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anyone else watch the #4 news at 10 last nite???????? each week night they have a segment called "good question". i find it really interesting most nights. reality check wednesday can be interesting at times.

anyhow, the good question last night was what happens to those plastic bags after you put them in those recycling bins. to make a long story short, i found it pretty cool, it gets shipped out to the east coast somewhere, shreeded into real little pieces, sawdust is mixt and made into composite decking and other materials. they pointed out most the plastic recycling containers are made out of that !!!!!!! :happy1: :happy1:
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That is cool.  However then you have the extreem left up in Duluth that want to charge 5 cents per plastic bag use in stores up there.  Hasn't passed yet but If folks put these bags in recycle containers and the bags are made into useful items whats the problem.  Yet the tree huggers want to use paper bags which are made from trees which they seem to want to protect?? :crazy:  I have a seperate recycle container for my garbage service and make sure that everything that can be recycled goes in there.  good luck.

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I use my free fabric tote bags from grocery store grand openings!  :azn:
I use the plastic bags in place of plastic wrap...leftovers or thawing food put on a plate, pop it into a plastic bag and tuck edges under...why use saran wrap?

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I use my free fabric tote bags from grocery store grand openings!  :azn:
I use the plastic bags in place of plastic wrap...leftovers or thawing food put on a plate, pop it into a plastic bag and tuck edges under...why use saran wrap?
i use the bags for a fair amount of things also.

but i like saran wrap for certain applications when i want a more airtight fit.
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and it's food grade material
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So the company (Trex, in Virginia) say they use "an innovative blend of 95% recycled wood and plastic film."

I wonder what the sawdust to plastic film ratio is when they glue and press their product together.

Still, it is probably good that someone is re-using the plastic bags, cause standard recyclers don't want them.  God bless them for using a commodity no one else wants to turn a profit.

But what happens to the old recycled-material deck lumber when the home owners want a new deck?  Do all those plastic bags end up in the land fill anyway?  Just sayin...

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So the company (Trex, in Virginia) say they use "an innovative blend of 95% recycled wood and plastic film."

I wonder what the sawdust to plastic film ratio is when they glue and press their product together.

Still, it is probably good that someone is re-using the plastic bags, cause standard recyclers don't want them.  God bless them for using a commodity no one else wants to turn a profit.

But what happens to the old recycled-material deck lumber when the home owners want a new deck?  Do all those plastic bags end up in the land fill anyway?  Just sayin...

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They run them thru an extruder and make plastic bags.  :rolleyes:

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As I have mentioned earlier.  All of this stuff gets so blown out of proportion from the National News Channels.  Landfills are made of stuff that is compacted by machines so it is very tight.  I can drive an 80,000 lb semi on yesterdays garbage and turn around on it just like a parking lot.  It can be a challenge at times due to weather.  Things in landfills do no break down and desinegrate as many people think. Crumple up a paper bag and crumple up a plastic bag.  Which one makes the smaller ball.  The plastic bag.  Most places in the US just like them in their garbage to be landfilled.  If you have a garbage burner it is a different story.  So large cities may burn it and not like it in their burners.  MOST of us just throw them in the landfills.  Recycling plastic bags is kind of a joke.  The price of plastics is almost nothing.  SO you haul your plastic with a semi to someone who wants it and they give you almost nothing for it.  For us up here to haul it to the cities is very cost prohibitive.  China used to buy some of it but they don't even want it any more. 

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As I have mentioned earlier.  All of this stuff gets so blown out of proportion from the National News Channels.  Landfills are made of stuff that is compacted by machines so it is very tight.  I can drive an 80,000 lb semi on yesterdays garbage and turn around on it just like a parking lot.  It can be a challenge at times due to weather.  Things in landfills do no break down and desinegrate as many people think. Crumple up a paper bag and crumple up a plastic bag.  Which one makes the smaller ball.  The plastic bag.  Most places in the US just like them in their garbage to be landfilled.  If you have a garbage burner it is a different story.  So large cities may burn it and not like it in their burners.  MOST of us just throw them in the landfills.  Recycling plastic bags is kind of a joke.  The price of plastics is almost nothing.  SO you haul your plastic with a semi to someone who wants it and they give you almost nothing for it.  For us up here to haul it to the cities is very cost prohibitive.  China used to buy some of it but they don't even want it any more.
:pouty: :pouty: WELL............ way to ruin my happy feeling moment!!!!!!!!!!! :doah: :coffee: :shocked: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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I worked in the packaging industry for many years.  Plastic bags like flat films are all made in a reactor extruder as Reb said like a big balloon 2 stories high and rolled in to a roll. If it's flat film like shrink wrap it will be slit to size and rolled up.
The Mfg who buys them will then run them through their machines and print Target or Wal-Mart on them and cut and seal the bottom to the size they want.
Most recycling places actually really hate them as they get all tangled up in their shredders.

