I just put Scent Lok on Notice !!!

[T.R. Michels]

This just went up on my website.

3/27/2009
I just heard that, on www.Justia.com, one of the people who filed a law suit against Scent Lok, stated in their deposition, that they filed suit because they had been to this (my Scent Lok / Activated Carbon Science, www.TRMichels.com/ActivatedCarbonScience.html) web page, and realized that they'd been ripped of - by Scent Lok. To find lawsuits against Scent Lok - type in the letters ALS.

Anyone with a lick of sense, who actually reads what is on this page- and on page 2 - knows that activated carbon cannot work the way the manufacturers of hunting clothing say it can.
 
Scent Lok Corporate Head's Deposition - Sealed
At the same time I heard that ALS's corporate heads have also been deposed, but that their testimony has been sealed. What's with that … I thought we had a little legal precedent here in the USA called the "Freedom of Information Act". Why is it that the depositions of those suing Scent Lok are made public, but Scent Lok's lawyers have the depositions of the Scent Lok corporate heads sealed? Is that fair - to the hunting public?   

Hey Scent Lok
Here is my offer to you. You have your deposition unsealed, and e-mailed to me, and I'll post it right here on my site at www.TRMichels.com/ActivatedCarbonScience.html - so the hunting public (those people who have paid for your products - and who pay your salary) - can get both sides of the story - and the truth.

Anyone want to bet on whether they take me up on this offer of not?

(3/27/2009 1:30 PM - I just sent this in an e-mail to Scent Lok [at info@scentlok.com] , and to about 30 of the largest hunting magazine editors out there. So, neither Scent Lok nor those publications can say they know nothing about this.)

God bless,

T.R.

[guythathunts]

Anyone that says sent lock works is trying to justify a $200-$300 mistake. I would rather not respond to anyone that dissagrees purely because the science proves me right. Scent lock is a marketing gimmic.

[Cody Gruchow]

i use scent lok and i beleive it works to a certain extent..i dont understand why people waste there time sueing because there dumb enough to fall for it

[Mayfly]

Scent Blocker is the way to go.

[JohnWester]

scent lok is awesome... did you see where the dog couldn't find the person in the box 6 out of 10 times???

[beeker]

Sounds like more frivolous lawsuits.. Just what the court system needs.

[T.R. Michels]

So - people don't have a right to sue - when they have been lied to - by false advertising?

Scent Lok claims it can reduce 100% of your odors 100% of the time. That is unquestionably a lie - but people believed it - until I posted the truth on my website.

This has been probably the biggest scam ever foisted on the hunting public. And I for one, hate to see you guys spend your hard-earned dollars - on products thast do not work. So - I'm fighting for you guys - because no one else will ...

God bless,

T.R.

[beeker]

your still in America.. you have the right to sue just about anyone for anything. and false advertising is all over the place.. buyer beware

[Mayfly]

Scent Lok claims it can reduce 100% of your odors 100% of the time. That is unquestionably a lie - but people believed it - until I posted the truth on my website.

I don't own any scent lok clothing and for the price probably won't anytime soon. I looked around at some in the store today and also on their website and I couldn't find the claim or the quote that you have above??

[JCAMERON]

I would doubt they actually made that claim without a disclaimer. To say or believe that would be ridiculous.


Correction - I just found that claim on the above link. Like I said.... Ridiculous.

[Joe]

Considering wind direction when placing a stand is far more important than what you wear. I'm glad I never spent the money. 

[Cody Gruchow]

everything is false advertised so why target this company? now adays everyone is sue happy its idiotic(sp) i own scent lok and do i beleive it works to fullest, no i dont. but it does work. i have numerous times had deer right at the base of my tree and walked completly around a full 360 degrees so no matter the wind they going to smell me, yet they did not spook. yes it is expensive, so thats why im asking is that why this company is being targeted, because there hunting clothing is more expensive than others. why not go after wildlife research? they claim there spray is 99.9% effective yet no one is sueing them

if ya beleived that it worked like i guess advertised,(i have yet to see a commercial say 100% order eliminated) then its your own fault

[Hard617]

everything is false advertised so why target this company? now adays everyone is sue happy its idiotic(sp) i own scent lok and do i beleive it works to fullest, no i dont. but it does work. i have numerous times had deer right at the base of my tree and walked completly around a full 360 degrees so no matter the wind they going to smell me, yet they did not spook. yes it is expensive, so thats why im asking is that why this company is being targeted, because there hunting clothing is more expensive than others. why not go after wildlife research? they claim there spray is 99.9% effective yet no one is sueing them

if ya beleived that it worked like i guess advertised,(i have yet to see a commercial say 100% order eliminated) then its your own fault

