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Offline Lee Borgersen

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                   Walleye limit on Minnesota's 'crown jewel', Mille Lacs Lake, sparks outcry

Posted: May 23, 2014
 
This year, the :police: Minnesota Department of Natural Resources extended the regular four-week early season night fishing ban on Mille Lacs through the full season, requiring fishermen to get off the lake by 10 p.m. The decision sparked some criticism on the lake.

"This is terrible," Terry Thurmer, who owns Terry's Boat Harbor, said. "Night fishing was a big part of our business." :banghead:


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MILLE LACS – For fishing, nothing beats a big pontoon boat bathed in floodlights and loaded with anglers, bobbing at night on the calm waters of Mille Lacs Lake. There's food. There's probably beer. Hefty walleye flop over the rails in droves.

Terry Thurmer sold that dream, one launch boat cruise at a time, for decades: night fishing for Minnesota's premier sport fish, the walleye. It's a species behind plenty of fish tales however this year, fewer anglers will have stories to tell and that's by design.

This year, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources extended the regular four-week early season night fishing ban on Mille Lacs through the full season, requiring fishermen to get off the lake by 10 p.m. The decision sparked some criticism on the lake.

"This is terrible," Thurmer said. "Night fishing was a big part of our business." :taz:

Thurmer, owns Terry's Boat Harbor, a marina and launch service on the west shore of Mille Lacs. Over the past 25 years, he said, night launch trips were his most popular.

Twin Cities anglers drove north after work, stepped on launch boats at 8 p.m. and cast for walleye until midnight. As many as 40 at a time crowded the decks of Thurmer's boats and those of the half-dozen other launch businesses on Mille Lacs, he said.

Thurmer also ran launch trips through daylight hours, but said night trips made up roughly 70 percent of his business.

That level of popularity, in part, prompted this year's ban.

"It's actually pretty simple," said DNR fisheries supervisor Rick Bruesewitz, who manages Mille Lacs. Each fishing season Mille Lacs has a walleye kill limit. This year it's roughly 60,000 pounds. To stay within that, the DNR has to limit the walleye catch.

In the hours on either side of dusk, fish are more likely to bite. Since it's easier to catch fish at night, there've been more people on the water after dark. Bruesewitz couldn't nail down exact fishing data based on the time of day, but said a good portion of a season's catch leaves Mille Lacs under cover of darkness.

The night ban clips off the most productive part of the fishing day.

"Even if we take the same amount of effort and move it to before the night closure, you end up catching fewer fish," he said. "So more fish stay in the lake."

Mille Lacs Lake is a big deal for the DNR. It's been called the crown jewel :king: of the state's large-lake walleye fishery. Local businesses thrive and fail with the walleye population, and right now the walleye population is at a 40-year low.

Business owners like Thurmer are watching Bruesewitz like hawks. Locals hold a lot of opinions about what's been happening to the walleye population, but Bruesewitz isn't actually sure why walleye numbers are so low. "We're trying to figure out what's going on," he said. :scratch:

Tribal members from the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe are allowed to net fish from the lake, but Bruesewitz said the practice isn't responsible for declining walleye numbers. Researchers are considering climate change as well as competition from other species.

While many business owners see the night ban as a hit to their bottom line, Terry McQuoid, isn't one of them.

McQuoid, who runs launch cruises from McQuoid's Inn on the southeast side of Mille Lacs, said a night ban will keep the fish population healthy.

"It's just slowing the catch," he said. As a 40-year fishing veteran of the lake, he avoids night fishing for what amounts to ethical and moral reasons.

"It makes it too easy fishing at night," McQoid said. "It's not a challenge." At night, he said light from the launch boats attracts plankton, which attracts bait fish, which in turn brings in the big fish. He described it as a biological chain reaction which gives anglers an undue advantage. Even before the night ban, he didn't run night trips on any of his three launch boats.

"We get in at 10 anyhow," he said, "and we have no problem keeping our people coming in the daytime."

By next season, DNR researchers will have a better sense of how the night ban affects walleye numbers, and whether the ban will be extended further.