Kind of a boring video, go to about 1:50 to see the bag blowing machine.


 
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Sorry Glenn.  Same as the silly plastic straw thing.  If you dispose of it properly it is no different than a wooden or paper one.  Just don't throw it in the river like some dumbazzes have done.  Then the tree huggers want to change the world by instituting a policy that costs more to implement than there is savings.

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And look what was in the CAWchester paper last nite...just for Glenn!  :shocked:

Don't put that plastic bag in the recycling


Maryette Braithwaite worries that what’s put into recycling bins isn’t always making it to its intended destination.

“That concerns me, if people think they are doing the right thing and it doesn’t make any difference,” she said.

It’s a valid concern, and it’s one shared by those charged with handling local trash and recyclables.


Tory Keefe, owner of Sunshine Sanitation, said his drivers are seeing more and more trash make its way into recycling bins, which contaminates loads of otherwise recyclable paper, glass and plastics.

One stray plastic bag can gum up the works, forcing the machines that sort materials to shutdown, with the cost — a $100 to $500 charge — passed to trash haulers.

“If the bags don’t go through the system, then it’s residual trash,” he said.

Making things worse is the declining market for recyclable materials, which has forced some municipal trash haulers throughout the nation to stop collecting curbside recycling.

Communities are reporting the cost is simply too high after processing fees rose following China’s decision to stop buying plastic waste last year. In the past, recycling recovery facilities throughout the U.S. were sending collected plastic waste to China, which was willing to sort through it. But China companies have reversed course and is expected to stop accepting any recyclables by 2021.

“Communities were used to getting money back for those commodities, but they were actually having to pay to get rid of the recyclables,” said Tony Hill, Olmsted County’s director of environmental resources.

He said the international shift hasn’t had a big impact locally, since the city and county aren’t responsible for recyclables collected at the curb. The only recyclables the county collects are at its recycling center, 2122 Campus Drive SE, where local residents are expected to sort items on delivery.

“The markets are down for us, but at least we’re able to get rid of that material because of how we are handling it,” Hill said.

At the same time, the county is working with the local residential trash haulers with hopes of cleaning up the waste stream to make sure garbage and recyclables are property separated at the curb.

Olmsted County has been working with local trash haulers to provide educational materials that will hopefully help spread the message regarding what can be recycled from the curbside.


Sharon Schriever, regional programs manager for Olmsted County Environmental Resources, said the educational campaign is expected to launch Nov. 15, which is America Recycles Day.

Without a national, or even statewide, standard, Hill said it’s been hard to make sure everyone in the community is on the same page.

“Different communities have different messages depending on where the recycling is going,” he said.

He said another big challenge the campaign hopes to address is the “aspirational recycler,” who wants to believe all plastics can be recycled, which is not the case.

In Minnesota, No. 1, No. 2 and No. 5 plastics are most often collected at the curb, but many plastic toys, pipes and cutlery are not. (The numbers refer to the imprints on bottles and other plastic materials.)

Julie Ketchum, with Waste Management public affairs, said it appears to be a problem rooted in environmental concerns and good intentions.

“We have a generation that really wants to recycle as much as possible,” she said.

However, that is simply not the case.

“Just because the material is collected as recycling doesn’t mean it’s being recycled,” she said, noting the practice can drive up costs or result in a load of recycling going into the waste stream, where it is burned in Olmsted County with the resulting ash heading to a landfill.

Keefe said he expects the county’s educational effort will help reduce the times that happen. His company is already starting an education program of sorts.


Using video equipment in their trucks, drivers monitor each load as it’s picked up at the curb. If something that can’t be recycled is spotted, the customer will likely be notified to help keep the costs down.

“We just can’t keep throwing this money out the door,” he said of paying fines for contaminated loads.

Eventually, the cost will be passed to consumers, he added.

Ketchum said the same is true for Waste Management, which already handles 37 percent of the trash and recycling in Olmsted County and could take on another 41 percent when the company acquires Advanced Disposal next year.

She said the company has been working to find ways to reduce costs related to sorting recycling at its facilities, but it might not be enough in the long run.

“It may mean higher costs for getting recycling services,” she said.

Rochester resident Karl Stathakis said he’d be willing to pay more to keep recyclable materials out of the waste stream, but he also hopes the increased cost to garbage haulers motivates systemwide changes.

“The individual consumer, we can do a lot, but we can only do so much,” he said.

He suggested market changes could mirror the aftermath of 2016 oil crash 2016. As oil prices dropped, smaller producers were forced out of business as bigger companies were forced to evolve and develop improved practices.

“If we play our cards right, we as a community, state, country can replicate that affect here for recycling,” he said.


Hill said some domestic market shifts are already being seen, noting mills for recyclable materials are reopening in Utah, Maine and Wisconsin.

“Whenever there is a problem, hopefully there are opportunities,” he said.

Ketchum said she’s also seeing an increase in domestic markets, with the potential of 17 mills to process recycled paper expected to open in the next year.

