Gill Netting

[wallyhntr1]

Not seeing any discussion about Native Gill Netting in here...Is this topic a 'no no' in here? Has Steve Fellegy/CASST.COM been talked about, supported?

[beeker]

feel free to discuss. with the expectation that it be kept civil

[snow]

wally,I've tried in the past to get some convo goin on this issue but the handful of viewers on this topic see no point  in discussing w/o seeing the light at the end of the tunnel,personally I can't sit on my hands doing nothing,I sure hope Steve Fellegy's case makes it to federal court sooner rather than later,also curious to see the DNR results regarding the mille lacs lake spawning walleye bio mass #'s,they should be done with netting by now.

[wallyhntr1]

Snow- Yes, the Mille Lacs DNR survey for 2011 is done, although the DNR wont release the info until January, go figure.....I'll bet my bottom dollar the SSB numbers will be down again this year... People need to know that the Walleye SSB (Spawning Stock Biomass) number was at 3.2 Million when netting started on Mille Lacs- in 2010 that SSB number had dropped to 1.7 Million....  You know my relationship with our Aitkin boys, I'll leave that out of this unless people would like to read about all the correspondence I've had with them...
Our outdoors people really need to educate themselves of this issue, it isnt just about fishing. The Native Industry (not the native people) is after power/control, because they can in the name of Selective Sovereignty, resources & people take a back seat to this Industry.. This Industry is now looking to gain 50% control of Lake Mille Lacs in the next 5yr plan & if/when that happens, nonnatives will be lucky to be able to keep 1 walleye...This Industry is also now involved in the Loan business, Google search Native Loans & it will make you sick! The Industry is charging 450% & higher interest rates on these loans! This Industry is after one thing & the native people are not the beneficiaries. This Industry has huge amounts of financial backing, it has a Government 'blankey' that allows this industry to gain more & more power/control & that 'blankeys' name is Selective Sovereignty. There is more, much more, if people want to hear/learn.....

[wallyhntr1]

I'll add- If people want to read/learn facts from a person whos knowledge is 2nd to none regarding this, to google search Joe Fellegy....   Please support CASST.COM

[wallyhntr1]

A tidbit of info that doesn't sit well with me, boils my blood actually-   The limits/slots/quotas for Mille Lacs are determined ONLY by/between our Aitkin DNR and GLIFWC...  This year, these two entities came to an agreement to reduce nonnative quotas, while RAISING native quotas!  Our DNR, the people we pay, agreed to reduce ours & raise natives!   This agreement forces me to ask, why???  Could it be possible that this Indian Industry, which includes GLIFWC, is in bed with our Aitkin DNR, maybe something under the table???  Why would our DNR do this, to us, when we pay their wages, when we'll be paying for the aftermath, as we did in the Red Lake situation?? Why did nonnatives pay for any part of restocking Red Lake, when it's a fact that native netting destroyed it & we arent even allowed on most the lake to boot??  & now the Industry wants 50% control of Mille Lacs....  I hope people see what's about to come down the turnpike & get involved, the Industry is after control of many northern Minnesotas waters, resources that every American has the right to, we are losing this right...   Support Steve Fellegy/CASST.COM

[wallyhntr1]

I see you're right Snow....  Is it that people are just accepting, dont want to talk about/confront, regarding this issue?

[kenhuntin]

 Native people's right to net should not be bothered with as long as they wade in the water like their ancestors did and not in a Lund Tyee. with personally hand woven nets not commercial monofilament, using a clamshell to illuminate a candle on a stick not a million candlepower electric spotlight.Gut their fish with a sharp bone and not an electric knife.  And transport the catch to camp with a travois rather than a 4wd chev. I would have to believe the original Native Americans who were people that deserve great respect would be humiliated and ashamed of the lazy willdlife raping that occurs today.

[wallyhntr1]

We have the Government to thank for this... Would agree with your statement about the original Natives being humiliated/ashamed of what this Native Industry is doing & it's not just fishing that's involved, this Industry has a green light (selective sovereignty) and are using it to gain power/control of many things, Native & nonnative people along with natural resources are being used for this Industries gain.... People need to be concerned with what's coming down the turnpike.... Support Steve Fellegy/CASSTODAY.COM

[spear foot 1]

From what I have read and been told,dont hold this to me, but when was it last year when a farmer found all the gut piles and un cleaned fish on his land?  and the resort owners were digging un cleaned northerns out of there dumpsters? And when confronted about it the tribe said it was the tribial people from  a neighboring state. I feel that fighting tribal netting is like beating a dead horse. It aint gonna get us no where. But what gets me is why in the h;ll  are we supporting tribal members from other states.

