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Offline Lee Borgersen

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Although conflicts evident at Mille Lacs Fisheries meeting, discussion with tribes productive.


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Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission Inland Fisheries Section Leader Joe Dan Rose speaks at a meeting of the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee as Mark Luehring, right, and Ben Michaels, left, also of GLIFWC, look on. (Zach Kayser | Forum News Service)ISLE, Minn. --  A four-hour meeting of the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee was one of the most tense in the group's eight-month history, with friction between members and Minnesota Department of Natural Resources staff.

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Although it was unclear if the desire was unanimous among the committee, several members said they wanted a guarantee from state government leaders that there would not be a repeat this year of the economically devastating early closure of the walleye season last August. Another issue of division between the committee members and the DNR centered on whether the committee should tackle more of the social and economic consequences of the Mille Lacs walleye crisis or remain focused on just the walleye population issue itself.

The soul-searching occurred Monday night at McQuoids's Inn in Isle, the same place the committee gathered for its inaugural meeting in October.

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The DNR has said repeatedly that their data indicates a drastic decline in the vitality of the walleye population, with a lack of walleye of spawning age. However, Tina Chapman of Chapman's Mille Lacs Resort & Guide Service questioned that premise.

"If the lake is in crisis, that's one thing," Chapman said. "But from everything we've seen, the lake isn't in crisis."

DNR Fisheries Chief Don Pereira took issue with Chapman's assertion.

"We have a disagreement about what we think the state of the fishery is," Pereira said. :taz:

Although it could be worthwhile to get other state agencies involved in the Mille Lacs issue generally, it would distract from the committee's activities if they were brought into meetings like committee members wanted, Pereira said.

"We don't want to dilute what this committee is charged to do," he said.

Bill Eno of Twin Pines Resort wanted DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr or Gov. Mark Dayton to make a guarantee that the state wouldn't close the lake even if state anglers surpassed the harvest limits negotiated with the American Indian tribes whose members fish on the lake.

If the committee focuses just on the walleye, then it's merely a "partial" tackling of the program that overlooks the social and economic consequences, Eno said.

Chapman also wanted a no-closure guarantee, and she and Eno said their businesses were suffering. DNR regulations mandate catch-and-release only for the lake.

"I am worried for tomorrow," :scratch: Chapman said of her business. "Our guide service is non-existent."

Dean Hanson of Agate Bay Resort said he was disheartened at the disagreement.

"I'm a little disappointed in the way (the meeting) has started so far," Hanson said.

DNR facilitator Katie Clower has run nearly every meeting of the committee so far.

However, in arguably the tensest moment during the entire meeting, Crow Wing County Commissioner Paul Koering suggested replacing her with a "chairman" elected from the committee members.

"At the last meeting, when I brought up a point about netting, it almost felt like you were shutting me down," he told Clower as the rest of the committee looked on. "And, tonight it almost felt like you were kind of (saying) 'We're not going to talk about that.' That's the feeling that I get." :banghead:

"I'll remind you that the commissioner called me--and I wouldn't say 'begged', but he asked me several times--and I was not going to be on (the committee). When I'm on (the committee), I'm going to speak, and say what I want to say. Nobody's going to shut me down. I'm an elected official, I can say what I want to say."

Clower immediately apologized. :sorry:

Jamie Edwards of the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe said he hoped for a "less divisive approach" for the committee moving forward.

"Being the only tribal representative (on the committee), it's tough," he said. "Tough crowd."

It took slightly less than an hour before the committee got down to the main agenda item: a discussion with biologists from the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission.

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After months of members criticizing the way local American Indians fish on Mille Lacs Lake and their alleged impact on the walleye population there, it was a breakthrough for the committee as it met face to face with biologists from Great Lakes Indian Commission, the body that represents American Indian fishing interests when the harvest limits are negotiated with the DNR.

Joe Dan Rose, Mark Luehring and Ben Michaels of the commission gave an explanation to fisheries advisory committee members of what the commission is and how it regulates fishing by tribal members.

While each tribe's individual DNR-style agency manages natural resources independently, the commission is a consortium between tribal governments that manages resources off-reservation in lands the tribes have gathering rights on, Rose said. The commission does not have the authority to dictate what the tribes themselves do.


A warden :police: and creel data team is present at all times during tribal fishing activity and every fish harvested is counted, Michaels said. Tribal counts are themselves sometimes subject to double-checks from observers sent by the DNR.

The committee's next meeting will take place next month. :doah:
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Offline Cody Gruchow

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I have been on this lake a couple times already this summer and plan on it again soon. The amount of fish we catch is enormous and they all range from 10-25 inches and they are fat healthy fish. Even the little ones are chunky. I'm talking a 5-6 hour trip on the lake can produce 50+ walleyes and talked to guys who say they are catching close to 100 a day when they go. You can be a complete novice walleye fisherman and not know a thing about this lake and catch walleyes anywhere on the lake. I will say the launches must have special rules because last time we left our spot at 9:45 and were off the lake at 10pm and the launch had not even moved. When we got boat on the trailer and taking our time and left the landing at 10:15pm and they still had not moved.

