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Offline Bufflehead

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I have enjoyed my last deer hunt in this state

Mr Pawlenty and his Admin. passed the $1.00 charge on ALL!! deer hunters Lic. For the processing of donated deer for the Minnesota food shelf.

I refuse to pay to process deer meat for meth heads, pot smokers, drunks and women who refuse to practice birth control and continue to have fatherless children.

We have to work hard to pay for the land we own, the equipment needed to hunt the deer and the tons of time needed to successfully harvest a animal.

But! the dope addict across the hwy from me, can get out of bed at 3:00PM in a meth blurr and just walk across the hwy to the neighborhood church, where the food shelf is held and just pick his "FREE" processed, cut and wrapped venison and go back home to his/their drug house.

My family bought 10 firearms tags and 1 bow tage last year.

Thats close to $200.00 worth of deer Lic. money this state will NOT be getting. Along with all the monies spent on things needed to hunt big game here

"and" our land is now posted and NOBODY and I mean NOBODY will be taking any deer off any of our 170 Acers to help with the continued support of the FREE ride and the feeding of our neighboorhood drug pushers, users and irresponsible sex practices.

To our legislators...Thanks for asking the peoples/hunters state wide opinions before passing such a act.
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I understand your frustrations Bufflehead.  I can't give up whitetail hunting.  It is my favorite time of year.  It is also a family tradition that brings our hunting party together from all over the place.  It is upsetting that there are so many people that abuse the wellfare system.  There are those that truly need it.  Hopefully, the $1.00 fee will help some of those folks too.
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It won't stop me from hunting. I'm thinking that this dollar will do more good than bad. Plain and simple it is for food and some people are hungry. I am not supportive of the way the welfare system in this state is run but I feel way better giving someone food rather than a check every month. Its like the whinos and bums begging for money. I would never ever ever give them a cent but if there was truly someone out there that was hungry I would buy them a $0.99 cheeseburger form Wendy's anytime ;) or heck I would even give them a can of  ::spam:;

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I agree that the abusers of the welfare system erupt my temper (to put it nicely)  :taz: but Im not going to let a dollar and some meth heads and wine-os take my deer hunting away from me. 

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I agree with OJ and the FLY on this too, I'm not going to let anyhing get in the way of my favorite hobbie.

I refuse to let them win, so i'll just pay the $1 and keep on hunting.

I dont care to much for politics, as I am not a politician and I dont make the decisions, I choose to live in Minnesota because of me being an Outdoorsman and going through all of the changing seasons.

I'll still be in my deer stand this fall!
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Offline Realtree

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I understand your frustrations Bufflehead, as I'm sure everyone else does, but I cannot let a $1.00 fee on top of my deer tag deter me from enjoying one on my biggest passions-Deer Hunting.

I agree that there are many people out there who abuse the system, but I also know that there are alot of people out there who have just fallen on bad times, have injuries that will not allow them to work, or have been victims of downsizing and layoffs who need the system to "get them through" until they can get back on their feet.

Like someone said in a previous post, I would much rather give someone in need some food to put in their stomachs than money than can be spent foolishly on other non-necessity items including beer or drugs. Not everyone who utilizes the welfare and food shelf systems are drug users and alcoholics. If the system helps a few people who actually need and deserve it, I am glad to have been able to contribute to that.  ;)

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 Let me explain some more.

  The family that owns the property next to my father and mother, he told my father he would be up during the winter and bring my dad some corn to help out with feeding the deer.

 That was during firearms deer season, as my parents like to feed deer during the winter months. They are in their mid 70s and enjoy watching the deer to pass the long winter.

