remington 7400 30-06

[Cody Gruchow]

im having troubles dialing in this new gun. i have the exact same gun and i use 165 grain cor-locks in it and its a inch high at 100 right were i want it. now this new one i cant get it to strike the bullseye and it seems to be off a different way everytime, only by maybe a inch, but to me thats not ok. i sight in all my guns off a shooting sled so no recoil therefore no flinching. any tips on what the problem could be?

[dakids]

Locktite?  cheap rings?

[Cody Gruchow]

its down tight. when i took it in to bore-sight it the base was loose. something i should of checked when i put the scope on. weaver rings i think is whats on it. im not sure because the rings came with the scope. i was told it could be the ammo so i bought some hornady 168 grain shells which are a little spendy. and if these dont work then ill try winchester supremes and then ill choose which ever one shoots better.

[Go Big Red!]

Gotta be the ammo.  Let us know the results.  Nice gun too.

[deadeye]

It's possible the forearm is touching the barrel.  See if you can slide a piece of paper between the two.  You may have to adjust the bedding.

[GRAMPS]

What brand and type of scope are you using?  If you are using a Pacific Rim made scope that could be your problem.  As for base and rings use Burris or Leupold as they are steel.
If you still have problems send me your number and we can talk about it.

Gramps

[Benny]

Another problem that we see at the range durring sight in is improperly installed scope mounts.

We had several guns this past weekend that had the mounts screwed down and were not trued up to each other there for they "bent" the scope way off as they were tightened down on the scope tube.

Gramps also has a very good point in the quality of the "off " brand scopes.
Had a guy with a slug gun who couldn't hit the paper hardly at all, he was all over the place.

He came back Sunday with a Nikon pro staff and printed 1 inch groups at 75 yards with 12 ga sabots.

Benny

[Cody Gruchow]

simmons whitetail classic. i forget the magnifacation but it zooms in a long way. 16x32x44 or something like that. even has the focus on the front part of the scope for up to and beyond 300 yards.

deadeye what do you mean?

[GRAMPS]

Loose the scope.  Way too much power for hunting around here, also what is happening when you change power you are geting track-out which means that your point of impact is changing when you change powerrs on the scope.  The cross hairs could also be moving around every time you fire your gun, I have seen this happen with Simmons scopes before.  If you want to check it out let me know and you can come over and I will look at it Wed or thurs evening.

Gramps

[Cody Gruchow]

well i really like the scope so i would rather not get rid of it. how would the point of impact change on the zoom? sense its coming out of the same barrel and the scope itself hasnt moved? i work wensdays and thursdays during the day and night(2 jobs)  were you located?

[mnnate]

Cody I had a Simmons Whitetail Classic 2-10x44mm scope on one of my rifles at one time. It had everything i wanted in a scope. Great crisp glass with 2x for thick stuff and 10x for longer shots. After 2 yrs its poi started to wander every few shots. Just a thought.

[Cody Gruchow]

well like i said it really is my last resort to replace a scope i just got. im going to clean the gun real well and try the new shells first. then if that dont work ill replace the base and rings. THEN if it still dont work i will get a new scope. id rather start small then work my way up to the spendy things right. id rather get a new base and rings and figure our that was the problem then just getting a new scope and then finding out it was just the rings and base. get my drift?

[mnnate]

Sounds like a plan. Ammo could very well be your problem. I see you tryed Hornady ammo. I never had luck with that in my old 760. I would try the cheaper Federal blue box stuff and Win. power points. Also bullet weight could be causing part of your problem too. Again my 760 did not like 150' or 165's but shot 180 grainers like a champ.

[Cody Gruchow]

good point. i never thought of using a heavyer grain bullet. i shot it today with the hornady. all 20 shells. i shot a majority at 50 yards(to see if it was the scope) and i put alot of them in and around the center. with 3 overlaping themselves. but the 100 yards were a little worse. still shot better at 100 with the hornady. so i guess i will buy 180 grain shells tommorow. maybe federals.

[Go Big Red!]

Any update on the wandering ammo?

