Recent

Check Out Our Forum Tab!

Click On The "Forum" Tab Under The Logo For More Content!
If you are using your phone, click on the menu, then select forum. Make sure you refresh the page!

The views of the poster, may not be the views of the website of "Minnesota Outdoorsman" therefore we are not liable for what our members post, they are solely responsible for what they post. They agreed to a user agreement when signing up to MNO.

Author Topic: Question for Don Stenseth  (Read 3481 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Mayfly

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 5689
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • MNO
As many of you know Don is a wildlife photographer and he probably spends more time with the whitetail than many or all of us. He is with these animals year round so I figure maybe we can learn something from him.


My question is....Everyone always talks about a deers "6th sense". Some claim they know when it is hunting season and may change their habits a day before the season in anticipation. You being in the field all year long do you see this change in their habits? I understand that any added pressure will have a certain impact but anything that sticks out to you? How is it with a camera rather than a bow or firearm? Do you feel that you maybe get in some much more close encounters?

Thanks in advance!

 ::popcorn::

Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
I think it really differs from area to area. In some isolated spots the Deer may be quick to notice changes in their enviroment. In the less populated areas of the state deer may notice a car door slam or other sounds and smells that they are not familiar with and react accordingly. But in more populated areas like the metro area these deer grow up smelling your backyard barbque and hear your kids laughing and the sound of traffic and it is just their normal day to day life. I do not think that they change their pattern other than their need for a food and water source. The Rutting Bucks  however are a different story. The Buck that you watch all summer may be 3 miles down the road when the rut starts as he searches for does and may or may not come back. In the area that I do most of my photography I will see an average of 18 different bucks through the rut and for the most part I have seen very few of them through the summer. I know a guy that hunts about 4 miles north of me and he swears from the pictures he has seen that the Bucks that he see's early in the season I am seeing during the Rut as they move in search of Doe's. My best advise to anyone hunting is to hunt the mature Doe's and know where they travel and do your best not to spook them and eventually theirs a good chance that a Buck will be on their trail. I have watched a buck scent trail a doe that passed long befor him. If a buck comes in right behind a Doe his mind is more than likely on her and nothing else so as I said befor it is so important not to spook her away because he is sure to follow her. I believe that it is the doe that you have to wory about seeing you as you draw your bow. I am not sure if this helps or not  but these are just some of my observations.
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth

Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
A nice Buck comeing in to a hot Doe that I got a shot of as he mounted her. If  I would have spooked that Doe I can guarentee this guy would have been right on her tail as she left.
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth

Offline Mayfly

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 5689
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • MNO
Great picture Don!

Any big bucks around lately??

Offline Realtree

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 2921
  • Karma: +3/-0
  • MNO Member #128
    • The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club and Straight River Archery Club

That is an excellent explanation Don! It makes so much sense when you really stop and think about it. We are normally so worried about finding a hot trail with some scrapes and rubs to know a buck has been there, but come rut they may be down the road following a hot doe and your sitting in your stand watching an empty scrape all weekend. Thanks for that very helpful insight.  ;)
The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club-Board Member
Straight River Archery Club-Board Member
Youth Archery Instructor
Archery enthusiast
Deer hunter
Coyote eradicator
Bow-fishing freshman

Offline Realtree

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 2921
  • Karma: +3/-0
  • MNO Member #128
    • The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club and Straight River Archery Club
I have one for you Don, just out of curiousity.

When you are out in the field with your camera, do you use any calls  or rattles to get the deer moving around or do you just sit and watch whatever comes your way?

Thanks!
The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club-Board Member
Straight River Archery Club-Board Member
Youth Archery Instructor
Archery enthusiast
Deer hunter
Coyote eradicator
Bow-fishing freshman

Offline Mayfly

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 5689
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • MNO
Great picture Don!

Any big bucks around lately??


And thanks for the response. Makes for good reading.....

 ::popcorn::

Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
As a rule, I do not start seeing the bigger Bucks untill late October early November when they seem to move into the area. I have rattled with limited success but I always use scent during the Rut. I have used a lot of Tinks 69 in the past with some success but lately I began useing Whitcombs Buck urine during the Rut to try to put an animal in the setting that I want it.  It seems to work very well and does not seem to spook the Does and Fawns like some other products. The photo I posted a while back of the mature Bucks fighting both came into my Buck urine rag . Here is a young Buck from 7:30 this morning. I have seen him once befor but this is my first shot of him. He is a little 7 pointer.
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth

Offline Bud

  • Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 54
  • Karma: +0/-0
Great info guys, I appreciate all the help I can get.

