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      :reporter;  DNR official: Strong walleye fishing on Mille Lacs not a sign of healthy population. :scratch:

8/17/17

• Related: Minnesota scientists dive deep to learn why walleye are stressed. :taz: :Fish: :Fish: :Fish:

But that doesn't necessarily mean the population is healthy and thriving, the DNR says.

"It's very common, especially in sport fishing, for catch rates not to be related to abundance," said Don Pereira, the agency's state fisheries chief. "We're having issues with invasive species, and impacts on how much natural food is being created for walleye on the lakes so the fish are quite often in a pretty hungry state, which can really drive up angler catch rates."

Next month, the DNR will do its annual survey of fish populations in Mille Lacs. That survey helps determine just how much fish can be harvested next year. :scratch:



 Why walleye is Minnesota's 'holy grail of fish'

Hanson and other business owners are skeptical of the DNR's estimates of walleye in the lake.

"They maintain there's 50 percent less fish in the lake than there was five to 10 years ago, and we're seeing people going out and get 50, 60, 70 walleyes on a fishing trip," Hanson said. "We just can't rationalize that."

There are many reasons why walleye could be biting, including how much food or forage they have to eat, said Brad Parsons, central region fisheries manager for the DNR.

Parsons also says the restrictions mean more fish are being released to be caught again. And they might be keeping some anglers away.

"Fishing pressure is lower on Mille Lacs than it has been in the past," Parsons said. "So you have fewer people going for the same number of fish that are willing to bite at any given time."

Later this year, outside experts will review the DNR's science and management of Mille Lacs. DNR officials hope using peer review will help increase transparency and rebuild trust with the Mille Lacs business owners.

"There have been questions over time about whether the committee feels that our surveys and monitoring of the lake is answering all the questions that we need," Parsons said. "There's obviously a good walleye bite going on right now, and a lot of folks feel that that's due to the fact that there's more fish in the lake than our estimates are showing."

Members of the advisory committee will be able to pose their questions about how the lake's fish are sampled and counted directly to the experts, Parsons said.

Chris Vandergoot, a fisheries research biologist at the U.S. Geological Survey's Lake Erie station, will lead the research.



"I'm basically being asked to come in with a fresh set of eyes and an open mind and assess what's going on and help provide assistance however I can," Vandergoot said.

Both Erie and Mille Lacs are premier walleye lakes with a lot in common, Vandergoot said. Both have seen the walleye population fluctuate over time, and those changes often lead to criticism of how the lake is managed.

"Over my career on Lake Erie, we've run the gamut from times of want and times of plenty," Vandergoot said. "So this is pretty standard for any fisheries biologist who's managing one of these populations."

Vandergoot plans to meet with the advisory committee early next month and expects it will take six to nine months to come up with findings. He said he knows the debate over Mille Lacs' fishing regulations has been heated at times.

"Working on Lake Erie, I've learned in my career it's always good to get in a room and talk with people," he said. "I've been at many meetings when people are not very happy with you. That's just part of the business."

Roach said he commends the DNR for bringing in outside experts to review their work.

"I think this will really help as far as overall transparency," he said. "I think it's something that this lake needs and the people around this region needs."

Roach hopes the review will bring some consistency to the lake's fishing regulations.

"Stability to this area is huge, because these shutdowns are what takes a toll on the businesses," he said.

Some businesses that cater to walleye angers are getting creative to give guests another reason to come to Mille Lacs.

Nitti's Hunters Point Resort will offer bass fishing, a craft fair, four-wheeler rides and a bean bag tournament, said Justin Baldwin, whose family has owned the business for 21 years.

"It's just trying to take our business in a few different directions," Baldwin said.

