Dispersing protest crowds

[Lee Borgersen]

How to disburse da protester crowds!

  .....
So, how do da authorities disburse all dem unruly protesters. Seems dat fighting violence wit violence is not an option at dis time! Let's hear any suggestions ya might have. One ting I remember dat worked during and Israelis conflict against da Palestinian protesters as day were trow-n rocks and rioting against da Jews. Da Jewish military used giant water cannons filled wit some kind of horrible smelling concoction. Da stink was so horrific dat da protesters fled da area as day were drenched wit dis stuff! 

Anyone else have some thoughts???

[LPS]

Yup!  But no comment..

[Lee Borgersen]

Yup!  But no comment..

Dat's Ok Bro!... .

I tink I kin read yer mind bro and I would probably agree wit cha!

[Boar]

they gota do something, it spilling into residental neighborhoods now,

[dutchboy]

No, they don't have to do anything. They can let the city burn to the ground. Let the Fortune 500 companies pack up and leave. Hand out free money to the oppressed to re-build. At which point we can claim the title of "The nations #1 welfare state."

Seriously, why would anybody care what the taxpayers think anyway? Would we maybe make Walz uncomfortable?

Mistake #1 was the cop killing somebody.
Mistake #2 not closing all freeways in & out of Minnesota.
Mistake #3 not cracking heads when the riots started.
Mistake #4 thinking you can put the cork back in the bottle now.
Mistake #5 thinking they can stop Minneapolis from burning tonight.

[roony]

I lived in the Cedar/Riverside area in 1980. My favorite place to shoot pool back then was destroyed. (Hexagon Bar, est in 1934) This is very unreal and very sad.

[Auggie]

Yup!  But no comment..

I’d happily donate to that cause LPS...be cheaper than what I’ll pay out in taxes to rebuild that area.

[Auggie]

I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
 
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna 

[Lee Borgersen]

I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
 
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna 

If you want ta protect yer business just paint Black Owner on da store front. Dat's what da latest defense is according ta da news I watched it dis mornin!

                              Or

Just paint MNO member & let us know how dat works out fur ya! 

[LPS]

Did you see the black guy and his family that owned a cafe or bar type place?  Guys were breaking in whilst they were there and took everything as they watched.  Sad as heck!  What is wrong with these people?  They have arrested a lot of people and most of them are not even from here.  Oh ya our taxes will pay for it.  Our insurance rates will climb to pay for the damage they incur too.  And they burned down the under construction apt building that was being built for them.....    Give em cheap tents to live in now.  Maybe they will move to Chicago. 

[LPS]

This was found painted on the buildings that were ruined:  ACAB.  All Cops are Bastards was written on the buildings that were eventually burned looted etc.  SO they were targeted by the extremists or whoever is a want to be...

[dutchboy]

Cops won last night. By shutting down the freeways and splitting the crowds they were able to keep things disorganized. Tonight we will see if the tactic works again.

Special thanks to all the guardsman and cops for getting out front and keeping us safe.   

[glenn57]

I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………

I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….

[dutchboy]

I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………

I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….

What if you are a UPS driver and you have the scum climbing in the back of your trailer? Feeling safe? At the point they close freeways it's no longer about individual rights or needs. It's about ending the riots & restoring order.

[glenn57]

I don't think they should be using rubber bullets...…….. just saying...….if your out past curfew...………

I get what dutchboy is saying about closing the major roads into the city, BUT what if i'm a truck driver...…….

What if you are a UPS driver and you have the scum climbing in the back of your trailer? Feeling safe? At the point they close freeways it's no longer about individual rights or needs. It's about ending the riots & restoring order.

I hear ya and understand completely...…...i'd be a bit pissed if I couldn't do my job though.

I understand now better the WHY they shut them down. to bad it has to get to this...……...I mean what does this type of violence solve!!!! last nite on the#4 we where literally watching some people lighting stuff and throwing it at a building to try and start it on fire. I hope they catch these jerkoffs and they get lengthy prision sentences.