I guess you dont get it. If you did the research, the 99.9% rating was done by a university, and found to be 99.9% effective. They aren't using false claims, Scent-lok is. Scent-lok, also gave the rights to use the carbon filter in clothes to scent blocker. Which makes them no different than Scent-loc. The hunting public was lied to and most bought it, thus the reason for the suit. Your dryer doesnt have the capability to get hot enough to reactivate the carbon, and if it did, your clothes would have disintigrated. If Chevy, or anyone else for that matter, said your new car, albeit 2x more expensive than the competition, will start everytime you use it forever, and after the 25th time starting failed to start, and would no longer start, would you not be angry? The neighbor, and all your friends bought into it and theirs also wouldnt start, you wouldnt be angry? They (chevy) would be taking the money and running knowing they lied to you, yet, you wouldnt do anything? I dont have either so I dont have a hand in this game. I believe it is justifyed to do something about this, even if only the label is changed to say works best for X amount of times wearing, or fades with use.

[HUNTER2]

Ok Cody,  I'm with you on this one. I have it also and have had the deer looking right at me at the base of the tree and walk 360 also. I have even went out right after work still sweaty and had them right by me. If they are found guilty, I'm guessing you would still have to have your sales slip to get any thing back from them. Does it work 100%? No. But I think it works pretty dang good.

[Cody Gruchow]

i dont want anything back from them. i love my scent-lok couldnt be happyer with it. i say it works a heck of a lot better than any other camo i own. also i was on the site were on there says that it elimanates the odor 100%? also i think some people should read the FAQS on the site.

[beeker]

I think what it comes down to is some people thought they were buying a superheros costume that would make them impervious to the forces of nature, keep them safe from harm, and allow them to take monster bucks with their thoughts. as a disclaimer they could have listed "superhero theme music sold seperatly, sidekick not included"...

[Hard617]

i dont want anything back from them. i love my scent-lok couldnt be happyer with it. i say it works a heck of a lot better than any other camo i own. also i was on the site were on there says that it elimanates the odor 100%? also i think some people should read the FAQS on the site.

It says right on their tag, 100% scent elimination 100% of the time.

[thunderpout]

Ive got a question.... is it only that it cant be re-activated where it fails... does it work otherwise?  The negative I hear from everyone is that its impossible to re-activate it in the dryer....  I understand that part... Ive heard nothing about it not working as advertised over all.... carbon does work by absorbing odors, dirt and other impurities... I dont own any Scent-Lock clothing, so Im not sticking up for it, but Im just wondering if it could work, but it just cant be re-activated as they say.

[Hard617]

Ive got a question.... is it only that it cant be re-activated where it fails... does it work otherwise?  The negative I hear from everyone is that its impossible to re-activate it in the dryer....  I understand that part... Ive heard nothing about it not working as advertised over all.... carbon does work by absorbing odors, dirt and other impurities... I dont own any Scent-Lock clothing, so Im not sticking up for it, but Im just wondering if it could work, but it just cant be re-activated as they say.

It does indeed work when you first get it. It starts to fail the more you use it. Have you tried the sniff test? I think scent blocker has it on their tag. Seems to work awesome, but wont work over time. If you find good deals on it, theres no reason not to buy. Its paying double for something that only works for a while and the company telling you it will work all the time. The way I see it, is I would/will buy for the comfort and weather proof ability. But, will only pay inline with other camo clothing. I like gamehide, it is very comfortable, lets me draw easily and hides me in a tree. I just use scent sprays. The freedom sleeve is the best part.

[Hard617]

Also very comfortable and quiet.

[guythathunts]

My $4.99 Wal-Mart Long sleve T is comfortable, quiet, hides me in a tree, alows me to pull my bow and absorbs sent spray.

[GRIZ]

This is a double edged sword. The way I see it anyway.

Yes for false advertising any company should be held accountable, if they are falsely advertising.

On the other hand should someone be able to sue because they were dumb enough to believe advertisements? NO

To make a claim of 100% and 100% of the time is a pretty bold claim. If it works like that the first use I would be surprised. Haveing not read any of the links I don't know how long they make this claim good for. If it isn't mentioned I'm assuming the claim is good for 1 use. The reason I say that is, 100% of the time doesn't mean til the yr 2500.

