DNR over stepping there power?

[jkcmj]

Although I agree with reasonable protection for wetlands, I cringe when I think of the left wing creeps involved with organizations like ducks unlimited, sierra club, world wildlife fund, etc... that lobbied for laws that prevented the county and state from selling lands with all or a portion designated as wetland.  That accounts for nearly all of the northern county and state land.  If they had a puddle for ducks on any part, they are unable to sell the property.  A big loss for private land ownership which is our only protection from the anti-hunting segments of society that make up a large portion of the voting public.  All hunting groups suffered a huge loss when the wetlands conservation act passed in its current form, keeping these huge tracts of land forever under public control.  I fear soon we will lose all access to hunt these areas as anti-hunting groups take control of state/national forest lands.  This is especially scary in a state like MN, which has overwhelmingly voted for politicians that are anti-gun, anti-hunting, anti-trapping in recent elections.  Any government ownership can and will eventually lead to restricted access for activities like shooting, hunting, trapping, etc... Each year the push to ban bear baiting and recreational shooting on National forest lands across the nation gets stronger.  Once this happens the state and county lands often follow suite.

[Finlander]

jkcmj , There are many people complaining that there is not enough public land to hunt . Now you say it should all go into private ownership to protect it from the antihunters ? That does not make any sense ! If you take away all the public land , all those people that hunt public land will have to quit hunting . Then that makes it so unless you have money to buy some hunting land , your screwed . Then there will be less people supporting our hunting privileges . Apparantly you must own hunting land . If you don't , you must hunt public land or a friends land . I hunt public lands because all I could afford is a small 1.5 acre lot to put a cabin on . Some people cannot even afford that. Do you go out and support hunting get togethers like the one they had at the capital ?  I have not in the past but I may start . From what I remember , hunting groups were backing the wetlands protection act as was I . The big reason was because of farmers draining wetlands on there own property to make more room for crops. It was a steady thing until this law was passed . Then all the rain water could do was run down drainage ditches washing soil and whatever chemicals away to the rivers and lakes instead of filtering through wetlands back into the ground. I don't know where you live , but I grew up in Anoka Co. . From the hunting I did in the county in the 70's when I was in High school , I found a lot of drainage ditches . They drained alot of the NE portion back in the 20's and 30's . If they never drained that alot of those houses would not be there now. There would probably have been a lot more public lands in that County than there is now. I personally hunt northern MN now and sometimes western MN.

 If you don't want to lose your hunting privileges you have to speak up and rally support . Contact your representatives and Senators . I have numerous times over the years. A lot of the time you have to be persistant and sometimes it falls on deaf ears because of their personal beliefs . But , they are your elected official and they are suppossed to represent you and that has to be reminded . That is how the anti's get there support . Some of those big name squawkers are actually only a few people that are very persistant. Keep voting for your beliefs and if they don't do the job vote for someone else. If you don't vote you have nothing to complain about , right ?

[jkcmj]

As we saw in the case mentioned in this thread, private lands can still have protected wetlands.  Anyone who relies on government ownership for their hunting land is going to be in for a rude awakening as the tide changes in this country.  According to each of our current presidential candidates, all wish to allow citizenship for all of the current illegal immigrants in this country as well as allow their families to come.  Early estimates are 100 million new citizens starting to skew the voting public to the far left.  They will vote for welfare benefits and free healthcare.  Hunting and gun ownership are not a priority for this new voting block.  This will forever skew the political spectrum away from our core hunting traditions and values.  I vote every election, I write my representatives, I call and email.  What we really need to do is work toward organized hunting clubs, private land trusts, limited government ownership, and protecting rural property from overdevelopement.   

[Finlander]

But as was said before . The president cannot change everything . He has the house and senate to deal with . The president can only try to persuade them to his view. We can try to persuade or reps and senators along with clubs like the NRA, Deer Hunters Ass. etc. doing the same lobbying. Then when the next elections come along for the reps and senators we can try to make sure it goes back to the conservative point of view .  I'm not happy with all the illegals being here niether . The second shift at work only has about 30% english speaking, the rest is a mix . Are they here legally ? I can't tell you . I don't know . The one thing that I can tell you is that not all like or are for welfare . It's demeaning to them as it would be for me.

 As for private hunting , it all sounds to me like its if you can afford it . I just finished my monthly bills and am astonished at how much more money goes out than used to . Many people are having that problem and I think it would be hard to convince them that it is the way to go.

[jkcmj]

I just picked this thread up off of the Humane Society website.  They are well organized and have already gotten a small amount of land locked up.  This organization will continue to grow.  These organizations have warchests worth millions in donations recieved annually.   Something to think about... Hunters and trappers need to start something similar, to guarantee hunting land for the future.  Public Ownership of land is playing right into the anti-hunting groups hands as they are likely to be in the majority eventually and all this land will be under their control.

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[Cody Gruchow]

if i cant hunt any animals then ill just hunt PETA members

[repoman]

i agree with the preservation of wetlands , but when you cant do something on property you pay for thats wrong  in my book . i agree he should of looked into geting a permit then he woulda found out he couldent . but c,mon people noones perfect . and yes its the law and laws are meant to be followed but the law makers arent perfect and just because its law dont make it morally right .!!!!!!!!!!!

i say let the man go with a warning , cause like cody said in  no time you wont be able to tell anyways and i dont think by next year the animals wont care much either .
wetlands are being destroyed everyday millions of acres !!!!! you wanna hang someone out to dry over 100 yards ... everyone makes stupid mistakes 

[repoman]

in this case i believe they are oversteping just a little , hell , they will probably fine the guy 30.000 and use that money to destoy more wetlands