real reason moose are disapearing from mn

[dakids]

http://www.sentierchassepeche.com/72/video.html?viewkey=046a66883807d18d0264
Here is a video from canada.  I feel that wolves are the elephant in the room that no one(DNR) is willing to blame for the declining moose numbers in mn.
2 of the wolves have tracking collars.

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[HUNTER2]

Didn't even watch the whole thing. Just makes a person mad.

[Outdoors Junkie]

That was upsetting and depressing.   

I have seen timberwolves several times where I hunt in northern MN (by Upper Red).  I have also seen moose.  I would love a future opportunity to hunt timberwolves.

 

[StrutNut]

Funny how the western states have a known problem with wolves but MN refuses to believe we have an issue. 

[Joe@deerhunters]

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Go to this site right now and tell your FEDERAl Reps to support the bill in congress to delist the wolf in the great lakes states. There is a bill right now being reviewed. Our MN delegation on the house side is all in support.  So key people to encourage are our federal Senators.  Ask them to support the house language calling for congressional delisting. 

[Bobby Bass]

Don't just blame the wolf.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/03/20/moose_study/

[FireRanger]

The video is captivating....nature in its raw form. I have moose hunted in Canada for almost 20yrs. Moose, wolves and deer for that matter have been coexisting for who knows how long. I have hunted deer and moose amongst wolves and have had success along with other friends of mine. Wolves will predominently prey on vulnerable animals and/or scavenge meals. In my personal observation, I would much more blame the climate then blame the wolf. Since I started hunting moose when I was younger, the population has seemed to decline in the areas that we hunted. The wolves had always been there regardless of the numbers of moose we've seen. What has changed is the numbers have seemed to have gone north. We never used to see deer until we crossed the border or headed west closer to the Manitoba border. Now, the deer are everywhere and the moose have been pushed out of the areas that we used to see them regularly. The wolves, still there. Moose and the biology of the their habitat cannot withstand the warmer longer temperatures we have been experiencing during the last decade. The summers are too hard on them and they are feeling the brunt of it. They are either dying due to biological climate changing or they are simply slowly moving north to a climate that is easier for them to survive. I believe that this is the same reason the deer numbers have exploded up there aswell. They are able to withstand the climate better now that the summers are easier up there and the winters aren't as formidable as they used to be.
We rush to blame the wolf because they are an easy way out. But there is more to the story. They would sooner take the easy meal then to take down a totally strong, healthy mature animal, not like us. We are the apex predator, always looking for the biggest, baddest thing of whatever species we're hunting. 

My 2 cents.....

[Joe@deerhunters]

Maybe................It is also what the climate changes have brought along, for example increased tick survival, more deer, more deer diseases such as brain worm and liver flukes, more deer resulting in smaller wolf packs covering smaller areas containing moose with calves. Before deer the wolf packs are bigger but cover larger areas. So the chances of the calf surviving used to be better.

So yes maybe climate, but it may not be only discomfort but a combination of that plus what the climate has brought with it to impact the moose.

We still maybe able to manage so of these impacts if we are willing.

[NouKa]

Wolves never disappeared from north east MN, which is also the area with highest moose density.  If there was a correlation between wolves and moose population decline it would be published not denied or hidden, science doesn't work by ignoring facts or denying them.  Truth is nobody know for sure what the decline is caused by, but warmer temperatures seem to be the best lead. 

[kenhuntin]

The so called scientists in charge of tracking radio collared moose are wolf lovers.The actual claim is that by the time they reach the site from which a they recieve a mortality signal they cannot examine a cause of death because the carcass has already been devoured by wolves. They refuse to list it as a wolf kill because none of the animals in the woods will speak or even go to a jury trial.
 Slim down the overpopulation of wolves and moose numbers will rise.
 In Canada their predators are controlled by legal seasons. That is why there are both species in coexistance.
 Doesn't the Minnesota zoo have a moose or two? I am not sure if they do or not but it is a hell of alot warmer here than Roseau.

[FireRanger]

I understand your point, but if you'd like you could contact the Ministry of Natural Resources of Ontario and ask them exactly how many wolves are killed by hunter's. Not that many. Other then one of my friends who's father shot 2 of them(over 30 years ago when there was an arbatoire a mile away from their house)trying to save their dog's life, I have never known of anyone in the 28 years I've lived in Northwestern Ontario that had ever killed a wolf or even a Coyote for that matter. I worked for the MNR of Ontario for 8 years aswell, and was friends with many of the Conservation Officers and the stories of wolves shot were very few and far between. I'm sorry but I just can't see them as the problem. I think I'm up to 4 cents now...