 Well, the guy never showed up all winter. My dad was wondering what happen to him. Well, they came up this weekend. He told us he had a major health problem over the winter. He was taking a shower one day and found he could not get out of the shower under his own power. He was rushed by air chopper to the Hosp. and was found to have a brain anurisim(sp?). He spent 28days in the Hosp. and has lasting effects for life. He is in his 50s

 What they arrived to when they got to their summer place this weekend, was the door kicked in. They were missing any and all Alchol products and a handgun he had hid. This is the third time they have been broke into. The drivway is gated and about a half mile long. My dad keeps a sharp eye on any activity near their road and their place. Next to them across a small hay field, lives this family of drug addicts. Last time, the 4X4 tracks leading to their summer place came right across this hay field from the dopers.

 This doper, along with about 20-30 of his friends...visit this food shelf EVERY two weeks. Infact, they have driven off many of the elderly from this food shelf. They are afraid to come there.

 From stolen ATV's to DWI's....they have done it.

 Now, they ask me to pay a $1.00 out of my deer Lic. to help people like these people.

 Why should I help people like this stay in our community?

 Why should I help people like this, help them spread their drugs to other young people in our/other communities?

 I will NOT! be party to any effort to feed this problem and help support the continued rurel crime problem.

 Next time you deer hunters find your hunting camp/cabin or summer home broke into...know this...you helped finance your own break in

 

 
« Last Edit: May 05/26/07, 07:20:23 PM by Bufflehead »
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 One other thing...a urine test requirement to obtain public assistance would curve this problem Big Time

 Do you need to pass a urine test at your place of employment to obtain a pay check?

 For many(most) that answer is ...YES

 If you can buy dope..you don't need public assistance with your habit

 This restriction would open up the $$$ for those who truly need it

 and! my family would(will) again enjoy the life long tradition of deer camp once again
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Quote Outdoor Realtree
 also know that there are alot of people out there who have just fallen on bad times, have injuries that will not allow them to work, or have been victims of downsizing and layoffs who need the system to "get them through" until they can get back on their feet.
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 Great thoughts and kind too

 The fact of the matter is...The Republican party has put a asset limit of $20,000 for a family of four

 That includes many, many items any working person could have obtaned(with NO lien)..more than one car, any ATV's, Snowmobiles, Boats, life insurance, land, live stock, trailers, cemitary plots Etc.

 They go by a value book... like a rusted out 1986 pickup sitting in the weeds could be valued at near $2000 dollars..even if it isn't driven or used and it is worth only a couple hundred dollars as junk.

 Many working folks who are effected by seasonal employment, lay off's, company shut downs, Etc.... would have to sell everything they worked for and be near skid road before being able to obtain help. Meanwhile, the looser who hasn't had a job for 5 years or more and drinks a case a beer a day and does who knows what for illegal drugs..has full coverage medical insurance, food debit card, food shelf, eye glass coverage, dental and everyday off of work to do as he or she pleases....including buying, using and selling illegal drugs.

 The system is broken!

 

 

 

   

 
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 ??? 1st QUESTION , is do you have a phone ? if your neighbors are so bad ? then why dont you make a tips call to the local offices of the social services? 2nd QUESTION , is why wood anyone object to a 2 dollar rise in our deer fees to help the elderly and down on their luck ? i dont know. 3rd QUESTION , is why ask a 3rd ? just deal with it! its here and do something to change what you dont like ! heck if i can afford all these things and do it on a firewood cutters salary then others should be able to do it also. as a woodcutter the work season is long but the pay periods are short and few!  whineing realy dont fix or cure a problem . only going to the source of the matter and confront it head on . besides give those that are worthless on their own given reasons or choice will hang them selfs when given enough rope and not have to bring it down on those who cant help themselves . just my opinion? woodchuck ::violin:;
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Wow Buffy, the meth heads just took away your deer hunting in minnesota for the rest of your life.
I bet they never knew they had that much power.

I am stronger than they are. they will not take away mine.

no matter where we go or what we do, there will always be this lower form of life. the parasites who feed off of the hard labor of others.
I work hard and I play harder. no one will take that away from me, no matter how you want to rationalize it.
bet ya five bucks (the cost of the five years I'm betting you) that you WILL be deer hunting in Minnesota within the next five years again  ;)
take a kid hunting and fishing!!

