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Offline Lee Borgersen

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  Republicans join Democrats against Trump’s Great Lakes cuts.

3/18/17 Today


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It sounds like an idea that would warm a conservative Republican’s heart: Kill funding of a regional environmental cleanup that has lasted seven years and cost the federal government more than $2 billion, with no end in sight. If states want to keep the program going, let them pick up the tab.

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That is what President Donald Trump’s 2018 budget plan proposes for the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, an ambitious push to fix problems that have long bedeviled the world’s largest surface freshwater system — from invasive species to algal blooms and toxic sludge fouling tributary rivers.

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During the Obama administration, the program generally got about $300 million a year. Trump’s offer is zero. His spending plan released Thursday says it “returns the responsibility for funding local environmental efforts and programs to state and local entities, allowing EPA to focus on its highest national priorities.”

The response from Republicans in Great Lakes states: No, thanks! tut_tut-3315.gif

“I think it makes sense for us to continue to make prudent investments in protecting and improving the Great Lakes,” Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker told The Associated Press, adding that he would lobby the Trump administration and congressional leaders to put the money back. :happy1:

Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan considers Great Lakes funding “very important to Michiganders, therefore we know there is strong support among Michigan’s congressional delegation and we will work with them to preserve the funding,” spokeswoman Anna Heaton said. :happy1:

GOP lawmakers from the region also rushed out statements defending the program. It “helps protect both our environment and our economy,” U.S. Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio said. :happy1:

The reaction illustrates a political fact of life: Whether you consider something in the budget valuable or wasteful can depend a lot on where you’re from.


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Hello.......Mr Trump:

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Hello.......Mr Trump:

I'm with you on that. But I need to know who's lip prints are those?
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You have no need for that. I cannot divulge it. Glenn wouldn't like it. *WHOOPS!*  :doah:

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 Photos: Scenes from the Great Lakes

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 A sign warns swimmers of poor water quality at the beach along Lake Michigan near McKinley Marina in 2002. The Trump administration's proposed budget eliminates the federal Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, aimed at keeping the lakes healthy.
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An Asian carp, jolted by an electric current from a research boat, jumps from the Illinois River near Havana, Ill., during a study on the fish's population. Faced with the threat that Asian carp could enter the Great Lakes, Michigan is turning to the public for new ideas and plans to offer a prize to whomever comes up with a way to stop the voracious fish. The Trump administration's proposed budget eliminates the federal Great Lakes Restoration Initiative, aimed at keeping the lakes healthy.   
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You have no need for that. I cannot divulge it. Glenn wouldn't like it. *WHOOPS!*  :doah:


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Come on now Reb! That's a lie and you know it. I happened to know that Glenn was called in to work today to clean up some problems at the office.

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Seven years and 2 billion!  Sounds to me like a change is needed.  I can't say I'm for or against it yet.  No one wants this and it's sad to see.  However it sounds like someone is getting rich off this and "no end in sight".  If Boar and Glenn keep taking a dump in the lake and the tax payers are paying someone to clean it up.....well they really aren't solving the problem. 
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 :moon: & a bunch of  :bs: Expect a long fight over the budget then :bonk:
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hey I bring a bag, with me...definatley something has to be done, put a dang tonnage bounty on the critters, idk. I hae a tendency to agree with G, cept the dump part. stae and federal agencies need to work together, and having the feds just pull out is not going to help
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Seven years and 2 billion!  Sounds to me like a change is needed.  I can't say I'm for or against it yet.  No one wants this and it's sad to see.  However it sounds like someone is getting rich off this and "no end in sight".  If Boar and Glenn keep taking a dump in the lake and the tax payers are paying someone to clean it up.....well they really aren't solving the problem.
hey ......... :mad1: :mad1: :mad1: never did that!!!!!!!!! confused-3316.gif confused-3316.gif  :happy1: :happy1:

that's your boy da trumpster!!!!!!!!!!! :moon: :moon: he cant even get along with his own party!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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Those carp were on a food show last week.  They have a nice white meat and are nothing like regular carp.  They feed on plankton and are not bottom feeders.  The taste great and we need to get that word out is what they are hoping will happen.  If commercial fisherman can get a market for them it will sure help.  AND like I said earlier Trump has never hung out down by the creek so he could give a rip about our creeks.....   Say good bye to anything that helps the outdoors from him....  It is big city all the way in his world... 