[snow]

spear foot,

Thats where you're wrong,sitting on your hands doing nothing isn't helping,the indian industry keeps pushing and pushing,taking what they can because our gov't gave them the green light in 1999,the time has come to push back,we need to fight back,that is where C.A.S.S.T comes in,read about whats happening on Steve Fellegys blog,very informational and eye opening,not just mild chatter on a outdoor site.

This issue isn't just about gill netting mille lacs,there is a much larger agenda here in regards to the indian industry,but hell yeah,commercial walleye netting of mille lacs is a sore spot for many of us and hopefully the natives the USFW service busted last spring in garrison for selling walleye fillets stirs the pot,opens some eyes on the federal level what is really happening here,the sad part is the lake and the people that depend on the tourism are the ones that suffer,we're waiting to see the results of this years DNR walleye Bio-spawning mass data,all bets are more of the same,"another drop in spwning #'s,sure fishing has been good,but what folks don't think about is the future,loook at Red Lake as an example of whats to come,#'s from last years survey puts the SSB's # down to 50% from when the netting started in 1999.

[wallyhntr1]

Gill netting was not a right given by the Feds, this Gill netting 'agreement' was between our State & GLIFWC, Gill Netting can be banned...Banning Gill Nets does not take away Native rights to take fish year round, does not take away from allotted quotas....The Native Industry is using this 'agreement' (not a right) between them & our state, for financial gain while it has destroyed/is destroying our natural resources, this agreement must be banned!  Support Steve Fellegy/CASSTODAY.COM

[spear foot 1]

What I want to know is why are people coming in from other states to net? I guess what I need is some one to define 'band' or ' tribe',  I thought to belong you had to live on the res? Or what, so can members from minnesota go to other states and net, why would they being some of those states fisherys are wiped out and thats why there coming here, but besides the point what are the boundries  or what ?

[wallyhntr1]

The wisconsin bands come here because the lakes they are allowed to net in wisconsin are close to being dead, Gill netting destroys resources, is why those lakes have such low walleye limits....Those bands are included in a treaty, they can come here...  not only that- Wisconsins band members can commercially sell the walleye they net from Mille Lacs... The gill net must be banned & doing so does not take away native rights/quotas, it saves our resources from this Industries destruction & Mille Lacs Lake is in their sights- These bands now want, are going after 50% control of Mille Lacs Lake.... If you care to read up on treaties/netting/courts/facts- do a google search on Joe Fellegy, his involvement & knowledge is second to none... Support Steve Fellegy/CASSTODAY.COM & help put an end to the Gill Net.

[spear foot 1]

 Very interesting article and facts he has about it.

[snow]

spear,

This entire issue is way more than gill netting mille lacs,but mille lacs is our hot zone here,these folks could careless about our natual resources and the community surrounding the lake,its a sad state-of-affairs to say the least,the more folks talk and learn about whats taking place the more support we'll have in the end game.

In my life time I watched what happened to Red Lake,went to the state capitol in 1992 and listened to the speeches and watched the protest  about what was going to happen on mille lacs,watched 1st hand the non-native protest at the balsam lake boat access in wisc where this 1st started in the late 80's.

Sitting back and doing nothing isn't an option for alot of us,we need to hold our folks in the atkin DNR office accountable for whats taking place,but sadly thats not going happen until someone slaps the right people up the ladder,the indian industry keeps daggling the carrot with tokens of money here and there,make their small donation seen in public,painting a picture of being good,law abidding folks that care..cough,cough...excuse me while I throw up.Then stick it to us common folks and smile.

[wallyhntr1]

Well the news is out- Mille Lacs walleye numbers decline...   DNR made a statement that makes them look like the wing nuts they are!!  Our Aitkin boys said Gill Nets are "targeting" smaller male walleyes.... I would like them to explain how a gill net targets smaller male walleyes when anything that swims into one is dead, good luck with that.....Support Steve Fellegy/CASSTODAY.COM & end Gill Nets...

[wallyhntr1]

 


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[Lee Borgersen]

BREAKING NEWS!!!    Please support Steve Fellegy @ Casstoday.com

THE MN. APPELLATE COURT IS HEARING OUR CASE ON APRIL 12TH!! STAY TUNED....

PLEASE HELP! GO TO THE CASSTODAY.COM AND HELP US CHANGE HISTORY ON YOUR BEHALF!

YOUR $20 OR MORE EFFORT IS MUCH NEEDED!





 
 

Thanks for the update

I sent him a healthy check last year and hope many others either have or will do the same. Best of luck on your mission Steve

[wallyhntr1]

Thank you!

This will be a very telling year for Mille Lacs...  Our DNR most likely will be lowering limits to 2 fish, or, closing the lake to nonnatives sometime during the year... If it's closed, will it say closed for next years ice fishing season, and possibly longer?  The nets will be going out early, will have a lot of time to rape the resource during the spawn this year... 

