Watch this dog FIND - a hunter in Scent Lok

[T.R. Michels]

It takes this dog about 5 minutes to cover what appears to be at least al hundred yards - but it finds this guy in a tree stand...

If the dog can smell him in Scent Lok, a deer can too ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXp3kv8fs_0 [/youtube]

[Mayfly]

I don't doubt that for one bit but the video does nothing and shows me nothing.

I could of done that with any dog.

Not convincing at all.

I remember about 5 years ago I went hunting and the land owner had a dog. I went to my stand and about 1hr later I saw the dog follwing my trail out in the woods and he came right to my tree and looked up at me. Man I was pissed.

[jd mn/nd]

Yah but what kind of footwear was he using? Also he did not appear to have any thing other than just cotton gloves on his hands, so if he was wearing say hiking boots or would occasionally touch brush with his hands it would not take very long for a trained dog to locate him. I used to know a guy that trained a lab to be able to scent humans, this dog was a trained blood hound. A trained blood hound can smell a human scent upto 30 days after it was left by the person, even when it was rained on. However my other question is did the handler steer the dog to the kid since the dog was never let off the leash I would question how much control the handler was implying on the dog. There are way too many variables in the so called test for us to know if it truely works or not. Just another thought is did the kid take a shower and use an unscented soap or did he not shower for three days before the experiment was conducted?

Just my thoughts out loud.

Later JD

[Mayfly]

Yah but what kind of footwear was he using? Also he did not appear to have any thing other than just cotton gloves on his hands, so if he was wearing say hiking boots or would occasionally touch brush with his hands it would not take very long for a trained dog to locate him. I used to know a guy that trained a lab to be able to scent humans, this dog was a trained blood hound. A trained blood hound can smell a human scent upto 30 days after it was left by the person, even when it was rained on. However my other question is did the handler steer the dog to the kid since the dog was never let off the leash I would question how much control the handler was implying on the dog. There are way too many variables in the so called test for us to know if it truely works or not. Just another thought is did the kid take a shower and use an unscented soap or did he not shower for three days before the experiment was conducted?

Just my thoughts out loud.

Later JD

Exactly. Way to many possibilities and questions for that video to mean anything.

[T.R. Michels]

How about this ... it was done to find out if the suits could be used while doing canid (coyote and fox) research in Colorado - so the researchers would not be smelled by the canids. 

Realize that I post nothing - without a lot of data to back it up. I will always bring you the truth (to the best of my knowledge).

Do activated carbon suits fool the nose? 3/1/07

Scent Lok has claimed that their suits remove enough human perspiration odors from a person wearing their suits that deer cannot smell a person wearing their suits. They have also claimed that deer smell better than dogs.

Research shows that deer have up to 297 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ (that detects scents/odors) in the room of their mouth. Dogs have up to 220 million olfactory receptors in the nose, plus a vomeronasal organ. Humans have up to 5 million olfactory receptors in the nose, but no vomeronasal organ.

If the number of olfactory receptors in the nose of an animal is any indication of its ability to detect scents, then deer have a better sense of smell than dogs, and could have detected the humans wearing activated carbon suits in the Shivik study.

In a test with search dogs, by JA Shivik, Ph.D., forty-two people were hidden from Colorado search and rescue dogs. Twenty-one of the people wore activated carbon suits; twenty-one did not. The dogs found all twenty-one people who didn't wear activated carbon suits, and twenty of the people who wore activated carbon suits. There was no noticeable difference in the time it took the dogs to find the humans. It took the dogs 2.7 minutes to detect the humans who were not wearing activated carbon suits, and 3.4 minutes to find the humans who were wearing activated carbon suits.

Shivik's report states, "That the dogs detected humans wearing the suit indicates that the system failed to prevent detection of human odors." Since deer have a sense of smell equal to if not better than dogs, it is safe to assume that deer would have detected the humans too.