Gov. Mark Dayton planed to be on Mille Lacs on Saturday to promote the lake's smallmouth bass fishery. Mille Lacs' reputation received a boost recently when Bassmaster magazine named it the top bass lake in the country.
« Last Edit: August 08/18/17, 02:11:42 AM by Lee Borgersen »
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so i have a question...................they keep claiming the reason there are so many fish caught on mille lacs is in part because there isnt much forage................so why then whrn you see pictures of these fish are the big and wide across the back.

now i've seen fish that seem to be lacking good food sourses, and starting behind the head they look like toothpicks????????? and i'm bettin these fish dont take the flinstone vitamins!!!!!!!!!!! :scratch: :scratch: :doah:
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so i have a question...................they keep claiming the reason there are so many fish caught on mille lacs is in part because there isnt much forage................so why then whrn you see pictures of these fish are the big and wide across the back.

now i've seen fish that seem to be lacking good food sourses, and starting behind the head they look like toothpicks????????? and i'm bettin these fish dont take the flinstone vitamins!!!!!!!!!!! :scratch: :scratch: :doah:

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As usual Glenn it seems that you are not one to dilly...dally around. I believe you need to contact da DNR about da Flintstone vitamins. Who else could have resolved the problem as promptly as you've done. You may have earned a position on da DNR Advisory Council,. Good job! Let us know how it turns out when you break da news to da DNR. I'm sure they will be astonished wit yer findings. Keep us posted wit your many research findings since this is a learning process here for all of us! :happy1:
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i figured nuttin out.......just asked the question!!!!! :happy1:

but i'm glad i could help wit my vast fishin knowledge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :fish2: :titanic: :stillfish: :reporter;
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Well, they put in electric fences to keep invasive carp out of the Great Lakes, (which didn't work) I suggest they put up electric fences around Mille Lacs at certain points to keep a certain invasive species from going INTO the water... and decimating the fish population.  :rolleyes:
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i think glenn nailed it.  the fish are fight over which flintstone vitamine character they want and before they knk2nit Dino has disovled in the water. and no vitamine

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i think glenn nailed it.  the fish are fight over which flintstone vitamine character they want and before they knk2nit Dino has disovled in the water. and no vitamine

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 :reporter; Mille Lacs Lake open water walleye season to close.

 





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Live bait restriction lifted during daytime hours for people fishing from shore, dock or pier


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Walleye season closes on Mille Lacs Lake after fishing hours conclude on Monday, Sept. 4. Anglers fishing for all other species from shore, dock or pier may use live bait during daylight hours through Thursday, Nov. 30.



Were pleased the DNR can fulfill the community's desire that shore fishing opportunities be available, particularly for children and families, said Brad Parsons, central region fisheries supervisor for the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources.



The live bait restriction remains in place for anglers in watercraft.


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Anglers can fish for muskellunge and northern pike at night using artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of live bait or angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession.



With the final open water walleye season closure on Mille Lacs, anglers cannot target walleye when fishing for other species. :tut:
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Off another site...Our outdoor folks need to know more about the intentions of our ojb tribe here in Mn~

This group is NOT our friends:

Art Gahbow, Chief Executive Officer of the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, stated "As of right now we are on the offensive. We are on the attack. To state it simply, we will take it back.... The goal is to get back the original Mille Lacs, Sandy Lake and Rice Lake Reservations. The Lake Lena area will also be expanded.... One way or the other, we will take it back.... The State of Minnesota does not understand that we are a sovereign government.... Commissioner of Natural Resources Don Wedll, I want you to have our 1837 Treaty litigation underway in the next six months.... All work hours, all business transactions, all contract negotiations will be aimed at one goal: restoration of the reservation lands.... We will not back down. We are on the attack. There is no surrender."
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let them have it. a fence/wall gets put up and there not allowed out of the soveriegn nation. nothing is allowed in or out. can you say self sustaining!!!!! man this jerks my chain!!!!!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:
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Off another site... ojb tribe here in Mn... This group is NOT our friends...

Art Gahbow, Chief Executive Officer of the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe, stated "As of right now we are on the offensive. We are on the attack..."

