Are the nets out yet??

[Mayfly]

With the early ice out the natives should really get a good crack at a huge harvest this year! Anyone seen any activity yet???

[bluewavexx]

Yes i set mine tonight the population is looking healthy lots of second and third year class out there dont sweat it there are quotas that rarely ever get reached. Make friends with a native they usually share.

[MNBucKKiller]

I will never make friends with a native who nets fish

[bluewavexx]

Im sorry that you feel that way, after all its a perfectly good reason to act ignorant. Maybe if you knew more about the lake instead of relying on your jealous predispositions you wouldnt make rude sideways comments.

[22lex]

Make sure to update us bluewavexx with how you do.

All I have ever heard and read about is the complaining that is connected to netting, it would be a fresh relief to hear a different side of the story.

[bluewavexx]

Its not about sport its about feeding alot of people who cant gather for themselves, it was a right guaranteed by the federal government for protecting settlers from other tribes in exchange the band got to stay here instead of being sent to the middle of no where in western Minnesota (White Earth) one of the few instances Indians were done right by the government .  If you really look at the numbers the state quota and tribal quotas barely put a dent in the population its regulated very well the population is stable and growing ,the lake is getting healthier from better regulation and study. I will guarantee there will be walleyes in Mille Lacs for years beyond our own if regulation and conservation continue to grow. The biggest threat to the lake is invasive species thats what people should be advocating for, to raise awareness and increase funding for fighting these threats.

[Mayfly]

Bluewavexx....

Maybe you can clear something up for me. You seem to have some inside info.

How do you feel about the WI tribes coming over to net? I have had a place on Mille Lacs for almost 10 years now and have fished the lake since I was a kid. Know a lot of people and know some natives on the area as well that do net. Actually, i know some people that live down here in the cities that net with family up there as well. Anyways.. I have heard more than a few choice words about some of the groups that come from WI. Any thoughts on that??

[Benny]

A refreshing thread here, although I am part Native American I never took part in any trible netting.
I did however do some Tulibe netting on Swan Lake off hwy 65 and some surrounding lakes up North.

It was through the ice though so it differed some what from open water netting.

Benny

[bonecollecter82]

Wow its kinda nice to see a differant side of the story. Thanks for sharing some of your knowledge. Can you explain some of the regulations the natives have to follow for netting is can you take any kind and size of fish?? If you dont want post about it to prevent a bunch of banter I understand. Or you could pm it to me. I dont want to start anything it just nice to see the other side of the story,

[MNBucKKiller]

Im sorry that you feel that way, after all its a perfectly good reason to act ignorant. Maybe if you knew more about the lake instead of relying on your jealous predispositions you wouldnt make rude sideways comments.

maybe... maybe not, who knows. 

I've never supported racism.

[rockman]

The netting has started down here. They will be in and out in no time, so just relax. I think that if you went down to the landing sometime when they bring in their fish, you would find that they are doing it as fast as they can, after all would you want to stick around in a town that does not want you there any longer than you had too? Their are some natives that do some funky stuff, just like any white man could do if he had these rights, but for the most part, they are good people. I have met many of them through the years. That is all I have to say about that! You can not fight this issue and win, it is what it is, so let us try as a people to move on and take on the invasive species issue, like the zebra musell that has gotten into Lake Mille lacs. Now that is a fight worth fighting for and we need to win this one.
Rock

[bluewavexx]

there are lots of regs mesh size cant be more than 1 3/4 keeps the big mamas out of the nets, they have regs on weights and floats lift times and lengths of nets, every fish is weighed measured and sexed , also all tags on fish are removed and recorded with the state. The Wisconsin tribes coming over is a touchy thing we can thank bud grant and PERM for bringing that up in the lawsuit if they had just let mille lacs band do their thing initially they wouldnt have came here. In short the wasteful lawsuit that occurred increased netting tenfold had they left it alone...? Most mille lacs band dont like them over here at all some of them leave a bad taste in the locals mouth at bars and at landings then they go home and most people cant tell one indian from another so they assume we are all the same. 99% of mille lacs indians net on the reservation. its the wisconsin indians @ garrison malmo and cedar creek. They basically come net piss people ogff and gome home and sell their fish meanwhile the indians like myself have to live here and edure rude comments from people like MNBUck killer....by the way bucks taste like hell i kill bambi's.