While overstock of recycling exists today, she also noted that paper recycling is on the decline in the overall waste stream. Where it used to account for 80 percent of recycling, it is now 50 percent.

Still, she said the industry seems to be heading in a direction that will account for shifting consumer practices and provide opportunities to maintain recycling practices in communities where it is a priority.

“We see a rosy picture for 2020,” she said.
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I never throw those plastic bags in the recycling tub. they are separated and put in the recycling bins the stores provide. in doubt I throw it in the garbage. I really don't see how this is that hard. :doah:
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It's not. It's called laziness. Just like the punksters next door who dump their grass and leaves in the garbage bin (A big no-no here) and also puts garbage overflow in their recycle bin. Blow their leaves into the street and push their snow out there, too. I'm gonna make sure that sh** comes to a halt REAL soon.
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It's not. It's called laziness. Just like the punksters next door who dump their grass and leaves in the garbage bin (A big no-no here) and also puts garbage overflow in their recycle bin. Blow their leaves into the street and push their snow out there, too. I'm gonna make sure that sh** comes to a halt REAL soon.
man i'm sure glad I don't live next to you!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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It's not. It's called laziness. Just like the punksters next door who dump their grass and leaves in the garbage bin (A big no-no here) and also puts garbage overflow in their recycle bin. Blow their leaves into the street and push their snow out there, too. I'm gonna make sure that sh** comes to a halt REAL soon.
man i'm sure glad I don't live next to you!!!!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

If ya don't break the law, you'll have no problem! This is the same goof that drives around with open bottle with his buddies, blocks the sidewalk with their cars,  parks facing the wrong way, takes up all the on-street parking, drives while texting....he has no respect for anything. That kinda sh** just burns me up! I spent my career dealing with jerks like him!!!!!!!!!!

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Our recycling trailer gets filled with barbed wire, metal roofing, TV's you name it.  Anything dumbazzes can squeeze in it.  A real pain to empty too.  Supposed to only be metal cans in one bin aluminum cans in another and glass bottles in another bin.

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What I hate seeing are the donation boxes for Vet's and Goodwill filled with crap people don't want....c'mon people, they don't want that crap either!   :angry:

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What I hate seeing are the donation boxes for Vet's and Goodwill filled with crap people don't want....c'mon people, they don't want that crap either!   :angry:
vets I can see. goodwill is a scam. I quit donating to them after I seen what that CEO makes.

I don't see many places for Vet donations...………….but how do we know what they want or don't want????????? :scratch: :scratch:
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You probably don't like goodwill for not being  union...

Salvation Army is my favorite.   But Goodwill is second.  Beats throwing stuff in the garbage. 

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What I hate seeing are the donation boxes for Vet's and Goodwill filled with crap people don't want....c'mon people, they don't want that crap either!   :angry:
vets I can see. goodwill is a scam. I quit donating to them after I seen what that CEO makes.

I don't see many places for Vet donations...………….but how do we know what they want or don't want????????? :scratch: :scratch:

I dunno...if you don't want it, or it doesn't work, they probably don't either.....

Can't give stuff to the SA here, becuz they were forced them shut down their store where they sold it after being forced out of their lease. I still take my stuff to the Goodwill store, since there's a lot of folks in there getting things. You're directly helping them...and I've bought stuff in there the last year, too.
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Quite a bit of stuff from Mom's went to the SA there, no Goodwill in Austin that I know of. There's 5-6 bins(USAgain(?)) out in the parking lot of the Hy Vee mall that accepts clothes & shoes, some went to them as well. The youngest niece is takin a few things at a time to a place in Rochester called Savers too. We tried to NOT take any of these places any junk, some of what we had was stiill in the box & like new. Like Del said there's no reason throw it in the garbage & paying to have it hauled away if you think somebody can use it.
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Savers is a good place, too. I like it. Picked up some nice glassware there to complete a set. A lot of the stuff comes from things like yer situation (and mine) Gunner. Lot of my Mom's kitchen stuff ended up there. Need things like flower vases or crystal? That's the place to go!
Glenn wouldn't like it though, they got dinged for keeping too much of the money they made the other year....
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Savers is a good place, too. I like it. Picked up some nice glassware there to complete a set. A lot of the stuff comes from things like yer situation (and mine) Gunner. Lot of my Mom's kitchen stuff ended up there. Need things like flower vases or crystal? That's the place to go!
Glenn wouldn't like it though, they got dinged for keeping too much of the money they made the other year....
  :scratch: Glenn who?  :rotflmao: Yeah, probably can just put it on the list with the cottage cheese. ;) :rolleyes: :laugh:
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And I bet they ain't union, either.  :rotflmao: :bonk:

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I don't give anything to Goodwill.  What they give back to charity is pathetic.  Salvation Army is the way to go and the Veterans.  We give to both.  Just donated my van to the Veterans.  good luck.