Don't get too worked up.  Art Gahbow died in 1991.

http://millelacsband-nsn.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/may-inaajimowin.pdf

Mille Lacs ecology and politics are still FUBAR, but taking his 25-year-old comments out of context could be misleading.
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can you say self sustaining!!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

As long we patronize the casinos, they are self-sustaining.

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I can't believe how many people still go there.  I would not spend a penny there anymore.  I used to like to go to Canterbury Downs every now and then but won't go there anymore neither now that the tribes took it over.  They are buying everything they can get their hands on.  Thanks to all of the gamblers.  I won't go to  a concert there neither.  They love seeing resorts on Mille Lacs in trouble.  They plan on owning all of them eventually. 

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can you say self sustaining!!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

As long we patronize the casinos, they are self-sustaining.
my statement still stands!!!!! and the closes i've been to a casino is driving by them, i may have used there parking lot once to change direction.

i believe the mission is still in line with what this guy stated!!!!!!!!!! another reason i will never visit cantebury park or whatever its called.

i'm still waiting for the day they pursue gambling in the 2 hotels they bought in the cities!!!!!!!!!!! :bonk: :bonk:
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I can't believe how many people still go there.  I would not spend a penny there anymore.  I used to like to go to Canterbury Downs every now and then but won't go there anymore neither now that the tribes took it over.  They are buying everything they can get their hands on.  Thanks to all of the gamblers.  I won't go to  a concert there neither.  They love seeing resorts on Mille Lacs in trouble.  They plan on owning all of them eventually.
:happy1: :happy1: :bow: :bow: spot on. and not just around mille lacs either.

so who in there right mind would turn down a HUGE pile a cash from the tribes for land if they offer it to someone. a normal person sees a huge payday to retire there gonna crab it.
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If its another war they want (which we won in the 1st place) lets get after them,start with cutting off federal aid,no more loans or grants,after all they have zero intentions to pay back,no more double standard life style (federal monies and casino $$$),how about toll boothes going into the casino's,after all we tax payers maintain the roads and how about a tax revenue for the utilities the rez and casino's use,after all they are a soverign nation so its long past due to pay to play and get off our dime.Islolate these damn rez's,impose sanctions for starters.

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I wanted the new Vikes stadium to be built on the complex at Arden Hills.  It would have  been room for motels, cafes, bars etc.  I wanted a state run casino there too.  That would have been great to help fund all of this stuff.  Of course those downtown businesses lobbied harder and kept bringing up the liabilities of the contaminated soils etc. so that put the scare on.  Well since I have heard (may have been here)  that any state run casinos have to pay a huge percentage back to the tribes due a contract that was signed that we won't compete with them.  What spineless politicians that we had dealing with this.  They were all paid off and now the tribes have so much money that I don't think we can compete with them anymore.  There isn't a politician in this state that would dare bring up anything that would compete with the tribes.  What a shame.....

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Here is how it happened and what has gone on since.  It got my Ire up again.

20 years later, state-tribal gaming compacts still produce friction
http://minnlawyer.com/2011/09/21/20-years-later-state-tribal-gaming-compacts-still-produce-friction/

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Great article Steve.  I read it all.  So it does not say we have to pay them a percentage of profits if we open a state run casino.  As a matter of fact it says the only way the tribes may negotiate with us is if we go into competition with them by having our own casinos or racinos.  Well I am all for that.  Not that I gamble much but would like to see the profits benefit our state instead of being raped by the tribes. 

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Easy,its not that simple,the reason its not spelled out about dividing profit is because the supreme court ruling in 1999 1837 treay rights piggy back a ruling giving the tribes sole rights to gaming,meaning it the state would build a casino,1st the tribe would most likely sue,2nd they are entitled to 50% of the profits,so f'em! it would take a private entity to make it work,canabary was on thne right track until the dewwakon tribe bought them out for 30million last I read anyway.