[Cody Gruchow]

havent tryed anything recently. been busy with gun season

[deadeye]

Cody, sorry I missed your question.  Normally you want the barrel to float and not touch the gun stalk. You can test this with a thin piece of paper or dollar bill. Wrap the paper around the barrel and slide it down past the forarm. It should slide all the way to the action.  If the barrel is resting on the forarm, your shots will go all over.  To correct this, remove the stock and cut or sand away the high spots.

[Cody Gruchow]

hmm good idea deadeye ill check that when i get home tonight. thanks!

[Go Big Red!]

Cody, sorry I missed your question.  Normally you want the barrel to float and not touch the gun stalk. You can test this with a thin piece of paper or dollar bill. Wrap the paper around the barrel and slide it down past the forarm. It should slide all the way to the action.  If the barrel is resting on the forarm, your shots will go all over.  To correct this, remove the stock and cut or sand away the high spots.

Great point deadeye.


CG-

I talked with a good friend who knows a lot about guns, shooting, ammo, etc.  He said it's probably  the ammo.  Try different brands between the Rem, Winchester, Federal, etc.  Hornady at times is sub-contracted out to Federal and it's made right in Anoka.  Not saying Hornady is a Federal product, just made in the same plant.  He made it seem like you are paying for the Hornady name more than anything else but that was his opinion.

Scope shouldn't be the issue as long as it's not a piece of  .  He has many guns and has tried many ammo brands and some guns just don't like certain ammo coming out of it.  For example, he has a decked out AR-15 and went through 4 brands of ammo before he found the one that went from a pie plate size to the size of a donut center.  He also said hand gun ammo, for example, will do the same thing. That is huge considering gun barrel lengths of 4 to 6 inches.

Try it and see what you get. 

[cva54]

this is just my opinion here #1 a auto loader has to many moving parts for accuracy reasons #2 a 3x9x40 is perfick for a .06. #3 rings burris,leopold,weaver good ones. I just went through this with my 1951 721 rem .06 Had it at Ahlmans #4 trigger job,cut and recrown barrle,lap bolt lugs,readjust head space bought a good used 700 stock hinged floor plate and all other parts to finish it off. brought it home did the inletting my self floated it. I still got to bring it back 1 more time piller bedding. For you that dont know a 721 is  the for father of the 700. Made from 1948 to 1961. Took me for ever to find that out. Now my 1951 721 looks like a new 700 UNTILL you look at it close. Thats fun at my range. It shoots sub MOA. I do this every time I shoot it. at 200 yards or a 100 cold bolt 1st shot 1" square 2nt shot on the line 3dr 1 and 1/2 off. So what the deer is down on the first any way. that is untill this year havent sean 1 yet sorry got off track back to yours. As you can see there is a lot look at wht I went though and that was a bolt action. But try the winchester ammo the cheep stuff $20.00 a box. dont ask me why both my 700's shoot vary well. But I am going to start reloading my other rifle is a sps 7mm rem mag PS if any of yuo wnta to learn more go to  http://www.longrangehunting.com/ there is a lot of gun smiths out there and a world of info good luck

[Uplander]

One more idea for you to consider: I realize you said this is a new gun, but look at the rifling at muzzle for defects, flat spots etc. Here's my experience with just such a problem:


I went through the same frustration many years ago when I bought a brand spankin' new Marlin 336 in .35 Rem (from Wally World when they used to carry guns). Cleaned the storage oil off of it, put on a 1.5-4x Bushnell scope and could not get any consistent groups, even at 50 yds it was all over the target. Took off the scope and stuck with the iron sights. Still hit all over the paper. Wasted 3 boxes of shells on it and was thoroughly perplexed. When I cleaned it again I just happened to notice that the rifling at the muzzle (last 1/4" or so) was completely flattened out ... I couldn't believe it. Definitely found the problem. Returned it to WW and got a replacement at no charge after discussing with the store mgr who just happened to be an avid deer hunter. The replacement rifle shot fine ... consistent 2-3" groups at 100 yds.

Hopefully your rifle is good and it's just an ammo or scope/mount issue.