,000 on. :rolleyes:
Just an FYI, I talked to the neighbor this morning already & asked him about his truck................................it is a 2019 GMC Denali 2500 with the Duramax & a 6 speed transmission.
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We almost got a 2019 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax when we bought our truck. We would have had to go out to Dickenson ND to get it. At the end of 2019 the had them reduced 25% and the price was 62k. We ended up getting the 2020 that showed up.
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gunner,nice rig....I've seen a chevrolet 2500 "high country pkg" diesel loaded to the max with a $98k sticker....crazy! I've seen young couples purchase a nicely equiped suburban leave the dealership with a $2000/mo truck payment...yikes.
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We almost got a 2019 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax when we bought our truck. We would have had to go out to Dickenson ND to get it. At the end of 2019 the had them reduced 25% and the price was 62k. We ended up getting the 2020 that showed up.
Curious JB,is your trailer truck a dually?
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Do you have an 8 spd tranny in that 2000 JB?
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Snow, my 2021 research is the current lawsuit I listed above for inferior lifters in the 5.3 and 6.2.
1 quart for every 1000 miles is acceptable and normal? WOW is about all I can say to that.
Yeah no kidding,I suspect GM's pocket book is tight these day's ,no sales business to speak of.
My guess again on this law suit you speak of will continue to resurface next year...copy right 2022 as nothing new relating to lifter issues in our shop or my personel trucks,seems GM's recommendation for newer trucks to use dextos1 semi synthetic oil or 100% mobil 1 is the easy fix these days.
I remember couple years ago ford having it's issues with they're faulty advertising on the v-6 eco boost.boasting 25mpg,big time false advertising suit,plus turbo's shot between 60-70k miles just out of powertrain warrenty,north dakota dealer lot's were full of these v-6 trucks from oil patch workers commuting many miles from motels to field work everyday,these trucks were lucky to get 13-15mpg's,shete happens.Most of these guys reverted back to the small v-8 engines.
I'm curious if GM's new 4cyc turbo in these 1500 trucks sell,I drove one, gutless unless you put your foot into it and the turbo kicks in,guessing these turbo's will crap out down the road as well.
One would think manufacturers would be able to get a turbo right. They have been around for decades. These manufacturers need to stop cutting corners on important things. However the only way that will happen is if people stop buying their products. Yet here I am looking at another truck. Too bad one manufacture couldn’t build a truck that will last like a Camry.
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Couldn't agree more General,ford claims they're dual turbo's run at an alarming 2400revs per minute,that's bookoo wear n tear in my view.
I miss the old days,small block v-8,5spd manuel tranny,crank windows etc,this was before we had 8 track tapes.A/C was the windows rolled down at 50mph.
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Yet here I am looking at another truck. Too bad one manufacture couldn’t build a truck that will last like a Camry.
They do... It's called a Tacoma. ;)
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I have yet to see a rice burner truck with a 8' plow,I did see a toy truck pull up with a ranger 619 at a lake access to launch his rig,toy truck really grunted backing up and the trailer tongue weight had the rear bumper 12"s off the ground,besides can't get my big ares in one of these toy trucks,both dodge and ford have spacious rear seating last time I looked at full size crew cabs.
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is Tacoma full size??
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We almost got a 2019 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax when we bought our truck. We would have had to go out to Dickenson ND to get it. At the end of 2019 the had them reduced 25% and the price was 62k. We ended up getting the 2020 that showed up.
Curious JB,is your trailer truck a dually?
No, just single rear wheels on my truck.
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Do you have an 8 spd tranny in that 2000 JB?
It has the 10 speed tranny in it.
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I have yet to see a rice burner truck with a 8' plow,I did see a toy truck pull up with a ranger 619 at a lake access to launch his rig,toy truck really grunted backing up and the trailer tongue weight had the rear bumper 12"s off the ground,besides can't get my big ares in one of these toy trucks,both dodge and ford have spacious rear seating last time I looked at full size crew cabs.
The 2020 HD Crew cab has mega room in the back seat.
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Two summers ago one of my friends whose son guides on the lake was up at the NW Angle and his client had a Toy truck. They couldn't get the Ranger boat out of the water so my friend drove up with his Ram 2500 to get them back on dry land. The ramp was too steep for that Toyota.
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I've seen that before, pretty sad when your pulling something heavier than your pulling it with..
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Couldn't agree more General,ford claims they're dual turbo's run at an alarming 2400revs per minute,that's bookoo wear n tear in my view.
I miss the old days,small block v-8,5spd manuel tranny,crank windows etc,this was before we had 8 track tapes.A/C was the windows rolled down at 50mph.
I’d be okay with that on a nice weekend. Otherwise give me everything in today’s ram interior and ride, with a brand new 2006 Chevy 5.3, with fords aluminum body so it doesn’t rust out, and with Toyota reliability. Who should I make the check out to?
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Maybe one of those shows on TV that do fun things with trucks. Let me know when you figure it out General.
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Two summers ago one of my friends whose son guides on the lake was up at the NW Angle and his client had a Toy truck. They couldn't get the Ranger boat out of the water so my friend drove up with his Ram 2500 to get them back on dry land. The ramp was too steep for that Toyota.
Did they lose traction or just not know how to engage 4 low? Can’t be as bad though as when we were out on Red lake that time and I had to have Boar hook up his chevy to help me get that hog of a fish house off the spot.
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Maybe one of those shows on TV that do fun things with trucks. Let me know when you figure it out General.
In your case I’d want the Chevy looks in aluminum, Allison tranny, Ram interior and creature comforts (if they are like the half ton) and a Cummins, with Toyota reliability.