[Lee Borgersen]

I’m pretty pissed off. Maybe I should go burn my shop down. Then the barn. And maybe if that’s not enough I can start up the road at my neighbors.
 
Wait a minute, common sense says that I don’t destroy my business and where I live.
Makes me wanna 

If you want ta protect yer business just paint Black Owner on da store front. Dat's what da latest defense is according ta da news I watched it dis mornin!

                              Or

Just paint MNO member & let us know how dat works out fur ya! 

Essays

'I've Had to Paint 'Black Owned Business' on My Minneapolis Bar During the Riots'
By Tony Zaccardi On 5/29/20 at 12:24 PM EDT


I acquired Palmer's Bar a couple of years ago. I just celebrated my two-year anniversary as owner, but we've been closed since March because of the COVID-19 pandemic. I woke up and had a good cry that morning. The bar is still shut down, it's a very weird time.
And then these riots started a few nights ago, it's heartbreaking. George Floyd was a bouncer at a bar not far from here. I didn't know him, but I know people that did know him and worked with him over the years. Everyone's hurting.

We all saw that video and had the same reaction. It was heartbreaking.

But now with the riots and the looting—though I don't often discuss race or get political—I felt I had to write a "Black Owned Business" sign on Palmer's Bar.

I'm not trying to capitalize on being black, but if anything works, why not give it a try?

[dutchboy]

See, now you are assuming these thugs can read.

[Auggie]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

[dutchboy]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

Seriously?

How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?

I

[Auggie]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

Seriously?


How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?

Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.

But Seriously,

I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.

[LPS]

I don't know but I do wonder if he actually did this to incite more violence. 

[Leech~~]

There are 1,000's of Black on Black gang deaths across this country every year with kids and grandma's dying in the crossfire, and not one Target has been looted or burnt down.  Where's Mr. Sharpton then? 

The Black community needs to start accepting there is a larger problem there then with a few bad cops. 

[Dotch]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

Seriously?


How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?

Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.

But Seriously,

I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.

I talked to my brother who lives N of the TC Saturday nite to make sure he was safe along with his niece who lives not far from the 35W bridge. He said the same thing about the disconnect Auggie & he's lived in the TC area for over 50 years after leaving the farm. Last I checked it was illegal for pedestrians and bicylists to be on interstate highways in the first place. Even we rocks and cows know better than to drive our tractors on them. So looks like we've devolved into selectively picking and choosing what laws are enforced depending on who's breaking them. Swell. 

[delcecchi]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

Seriously?

How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?

I

Since there were no barriers he went through or around, and he hit the horn and the brakes when he saw the crowd and then stopped in the middle of the mob at considerable personal risk,   my opinion, pending further evidence, is that he was driving along the freeway and suddenly what should appear but a whole mob of people.    At the minimum we need a timeline of what the state patrol did and when did they do it with respect to "closing" the highway?   

Got a lot of lynch mob mentality around these days.

[Steve-o]

Yeah, my guess is he was just looking to get thru the mob without sustaining any vandalism to his truck.

In hindsight, he ought to have stopped well short of the mob and/or turned around and/or called 911 for a police escort.

If he would have wanted to injure or kill people, he would swerved with intent as the mob scattered.

As it was, it looks as if there was an individual (0:18 into the video) who fell or laid in the path of the truck and forced him to stop.



Update:  MINNESOTA DPS COMMISSIONER JOHN HARRINGTON: SEMI-TRUCK DRIVER 'PANICKED' AS HE APPROACHED PROTESTERS

[Lee Borgersen]

                       
Semi-truck nearly plows???? into Minneapolis protesters on highway bridge.


Reporting Video .....
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Minneapolis+truck+protesters&&view=detail&mid=87B70BA4355FD6C2609287B70BA4355FD6C26092&&FORM=VDRVRV

[glenn57]

  i jusyt hope that at 10 pm tonight i can sit down and watch a freakin normal newscast. ya know like weather, sports, maybe a little other news......hell even a blurb or 2 of da corona!!!!!!

let'em burn up the city!!!!!! its only gonna effect them later.......i dont see the target or alot of other businesses rebuild.......... there gonna say here it is have at it, where ya gonna get your stuff now. and the only real people that are gonna be hurt by this is the elderly!!!!!