The report adds, "The suits are probably not worth the cost to researchers or managers who want to approach canids undetected." They probably aren't worth $150 to $300 to hunters either, if they can't keep deer from detecting the hunters. You can view this article at this address http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ws/nwrc/is/annpub2002.html, by scrolling down to report number "02-93 Shivik" and downloading the PDF file.

[Mayfly]

I know the argument and I have my opinion on that as well.

I'm just saying that the video does nothing for me.

[Cody Gruchow]

then how can a deer stand at the base of my tree and not know im there?

[22lex]

I've seen alot of figures about scentlok suits to know that they more than likely are not 100% "scent-free". Obviously scientists have proven this fact that the average Joe cannot "activate" the carbon particles without use of a industrial dryer.

With that said I will divulge my personal questions on what I wear;

1. Would I ever wear a suit that would give me a false sense that I should sit in a stand with a     wind blowing directly into a field where deer would be present? NO.
2. Would I wear a suit that may contain my perspiration, mouth odor, and other odors not under my control say 50% of the time? Probably, but in the correct conditions.
3. Do I spray down each time I go into the woods, seal my hunting clothes, and use extra care on what scent I leave in the woods? Yes.
4. Have I talked to guys that swear by this type of fieldwear, and use it everytime out in the woods? Yes.

The way I interpret this whole debacle is that the "unnamed party" marketed it's product incorrectly, and probably could have avoided alot of headaches if they had approached a more ''containment" stance or maybe even "scent suppressant".

I am truthfully not intending to offend anyone, but the video reminds me of the political ads that are running right now. As stated before by another poster, there are too many variables for this to mean anything to me besides dogs have great noses.

Alex

[antlermass]

This is my opinion-

I do believe it works to a degree if it is used correctly- now remember this is my opinion-
The human body odor/scent HAS to come into DIRECT contact with the carbon, otherwise it can go through the carbon lined material, with passing right between the carbon fibers.  So as you can see in the video this man had on very lose carbon clothing which of course did not absorb his own body scent.

And, the carbon clothing has to be charged for 40 minutes in the dryer on extremely high heat, stored in a carbon lined air tight container, you are not suppose to touch the carbon clothing unless you drench yourself with odor eliminator spray..

My hubby and I did the exact same with the odor eliminating soaps, sprays la la la... except he put on carbon clothing and i wore my normal camo that had been hanging on the line for weeks and had been washed with odorless soap. We were both covered from head to toe with clothing.
There was NO wind.. He had a eight pointer 2 feet underneith him and does and fawns all over him- mean while I was having deer not quite "bust" me but were leary and lurky, wouldn't come in any closer than 50 yards. (which we have seen them eat right under my stand all fall until that night)

So yet, my opinion again I think it works if you use it correctly- I do not belive it works 100% but does work.

[thunderpout]

Im sure it all helps... but if you could somehow see the scent that was coming off a human wearing the carbon clothing, you would see the scent coming out of the pant legs, sleeves, out the top of your jacket, etc, each time ya step, the air/scent trapped inside is getting "pumped out" of those openings... of course, when still, in a stand the suites are going to work better...(then of course there's your breath... thats the BIG one!) its not like yer hermeticly sealed right?  But again, it all helps to some degree... A friend told me once, why not just get a human sized zip-lock baggy... it wont breath well, its kinda noisy and it'd be a bit tough to handle a bow or a gun from inside, but if ya want to be scent free, thats the only true way... go the giant baggy route!

[jd mn/nd]

I agree that the suit is not a complete scent eliminator, however I do believe that does help to suppress the scent of the human being wearing it.

If you watch any of the hunting shows on TV they do still spray down with the scent eliminator spray and they wear rubber boots and some but not all of them will wear latex or rubber gloves all the way to their stand as well as when they are "suiting up" they take an extreme amount of care to make sure the wind is also right for the stand they are hunting they do not leave much to chance when it comes to "their scent" they even spray down the stand that they are sitting in. If you want to shoot big bucks like they do you will have to go to the extream measure that they do to harvest a buck and it still is not a gaurantee, however it will greatly increase your odds.