Facts from our Aitkin DNR- Mille Lacs Walleye SSB (spawning stock biomass) when nets 1st started- 3.2 million
Mille Lacs SSB for 2010- 1.7 million
Smallmouth & Rock bass populations have quadrupled during this time, taking up the PPA (pounds per acre) that once was held by Walleye.

Our Aitkin DNR are not letting out the 2011 SSB number, they did the survey last fall to gain this info, not letting it out...   Dont think I'm going too far out on a limb by saying- I bet the 2011 SSB is now 1/3, or less, of what it was when netting started...  Dont think I'm going far out by saying- Mille Lacs, meet Red Lake....  All to entertain a gill net agreement...  This method of harvest has to be banned....     Support Steve Fellegy @ CASSTODAY.COM

[snow]

Good info wally,sadly I think you hit the nail on the head here,folks effected here are the folks that live around the lake,the entire community is at risk of losing everything if our non-native harvest regs are slashed once again,gas pushing $4/gal,maybe more by May,possible 2 fish daily limit,a more restricked slot?This will be the begining of the end for these folks and the lake.

Folks even if you don't join C.A.S.S.T take a looksey at Steve Fellegy's blog/CASST and educate yourselves,watch the video of netters harvest 60 walleyes in 60 seconds(just one net) and tell us this does'nt bother you as a sportsmen/women,what happened to red lake is happening on mille lacs,it took 13years of commercial gill netting to shut down red lake,with slots pounded down our non-native throats it might take a few years more on mille lacs but the effects are crystal clear today,and remember our natives have special rights today as well,one is harvesting by hook-n-line,10 fish daily limit and no slot,also ask yourself "why" we have 6 tribes from wisconsin pilaging mille lacs and giving nothing in return,they setup camps at our public accesses (we non-natives cannot) take spawning walleyes off their beds,and oh I forgot I know the answer why they come here,because they (natives) have already ruined their lakes by gill netting,just take a look at daily limits/slots for lakes in the wisc ceded territory and you'll see my point.

[wallyhntr1]

It's a fact, staring us right in the eyes... We nonnatives will lose our resource/resources, we nonnatives will pay for the destruction, exactly what WE DID in the case of Red Lake....  How in the hell, in this day & age, can something so destructive to resources, be allowed by our government.... It's beyond me..


This one is for you, Government-      

[skj]

 

It's a fact, staring us right in the eyes... We nonnatives will lose our resource/resources, we nonnatives will pay for the destruction, exactly what WE DID in the case of Red Lake....  How in the hell, in this day & age, can something so destructive to resources, be allowed by our government.... It's beyond me..


This one is for you, Government-      

       

[wallyhntr1]

 Thank you, everyone, for all of your past and present support!

This, most likely, will be a long and complex process--to reach our end goals.

That said, we've funded the first round and now are about to enter the 2nd round. It could be the last but most likely will not be. So, at this time, we need to, at least, duplicate our past funding efforts. Now, everyone and more (pass this onto relatives, friends, neighbors, co-workers and beyond), who put a $20 bill or more at this effort last spring, needs to do so again. Remember, you are investing in yourself and the future of yours. In other words, EVERYONE who is against unequal rights/access to our natural resources etc., needs to step up, again, now.

Again, thank you all. Remember, this is not about me. There is no "I" in team. This effort is as much or more yours than it is mine. In the end, the dividends will be all worth your investment. Bet on it!! Be a team player...click onto the CASSTODAY link below.
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[fishnutbob]

I sent a check yesterday to help Steve.

[wallyhntr1]

A message from Steve-


An ongoing THANK YOU to everyone who supports the effort CASSTODAY is putting forth on behalf of all of you!

In the past two weeks, our Trustee that is in charge of accounting reports we have received about 60 donations. Those $$ are hugely appreciated. Is it enough? Hardly. That's one percent of the anglers that will fish the lake on opening day.....

Please, people, if you are against having gill-nets killng spawning walleyes at Lake Mille Lacs (and potentially on your favorite walleye lake in the future), taking 30,000 to 60,000 (that's actual fish numbers, NOT just lbs.)walleyes from the lake before you get there, you need to be a $$ part of this effort.

Click on the CASST link below and invest a $20 bill or more in the future of your Lake Mille Lacs fishing. If you complain about it, you need to be a part of fixing what you don't like. This isn't about me and a fish. This case is about YOU and YOUR fish.

THANK YOU!! Let's work together on this. Pass this effort and $$ need to everyone you know who fishes Lake Mille Lacs and to everyone who cares about equal rights to our natural resources in Minnesota and beyond. This effort needs you all!


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