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I think you have some issues that go way deeper than just the $1 fee added to your deer tag and I don't care to get into political discussions on this site, it brings down the property value of MNO!

I hear what you are saying and understand your frustrations with your neighbors, however they do not represent the entire welfare system, and I think categorizing everyone who uses this system with your neighbors is both narrow minded and unfair. I hope and pray that you can find some resolution and peace with this Bufflehead. Please don't let this situation take away something in your life that you enjoy so much. Don't give them that power over you and your family, haven't they done enough already?!

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Let me give you one example of where a program like this helped.  It would be with my mother when we were younger.  Through a program like this we recieved a 1/2 a moose and it helped us through a long winter.  I was raised by a single mom not because of improper sex practices as you put it but as a result of an abusive relationship.  It annoys me when people like you start preaching how everyone using programs like this are meth abusing junkies.  There are some really good people out there that this program helps.  Buffle why don't you get you soap box and do something about it.  This is a democratic society where anyone can make a difference.  This society would be a lot better if everyone would start helping other people out more. 
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 ;D  ::dito your my kind of ppl there jon !! you say what you mean and mean what you say !! woodchuck  ::cheers::
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Thank you Jon for giving us a positive example of how the system has helped people who are doing something to better themselves in a bad situation. That is what I'm talkin' about!!  ::cheers::
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Offline Bufflehead

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 Boys, I'm not against the use of the system by any means, but only by those who stay above the laws in this country and at least try.

 Funny, Many on the net come election time will vote for those that support cutting programs for the needy...cutting taxes that fund such programs

 But when I point out the abuse and offer a plan that would eliminate many of the abusers(Urine Drug Test). You just choose to call me narrow minded and accuse me of standing on a soap box.

 but, then are willing to instead of spending your hard earned cash on the taxes (from EVERYBODY in the state) to support the programs..You instead are willing to spend hunter ONLY dollars to do the same. I support raising my Taxes to support the programs. then EVERYBODY in the state working a job contributes..not just hunters.

 This $1.00 on the Big Game Lic. should have been a choice by each individual hunter, decided at time of Lic. purchase. Not forced upon those who do not believe in how and who benefits from the program .

 I have stood along side some of these people who are the abusers, when I stop for a cold beer(Rarely do I visit a bar) at the local tavern.

 Most of these people have been on the system since my family moved here 20 years ago. Their same cars are parked in front of the tavern everyday. I work 7 days a week right now until Sept. and I couldn't afford to sit in the bar all day everyday..but they can

 I have listen to them brag about how much food they get from the food shelf at each visit. I have listen to them telling other drug and alcohol abusers...you should go there too and get a boat load of food. You got it comming, you deserve it..it's FREE. All the while they are pouring down $2.50 a can beer and smoking $4.00 + a pack cancer sticks.

 Our farm boaders the Churches land, where this food shelf is held. We watch them arive in beat up rusted out clunkers with outdated Lic. plates(probably no insurance as well). A half Doz or more of them poor out of the car. Then you can hear them laughing and bragging about the box after box of food they are carring out. Sometimes I have seen some of them sitting in the car drinking beer, while others go in and get the food.

 Also, the people helping out at the food shelf, say that this is the norm at most of the food shelfs across rural northern Minnesota. NOT! just here.

 I guess we will just agree to disagree

 
« Last Edit: May 05/27/07, 02:07:46 AM by Bufflehead »
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Welcome to reality there Bufflehead.... Did you just wake up from a 40 year nap?

Your stories and comments are ridicolous and have nothing to do with us outdoorsman and deer hunting. How do you know that some of these people in the bars do not also work hard all day, why are you so high and mighty over everyone around you?

Also, your almighty plan is brilliant! Lets all quit deer hunting because the welfare system is broke!!! Brilliant thinking there bud, dont you just wonder why your the only one who believes in your plan?

