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Offline JohnWester

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wanted: Male yellow lab to have his way... with my sister's female yellow lab when she comes into heat next time... approx 7 months from now.
Her lab is a great dog, came from a great kennel.  She didn't pay the extra $$$ to get the papers because she has not intention of breading for profit. She wants her dog to have one litter before she gets her fixed next summer, and I want a puppy from her.  If you own a male yellow lab, and not the sandy yellow, I am looking for the whiter yellow lab, and he has to have papers, or comes from a kennel that you could have got papers from.  Would be willing to let you have a puppy from the litter, or possible $$$ compensation.  please let me know. I'd like to get something lined up now.
« Last Edit: October 10/02/08, 03:16:44 PM by JohnWester »
If a gun kills people then I can blame a pen for my misspells?

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Offline Pegg

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Sounds like one sick puppy. :whistling: I know some one would go there.
« Last Edit: October 10/02/08, 01:39:57 PM by Pegg »
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Offline CampYJewel

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Hello my name is Finn I am 12 weeks old, not sure what you are looking  :scratch: for but I am the right color and I do have papers..................

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Offline JohnWester

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will he be old enough my next march?  and does he swing that way? :whistling:

he'd be roughly 10months old... when do they drop on a lab?
« Last Edit: October 10/02/08, 03:07:49 PM by JohnWester »
If a gun kills people then I can blame a pen for my misspells?

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Offline lenny7

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Is your sister getting her lab's hips, elbows & eyes test prior to breeding?  You'd hate to go through the breeding process and find out later there's a genetic problem.








Offline JohnWester

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lenny, is that something they would know prior to her getting it from the kennel?  she got this dog from some kennel in Ill. not sure the name, but she paid a lot for it and the dog is supposedly guaranteed against some of these things.  are you knowledgeably about these things?  if so, I'd welcome a phone call... i'll pm you my number.
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Offline CampYJewel

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I would guess they would by then only becuase I have always had all my dogs fixed around the 6 month mark.  He goes in for shots tomorow so I will ask.  It's been many many years since I had a male dog!!!  I will keep you posted as to how he turns out this winter!!!

And yes Lenny is right.  No need to be passing on bad traits since the Labs are sooo over bred anyways.
« Last Edit: October 10/02/08, 03:59:41 PM by CampYJewel »

Offline lenny7

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I don't know a whole lot about it.  Just what I've researched in the 3 or so months since I got my lab.  I do know, though, that these hereditary problems are a big problem because of the over breeding and the backyard breeding.  Both the sire and dam should be tested and clear.

Info on Hips & Elbows can be found here:
http://www.offa.org/diseaseinfo.html

Eye info:
http://www.vmdb.org/cerf.html

And now I'm hearing a lot about EIC...Exercised Induced Collapse. 

Considering what you'll spend on a dog over its lifetime, and the fact that you can get a lab pup from a reputable breeder who has certified test results available on the parents, for anywhere from $350 on up, it doesn't make sense to take your chances with a untested breeding.

If you want a dog for hunting and it ends up having hip dysplasia or EIC, you're probably not going to be able to hunt with it, so what are you going to do?  Put it down?  You'll be too attached to it by then and if you have kids it's definitely out.  The option then is to get another dog and regret that you didn't take the steps necessary when you got the first pup.  Or you go without a hunting dog.

As I understand it...and again I am NOT an expert...some of these things like EIC are gene related and something like hip dysplasia are more of a percentage deal.  For instance, a dog can be a carrier of EIC and not have symptoms.  You need two EIC genes to suffer from it.  So two dogs without symptoms of EIC could each carry one gene and the litter might have pups that have two EIC genes.

On the other hand, with elbow and hip dysplasia (which can only be certified at 2 years old), normal parents can still result in dysplastic pups.  From the OFA site:

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Examination of the OFA database reveals the following mating probability results for 13,151 breeding pairs of dogs with known elbow status:

Normal Elbows x Normal Elbows = 12.2% offspring affected with ED

Normal Elbows x Dysplastic Elbows = 26.1% - 31.3% offspring affected with ED

Dysplastic Elbows x Dysplastic Elbows = 41.5% offspring affected with ED

In this very large breeding study (primarily Labrador Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, Rottweilers, and German Shepherd Dogs), the rate of ED more than doubled when one parent was affected, and more than tripled when both parents were affected. In any breed where the overall percentage of affected dogs is already lower than the percentage that can be expected when a dog affected with ED is bred to a normal dog (26.1% - 31.3%), one would find few circumstances in which progress can be made by breeding a dog affected with ED.

So better parents = less chance of dysplasia. 

If you buy a puppy that comes with a "guarantee", all that means is that you'll get your money back if it shows up, or perhaps get another pup from the breeder.  It doesn't mean you're dog is is the clear. 

It's tempting to breed a dog that you own or know well, but I think it's in your best interest to at least make sure both parents are tested.  I can't say I haven't thought about it myself already.  My dog's sire just passed the Master National Hunt Test in Hibbing last weekend (second national for him I think) and his sire's sire is a National Field Trial Champion.  Maybe someday I'd breed him if he proves himself, and I haven't neutered him by then.

Anyone can feel free to correct anything I've stated, as I'm not an expert. 