"Everybody, including us is wondering why we're in the predicament we're in," Bruesewitz said. "That's what we're working on. Everybody is looking for answers, but sometimes answers don't come quickly enough." :doah:
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Well mr bruewitz,thats the same script you read from two months ago at our round table meeting.Tell it like it is for once,does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out this debackle started in 1999 when the netts went in~what a joke~

One of many tubs loaded from netts full of female walleyes loaded with spawn~

As you can see these are not the little males we're told the netts catch~fact is they catch everything that swims



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Well mr bruewitz,thats the same script you read from two months ago at our round table meeting.Tell it like it is for once,does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out this debackle started in 1999 when the netts went in~what a joke~

One of many tubes loaded from netts full of female walleyes loaded with spawn~

As you can see these are not the little males we're told the netts catch~fact is they catch everything that swims
What happened to the lake in the mid 60s when it was refered to the DeadSea?  and I believe a drop in the 80s. There were no nets then.Here again are the resort owners  and busissness pushing again wanting to deplete the lake even more for the almighty buck,then complain the fish are few.Even the head of the area DNR stated his mistake in the past years helping deplete the lake, was listening to the guides,resort owners,and busissness Pushing for more lax rules to draw more people.
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Com'on dew,get a grip,back in the 60's no one knew the lake had mud flats let alone knew about fishing structure,the lake is@ a 40 year low for walleyes and even in the 80's we had folks call it the "dead sea",however folks that knew how and where to fish always caught walleyes way before the electronics that we have today,we've been over this dew many times,here and else where,in short the walleye spawning bio mass is less than 50% today than it was in 1999 when the netting started,the data shows a steady decline every year since 1999,your a mod check out the facts~Keep in mind back in the 80's and 90's we did'nt have reduced limits or slots like we have today and the lake was healthy as hell,then in 1999 when the netting started the dnr panic'd,that 1st year they imposed a 14-16" slot,everything else went back except the one over 28"s.But you would'nt know this dew as you don't fish the lake so why do you care?

Further,we have less operating resorts today than we had in the 90's on mille lacs and yes the mille lacs community depends on the almighty tourism $$,you bet,these are the folks on the frontline taking the hit dew.

Just like upper red lake,guess what dew,@ one time we had 18 up and running resorts on upper red,on just the 50k non rez acres we fish,when the tribe netted out the lake that # dropped to (1) resort by the mid 90's,now after we non natives stocked the lake its thriving like the old days,new reorts popping up on the east shore...BUT keep in mind the red lake tribe is once again commercially netting,we'll wait and see what happens up there in the next 5 years,time will tell.

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Throw in the towel Dew! I believe your in a very small minority with your viewpoint/stance on this issue.


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Can't dew
The minority are the ones who blame others and sue!
 Look at the stats.Science is what I determine my thoughts on.Look at the native take in comparison to state hook and line in the first chart.Then the second.Netters never took 100% of alloted take while hook and liners excede theirs.Heres two easy ones to decipher.I have more also!

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   The charts do not separate pounds from spawning females.   The failed slots were meant to protect the optimal breeding fish.  Right now the tribes are buying up failing resorts and building convention centers.  A few years from now when all the resorts are sold for pennies on the dollar and the tribes get the DNR to restock the lake they will have all the property.    The lake will rebound as did Red.  Smart business as far as I see it.   Conservation is far from the goal here.   :coffee:
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I agree the nets are an issue and without them we would obviously be better off.

I also see another problem... (quick background) I've been fishing the lake religiously for 14 years now. Before that I was there usually for opener and a few times through-out the year.

One thing I have seen in the last 14+ years is low numbers of bait fish and the tullibee have disappeared. Another thing I have seen is an explosion of predators! Giant muskies and lots of them. Also Smallies and tons of them!

No wonder we aren't seeing and new year classes of walleyes.  :doah:

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Dew,

Take Lee's advice,you see there is no science here,just irresponssible folks committing irresponsible acts even tho its their right but one would think common sense would prevail...And "no" we're not the minoity,but infact the MAJORITY~

And "really" the netters never took their allocation???,well not according to their books,I guess you missed all the videos from private citizens of tubs of walleyes leaving the accesses unaccounted,not one tribal or non native dnr on these sites,take a looksey on the C.A.S.S.T website or maybe "fishpole" can post them up for you as he has the file.We really don't know how many spawning walleyes were being taken all these years by the netters without tribal or non tribal observers not on site,further with the declining walleye #'s it does'nt suprise any of us that the netters can'nt reach their quota today,even@17,000lbs this year..

DDS,I have to agree with your logic,sadly your spot on~
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Every fisherman that is on the lake has seen this type of stuff.......




Once these videos started to hit the internet, GLIFC showed up in force to deny their lack of monitoring:


They take way more than they say..................
And these fish won't lay their eggs or fertilize them. All the eggs and milt ends up in the bottom of the boat.
How can anyone say that doesn't make a difference in the fish population?