Offline Realtree

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 2921
  • Karma: +3/-0
  • MNO Member #128
    • The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club and Straight River Archery Club
Great info guys, I appreciate all the help I can get.

We all do Bud! Any little trick or tip we can use that someone else had has success with is certainly an advantage in the field.

Thanks again for the great tips Don!   ;)
The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club-Board Member
Straight River Archery Club-Board Member
Youth Archery Instructor
Archery enthusiast
Deer hunter
Coyote eradicator
Bow-fishing freshman

Offline bemidjiman

  • Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 40
  • Karma: +0/-0
Great info guys, I appreciate all the help I can get.

I second that Bud ::rockon::

I read MNO all the time. I am basically here daily and really don't post much. By the time I am done reading I gotta go so there is never time to post.


I do want to add a question here.

To Don:

I have been hunting deer all my life and I usually see that the "rut" really starts about 0ct28th every year. That just seems like my magical date. Some people say the cold snaps it or this is an early year, the list goes on. I see it the same every year. What do you think?

I have so many questions so get ready ;D

And thanks alot. This is some of the best reading I have found on MNO yet. Its all good but i like this alot.

Thanks Don and oh yeh, I checked out your site and WOW thos are soem nice pictures!

 :rock:

Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
The area I am in I have seen it really kick in as early as Oct 25th and as late as Nov,10th. By really kick in I mean that the Bucks are really pushing the Doe's hard. But if I had to pick a magic date for my area, I would pick Nov. 4th. Thanks for the comment on my website. 
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth

Offline T.R. Michels

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 225
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Trinity Mountain Outdoors
As a ildlife researchere, who has researched whitetails for 10 years, I hope Don does not mind if I explain about buck a little further.

Let me say that the powers that be here - have asked me to post a few articles tips and techniques, to help you guys understand game biology and behaviro better, and hopefully help you become better hunters.

With that said here is an excerpt From my complete Whitetail Addict's Manual:


The Dispersal Phase
One of the things I have learned over the years is that I can?t rely on when and where I saw bucks during the different phases of the rut, to hunt them in later phases of the rut. I often hear hunters say that (during the hunting season) they can?t find the big bucks they saw while they were scouting from late August to mid-October. That?s because the bucks probably weren?t in the same area.

Once the bucks (that you may have seen in bachelor groups in late summer/early fall) shed their velvet, they start to become more aggressive, and they eventually won?t put up with each other. Many of them move to new core areas where they don?t come in contact with other bucks. Some of them may also move out of their summer home range, to go to their fall home range, which may be as little as a half mile away, to as far as several miles away. This breakup (dispersal), and fall home range shift, usually occurs within two to three weeks of when the older bucks begin to shed velvet. In the upper Midwest it occurs sometime between the first week of September and the middle of October.

     When this dispersal occurs you have to do go looking for the bucks. Since bucks usually start making new rubs and scrapes in the area they use in the fall, the best way to locate them is to look for fresh rubs and scrapes, in areas where they may not have occurred before. When you find rubs and scrapes you can setup where you can watch that area, to see which bucks are there. Once you find the buck you want, you can back track its rub route to locate its core area, where you can setup to take the buck. Information on how to do this is included in my Deer Addict?s Manual, Volume 2; Hunting Techniques, and my Scrape Hunter?s Manual.

     Another way to locate the bucks you couldn?t find during the hunting season is to glass feeding areas, and scout for field sign after the rut or the hunting season is over. If you have rain or snow in your area, get out the door when the rain or snow lets up, and back track buck trails until you find their core areas and bedding sites. Then you can setup to take the buck (if the season is still open).

Transient Deer
One reason fewer deer are seen during the hunting season is because many yearling deer, particularly bucks, become transients. During his studies in Nebraska Kurt Vercauteren found that yearling deer are often forced from the home range by their mothers and other dominant does. He also found that these displaced, transient deer traveled an average of 12 to 15 miles, although some traveled as much as 40 to 50 miles. This leads to fewer young buck sightings.