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Quote Pat

" How do you know that some of these people in the bars do not also work hard all day, "

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 Pat, this isn't Edina or any other part of the cities.

 Everybody knows everybody in small town Minnesota. You know who's in trouble with the law, and who isn't. You know who doesn't work and who does
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Quote Pat again
"Also, your almighty plan is brilliant! Lets all quit deer hunting"

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 Pat show me where I advised ANYBODY! to stop hunting deer!

 I NEVER said that anywhere

 I said require a "Urine Test" to obtain public assistance.

 Maybe you should read more carfully, instead of personally attacking me.

 Are you against a "Urine Test" to obtain public assistance?

 If so, maybe you smoke a little wacky weed yourself

 My father was asstant Chief of police in my home town. He raised me to do what I can to deter people who break the law from setting up shop/living in your own neighborhood.

 It's my choice and only my choice to not hunt deer because of my strong feelings on this matter.

 Our entire deer camp has agreed and all of us will not be hunting. Instead, we will spend our money on a couple of tons of corn and no trespassing signs. 170 acers will now be used to protect the area deer.  
« Last Edit: May 05/27/07, 12:07:33 PM by Bufflehead »
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Offline iceman

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Now Buffehead you are starting to sound like somebody from PETA ..J/K but you are..

if this helps a family or the elderly in need I'm all for it !

bring it on ..
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 :ROTFLMAO:  :ROTFLMAO:

No comment there Bufflehead!

If my dollar goes towards helping even one person in need, then i will gladly pay the extra fee.
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Everyone has a right to their opinion Buffle.  I respect you opinion and understand you feel strongly about it.  I hope, someday you are able to deer again in MN.
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I believe these deer that are given out at food shelves are illegally taken deer. Now I'm not sure about that but if I'm right, why not make the poacher pay for the processing. Not everyone who buys a license.

I'd rather butcher one of those deer than give another dollar to the goverment so they can figure out another way to waste it. By the time they figured out a way to spend it, it's allready gone after they take turns buying each other lunch anyhow. So they really don't need to come up with anything at all. ???
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I dont know why there is such a big deal about paying another dollar for a deer license heck you already pay 5 bucks for a trout stamp or a sturgen tag if this goes to those that are in need then I am for it. heck I have had to use the foodselves myself when I was done on my luck So in closing COME ON PEOPLE there is alot more to complain about than a little old dollar add on to the price to a deer tag and also remember you might be there one day..... thats my 2 cents worth

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Thanks OJ

 If some of you would realize, most of the Meth being made in Minnesota, Is produced in rural Minnesota.

 Meth is a drug that is on a Pace of production that is matched by NO other drug world wide.

 Near 100% of those producing it are on the wel-fair system..using it for whatever they can get for FREE

 I know some of you are saying..COME ON, IT'S ONLY A $1.00

 It's just against everything I was taught..if criminals are benefiting from my $1.00..I'm not giving it too them.

 Do I want to help good people down on their luck?

 Dam right I do

 Do I want to help our elderly who struggle to make ends meet?

 Dam right again

 I'm not the mean SOB you are thinking I am.

 I worked in several long term care facilities as a NAR Nurse. I care VERY much for the elderly


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 Here's more proof! of the rural problem I have such strong feelings against.

Read and learn

Law enforcement officials say methamphetamine is now the drug of choice in rural Minnesota. It's easy to get and it's easy to make. Cops are trained to deal with drugs and drug users, but meth presents new challenges. Meth users are aggressive and can turn violent. People use caustic chemicals to make the drug, and that makes meth labs a health hazard. Minnesota cops are learning how to deal with the changes meth has made to their jobs.


Douglas County, Minn. ? It's a Saturday night and Minnesota State Patrol Trooper Rich Homan is looking for a reckless driver who's been cutting people off on Interstate 94. He finds him in the small central Minnesota town of Brandon. This time it's a familiar traffic stop for Homan. The drug of choice in this case is alcohol. Homan spends more than an hour testing the driver, having his car towed, and then driving him to a nearby town so he can get a ride home.