We can certainly talk if you want, but that's about all I know. 
« Last Edit: October 10/02/08, 04:43:30 PM by lenny7 »

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I might as well post a couple of pictures of Kody:



Offline JohnWester

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ok, so before my thread gets turned into a bashing about home breeding...  and I am not saying anyone here has... just being proactive.

the female dog has papers, comes from a reputably kennel, and has been tested. Why my sister paid so much for essentially a family pet/ non hunting dog is her own business. The dog comes from a good champion line. I would like to have a puppy from it. There are no intentions to to breed this dog for profit, get into the breeding business, nor is there any intention (at least for the puppy I get) to continue breading it in the future.
The male dog I am looking for to breed must be of good lines and should have been tested. Anyone who has a dog from a reputable kennel would know this. I just thought there might be someone out there that has a male, that fits the bill, that may want to have a puppy out of this too... especially if it is getting up in years. Another option is to pay for stud fees. I haven't explored the stud fee option yet, but I do know I don't have a grand or 7, 8 hundred dollars to get a quality yellow pup.

I am not getting in the business of breeding backyard, inbreed dork dogs...  I just want a pup from her dog.

If a gun kills people then I can blame a pen for my misspells?

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Offline JohnWester

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btw lenny, nice looking pup.

yours too jewel... thats more along the lines of the color I am looking for.
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Offline lenny7

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ok, so before my thread gets turned into a bashing about home breeding...  and I am not saying anyone here has... just being proactive.
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The dog comes from a good champion line. I would like to have a puppy from it. There are no intentions to to breed this dog for profit, get into the breeding business, nor is there any intention (at least for the puppy I get) to continue breading it in the future
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I am not getting in the business of breeding backyard, inbreed dork dogs...  I just want a pup from her dog.

That's pretty close to the situation I'm in.  My cousin has a great hunting lab and he wanted to get a couple of pups out of her for himself and his son.  You could say he was a backyard breeder but he did his research and testing and ended up hiring a stud dog with a great line.  He got 9 pups out of it, one of which died.  His goal was to get the pups he wanted and then sell the rest for just enough to get back the money he had into it.  When I heard the pups were available, I jumped at the chance, having hunted with the bitch several times and knowing my cousins interest in a quality breeding.  So far I have not been disappointed.    I don't plan on breeding him, but I may want one of his pups when he gets to the end of his breeding years.  I'll keep him intact as long as I can.

I hope I didn't seem judgmental, I just think the health testing is pretty important.

I pick him up from the trainer tomorrow.  I sent him away for live bird & gun training.  I'm looking forward to hunting over him this year!

Offline CampYJewel

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John I understand where you are coming from.  It's nice when you already know the dog and how they act.  And Lenny your dog looks really nice!!! 

Finn went to the vet today and got his Rabies Shots so if he bites we are safe   :scratch:  Also they did inform me both his nuts had dropped so I had to ask but he would not be able to breen until 9 months.  But by then he will probably be fixed.  I don't know if I want to deal with the male traits!!!  If I change my mind and he turns out to be a good hunter/and family dog I will let you know.  If I did go that route I am sure I would have him checked before. 

Here is another pic that is better.  He looks like a wild animal in the other one.  He is the one in the center!!!

Good Luck!!!


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Offline lenny7

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CamyYJewel,

Those are all awesome lookin' dogs.  That's the coat color I would have picked, everything else being equal.  As it was, of the three left when I picked, the one with the best character traits was the reddest of the three. Now his coat has kind of got a salt & pepper look between the red & the cream. 

I gotta brag a little...Kody's sire, PD Drake of Ms Jenna, just passed the Master National Hunt Test that went on a week or so ago.  PD Drake's sire is Dewey's Drake, who has NFC FC and AFC to his credit.

I picked Kody up from the trainer Friday.  He was in for a 2 week bird & gun intro.  They did a great job.  After demonstrating to me what they accomplished, they finally brought him over to me and as he was going nuts jumping around and licking me, the trainer took 10 steps back and fired the shotgun.  That dog dropped me like a cheap date and was at the trainer's side instantly, looking for birds to retrieve.  That desire was awesome to see!  Now I need to see if I can convince my wife to let me drop the $$$ for the next 10 week session.

Offline CampYJewel

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Thats awsome!!!  You will have to keep up posted on his progress!!!!!! 

Right now we are working on his huge amount of energy!!!!!  And keeping my chickens safe. 

Offline lenny7

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Thats awsome!!!  You will have to keep up posted on his progress!!!!!! 


I took him to Pheasant View Hunt Farm yesterday, put him on a check cord, planted some hens, one by one, flagged them and then using the cord, got him to quarter his way there, yelling "Hunt 'em up" every time I wanted him to change direction.  I just worked the dog, my buddy worked the shotgun.

Long story short, he retrieved every bird we knocked down and did so with great vigor.  The ones still alive caused him to pause, but not for long.  One he had to find in some thick grass be he had it before we got over there.  Surprisingly, he brought each one right back to me.  I say surprising because in working with frozen pigeons, he'd rather chew on them then bring 'em back to me.

His first bird:


Offline DW17

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Wow....what a great looking bunch of Labs! 
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