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Offline JohnWester

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http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/14790236.html
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The New York Mets have agreed to a trade for two-time Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana, giving up four prospects to acquire the Twins' left-handed ace, according to USAToday.com.

The Star Tribune has been unable to confirm the trade.

USAToday.com cited two high-ranking Twins officials with knowledge of the talks and a person close to Santana. 

The deal is pending the Mets and Santana reaching agreement on a six- or seven-year contract extension and that Santana passes a physical; they have been granted a 48- to-72-hour window to do so. Santana has a no-trade clause that he will waive if agreement is reached on a contract extension.

The Mets agreed to send the Twins outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Phil Humber, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey

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The Mets have agreed to a trade with the Minnesota Twins to acquire Johan Santana for four prospects, pending the left-hander working out an extension with New York.

The Mets have been granted a 48- to 72-hour window to work out a new contract with Santana.

If New York can work out a contract agreement with Minnesota, the Mets will send outfielder Carlos Gomez and pitchers Phil Humber, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey to the Twins.

The trade agreement was first reported by USA Today on its Web site.

"Right now, the Twins have no comment," the Twins' head of communications, Mike Herman, told 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand. Mets vice president of media relations Jay Horwitz also had no comment.

Santana, who completely controls his fate because of the full no-trade clause he possesses, asked the Twins to make a decision, which is why Minnesota imposed a Tuesday deadline for offers from the interested teams.

The Red Sox also made offers, while the Yankees appeared to be out of the Santana talks altogether before the Twins accepted the Mets' offer.

The agent for Santana, Peter Greenberg, would not comment on whether he has been told the Mets have worked out a trade for his client, or about Santana's request for resolution.

It is not known if Santana explicitly informed the Twins that he would invoke his no-trade clause and then file for free agency after the 2008 season, but that has always been his right. It appears the Twins have taken his request seriously.

Among the three suitors for Santana, the Mets have the strongest need for a frontline starter, as well as the greatest willingness to pay him the enormous extension he will demand in order to waive his no-trade clause. It is expected that Santana's request will be for a deal in the range of six years for $150 million.

The Twins extended a four-year, $80 million offer to Santana, well beyond the $13.25 million he is scheduled to make in 2008.
bad deal in my opinion.  even though they are top prospects, I think they should have got an established outfielder.
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looks like another minnesota team making a bad move as always 

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Right now looking at it I would say bad move especially when you consider they could have traded with the Yankees and got Phil Hughes.  You never know how prospects will turn out so in 5 years we could look at this as a really great deal or even worse than it seems right now.

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I think the Twins should have acted earlier when the Yankee's were aggressive. 

Who know's what will happen. 

Remember how we got Liriano?  He was thrown in on the deal with Joe Nathan and Boof Bosnor for AJ Pierzynski.

We got Santan as a Rule 5 minor league draft deal in 1999.

Twins sent Frank Viola to the Mets for Rick Aguilera, David West, Kevin Tapani and two other young players in 1989. 
The Mets sent Rick Aguilera, a still young, but proven major league starter, David West, regarded as the Mets' best starting pitching prospect, Kevin Tapani, a solid starter at AAA, Jack Savage, a legitimate bullpen prospect, and Tim Drummond.

How about trading Knoblauch to the Yankees?

Starter Eric Milton, short stop Cristian Guzman, outfielder Brian Buchanan, Minnesota also got right-handed pitcher Daniel Mota.

So, we have had some good trades in the past.  Lets hope this ends up being another one!


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I'm really disappointed that we only received top prospects in this deal and didn't get any young stars. This trade has the potential to be good for the Twins in the close future but it looks terrible for next season.

Even with the Tigers in 08, I had very high hopes for the Twins next season that they could contend for the division and likely win a wildcard bid. We are still weak at CF and now we lost our 20 game winner and ace. Liriano will likely step in and replace Santana, but who will step up and be our #2.

Maybe there is plans of signing someone to replace Santana for a lot less money?
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I don't think you can even say we got top prospects.  We got some of the Mets top prospects, but they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball.

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I am still mulling this one over.  Santanna plays once every five games.  The Mets gave us some solid prospects and we have typically done well with the farm.  MLB is my favorite pastime however not at the Dome, so I am excited for the new stadium and and hopefully these guys will be a part of that.  Expect Nathan to go next.
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I don't think you can even say we got top prospects.  We got some of the Mets top prospects, but they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball.

