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Offline labs4me

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O.K. Dave,

I looked at the gun again.  It is stamped on the bolt 30-30 REM.   I did a search and Remingotn Peters produced a 30-30 Rem. shell in the 1st quarter of the 20th century.  I am trying to verify if this gun also takes any other 30-30 shells.  I read on one site where you can use 30-30 shells in a model 8 stamped .30 caliber.  These guns supposedly take modern loads no problem... they just state that if you are handloading to not make them "hot".  One site said the beauty of these guns is they are 'clip' fed vs. tube fed and thus handloaders can use a more accurate bullet than the typical round or flat nose versions you see in these typically lever action calibers.

I'm in the process of verifying the year it was produced (though I think it is real old... 1920's?).  I looked at what I paid for it and I'm almost ashamed at how little I paid....  I will keep scratching and as I come up with more info I will let you know.

Good Luck!

Ken

Offline labs4me

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Found some more info...

you would have to reload the 30-30 Rem. rounds they are a centerfire cartridge... the round Remingotn developed to compete with Winchesters 30-30 rimfire round.  It eventually became the .30 remington.  I found a brass supplier, but I don't see me reloading any.  Here's a discussion on this gun... must be old!

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-143224.html

shows brass and manufacturers of the casings

http://members.shaw.ca/cartridge-corner/Wraco.htm

history (it is the .30 cal)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/30_Rem.htm

It's probably easier to buy a .32 rem or .35 rem by the looks of it they still take the modern brass.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-34919.html

here's another discussion on them...

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-81914.html

As I come up with more I will post... This may be more than you bargain for in terms of a gun... ???  Maybe all loads need to be hand loaded????

Here is a 'modern' version of the same gun.  It is a .30 cal. remington which I gather is the same ballistics as a 30-30?  The only difference I can see between this gun and mine is .30 cal vs 30-30rem., stamped with the Wodsmaster logo, no checkering on wood and a scope... They are awefully cool little guns.  I imagine there is almost no recoil as it is based on the A-5 shotgun frame.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=8357


Good Luck!

Ken



« Last Edit: January 01/11/07, 09:33:36 AM by labs4me »

Offline labs4me

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Hallmark of innovation: The Remington Model Eight: Old fashioned doesn't necessarily mean obsolete. The sleek Remington Model 8 is still fit for the game trails
Guns Magazine,  May, 2002  by Timothy Case

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A picture tells a thousand-word story in an instant. The hunter is dressed in classic 1930's fashion brimmed hat, heavy wool vest, cartridge belt and knee-high laced logger boots. He walks a narrow mountain ledge. A sheer rock face rises at his left shoulder, a bottomless drop at his right. From around a curve in the ledge trail, the head and shoulders of a massive grizzly appears. The hunter's stance communicates that he is in the midst of a split-second, fight-or-flight decision. And yet before the decision is made, his reflexes take over and the Remington Model 8 autoloader comes to his shoulder.

As often happens, an initial minor purchase initiates a secondary major purchase. The $129 basic Ruger 10/22 was a prime example. Of course the gun later required a carbon-fiber barrel, a synthetic target stock, a bipod, a variable scope -- you get the point.

So it was with the $12 reproduction tin sign advertising the Remington Model 8 autoloading rifle. I liked the picture, the price was inconsequential, and it now hangs above my workbench. The problem was that every time I looked up from some fix-it job, I imagined myself walking the deep northern forests, dressed in those clothes, carrying that rifle.



The Die Is Cast

Of course, once the fixation developed, there was no turning back. The gun assumed first place on my mental "next gun" list. At that point, it was inevitable that sooner or later, I would find... the perfect Model 8.

I found the perfect Model 8 on the last day, at the last table of our small-town gun show. The blueing was well-worn across the magazine and receiver (the rifle's natural balance point for a one-handed carry), it had murky old varnish and a few minor scratches in the wood -- an untold story of much careful use. In my mind... the perfect gun. A little haggling, and $210 later the gun was on its way home.

I did suffer a brief period of buyer's remorse when they told me at WalMart that the .30 Remington cartridge for which my new prize was chambered was no longer available. A little net surfing, however, produced cartridges at $20 per box, a die set at $51.50, and a bag of 100 unfired brass for $30 -- everything I need to fill up that cartridge belt.

A Cutting Edge Rifle

The Model 8 was one of the earliest American semiauto rifles. John Browning's patent application was filed June 6, 1900, and U.S. Patent #659,786 was granted on October 16, 1900. Browning promptly sold the patent to Remington, which started producing the rifle in 1906.

Remington introduced the Model 8 during a time when the company was offering few new centerfire models. The gun saw a production run of 30 years in which over 80,000 of the autoloaders where produced. Most had 22-inch barrels with plain open sights. Although no variations of the gun were offered, five different grades were produced ranging from the plainest Standard grade to the most deluxe Premier Grade. Mid grades included the Special, Peerless and Expert grades. Quality of wood and degree of checkering and engraving mainly differentiated these grades.

The gun was produced in four calibers: the Remington .25, .30, .32 and .35. This family of cartridges was designed to compete directly with Winchester, except in rimless form. The .25 Rem. was the alternative to .25-35 WCF; likewise, the .30 Rem, competed for the .30-30 market; and the .32 Remington went head-to-head with the .32 Win Special. The big brother of the family, the well known .35 Remington, was designed as a ballistic equivalent to the 33 Winchester. This cartridge found its own niche in the market and is the only cartridge from the series still produced by the major ammunition companies.

The Model 8's demise was more a function of timing than anything else. The gun entered a market dominated by a host of .30-30 lever guns, including the indomitable Winchester Model 94. The Model 8's design had some distinct advantages, namely speed of fire and that its box magazine allowed for the use of spitzer bullets. However, the then 12-year-old Model 94 juggernaut was at full steam and eventually proved more dominant. I can only speculate what might have been had not the Model 94 been introduced only a few years prior to the Model 8.

Technical Overview

The Model 8 is recoil-operated with a rotating bolt and double-locking lugs. The gun fires from a fixed 5-shot magazine and is equipped with a bolt hold-open that engages after the last shot is fired. The autoloading action was made more revolutionary by the incorporation of a barrel that was shrouded in a full-length jacket. When the gun is fired, the barrel moves backward inside the shroud. This arrangement is largely believed to be the first effective recoil reduction system.

Designed in a day when travel by train was common, the 8-pound, 41-inch carbine was built on a take-down design for ease of transport and cleaning. Take down is accomplished by removing the forearm to access an integral barrel wrench. Once loosed, the wrench releases the barrel. As the barrel, including chamber and the open sights, remain in one piece, this feature does not negatively affect accuracy.


Offline Benny

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Well my books say it was made from 1906 to 1936, there was a take down model and the Model 8A came in .25,.30,.32, and .35 rem.
Five round clip fed, 22 inch barrel.

Prices are NIB $792,Ex $638,Gd $585.

Benny
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