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Author Topic: Do fish feel pain??  (Read 1249 times)

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Offline Lee Borgersen

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Very cool post Lee!!! I have always thought the same thing. The mouth of most fish are made up of thin skin... And if you take a look at what they eat I doubt that fish feel a thing when they are caught by a hook.
Where did I catch all these fish you ask??? right in the lip....

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Yeah but do they enjoy the experience?
 If I went into Burger King and sat down to take a bite of my burger and suddenly I am being pulled through the tables and chairs and through the door under the surface of the nearby lake weighed and measured then photographed on a tape measure and then photograhed while being held by my lip at arms length before being returned to the surface  and finally being able to breathe I am not pleased.
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fyi..........

Do fish feel pain
One famous television show line went, “You wanna catch a fish? Think like a fish.” Since fish have very small brains and believe me I checked. I Talked to three fish researchers at the University of Minnesota, main campus and at UMD and they all pretty much agreed, a very large brain( fish/trout brains are shaped like a small rope with a knot in the middle) in 7 pound trout like we have here in the North  is smaller than one peanut or jelly bean. Every fish brain article I have checked goes on to say fish can’t think. So while that TV line is clever or cute, it misses the hook set by a wide margin.
Some fish (trout specifically) researchers found that small steelhead hatched in rearing ponds with the simple addition of stones and small rocks to there aquatic environment as yolk sac fry sized actually enlarged the cerebellum in the trout’s brain. It didn’t make a bigger brain but the motor skills or movement aspect of the brain increased. This did however make for a better survival rate in stocked fish. This research isn’t over yet either.
Do trout/fish feel pain?
Neurobiologists are split brain on this issue. Go figure. A leading consensus however says fish don’t feel pain. The University of Wyoming and a University in Liver pool England have some interesting tidbits to pass along. One is that if trout (rainbows in this study) do not have the apparatus in the trout brain for pain reception and fish don’t, they cannot feel pain. Pretty simple concept so says Wyoming and there research.

Jolly old England went so far as to sting trout with bee venom and the trout rubbed there chins on gravel river bottoms exhibiting what these English researchers called pain. Problem here was no nociceptors (big word) fired in the trout brain. They may have done the same thing with to much maple syrup injected. Reaction yes, but pain, they can’t distinguish. No fish thinking going on here, just reaction.

So why do fish (trout) react the way they do when we set the hook? Answer according to all I read in the simplest form is, Fish don’t want to go the way were pulling them. Fight or flight and there lack of brain intellect as researchers know or are aware, only allow for the most basic flight response. Remember, fish can’t talk or think. (Not at all close to what humans are capable of).

As humans we tend and sometimes try to get everything on earth humanized.  So how is a trout close to humans, in more ways than not, there not. There  fish. So the simple minded fish, is once again simply having reactions. So you wanna catch a fish, don’t think like a fish, just go fishing.
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