[snow]

I'm not buying it folks~ Take a look at wisconny,why do you think the wisc tribes come here? They've already killed their lakes 1st,remember the netting and spearing started there in the early 90's,yellow lake has such a shaky walleye population now they  have a "1 fish" daily limit! and a crappy slot as an example,not sure of the size but its something like 17" -26"s protected,Balsame is another,at one time both were two of the best walleye lakes in wisconsin

Remember the 1st year netting here? I do,our DNR was so worried about the walleye population they imposed a 14-16" slot on us sport fisherman,guess what happened next? folks quit coming up,mom and pop's resorts struggled and eventually folded along with a bunch of restaurants,take a drive up the west shore if ya have'nt for a few years,its a sad sight from past years.

Stay tuned,we're about to see a possible re-occurance of this treaty issue and the legality of it in court,hope so anyway,maybe as soon as this weekend the wheels will start to turn.

Read more~

http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/blogs/89763837.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUgOahccyiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

[rockman]

Just be cool fool's!!!!
Rock

[MNBucKKiller]

there are lots of regs mesh size cant be more than 1 3/4 keeps the big mamas out of the nets, they have regs on weights and floats lift times and lengths of nets, every fish is weighed measured and sexed , also all tags on fish are removed and recorded with the state. The Wisconsin tribes coming over is a touchy thing we can thank bud grant and PERM for bringing that up in the lawsuit if they had just let mille lacs band do their thing initially they wouldnt have came here. In short the wasteful lawsuit that occurred increased netting tenfold had they left it alone...? Most mille lacs band dont like them over here at all some of them leave a bad taste in the locals mouth at bars and at landings then they go home and most people cant tell one indian from another so they assume we are all the same. 99% of mille lacs indians net on the reservation. its the wisconsin indians @ garrison malmo and cedar creek. They basically come net piss people ogff and gome home and sell their fish meanwhile the indians like myself have to live here and edure rude comments from people like MNBUck killer....by the way bucks taste like hell i kill bambi's.

not buying it, and don't change the subject this isn't about hunting

[MNBucKKiller]

Can you please explain to me why its okay for N.A to net fish. 

What do I get out of it?
A four fish limit and a slot, fair?  I think not.

Keep in mind I have nothing agains native americans as a whole, just the ones that net fish.   I work with a few that DON'T net, I get along with them very well

[snow]

 


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[bluewavexx]

Theres nothing to really argue about no need to draw a line in the sand guys, its really nothing to get up arms about. The slot was imosed because resorts and cabins of the 60's 70's and 80's spewed sewage trash and leaky two cycle engines, which in turn polluted the lake, and for the record i wish bad upon no one i could care less if billy from white bear lake comes here and gets his limit its called fishing not catching if you cant catch walleye in mille lacs you might as well give up this is the land of ten thousand lakes if you dont like theres more. I would also like to say that anyone who buys into steve fellegys semi racist garbage isnt very smart its riddled unclaimed facts and half truths he is just leftovers of the anti-indian movement. MN BUckiller its okay for NA to net because it was guaranteed by YOUR government in exchange for the trees, land, culture and way of life they took it was really the least they could do considering NA called this place home long before the US govt. Its okay to have an opinion about something but its just not something to get upset about. I can honestly say the tribe would limit and cease netting if the population was in jeopardy. GLIFWC and the mille lacs band spend more money regulating and managing mille lacs than the state DNR. Im glad you stereotyped which indians you like thats like me saying "I dont like Caucasians who drive fords because i dont like their business model, but im friends with a few Caucasians at work who dont drive fords and i get along with them". because some one nets doent make them your enemy thats just ignorant, I have no hard fellings but you have alot of growing up to do and you have to realize that there are things more deserving in life of your feelings.