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I wondered that too. I guess all he did was spin his tires.
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Two summers ago one of my friends whose son guides on the lake was up at the NW Angle and his client had a Toy truck. They couldn't get the Ranger boat out of the water so my friend drove up with his Ram 2500 to get them back on dry land. The ramp was too steep for that Toyota.
Did they lose traction or just not know how to engage 4 low? Can’t be as bad though as when we were out on Red lake that time and I had to have Boar hook up his chevy to help me get that hog of a fish house off the spot.
well we know that fishhouse didnt have fish in it to weigh it down!!!!! :evil: :rotflmao: maybe bring less beer too!!!!!!! :scratch: :rotflmao:
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Two summers ago one of my friends whose son guides on the lake was up at the NW Angle and his client had a Toy truck. They couldn't get the Ranger boat out of the water so my friend drove up with his Ram 2500 to get them back on dry land. The ramp was too steep for that Toyota.
Did they lose traction or just not know how to engage 4 low? Can’t be as bad though as when we were out on Red lake that time and I had to have Boar hook up his chevy to help me get that hog of a fish house off the spot.
well we know that fishhouse didnt have fish in it to weigh it down!!!!! :evil: :rotflmao: maybe bring less beer too!!!!!!! :scratch: :rotflmao:
Less beer? Those are fighting words.
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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :happy1:
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Oh yea! My chevy pulled his ford an32 ft castle , thru 3 ft of snow to land
, that was fun
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Years ago were we on Red and a buddy got his Dodge stuck in the middle of a 3 foot snow drift with a foot of water underneath. He hit it fast. So we had 2 truck hooked up to it to pull it out. Of course the Ford was in the middle. So when we were pulling it out it looked like my Chebby was pulling both the Ford and Dodge out. :happy1: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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General,
these newer GM trucks all have parcial aluminum skin.hood,rocker panel and tailgate even tho the entire body is double sided galvinized sheet metal to help pro long rusting.seems the weak area's prone to rust on older GM trucks are the wheel wells (rear) and tailgate.
today GM installed wheel well liners to help address the rusting which occures on the inside wheel well lip,area holds snow/road salt,exterior paint factory clear coat keeps surface rust at bay unlike the old 1980's era trucks that had major rust body cancer after two winters of road salt here in minn.
Further,,down side to aluminum body parts is the expense to repair/rather replace...ins preiums ^^ door dings hail etc unlike sheet metal that has memory and can be PDR'd fixed,aluminum needs said sheet metal replaced,buddy had some hood hail dings,normally a $50 bill to PDR (paintless dent repair) he showed me his insurance claim for body shop replacing hood skin and paint,$4500!
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1980’s? My 08 gmc had surface rust on the wheel wells by 30,000 miles. Had them repaired and by the time I sold it with 70,000 miles the rust had returned and the inside of the doors were rusting. Hey Boar any pictures of you current Chevy? Any rust issues?
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Yeah thers cancer o. Bith rear wells bad, wasnt ther wen i boutght 5 yrsago, sucks, the plugs are in either.
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My 2007 Silverado started rusting on the rocker panels or whatever you call it below the doors in 2009. Fortunately they repainted it under warranty. It is now my beater trunk, but the panels are long gone.
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Yeah our state winters take a toll on our sheet metal vehicles even tho GM trucks are galvinized double sided sheet metal with a 5yr 100k rst warrenty on the body,they're not rust bullet proof tho ,I'm a firm believer in under coating and rust proofing,my little honda grocery getter I bought new in 2004 for my parents I had rust proofed,under coated,paint sealed and today with 200k on it,zero rust ,unherd of for rice burners,they always start rusting after one minn winter,helps to wash the road salt off couple times/month,I also found a paint sealer one can purchase online called "ceramic paint sealer" sure helps the paint from oxidizing and rain just beads up/runs off no spots
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That is crazy. My 2005 had no rust on it when I sold it 2 years ago and when my friend drove it up in January it still looked the same. I was pretty religious about spraying those areas out with water every time I gave it a bath. I remember my sister in law one time making a snarky comment about me washing the underneath of the truck. There is a reason.
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My 2007 Silverado started rusting on the rocker panels or whatever you call it below the doors in 2009. Fortunately they repainted it under warranty. It is now my beater trunk, but the panels are long gone.
yeah coop,kinda common on our minnesota vehicles,GM has always had issues on driver lower doors rusting,body shop tells me most folks getting in driver side during winter months kick the snow and grit off on the rocker getting in driver side door,Gm's car/truck doors are spot welded on the lower lip catching alot of this moisture,rust begins.
Tailgates is another rust hotspot...on older GM trucks take a look at the tailgate handle,it's wide open all the winter salty road spray swirls in that opening resulting in corrosion and rusted out tailgate handle and parts.Good way to pre empt this is W-40 thru out the winter months along with pressure washing,like the inside of the wheel wells.
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My tailgate is not rusting, or the rest of the truck for that matter, just those rocker panel. The truck has 160000 miles on it and has been trouble free mechanically, just front brakes and both front wheel bearings.
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I bought a new Dodge in 85 and a new Silverado in 95. Kept them both for 10 years. When I traded them neither had rust issues anywhere on them. I did hand wash them at the shop and always sprayed out inside the wheel wells each time. Gobs of dirt and salt washed out of those spots. Now I hit the carwash regularly and I think it is paramount to keeping them in good shape. Seems counter productive when the roads are salty but gets the old stuff off.
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I drive on a lot of dirt roads. I don’t think that help.