Posted by thunderpout
"Ive got a question.... is it only that it cant be re-activated where it fails... does it work otherwise?  The negative I hear from everyone is that its impossible to re-activate it in the dryer....  I understand that part... Ive heard nothing about it not working as advertised over all.... carbon does work by absorbing odors, dirt and other impurities... I dont own any Scent-Lock clothing, so Im not sticking up for it, but Im just wondering if it could work, but it just cant be re-activated as they say. "

That's kinda what I was wondering

In thier claims do they tell you it must be reactivated? If so do they tell you how? If they make no mention of either of these in thier claim all I can see is a couple lawyers gettin more money.

[Cody Gruchow]

Q: “I’ve heard it takes over 900° to reactivate a Scent-Lok suit, is that true?”
A: No. Adsorption occurs in two distinctly different ways; chemisorption and physical adsorption. In Scent-Lok garments the human odor enters the activated carbon pores and typically forms a physical bond. This bond is called van der Waals interaction and the bonds break in a household dryer allowing for another round of adsorption.
High temperatures and energy are required to break chemically bonded molecules. Chemical adsorption occurs when two molecules create a very strong covalent bond (the type of bond that creates water from hydrogen and oxygen) and needs extreme energy and heat to separate (900° and beyond) if it is even possible.



thats from there FAQ on scentlok.com does that answer your question.

[thunderpout]

So it doesnt need to be re-activated, just cleaned?   My eyes glaze over and I get dizzy when I hear Lawyer and Scientist speak...

[Cody Gruchow]

from my understanding it is saying that a normal dryer can reactivate the carbon as long as it isnt a chemically bonded material. which takes a higher source of heat to get rid of.

[stevejedlenski]

lets face it, everyone that bought the scent-loc camo either knew that it isnt a sure thing and they were buying a very high priced item because of the name and the "ability" to help your hunting success. the others had tons of money and not the knowledege but same goes when buying anything. IF YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT YOUR BUYING IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND OUT THE SPECIFICS AND YOUR CHOICE TO BUY IT!! i would say if someone forced them to buy it then they are entitled to compensation but they didnt and so they are out the money.

if i sold you a piece of dog crap as cover scent and said it will cover your scent 100% of the time i would not be lieing but you still bought a piece of crap!!!

[thunderpout]

A friend of mine is a chemist.... probably the smartest, common sense guy I know... Ran this by him and he heard about the lawsuit hubub... heres his take on it:  Activated carbon is a superheated material that is very porous, so it works very well at filtering and absorbing impurities... he said there isnt a way to re-activate it unless you could remove the carbon from clothing to reactivate it with a very high temperature... BUT... He also said it probably would work well for quite a long time without having to reactivate the clothing as long as you didnt get it really stinky and sweaty and saturated the material to the point where it could absorb no more... SO.. if you wear your underarmour/wicking polypropeline type layer so it doesnt get too soiled on the interior, & just washing it regularly, and of course only using scent free detergents, It probably works pretty well... Ya gotta remember though, your head (& breath) and feet arent being covered and there are openings in the clothes where your head, hands and feet stick out.... so you can never really be totally scent free... but it all helps to a certain degree.  SO... Is it false advertising if it does control your scent, but cant be reactivated?  Its all in how you look at it really.... After it goes thru the courts & the Lawyers and judges hands, what will probably happen is Scent-loc will probably have to retract the reactivating claim, then they will be able to advertise that it does control scent, because thats what activated carbon does.

[LLtaxidermy]

I shouldn't say this too loud but just because a dog can't find you every time doesn't mean it's the clothing. When I was about 15 a german shepard with the Lake City police department walked right past me without even slowing down. I was in a bush!!!! It was only a curfew deal Lake City cops get pretty bored. Didn't blow anything up or anything too exciting! I've used scent lok and scent blocker and if you take proper care of any hunting clothes I've found out your results will be the same.

[renegade]

LOL. I can't believe so many hunters are defeneding Scent-lok. It was a scam. Activated carbon would pick up any kind of scent the moment it left the factory and all the way along. If it is on shelves or display at stores it has been picking up scent the whole time. The activated carbon, even if it was fresh and you wore it wouldn't pick off much of your scent anyway. Your breath is your worst violator. The best thing you can do is hunt with the wind, user cover scents and keep foriegn odors to mimimum.

[Mayfly]

It was a scam?? You talk about it like its something that has happened and gone.