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....... :reporter; Latest New Update :banghead: .........



Coast Guard to step up enforcement on many area lakes
>
> By Marshall Helmberger
>
> The U.S. Coast Guard will begin enforcing longstanding federal
> regulations on area lakes, beginning next spring.
>
> Coast Guard officials in Duluth say theyre planning a major
> enforcement effort on federally-navigable waters throughout the
> border country, and the fallout to local outfitters, fishing guides
> and others who carry passengers for hire could be significant.
>
> Word of the Coast Guards push was made official this week during a
> lightly-attended meeting in Tower. Mike Lebsack, commander of the
> Coast Guards Marine Safety Unit in Duluth told a small group of area
> fishing guides that they will be subject to federal licensing and
> other requirements if they operate on federally-navigable waters.
> That designation includes all of the big border lakes, such as
> Basswood, Crane, La Croix, and Namakan, as well as Lake Vermilion and
> Moose Lake, near Ely.
>
> According to Lebsack, the enforcement push is part of an effort to
> ensure the safety of visitors to the area. I think we all want the
> same things for our visitors, said Lebsack. We want them to have a
> safe and memorable trip to northern Minnesota.
>
> The planned Coast Guard initiative isnt the result of any new laws.
> Most of these regulations have been on the books since 1968, said
> Lebsack, who noted it was a lack of resources that prevented
> effective enforcement in the past. But in the wake of some prominent
> fatal accidents in other parts of the country in recent years,
> Congress appropriated more funding for enforcement, said Lebsack.
> This is happening all across the country. Its got high level support
> within the Coast Guard and its not going away, he added.
>
> While few would dispute the stated goal of the Coast Guards efforts,
> there is already plenty of criticism of their approach. Id say fifty
> percent of the guides on Vermilion are totally against it, said Cliff
> Wagenbach, of Cliffs Guide Service, who works mostly on Lake
> Vermilion. I think some others are for it, because they think it will
> eliminate some of the competition.
>
> Some guides are already worried they could be among those operators
> forced out of business. Terry Sjoberg, who operates Ace Guide
> Service, and gets around with the assistance of a cane, worries
> whether he could pass the required physical or whether hes mobile
> enough for the mandatory CPR training.
>
> Those requirements are just two on a laundry list of steps that
> operators will need to take to obtain a federal license and
> identification card. All boat operators will now have to pass a
> training course, a background check, and a drug screening. They also
> must be enrolled in a random drug and alcohol testing program.
>
> Completing the list wont come cheaply. A Coast Guard document
> indicates the required training course will cost $750, while the
> obtaining a federally-issued identification card runs $132.50. In
> addition, operators will also need to pay for drug testing,
> physicals, and CPR and first aid training. All together, its likely
> to run $1,200 to $1,300 said Sjoberg, The license is good for five
> years, which reduces the annual cost, but Sjoberg says its enough
> expense and hassle that some of the part-time guides may just give it
> up.
>
> Wagenbach agrees. It will eliminate a lot of guides, or make crooks
> out them, he said.
>
> Towboats a special challenge
>
> If fishing guides are concerned, the outlook for towboat operators
> could be even more problematic, since most rely heavily on high
> school and college students to operate their boats during the
> three-month summer season. Blayne Hall, of Williams and Hall
> Outfitters on Moose Lake, said the impact of requiring each of those
> students to obtain federal licensure and be enrolled in drug testing
> programs would be enormous. If this does happen, it would be the most
> ridiculous affront to the people of the area, he said. I can not
> imagine these guys really wanting to fight this battle.
>
> Hall questions whether the Coast Guard understands how burdensome the
> new regulations could be. They want a college kid who runs a boat up
> and down the lake with canoes to have the same licensure as someone
> captaining a fishing trawler in the Gulf of Mexico. It would sure be
> a huge economic impact to the area. Hall notes that the Coast Guard
> has made similar enforcement pushes in the past, only to suspend
> their plans in the face of a host of political and logistic pitfalls.
>
> Ely Mayor Roger Skraba said he doesnt think thats the case this time.
> The Coast Guard is not going to back down, he said. I want my
> constitutents to understand that this is for real. Skraba said hes
> asked the Coast Guard to hold a second informational meeting in the
> next few weeks, in Ely, to get the word out to more affected business
> owners.
>
> Skraba said operators will either have to adapt to the new
> regulations or fight for changes. Maybe now we need to get Sen.
> Klobuchar and Franken and Congressman Oberstar in a room and get some
> changes made. We want the public to know its going to be safe, but
> its unrealistic to impose standards designed for ocean travel, he
> said.
>
> Lebsack said the Coast Guard isnt trying to put people out of
> business, and he said he plans to work with operators to help them
> comply with the laws. There is some room in the rules for relief for
> some special situations, said Lebsack. I understand its difficult,
> theres just no way around it, he said.
>
> Both Lebsack and Skraba said they will work towards establishing the
> required training courses at Vermilion Community College to make it
> more accessible to operators in the Ely and Tower area.
>
> Penalties could be severe
>
> While the expense and hassle of compliance could prompt some guides
> or other boat operators to try to skirt the rules, that could prove
> very costly, according to Lebsack. If an operator is found operating
> without a license, or outside the scope of their license, the fine
> could be as much $27,500. Thats the maximum, Lebsack said. Failure to
> be enrolled in a required drug testing program is subject to fines up
> to $5,500.
>
> If such fines are sufficient, the Coast Guard has investigative
> powers that could thwart any efforts to get around the rules. For
> example, the Coast Guard can obtain an individuals tax records to see
> if they reported income from guiding. Its such powers that concern
> guides like Sjoberg, who worries he could be investigated if he cant
> pass a physical to get licensed. Will they be looking through my tax
> returns, or harassing me on the lake, to see if Im still guiding? he
> asked.
>
> Wagenbach agreed. "It's going to be a real pain."
« Last Edit: November 11/19/09, 05:17:37 PM by Lee Borgersen »
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Tuesday Coast Guard  :police: meeting postponed
The US Coast Guard Marine Safety Unit (MSU) in Duluth had scheduled a meeting at 7 p.m. on Tuesday, November 24 at Fortune Bay Resort.