[MTCOMMER]

Well, Ive been thinking about staying out of it, but the solution is simple, just like bluewavexx has stated.  I dont fish Mille Lacs, obviously netting Mille Lacs is not a popular thing and doesnt sit too well with other around the state, but like has been said, there isnt anything we can do about it.  The Walleye population is pretty good on the lake.  When you have a body of water that large, you have to understand there is alot of fish in the lake.  I would say Mille Lacs is one of the most well known lakes in MN, but there are other lakes to fish, especially around the area.
There is nothing we can do about the fact of netting.  It is what it is.  I dont like it, but I dont fish there.  There are plenty of things I dont like, but controlling many of them is out of my grasp.
There are 9,999 other lakes in MN (i realize there are more than 10,000 lakes in MN, but just for arguement sake), FISH ON THOSE.
 

[MNBucKKiller]

 

[bluewavexx]

Your immaturity is getting the best best of you again young one.....

[snow]

"The slot was imosed because resorts and cabins of the 60's 70's and 80's spewed sewage trash and leaky two cycle engines, which in turn polluted the lake"

GIVE ME A BREAK~   pollution had nothing to do with the slots,here or anywhere they have slots including canada~

I like this one~

"I can honestly say the tribe would limit and cease netting if the population was in jeopardy. GLIFWC and the mille lacs band spend more money regulating and managing mille lacs than the state DNR."  Yeah,they (tribe) were all over that on URL,lets see,going back in time it took 13 years to kill URL when they opened it up to commerical fishing,we're on year 10 here and according to #'s posted from fall survey traps the DNR has concerns regarding male walleye #'s from the last two years.

Why in the hell would we (tax payers) spend money to regulate a fishery thats netted and speared? Thank goodness we don't stock the lake or any others that are within 12 counties that they pilage.Knowone here is pointing figures at you maxx~just disagree on a few of your points/unfounded facts.

For any of you that have'nt seen a gill nett,here ya go,looks like someone forgot to check the mess size~

BTW~ This nett was one of many that were lost a few years ago and we never herd if these fish were counted against the tribes harvest? Plus nothing was said about citations either???









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[MNBucKKiller]

Your immaturity is getting the best best of you again young one.....

nope i just don't think you have any idea what you are talking about... but its okay, you continue doing what you are doing and we will continue disagreeing with it and we can move on.

Its pointless to argue with someone who feels the world needs to be handed to them because of something that happend two hundres years ago.  Im done with you, have a nice life

[bluewavexx]

That doesnt happen often.. shall i take i take pictures off all the trash that washes up after opener? Im not wasting my time with you and for the record yes they do count against the quota and a lost net counts double against the quota and you will lose your privileges for a very long time if you lose a net not one time EVER has a mille lacs indian lost their net here. you can sulk all you want but this is a reality at many reservations and fisheries around the country whether it happened 2 years ago or two hundred your still wrong and this is our reservation so yea have a nice life being angry squirt ! i open to any open minded questions that aren't filled with bias and attitude i have nothing to hide neither does anyone else

[bluewavexx]

and just to note that i dont feel that i need to have anything handed to me i work my tail off for everything i got, go back to mommy and daddy with your anger issues.

Snow i wont disagree that picture makes me upset as it does you. But you have to thing that the barbed hooks and culled fish along with the poached ones make that amount look tiny. Its no different than when fishermen leave eelpout and other fish to die on the ice in the winter. Which brings me to another point i havent seen many if any eelpout this year, where did they go? maybe its the stocked muskies? any thoughts.....and no you rarely if ever see one in a net ive seen one in three years of netting.