[Auggie]

i jusyt hope that at 10 pm tonight i can sit down and watch a freakin normal newscast. ya know like weather, sports, maybe a little other news......hell even a blurb or 2 of da corona!!!!!!

let'em burn up the city!!!!!! its only gonna effect them later.......i dont see the target or alot of other businesses rebuild.......... there gonna say here it is have at it, where ya gonna get your stuff now. and the only real people that are gonna be hurt by this is the elderly!!!!!

True and false Glenn.
It’s going to impact greater Mn as well. Our tax dollars from the land of rocks and cows has been paying for a lot of things in the metro for years. Including roads, stadiums and the like. While our road projects and others are delayed for decades at times.
You may be correct about the businesses not returning to the area. Look at LA after the riots 30 years later. But it will not only impact the elderly. It will impact us all. The Government handouts will continue to support the area for years to come.

And I agree, it would be nice to see a normal news cast. I’ve about given up watching. It just makes me more angry. But guess what, I haven’t started burning and looting yet Think I’m gonna go enjoy a beer Or 2, or let’s be honest, 6 with a couple buddies at our local rocks and cows hangout tonight for the first time in months!! Forget about this $h*t for a few hours.

[LPS]

Ok I am with you Auggie.  I like to stay up on the news and don't watch Faux or CNN.  BUT lately I have been turning it off early instead of watching all of it.  We turn on something fun.  Need to just get away from it at times.  AND there is a difference between Protestors and Rioters.  We have to remember that there were people of all colors there that wouldn't hurt a fly and were just as scared and appalled at the destruction as we are.  And there were those that showed up to completely start the riot and destroy things.  They do have a system too and know which places to target and how to enrage and manipulate the "thug" in people.   And there were others that tasted blood and joined right in. 

[dutchboy]

Looting a Habitat for Humanity house??? Brilliant......as brilliant as protesting on a freeway and not expecting to get run over by a semi...sounds like the driver of said semi never went around any closed barricades. Why is he still in custody?

Seriously?


How fast would you approach a mass of people on the roadway?
Would it have occurred to you to stop the truck and let them pass?
Are you sure it wasn't a act of violence and he chickened out at the last second?

Sarcasm my friend. Hard to be anything but at this point.

But Seriously,

I wouldn’t protest in the middle of an open freeway. But maybe that’s because I would be at work. I have a hard time being sympathetic to any of these people at this point. The disconnect between rural and urban has never been greater.

If I missed the sarcasm i'm sorry.

However let me correct a thing or two on your response.

1) It wasn't a open freeway. It was closed.
2) It was Sunday and maybe only you would be at work. Many others would have the day off.

I will agree the disconnect is huge. For many reasons. One of the reasons is people assume just because a person protests they are scum, lack a job, are on welfare, are looking to loot and vandalize.

Facts are that was a peaceful demonstration as guaranteed under the constitution. They were on the freeway because thats where the Law Enforcement wanted them. When you are on the 35 bridge there is nowhere to go. You are "controlled " from exit to exit. To lump them into the same class of people as the looters would be like saying all farmers are uneducated and only survive under government farming programs.

As far as the semi goes, it was speculated he was on the freeway system when it was closed down. Last I heard they couldn't find footage of him going around a barricade or anything. I will say he was going far to fast. I will say he was likely scared for his life. Being Russian i'm guessing he barely speaks English and can hardly drive a truck. (stereotyping him I know, but I've interacted with enough Russian truck drivers to have a pretty good guess) Him being arrested does two things.

1) gives the cops time to figure out what happened.
2) kept him out of the protesters hands who would no doubt beat him to a pulp.

Sorry if I offended some here but i've read far to many bs theories on what should have been or could have been done. This is a bad deal with a guy getting murdered by the cops. No justifying that. However a lot of factors went into the looting and lawlessness we saw, not all of it preventable. I'm no buddy of Walz, fact is I don't like him but I think over-all he has done a pretty good job with this. As well as we can expect I suppose.