This meeting has been cancelled and will be rescheduled to a date in early December. If there are any questions you may reach the MSU at 218-720-5286.
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Lee,
I'm not so sure that the Friends of the Boundary Waters (and other like minded groups) aren't lurking behind the scenes and urging the enforcement, since their aim has always been to eliminate all motorized traffic, the tow boats being the main target.
The end justifies the means, and they have used many federal regs in the past to achieve their goals (endangered species act, the word wilderness meaning no motor, etc)
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Lee,
I'm not so sure that the Friends of the Boundary Waters (and other like minded groups) aren't lurking behind the scenes and urging the enforcement, since their aim has always been to eliminate all motorized traffic, the tow boats being the main target.
The end justifies the means, and they have used many federal regs in the past to achieve their goals (endangered species act, the word wilderness meaning no motor, etc)


There's no doubt in my mind about that. It's the first thing I figured on as they are always working on every angle to shut down motorized access in the BWCA. If they had their way there would be no public access at all. Their even having a negative impact on their own supporters in the long run.
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St. Paul Pioneer Press (MN)
December 16, 2009
Section: Local
Edition: St. Paul
Page: B4


Outfitters worry rules will ruin business

U.S. requiring strict 'Six Pack' license
Chris Niskanen cniskanen@pioneerpress.com

As a canoe outfitter at the edge of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, Blayne Hall has seen his business ravaged by windstorms and challenged by wilderness lawsuits and regulations.
His latest nemesis: the long arm of the U.S. Coast Guard.

Hundreds of Minnesota fishing guides, outfitters and tour operators are facing expensive safety regulations enforced by the U.S. Coast Guard that include, among other things, random drug testing.

The Coast Guard has notified Minnesota commercial outfitters and guides that unless they have a federal "Six Pack" license, they no longer can operate their small boats on federally navigable waters, such as the Mississippi River, the St. Croix River or many lakes in northern Minnesota.

It includes some waters in the BWCAW, where small operators such as Hall use motorboats to shuttle canoeists and where local guides show anglers where to catch fish.

The Six Pack license requires commercial boat operators to pass a lengthy test on navigation and boat safety; have CPR certification; pass a physical and health examination; prove they have three to 12 months of on-water boating experience; submit three personal references; and pass a drug test. They also must be 18 years or older.

Boat operators and guides also are required to have a Transportation Worker Identification Credential, or TWIC, which requires a background check called a federal "security threat assessment" to ensure operators aren't a threat to secure harbors.

To Hall, the requirements sound not just absurd, but like a serious blow to his business.

"The Ely community is absolutely petrified by this," said Hall, owner of Hall and Williams Outfitters on Moose Lake and president of the Ely Area Tourism Board.

"I have high school kids who drive towboats up and down the lake all summer. Are they going to make them pee in a bottle?"

The licenses and drug and physical testing cost about $600, but most applicants have to take a special course costing $700 to $1,000 to prepare for the Six Pack test.

Dick "Griz" Grzywinski, of St. Paul, a well-known fishing guide, was ordered off local rivers last summer by the U.S. Coast Guard and told to get a Six Pack license.

He signed up for the class this fall and studied a 350-page textbook but failed the test in November.

"I can't pass it. My living is shot," Grzywinski said Tuesday. "The test asks you questions like, 'How many green lights are there on a mine sweeper?' I guess there are three."

A U.S. Coast Guard spokesman said the Six Pack license requirement, which applies to commercial boat operators with six or fewer passengers, has been on the books for 40 years but hasn't been widely enforced until now.

The TWIC requirement became law last spring.

U.S. Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., is chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, which oversees the Coast Guard.

Oberstar spokesman John Schadl said the congressman's staff has met with Coast Guard officials to devise a new, less stringent licensing requirement for small-boat operators.

Schadl said the new license should be inexpensive and not require guides and boat operators to travel a long distance to get it.

"I believe the current proposal is being reviewed in the D.C. (Coast Guard) headquarters," Schadl said. "They (the Coast Guard) have the ability to make these rules practical and workable.