     However, Vercauteren found that most of the adult deer in the area reacted differently during the fall, they became sedentary and rarely left their home ranges. One buck trapped during the study was caught in the same trap a month later. Vercauteren did not see the buck for the next two years, until it was shot 200 yards from the original trapping location. Another deer, despite being pressured, stayed in the same forty-acre area during the hunting season. Other deer left the DeSoto National Wildlife Refuge, swam the Missouri River and crossed into Iowa during the hunting season. When the Iowa hunting season opened the deer swam back to Missouri. During the muzzleloading season eight deer used a different strategy to avoid hunters. They moved into a strip of posted land 60 yards wide by 100 yards long and stayed there until the season was over.

     In a Missouri study Brian Root found that, instead of traveling more during the hunting season, bucks traveled less. In this study bucks moved about five miles a day during the pre-season. But, once the firearms season began the bucks reduced their activity by 20 percent, traveling about four miles per day. In this same study Root found that bucks whose home ranges were partially inside a refuge shifted most of their activity to the refuge once the hunting season began. The only time they reportedly left the refuge was at night. This suggests that some bucks do become "nocturnal" during the hunting season. In a Minnesota study deer left their home ranges and moved from 2 to 3 miles in response to hunting pressure.

I hope the helops some of you.

God bless and good hunting,

T.R.
T.R. Michels
TRMichels@yahoo.com

Trinity Mountain Outdoors Hunting E-Magazine
Guide Service, & Hunting University / Guide School

Natural History E-Magazine & Tours

Outdoor Photography

www.TRMichels.com

Commit a ranodm act of kindness everyday, and give the credit to Yahweh-God

Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
Not a problem. Always interested in the observations of others.
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth

Offline T.R. Michels

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 225
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Trinity Mountain Outdoors
Thanks Don,

I didn't want to step on any toes.

Great photos on your website by the way, everyone should check them out!!!


God bless and good photo-ing,

T.R.
T.R. Michels
TRMichels@yahoo.com

Trinity Mountain Outdoors Hunting E-Magazine
Guide Service, & Hunting University / Guide School

Natural History E-Magazine & Tours

Outdoor Photography

www.TRMichels.com

Commit a ranodm act of kindness everyday, and give the credit to Yahweh-God

Offline Realtree

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 2921
  • Karma: +3/-0
  • MNO Member #128
    • The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club and Straight River Archery Club
Thank you T. R. and Don for the great and helpful info you have bothed shared in this thread.  happy2.gif

One of the mistakes I have made in past years (there have been many but I won't go into all of them right now :ROTFLMAO:) is getting out too early to start scouting where the bucks are and locating a spot based on the info at that time. I was worried about going back out too close to the start of my hunting season and spooking the big one so I didn't do much follow up on my earlier findings and ended up hunting the area where the bucks "had been" in their transitional/breakup/dispersal phase to their new bachelor pads.

I have witnessed the "transient" tendencies referenced regarding the younger bucks and yearlings during active hunting times in a certain area. The land i normally hunt is located in SW Waseca county. There is a large group that hunts about 100 acres directly north of our land during bow season, and the yearlings and younger bucks always migrate south onto our land immediately when this group hits the woods. We have a smaller party spread out over 40-50 acres and see many of them wandering around within our area the entire opening firearms weekend through the middle to end of December before they head back north onto the original 100 acre land to the north that they start out on before bow opener.

Lots of great and useful info here shared by both Don and T.R. !!! I hope it helps you to enhance your hunting habits and have a very successful hunt this year and for years to come !!!

 happy2.gif
The "20" Rifle & Pistol Club-Board Member
Straight River Archery Club-Board Member
Youth Archery Instructor
Archery enthusiast
Deer hunter
Coyote eradicator
Bow-fishing freshman

Offline Mayfly

  • Master Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 5689
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • MNO
Well Don, what have the local deer been up to?? Seen any significant changes lately that we should be aware of??

Thanks!


Offline Don Stenseth

  • Xtreme Outdoorsman
  • Posts: 379
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos
No real changes Tim , other than a few scrapes. Things never get to crazy in my area for a few more weeks and then it is like someone turns on a switch.
Don Stenseth's Wildlife Photos

www.sitekreator.com/donstenseth