poor sight technique

[ray634]

I have a question about sighting a scope. One fo the boys at camp had no time off to sight in so his dad did it for him. Dad had to move the scope sights 6 inches to the right and down to get on target. Son made a bad shot Sat evening so rechecked zero. He was now 6 inches to the right. Dad shot and it was on, and I shot and it was on, son shot and 6 inches right.
Is this a common situation where someone shots completley off from what another does with the same setup? I watched him shoot and he did not apear to pull the shots. He also complained that he has a hard time seeing a clear pic in the scope; it is all black if he does not get just right position.
This is a $2000 setup from Alaska that worked good for the boy's God-father.
Thanks for any help you can offer

[beeker]

if the two of you can mount and shoot this rifle just fine I would look at how he's mounting this rifle. he could be twisting the rifle to his eye instead of bringing his cheek down to the stock. 

[Benny]

Ok, this is how I get people on target with problem scopes and rifles issues.
Have the person shoulder the firearm, check to make sure the but is tucked into the area between the shoulder muscle and the collar bone.Look to see if they are tillting thier head as if to look through sights with the opposite eye, and also look to see how the firearm is in relation to thier head and cheek.

You want them to have the head in a natural position and not tucked down or tillted over.

Now have them just quickly shoulder the firearm with out worring about seeing the scope or sights.See where the but is now in relation to thier head position.

They should not be moving their head much at all to get the sight picture, if they are tucking down or tillting then you have a fit problem.

If they are tucking down then have them raise the but up a little in the shoulder,or you might have to get taller or shorter mounts for the scope.

If they are tillting check for dominant eye so they are on the same shoulder as the dominant eye or add a cheek rest on the stock.

After you have them shouldering in a comfortable position now look at eye relief to the scope.
In this comfy position they should see the whole diameter of the scope, if not you will have to move the scope back or foward to gain the whole diameter sight picture.

Next you can adjust the eye peice for clarity by loosening the lock ring and turning the rear eye piece on the scope till the cross hairs are blurry then back it out till they clear up for them.

It sounds to me like the eye relief isnt right for the shooter though.

Benny

[deadeye]

Very good information, Benny.   Thanks for posting this as I'm sure the instructions will be used by many.  Especially, the eye dominace and eye relief.

[ray634]

The kid is shooting right eye so that is not the problem. The gun has a stock extension that I suggested taking off as the other guy was a lot bigger than this kid. We will have to do that then set the eye relief and go from there.
Thanks for your help.

[Benny]

Ahh, yes that will cause problems for sure.
Proper stock fit is also measureable, have them put their arm out with fingers pointing up and elbow bent like your signaling a right turn on a sled/atv.

Place the firearm onto the arm right up against the forearm so that the fingers are extended up toward the trigger.

They should be right at the tigger gaurd and trigger if the stock is the right length.

You might have to order a youth stock if that one is still to long after removing the but pad extention.

Try ebay or post here for some one who might have one to sell.

Benny