  
 
  Trooper Homan  
 
Dealing with drunken drivers, speeding drivers or even people who don't buckle up is a big part of Homan's job. But he's always digging a little deeper. Trooper Homan knows almost any traffic stop could turn into a search for drugs.

In recent years, Homan has seen more and more drugs in rural Minnesota. And most often what he finds is meth.

"It's all over out here. Meth is the drug of choice. It's so easily available, they're popping up these meth labs all over. They're portable, you can pop them up real quick, cook up meth and they're gone in no time," Homan said.

Officials estimate 20 percent of the meth used in Minnesota is made in the state. Most of that is made in rural locations, where there are fewer nosey neighbors who might smell the solvents and chemicals involved.

The recipes for meth vary, but they all start with over-the-counter cold medicine. The pills are crushed then mixed with various kinds of acids or solvents. The process is called "cooking."

  
 
  Meth making ingredients  
 
For Trooper Homan, the increase in meth means more than just extra work. Meth makes his job more dangerous. Meth affects people differently than other drugs. Cops say meth just makes people crazy.

Homan says he can tell when someone has been using meth. They're on edge. They look like they haven't slept for days. Often they have scratches on their face and arms. The drug affects the nervous system, so some meth users think they've got bugs under their skin. They scratch themselves until they're covered with open sores.

If Homan suspects someone is on meth, he uses a calm voice, and makes no quick movements. He says it's tough to know what will set off a meth user.

"People on meth are very paranoid. They think everybody is watching them, everybody is after them. You have to be careful with those people, because you don't know what they are going to do," Homan said. "Especially with someone that's been on a meth binge for four or five days without any sleep, it could be a dangerous situation."

It's a situation some Minnesota cops have faced. Sgt. Todd Hoffman is one of them. Hoffman works in Wright County with the sheriff department's drug task force. In 2001, he and another drug officer were investigating a meth case in Eden Valley, Minnesota. A man was making some suspicious purchases, like solvents and large amounts of cold medicine. Local officials thought he might be cooking meth.

  
 
  Sgt. Todd Hoffman  
 
Hoffman went to the man's house to question him. The man fled into his house. The officers followed him, but by the time they got to the kitchen, the suspect had grabbed a loaded .357 Magnum handgun.

"He grabbed at the gun and turned to shoot, but luckily I got my hand around the hammer of the gun and we fell to the floor. He was trying to squeeze back the trigger, but it wouldn't go back because my hand was covering it," Hoffman said.

Hoffman, his partner and the suspect wrestled on the floor for several minutes. Hoffman was losing his grip on the gun, which was pointed directly at his chest. He did the only thing he could to end the tussle.

"I bit through his elbow and he let go of the gun. We cuffed him up, got a search warrant for the house. And sure enough, there was an active meth lab in a hidden room in the basement. That's what he wasn't trying to protect," Hoffman said.

Once an arrest is made, there's a new problem. The recipe for meth is a list of toxic substances. A meth cook creates a hazardous cloud of chemicals that can cause serious health problems.

  
 
  Suited up  
 
In 1999, Hoffman was called to a fish house on a Wright County lake. Nearby anglers could smell a strong chemical odor coming from the fish house, and suspected a meth cook. When Hoffman arrived, he found a Thermos bottle on the frozen lake. The bottle was full of anhydrous ammonia, one of the critical compounds for making meth. When Hoffman picked up the bottle, it released a cloud of gas.

"When the fumes hit my face, my skin immediately began to burn. My throat closed, I wasn't able to breath for five or 10 seconds," Hoffman recalled. "I put my hand on my face, and as I pulled my hands away my gloves were covered with liquid. Basically I thought my face was dissolving."