Later JD

[guythathunts]

There is a ton of info on this on the web. From everyting I have read Sent Lock is a joke. I think the care you give to it is the best part about it. There are studies showing that you can never heat it up to the temp needed to "re charge" the carbon and if you did the suit would combust. Also there are military issued suits that have some 10 times more active carbon that are labled to have no affect after being exposed for 21 days to the air with no way of rechaging them. What I got out of the research that I did was that It would help a verry small ammount the first time or two you use them and then it is just camo. Again I am not making direct quotes, but I did a bunch of research on this about a year ago and this is what I left with. I have had this talk with others b4 and people with the sentLock always call my BS... wonder if it has to do with the $200 they waisted!!!!!!!! 

[thunderpout]

I think thats a big part of it.... even the camo thing is somewhat overated,  lots of people have taken game without camo long before it was invented or used, and still do.... blaze orange? but hey, its a sellers market out there.... Walk down the isles in a grocery store.... if some one makes it, theres some one out there that will buy it, its the american way....

[Cody Gruchow]

it does work....like everyone has said it does work to a certain extent. You can't buy it and expect to wear it to the field right out of the store. There is alot of work involved in the process. I use carbon wash to wash my scent-lok and dry it after i ran the dryer with baking powder in it to get rid of all the scent from in the dryer. Goes straight from the dryer to a scent lok bag and i use rubber gloves to take it out of the dryer. now another mistake people make is they dress in there scent-lok clothing in the house then get in the vechicle and drive to the hunting area. thats another no-no if your trying to stay scent free and expect the scent-lok to do its job. you should put your hunting clothing on when you get to the feild and away from the vechicle, also spray your hands down before you touch your scent-lok clothing. now i also dont understand why people buy the scent-lok then spray down with autumn formula or the apple scent or acorn or the pine scent cover. why pay all that money to pretty much ruin it by using a scented cover up scent? Isn't the whole point of buying scent-lok to minimize your scent, then why spray yourself with scent? now i am by no-means telling anyone how they should hunt or treat anything just stating what i do. and i do see results every single time i go out i always have a deer walk directly underneath me, maybe its just good stand placement, but i like to think of it as both.

[22lex]

I think thats a big part of it.... even the camo thing is somewhat overated,  lots of people have taken game without camo long before it was invented or used, and still do.... blaze orange? but hey, its a sellers market out there.... Walk down the isles in a grocery store.... if some one makes it, theres some one out there that will buy it, its the american way....

I think PT Barnum summed it up pretty good. 

[Mayfly]

Heck about a week ago I went into a fiedl to watch deer come out of a woodline trying to pin-point my best spot for a stand and as I was out in teh field I had two does walk about 20 feet from me. I was wearing the clothes I had on all day and was just standing behind a tree. At about 20 feet we had a stand off and then I had to leave so I moved and they took off. Guess I didn't need the scent-lock that day.

[Model12]