I agree.
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Minnesota can reap quick benefits from deal
Trading four prospects empties already dwindled New York coffers
By Lisa Winston / MLB.com 

At 18, Deolis Guerra may be the last to reach Minnesota, but he might have the biggest impact. (Jerry Hale/MLB.com)



The New York Mets effectively stripped their already spartan farm system bare with Tuesday's deal for perennial Cy Young candidate Johan Santana, while the Minnesota Twins could start reaping the benefits as early as Opening Day and for years to come. While a talent like Santana is pretty much irreplaceable, the Twins received good return in an inevitable deal.
Carlos Gomez, OF: The most Major League-ready of the quartet of players landed by the Twins, Gomez only retained rookie status in 2007 because he broke a hamate bone in his left hand in July, which sidelined him for two months after he made his Major League debut in May. At 21, he was the youngest player in the National League at the time. Before his callup, Gomez had been somewhat overlooked when discussing Mets outfield prospects because of all the talk surrounding teenage sensation Fernando Martinez. But Gomez had cruised through the organization, skipping from Class A Hagerstown in 2005 to Double-A Binghamton in 2006, showing no apparent need for some time at Advanced A. He hit .281 with 41 steals in the Eastern League at age 20. He has all the tools you look for in a premier outfielder, with the speed for center and the arm for right. He was hitting .286 at Triple-A New Orleans with 17 steals before his spring promotion, and then batted .232 with 12 more swipes in 125 at-bats with the Mets before his injury. The Twins' current outfield mix features Michael Cuddyer, newly acquired Delmon Young, Jason Kubel and veteran Craig Monroe. Look for Gomez to charge right into that pack to make a claim for one of the spots.

Deolis Guerra, RHP: The 6-foot-5 Venezuelan prospect, who won't turn 19 until April, ranked just behind the apparently untouchable outfielder Fernando Martinez when it comes to Mets prospects, but he is likely to be the last to arrive in Minnesota. When he gets there, however, it should be for a nice long time. Guerra made his pro debut in stellar style in 2006 when, at age 17, he posted a 2.20 ERA at Class A Hagerstown, limiting South Atlantic League hitters to a .208 average. In '07, still at 17, he was the Opening Day starter for Class A Advanced St. Lucie and pitched in the Futures Game as well. He battled some shoulder tendinitis, which limited his innings, but posted a 4.01 ERA in 90 innings in the Florida State League with a fastball in the low-to-mid 90s and a plus changeup, which ranked as the best in the Mets' system. He continues to work on improving his curveball and refining his overall game. While he could start the season at Double-A New Britain, it is more likely that the Twins will opt to keep him back in warmer climate of Fort Myers, Fla., before sending him to the Eastern League later in the summer.

 
Philip Humber, RHP: With a strong spring, Humber could factor into the wide-open, but still competitive, battle for a Twins rotation spot. Drafted out of Rice University with the third-overall pick in 2004 and signed for a $3 million bonus, his pro career got off to a sluggish start as he posted a 4.99 ERA at Class A Advanced St. Lucie in 2005 before undergoing Tommy John surgery in July. He's yet to really come back in pre-surgery form, but his trademark curveball is still a plus pitch. He spent most of '07 in New Orleans, where he was 11-9 with a 4.27 ERA in 25 starts, striking out 120 batters in 139 innings. He finished the summer with three games in New York, posting a 7.71 ERA in seven innings. He is no longer the untouchable can't-miss prospect he was when he signed in '04, but at 25 years old and now two years removed from his surgery, 2008 could be a big one for him.

Kevin Mulvey, RHP: Though his name is not generally mentioned in the same breath as the elite pitching prospects in the Mets system (Guerra, Humber and Mike Pelfrey), Mulvey is no slouch either. Drafted out of Villanova in the second round with the Mets' first pick in 2006, he appeared in just a handful of games that summer before earning the organization's Minor League Pitcher of the Year honors in 2007. A Futures Game selection and Eastern League All-Star, the 22-year-old went 11-10 with a 3.32 ERA at Double-A Binghamton before finishing his season with one scoreless start at Triple-A New Orleans. Without one dominating pitch, he mixes four solid offerings highlighted by his slider with good control. He is likely to begin 2008 at Triple-A Rochester and a strong first half could keep his name on people's lips should the need for a starter arise.
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