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Cody,did ya run into creel folks@the launch? Curious who'e monitoring.

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Nope no creel folks there at all and only once did they have the invasive species people at the landing. Haven't seen a dnr officer in truck or on a boat once yet. And the invasive species guys leave by 7pm to I think. I thought it was off the lake by 10pm no matter who it is unless your after Muskies then you can be out at night but can't have bait in the boat smaller then a 8 inch sucker. But I do know before they allowed live bait for everyone they were allowing it for the launches so maybe they have a different set of rules then the rest of us.

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Our weak suck dnr has pretty much shut down all of the business;s up there by not standing up to the natives and doing the right thing about whats has taken place on mille lacs,so I suspect they'll leave the launch folks alone for now,after all they can't keep anything this summer.

I just hope folks keep a lid on the excellent fishing when talking to creel folks,if folks come in all fired up about all the walleyes they caught and maybe imbilish a bit the creel folks take notes,then the dnr starts doing math and will start to tail spin about how many walleyes are being caught and dying,no proof just a guesstimate,next thing ya know the lake will be shut down once again,well except for the few with special rights.

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So it's the natives fault that the launches are staying out past the agreed time? Then complain about hooking mortality estimates in the next paragraph. Makes no sense if they really cared about the walleye they wouldn't be out At the peak feeding time (after dark)catching them thus increasing the hooking morality... From 9 to 9:30 bites were good but from 9:30 to 9:45 it got better. So I'm only guessing it would of gotten even better the later you stay out.

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A ride up 169 is a depressing event these days.  The Mom and Pop resorts that dotted the shore are dying out.  Cabins sit empty and abandoned.  We drove 169 on the Friday prior to the 4th of July.  Prime time, a beautiful day.  We saw exactly one boat between Onamia and Garrison.  Of course the casino was busy though.  What has happened up there is nothing short of a travesty.  Funny that there were no walleye population problems until the netting started up.   

But the casino's doing well...........

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Cody,in a "nut shell" its the natives fault for what they have done to mille lacs,cass leech,winni and that's just a few minn lakes,how many times do we have to repeat history about what gill netting does when our fish are spawning?

And this statement is total BS!

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A warden :police: and creel data team is present at all times during tribal fishing activity and every fish harvested is counted, Michaels said. Tribal counts are themselves sometimes subject to double-checks from observers sent by the DNR."

That was the plan in the beginning,we have live video showing the opposite from recent years,worse yet is the evidence we have from 2013/2014 late ice out,no nets= two great walleye year classes back to back most of which you are catching today.

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Spot on gopher,wish more folks would grasp this situation,few years back we had one senator onboard lobbing on behalf of us non native outdoors folks,we had him up hwy169 so he could see 1st hand what is happening all around the communities of mille lacs,then one day "silence" never herd another word from him or his camp,they shut him up and down,we thinkl with all the money the tribe pours into the dems coffer they are behind  this so the money still flows(millions ) annually.Damn casino's.


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I honestly believe any outdoorsman that sets foot in the casino, any of it's restaurants, or any of it's other entities is sticking a knife in the backs of the hard working non native American resort owners, bait shop owners, guides, gas stations, etc.  Not one penny will leave my possession to any tribal interests.  Not one. What really is exasperating, is the state went out of their way to say the non-tribal economy up there could survive on non-walleye fishing.  Yeah right.  Walleye fishing is king-always has been and always will    be, and here's a news flash-guys want to fish where they can eat some walleyes without buying them from Morey's.

What's the DNR going to tell us next?  That the resorts will make it through this if they welcome the scrapbooking clubs, and the Pokemon tournaments?  Give me a break.

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Well said gopher.  Ditto from me.  We all know what is happening.  The State knows too, they are just too coward to admit it.  Too many payoffs have already happened to get anyone to speak up.  It just boggles my mind that we don't have any state run casinos.....

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LPS~
State run casino?Guess what,when the supreme court voted in 1999 to allow the tribe/tribes to harvest under our 1837treaty they also piggy backed sole gaming rights to the tribe,this means if the state did open a casino we suspect the tribe would sue plus they would get 50% of he proceeds w/o one dime invested.Cantbury and racin aces is private,the merokan tribe paid the cantbury folks 30million to back off on slot machines from I remember a few years back.

We're still wondering what the tribe will do with the two major hotels they purchased in lower st paul? that deal has stayed quiet as of late.

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Ya that was in the news when they bought those hotels but I haven't heard much lately neither.  They are playing it quietly.

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lets nor forget, just recently the trible that owns treasure island bought 112 acres around the red wing area and now are trying to do something to add it to there trust. which from the article I read would exempt it from any zoning ordinances...........and there blaming it on the nuke plant and the unsafe storage of the spent rods!!!!
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And taxes! Dirty rats,give in just a little and they keep wanting more,why is it when our country defeats an enemy we end up paying the price for years and in the case 200 years?