[Firetiger]

I dont drop in here very often but it is good to hear from the other side once in a while.Im not real fond of netting either and I dont think anyone has to do it because they are starving these days.I dont have a problem with taking some fish for traditional/cerimonial purposes as if it were me and my culture I would want that to.Selling them or taking way more than you need doesnt qualify for that.I always said if it was only the Mille Lacs band doing this it wouldnt be a problem.And I do agree that the other out of state tribes come and stir the pot and leave and you have to take the heat for it.Maybe if you posted this stuff more on what they really do with their fish maybe someone would actually check up on them.I doubt it but they might.I fish Mille Lacs quite a bit and throw lots of keepers back a year and only keep enough for a few meals a year.Its a great lake and I hope it stays that way.And yes Bambies do taste a lot better than bucks.

there are lots of regs mesh size cant be more than 1 3/4 keeps the big mamas out of the nets, they have regs on weights and floats lift times and lengths of nets, every fish is weighed measured and sexed , also all tags on fish are removed and recorded with the state. The Wisconsin tribes coming over is a touchy thing we can thank bud grant and PERM for bringing that up in the lawsuit if they had just let mille lacs band do their thing initially they wouldnt have came here. In short the wasteful lawsuit that occurred increased netting tenfold had they left it alone...? Most mille lacs band dont like them over here at all some of them leave a bad taste in the locals mouth at bars and at landings then they go home and most people cant tell one indian from another so they assume we are all the same. 99% of mille lacs indians net on the reservation. its the wisconsin indians @ garrison malmo and cedar creek. They basically come net piss people ogff and gome home and sell their fish meanwhile the indians like myself have to live here and edure rude comments from people like MNBUck killer....by the way bucks taste like hell i kill bambi's.

[22lex]

Its pointless to argue with someone who feels the world needs to be handed to them because of something that happend two hundres years ago. 
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Statements like this and other crap that I have read that start with an "i've heard", "someone told me" or "i think" portray the poster to be feeling alot more than they are thinking. I read a post on another site that someone claimed to have put in over 200 hours this winter and didn't even see a walleye landed......really?......I'm sorry, but whatever that person did besides drink is beyond me not to catch a warlock off that lake in 200 hrs., for goodness sake check you rattle reels!

Pictures are worth a thousand words and Snow that is literally disgusting, and as a person who does not live there I can't imagine what that makes the area residents and anglers feel like. I can see where the frustration is coming from, and I too in that position would want to see a change happening.

Bluewavexx, because there are a bunch of misinformed people on all these sites spreading garbage and not facts doesn't mean everyone feels this way, and I appreciate hearing your side. 

[MTCOMMER]

I can kinda say I have been on the other side of the arguement.  A few years back, a lake near our hunting land was opened to liberalized fishing.  Its deepest point is somewhere around 15' and with 2 feet of ice and another 2-3 feet of snow on top, the DNR couldnt plow enough roads to get sunlight down into the lake, so they opened it up.  As many fish as you want, however you want to get them, so my uncle, father and I netted for a weekend.
The locals on the lake didnt like the idea of liberalized fishing, because it was ruining their fishery.  There were many instances of nets being cut.
I can see the resemblance between the two, the people that live on the lake dont like the fact that an above average amount of fish are being taken out of the lake.  It makes less opportunity for them.  Luckily, our net was not cut and we did pretty well that weekend, we kept about 100 walleyes, all between 1-3 pounds (the smaller and bigger fish didnt stay in the nets).

The one bad thing is that the DNR got a little happy in placing the lake on the liberalized fishing list and if turned out that the population wouldnt have had as much winter kill as they thought.  I can see the frustration when the netting is occuring year after year and not just once in an isolated incident...  Its a very touchy subject with sportsmen.


On I side note:  Im pretty sure its impossible to go 200 hours and not see a walleye be landed.  I could see maybe a few days, even a week - but alomst 10 straight days.... thats an exaggeration that makes the arguement void.  That guy is for sure lying to prove a point and it does just the opposite - In my eyes

[snow]

1st off "Kudo's" to this site for keeping this topic alive,after all this is a topic of concern for all~

Here is the larger picture folks,its not just about walleyes and please take a moment to read this.

Keep in mind the pic I posted is only 1 40ft net,now do the math using 100's of netts,I have a friend that lives on Hawbill Point,and from his front window yesterday he can count at 60 netts,hell he can't even launch his boat with all the crap out there.