I think you're all expecting a little too much out of the clothing. All it will ever do, Scent-Lok, Scent Blocker or whoever makes it, is cut down your scent in the areas it is used. What I think you may want to focus on a little more, is how tolerant the deer are to the scent, noise and activity. Deer smell us all the time, from a mile away or 10 ft away. They have a comfort zone of how much scent they will tolerate depending on where they are. You can "get away" with diff't levels and I dont think anyone expects the clothing to be a hyperbolic chamber level of scent control. No question, an unsuited person is going to give off a ton of scent vs. a suited person. It may make a difference to the deer your hunting, may not have the least effect as far as "fooling" them.
I entirely understand everyone's point of view and their theories on whether it will work or not. I can drive myself nuts trying to debate it and pretend to figure it out. This is what i have learned through personal, practical experience. Scent Lok is something I use becuase it has provided an edge (worked well enough) to put me in a position to shoot deer I wouldn't have otherwise. I have had deer wind me while wearing Scent Lok and become alarmed. Some have absolutely blown out of the area while the bulk of them are looking for something but after some time passes, go back to feeding but are at ease enough to give me an opportunity to shoot. I would say in 90% of the time, I don't even have to worry about whether the stuff works because I work hard to keep the wind in my favor so it should be a non-issue. However, in those instances it was questionable wind, the stuff really helps me.
Another similar situation...a friend of mine in Ohio hunts deer on a farm that borders a state recreational park where there are hikers, bikers etc very near by. That's just the situation he deals with. He noticed that when he "sneaks" in/out of his stand and is rather stealthy, he said the deer that happen to be near spook like there are 12 wolves hunting them. However, he said when he walks in and talks outloud the deer that are nearby feeding pay attention to him but don't spook. I entirely undertand this because they're used to people being close by and it doens't get inside their comfort zone. However, a quiet, not so familiar object gets the alert level closer to red and puts them on edge. My point is i firmly beleive deer have tolerance levels that you have to figure out. In my situations, the clothing holds back enough scent and keeps them around/close enough to make shots. No doubt they smell something but it isn't in the "concentrations" or levels to make them feel the need to blow out of the area in a couple bounds. Scent Lok, nor any product will kill your deer for you. You have to use your gear to your advantage. If you can get a way w/o using it, good for you. That just means more money on something else in your gear bag.

[T.R. Michels]

I've  got this posted on my site:

Scent Lok claimed (in their former advertising) that their product had "anitmicrobial agents" in it.

Here is an excerpt from the current lawsuit.

 (begin quote)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA

Civ. No. 07-3970 (RHK/JJK)

ORDER REGARDING ANTHONY NEWMAN’S MOTION TO QUASH SUBPOENA

 

Mike Buetow, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;

Gary Steven Richardson, Jr., individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;

Joe Rohrbach, individually on behalf of himself and all other Minnesota residents and entities similarly situated;

Jeff Brosi, and

Dennis Deeb,

Plaintiffs,

v.

ALS Enterprises, Inc.,

Cabela’s, Inc.,

Gander Mountain Company,

Bass Pro Shops, Inc., and

Browning,

Defendants.

… This motion did reveal some information known to Newman, which appears to support Plaintiffs claims, and which would be a proper focus of discovery. The Declaration of Anthony Newman in Support of Motion to Quash Subpoena sets forth Newman’s allegation that Defendant ALS Enterprises, Inc. ("ALS"), admitted to Newman that its clothing did not have antimicrobial, or odor-eliminating properties. (See Newman Decl. ¶ 4.) …

(end quote)


I have it on good authority, that Scent Lok's lawyers admitted - that their product DID NOT CONTAIN ANITMICROBIAL AGENTS IN THEIR PRODUCT - to Anthony Newman.

And the Lawyer's admitted that Scent Lok's products DID NOT HAVE ODOR-ELIMINATING PROPERTIES - THEY ADMITTED IT - to Anthony Newman..... 

We have been deceived by Scent Lok again.

Even though Scent Lok admits it - some people still believe it.

Is it that they don't want to admit there were scammed, or is it that they need to think it makes them good hunters - when in fact - they are good hunters, without Scent Lok ...

May God bless you and yours,

T.R.

[Moving2thecountry]

A trained bloodhound can find the exact stadium seat a person sits in the day prior in a full stadium. 

I don't think deer can do that.

I don't think this video proves much, other than the cameraman is out of shape.

When I was young, we had to give up a springer/collie mix, to my uncle, when we moved.

We never brought the dog to the new house, but we came home one day and she was waiting on our new stairs, tail a wagging. 

Mind you, my uncle's house was closer to our old house than our new house, and both were about 1/2 mile away.  But somehow the dog went to our new house, not our old house.  My mother really cried, because we couldn't have dogs at the new house.