Hoffman was rushed to the emergency room. He wasn't badly injured, but he's not sure how or if that exposure will affect him later in life.

The incident taught Hoffman a lesson he shares with other police officers when he gets the chance.

"Don't handle any of the chemicals that you find, or glassware or items from the meth lab. If you're not trained in -- and you're not certified by OSHA in -- dismantling them, stay away from them, because you're going to be injured," Hoffman said.

That's a message the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension are trying to get across too.

  
 
  Cleaning up  
 
The DEA and the BCA trains police officers from across the state on how to deal with the dangers of meth. The DEA's John Cotner says for too long, police officers have been sent into meth labs without the proper training.

"We're finding as we go out do training, we're seeing people who say, 'Hey, I've seen this before, I remember a couple of years ago I saw something that looked like that.' They were in a meth lab and didn't even know it," Cotner said.

Cotner says they teach police to watch for the ingredients and equipment needed to make meth.

Alarms should go off for an officer if they see excessive amounts of chemicals like brake cleaner or drain cleaner, phosphorous from matches, alkaline batteries, coffee filters and empty natural gas tanks.

That's information Deputy Tom Meiers with the Pine County Sheriff's Department wishes he had long ago.

"One time I walked in and there was quite a few lye bottles on the counter. And I didn't think nothing of it, they're cleaning their drains," Meiers recalled. "Nobody's going through that much lye unless they're cooking (meth), so I placed myself in jeopardy, and I didn't know it."

Teaching officers to spot signs of meth is simple compared to the other goal of this training -- to ignore one of their deepest instincts.

  
 
  Paul Stevens  
 
The BCA's Paul Stevens says in the case of meth labs, police and other first responders shouldn't do what they normally do, and rush into an uncertain situation.

"We have too many officers across the country who are getting very sick from going into too many meth labs and not taking the appropriate safety measures," Stevens said. "Because firemen and policemen and first responders have always in the past rushed in to do the right thing. This is one of those times that we have to rethink our actions, or there can be very serious consequences for themselves and their families."

Law enforcement officials say that's a hard line to take, but a necessary one in the battle against meth. They say if there's any hope of fighting the drug, Minnesota police officers can't become victims of meth themselves.

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 Not on my $1.00..it's that simple

 Require a drug test to obtain public assistance and I would welcome $5 or even $10.00 added on to my Lic.

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"COME ON PEOPLE there is alot more to complain about than a little old dollar add on to the price to a deer tag"

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 People still are not getting the point of this thread..it's NOT the money!!! It's who is benefiting from it

 Add together the 500,000 deer hunters and it's $500,000...half a million dollars to help feed those involved in rural drug production(cities users of those drugs..many are on the system).

 Too bad the good folks who truly need the help have compete for those same dollars and food with common criminals

 

 

 
« Last Edit: May 05/28/07, 10:56:26 AM by Bufflehead »
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Offline jigglestick

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the point you are attempting to make here buffy, is that you are against meth/drug/system abusers from benefiting from your money.
hello, your tax dollars have been benefiting them for as long as you have been paying taxes and long before then and long after you die.

to protest this dollar increase on our deer licenses by boycotting deer season is as ineffective an effort as I could imagine.
you might just as well go on a hunger strike too.
first off, like me, it would be a couple weeks before they even noticed ;D

to be effective in a stand against a cause, you need to have the backing and understanding of the masses.
you do not.
you need to have media exposure.
you do not.
you need to be hurting those you feel are benefiting from this dollar increase.
you are not.
the good thing of this is that you are not hurting the people who need the help by doing this either.

you think the state of Minnesota is going to miss your license fees?
they will not.
you think they will send you a "dear bufflehead please come back" letter?
they will not.
do you think you you will miss deer season?
you will.

maybe you would have better luck turning in these offenders every time you see them doing something they should not be?
they wouldn't be making very much crackaine in the Itasca Hilton now would they?