How many of you knew that we (tax payers) are paying for all this? And we tax payers are paying for the landing protection during their netting operations.



Ponder this....what is the per capita spending/cost from both state and federal levels, (all Tribes) in Mn. and all of the U.S. as a whole--compared to the rest of us tax paying "citizens"?

This is just ONE agancy that delivers $$ to the Tribes on the federal level. From BIA---"The fiscal year 2009 budget seeks $2.2 billion for the agency that serves more than 550 tribes and more than 1.6 million American Indians and Alaska Natives. "

And for 2010--"President Obama Releases FY 2010 Interior BIA Budget Request
Written by Michael Wero
Wednesday, 13 May 2009 00:10
The President’s Budget Request for FY 2010 for the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) was released on May 11, 2009. The President’s Budget Request for BIA was increased by $161.3 million or 6.8 percent from the FY 2009 enacted budget for a total of nearly $2.7 billion. The Operations of Indian Programs portion of the BIA account is funded at $2.3 billion, which is $150.2 million or 7.1 percent above the enacted 2009 budget. The FY 2010 BIA budget also supports the full-time equivalent of 8,451 employees; an increase of 167 from the FY 2009 enacted levels.

The FY 2010 BIA budget focuses on fulfilling core responsibilities to America Indians and Alaska Natives through programs and services vital to Indian Country that benefit the greatest number of Indians on a nationwide basis. The FY 2010 budget highlights the Secretary’s commitment to Protecting Indian Country, Advancing Indian Education, Creating a New Energy Frontier, and Tackling Climate Impacts initiatives while maintaining the Department’s commitment to trust management reform. The FY 2010 budget factors administration and tribal priorities, demonstrated program performance, and realistic administrative limitations.

The proposed budget includes a combination of programmatic increases and decreases, elimination of congressional earmarks, and funding to address fixed costs.

The FY 2010 budget for the BIA empowers Native American communities through initiatives directed at improving safety, education, and energy resources, while addressing the impacts of climate change.

Protecting Indian Country

This initiative consists of program increases totaling $30 million to provide the resources necessary to protect Indian communities. The 2010 budget will advance the Protecting Indian Country initiative through new investments in officers on the street, specialized training, detention centers, and Tribal Courts.

Advancing Indian Education

This initiative consists of program increases totaling $72 million to improve Indian education. The increase will forward fund Tribal Colleges and Universities to assist in their planning efforts and will help schools managed by the Bureau of Indian Education achieve established goals.

Creating a New Energy Frontier

This initiative consists of increases totaling $5 million to develop renewable energy standards and to perform studies to determine clean energy capabilities on tribal land. The studies will allow tribes to enter into power purchase agreements and to engage the industry and investment community to assist development of renewable energy resources on tribal trust land.

Tackling Climate Impacts

This initiative consists of increases totaling $6 million to make new investments in adaptive land management, invasive species and noxious weed eradication, and the fish hatchery program. These investments will allow the BIA to better understand and manage for impacts of a changing climate.

The 2010 budget emphasizes programs that provide a safe, secure, and economically sound future for Indian communities. The budget includes funding to foster economic development, provide workforce training, reduce crime on reservations, improve trust management, support student achievement, and promote new and existing self-determination contracts through increased contract support.

These figures are available in the BIA greenbook which is accessible on the web at http://www.doi.gov/budget/2010/data/greenbook/FY2010_IA_Greenbook.pdf

Congress is currently scheduling Committee and Subcommittee hearings regarding the FY 2010 Budget Request. The NNWO will attend the initial hearings on the FY 2007 Budget Request for each Congressional Committee and/or Subcommittee, and a report will be forwarded to the appropriate Navajo Nation Division, Council Committee, and each branch Chief.

If you have any questions please call our office at 202.682.7390.
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[snow]

BTW maxx,fish mortality is figured in by the creel survey crews...and most often exceeds the sport fishing #s from years past.