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Those carp are are worse than most believe and can destroy a complete sports fishery.


bighead carpAsian carp get really big! This particular Bighead carp is about to be studied by USGS scientists
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What are carp?

Carp are a family of fish native to Europe and Asia. The common carp (Cyprinus carpio) has been in the US for over 100 years - long enough that we don't really know what our waters would be like without them. The common carp is considered a nuisance fish, but it doesn't seem to be doing too much harm to the lakes and rivers it lives in.

The newest carp invaders, bighead carp, black carp, grass carp, and silver carp (collectively known as "Asian carp"), seem to be causing trouble in the Mississippi River and surrounding waters.

Introduced to the U.S. in the 1970's to control weed and parasite growth in aquatic farms, Asian carp eventually managed to get into the Mississippi River and establish breeding populations. Asian carp are slowly making their way up the Mississippi River and its tributaries, and have been found as far north as Minnesota.


Why are carp a problem?

Asian carp cause serious damage to the native fish populations in the lakes and rivers that they infest because they out-compete other fish (video, 1 min) for food and space. Carp are also thought to lower water quality, which can kill off sensitive organisms like native freshwater mussels. Asian carp have been known to dominate entire streams (video, 45 sec), effectively pushing out the native species.

 Silver carp are known to jump out of the water at high speeds, which can injure boaters and damage boating equipment. So, what does a school of jumping silver carp look like? Check out this documentary: Asian Carp Invasion (video, 7min).

Experts are worried that if these fish get into the Great Lakes, they may negatively affect the area's $7 billion/year fishing industry. By out-competing native fish species for food and habitat, carp may reduce the populations of native fish that are so important to fishermen. Even if Asian carp are kept out of the Great Lakes, continued spread throughout the Mississippi River watershed could result in them reaching 31 states and 40% of the continental United States, spelling disaster for our nation's freshwater ecosystems.


How do carp spread?

Asian carp (especially Silver carp) are capable of jumping over barriers, including low dams. Flooding can spread these fish as well, because flooding can connect water bodies that aren't normally connected. This makes it possible for fish to travel to new areas. Recent floods may have helped the fish spread further.


Asian carp are also spread by human actions. The release of live bait containing young carp has introduced these fish to numerous water bodies. Watercraft that use the Mississippi locks allow carp to move upstream when the locks are opened to allow boats through. Additionally, boats that aren't drained after use can carry young carp or eggs that may be released into the water the next time the boat is used.

 Releasing even a few carp into a body of water can become a huge problem. While the adult carp prefer slow moving water, they look for high, fast moving water when laying eggs (a process called spawning). They lay hundreds of thousands of eggs at a time, multiple times per year, which means populations grow and spread quickly. Because of this, they can quickly out-compete native species, and put ecosystems in danger.


 

 

 
What do carp eat?


 The grass carp can eat up to 40% of its body weight in plants every day. Other species of carp consume up to 20% of their body weight daily. They can reach a maximum weight of 110 pounds (although the average is closer to 50).

Bighead and silver carp eat plankton, which native mussels and fish depend on. Grass carp consume plants, and can drastically change river and shoreline vegetation. Black carp have human-like molars and eat snails and mussels, including native species that are already endangered.

When the amount of plants, mussels, and plankton are lower in our lakes and rivers, the ecosystem becomes unbalanced and our native species that depend on these food sources suffer.
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They could close the locks, and make the river go back like it was supposed to be.  But that would cost someone money.   

As for the pollution, make the cities treat their sewage and their storm water before it gets to the lake.  Why should we have to pay for Chicago sewage?   

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awesome post mr Lee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes great info.  110 lbs!!!!!  That is one big fish.  I didn't realize they got that big.

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well there ya go, give something for the native to net and really profit from, by sending them to asia where they want them or the Asian markets in the U.S,
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