I can understand sacrifice as long as there is some sort of gain.
I understand doing something out of principle, but this is simply cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

you are definitely in the minority on this line of thinking.
not because any of us condone this sort of behavior, but because this is defiantly an off base approach to a protest.
you are absolutely welcome to protest any way you like as long as it does not affect me or my hunting.
you are absolutely welcome to your thoughts and opinions. I respect that, but the simple fact that you put your post up here says you are asking for thoughts on your oppinion.
well you have gotten that, and we are still no closer to the real answer. there may not be one.

if the majority had been against the passing of this dollar increase, it would not have passed.
the fact remains that the majority nowdays are a bleeding heart mentality and there is no denying it.
you yourself have stood up in this very forum and spoke your peace about programs to help the needy.
well guess what? they cant have those programs in place and discriminate against the users too.
it just will not work.


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Offline guythathunts

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I think I can Help!!!!!!!! Here it is: "THE CURE ALL!"

You can go to the food shelf and get a can of soup yelling "I PAID FOR THIS WHEN I PAID FOR MY DEER TAG!" Pepple will think you are crazy (you should fit right in with your meth buddies) and chances are you were going to buy a can of soup that year anyways. You can think of the MASSIVE $1 fee as a government soup prepayment program! In the off chance of you not eating soup at a minimum of 1x/year, you could give your prepaid can of delicious "deer fee soup" to an old guy that likes soup. If you don't know and old guy that likes soup... your not thinking old enough. Now, if it gets to be too much to find a soup loving old guy, I'll buy the can of soup from you for $2! PROFIT!!! If they don't have soup (FYI: they will have soup) I also will buy tuna, rice, apples (red only), carrots, or dried bananas (I prefer Dole if they have it, but any brand of dried bananas will work). I am willing to dive some distance to pick it up.
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PS. I would FREEKING LOVE if you actually did this... I would laugh so hard I would most likely pee a little! I WILL do this. This is not a joke! (well... this argument is, but I will buy your soup if it means that I don't have to read about this again!) Oh and one more thing... I LIKE TOMATO!!!
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Well said Jigglestick, you bring up some very good points!!

Bufflehead, I don't think anyone that has read or responded to your posts here does not agree with you that there are those who take advantage of the systems that have been put in place to help "those in need". And I'm very confident that you personally would be one of the first people to step up and help someone that was in need of assistance. I just hate to see you give up your hunting because of a few people that are "abusers of the system", and I am pretty confident that you giving up hunting is not going to have any positive impact on the issue that you desire. I do respect and admire your passion for this issue though, and I do hear what you are saying.

Jigglestick brought up some great points, and I would encourage everyone to make an effort to point out anyone that they feel may be abusing these systems to the proper authorities so that maybe something can be done about this obvious kink in the system. Then, hopefully more of the deserving people of these programs would then be able to be helped in a timely manner.

I am a Courier (delivery driver) with FedEx Express and my job requires me to take a Drug/Urine test annually as well as being eligible for a "random draw" drug/urine test at anytime due to the fact that I still carry my Class A license from when I drove tractor-trailer over the road for North American Van Lines. I believe that this would be a great addition to any welfare/care program as well as any workmans comp or unempoyment program in which someone is receiving subsidies or any kind of financial assistance. How can someone hope to obtain a new job or allow their body to heal if they are injesting drugs or alcohol into their system. Add it to the mandates for these programs, fine with me...in fact I would encourage it. We can also make a difference by writing our legislators about these issues as well as our local representatives in our areas and at the voting booths. It will take a large showing of support from everyone to make a difference in any of these issues though.  ;)

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I guess I have nothing more to say here......


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 "if the majority had been against the passing of this dollar increase, it would not have passed."
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Hmmmm, How many hunters on this site had a vote in this Lic. price increase?

 Who contacted you?

 How where you able to voice in your opinion?

 Show me the statistics on the vote by big game hunters that passed this

 Sound off!
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