"We're hoping something will be out soon. Certainly, we want this resolved by spring for the fishing season," he said.

Coast Guard officials say the licensing requirement is to protect the public.

"The Coast Guard's primary goal is to ensure the safety and security of people using U.S. navigable waters," Lt. Dave French said in an e-mail. He is a spokesman for the Coast Guard's 9th district, based in Cleveland, which oversees northern Minnesota.

French acknowledged that the Coast Guard is looking at less onerous licensing options for fishing guides and boat operators. "We intend to work as quickly as possible on this," he said.

The rules are being enforced on the Mississippi, St. Croix and Minnesota rivers, as well as the lakes connected to the Mississippi, such as Winnibigoshish. Other waters that are considered federally navigable include Lake of the Woods, Upper Red Lake, Lake Vermilion, Gull Lake, the Whitefish Chain and Lake Mille Lacs.

Tom Neustrom, a fishing guide based in Grand Rapids, said he fears the Coast Guard will crack down on fishing guides this spring, giving little time for anyone to get a license.

"We'd be out of business," he said, adding that in 32 years, he has never heard of an accident involving a fishing guide in northern Minnesota.

Hall held an emergency meeting of the Ely Outfitters Association on Tuesday to talk about the requirements. About 25 business owners, guides and outfitters showed up. Hall said he and others left the meeting worried that the Coast Guard's solution still might force some operators out of business. He said outfitters have been in contact with Oberstar's office.

"They make (the new proposal) sound like a lollipop, but the devil's in the detail," Hall said. He added that outfitters and their craft are either regulated or inspected by the U.S. Forest Service, Homeland Security, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources and the county sheriff's office.

"Now we're going to have the U.S. Coast Guard and guys with machine guns on our lakes?" Hall said. "This just sends shudders through our community." 
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It sounds like good news to me. It says they are exploring alternatives to make this easier for small boat operators to get licensed.


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Oberstar spokesman John Schadl said the congressman's staff has met with Coast Guard officials to devise a new, less stringent licensing requirement for small-boat operators.

Schadl said the new license should be inexpensive and not require guides and boat operators to travel a long distance to get it.

"I believe the current proposal is being reviewed in the D.C. (Coast Guard) headquarters," Schadl said. "They (the Coast Guard) have the ability to make these rules practical and workable.

"We're hoping something will be out soon. Certainly, we want this resolved by spring for the fishing season," he said.

Coast Guard officials say the licensing requirement is to protect the public.

"The Coast Guard's primary goal is to ensure the safety and security of people using U.S. navigable waters," Lt. Dave French said in an e-mail. He is a spokesman for the Coast Guard's 9th district, based in Cleveland, which oversees northern Minnesota.

French acknowledged that the Coast Guard is looking at less onerous licensing options for
fishing guides and boat operators. "We intend to work as quickly as possible on this," he said.



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"It sounds like good news to me. It says they are exploring alternatives to make this easier for small boat operators to get licensed."



Good news would be if they decided to leave things back the way things were. Folks with small businesses have enough problems to deal with without the federal government dictating new special restrictions/regulations that will have a negative impact on their businesses. I don't see where the good news falls in play.
 
Interference from the Feds with new restrictions in any way shape or form is unwelcomed to those outfitters and guides. There won't be any pluses for them with this intervention of the Coast Guard. Yes, at least it sounds like some easing of requirements may be negotiated. We will just have to wait and see how major they will be.

"They make (the new proposal) sound like a lollipop, but the devil's in the detail," Hall said. He added that outfitters and their craft are either regulated or inspected by the U.S. Forest Service, Homeland Security, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources and the county sheriff's office.

"Now we're going to have the U.S. Coast Guard and guys with machine guns on our lakes?" Hall said. "This just sends shudders through our community."

 
 





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Well it actually is good news. Whether you like it or not this is something that is going to be enforced. (that is the bad news and its also old news) SO once we can get over that we can then see that they are trying to work with people to minimize the cost and time it will take those who need the license. That is the good news  :happy1:

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:reporter; This is an MNO Breaking News Alert!


As of Jan 16th this is the latest update in the on going saga of the new Coast Guard enforsed requirements for guides and resort/outfitters on specific water ways in Minnesota.

 :coffee: http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/81615202.html?page=1&c=y
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Gotta love big government. It's getting to a point where you won't be able to do anything with out having to pay the gov. for the privilege. If you guys think this about making it safe for guides to operate in federally regulated waters think again. This obviously another money grab by the feds. They are looking at a new source of gov. income and drooling over all the new money they can get in fees for permits and licensing requirements.
Obama wants your guns, AAARRRRGGGG!!!!!!!

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Gotta love big government. It's getting to a point where you won't be able to do anything with out having to pay the gov. for the privilege. If you guys think this about making it safe for guides to operate in federally regulated waters think again. This obviously another money grab by the feds. They are looking at a new source of gov. income and drooling over all the new money they can get in fees for permits and licensing requirements.

Bingo!


Hmmmm.... "look at all the money we are missing here"