Black Powder Questions

[Faceman]

Ok I have been thinking about trying out some black powder shooting. I dont want to invest alot of money at this point but I am looking at the Remington Genesis .50 cal. I am wondering what the preferance is as far as powder, bullets, and primers. Do you prefer powder or pellets? What type bullets do you prefer and what weight bullets? What brand primers seem to be the best? Remember I dont want to spend alot to just learn about black powder shooting. If I enjoy it then things may change and try deer hunting with it but for now it is more educational and for fun. Any info would be nice.

Thanks
faceman

[JohnWester]

triple 7 pellets.  way easy and fire great.  I use the sabot slugs. they come with a plastic sleeve.  and I was using just regular 209 shotgun primers, but they fowl the breach plug hole.  I will be switching to the new type primers made specifically for black powder.  Not sure if trip7 makes them.  but they are out there, and don't fowl the hole as much and make for easier clean up.

[MN RACK ATTACK]

Triple sevens pellets are the way to go. I have used TC shock wave sabots with great sucess also the Hornaday XPR hollow points. I could not get a consistant pattern with the power belt bullets even thought they are easier top load. If you havent purchased a muzzle loader yet, I would recomend a CVA Kodiak or Optima. I hadnt heard about the new primers but will check into it. Always buy an extra breech plug. 

[JohnWester]

TC shock wave sabots

that's what I use.

I shoot the TC omega... best starter BP gun imho.

[mathews4ever]

I use 150 grains triple 7 pellets and triple 7 primers. burn really clean. I have had my best luck with 348 grain hollow point powerbelt bullets.

[Faceman]

Thanks for the info everyone. I am thinking about trying it but with xmas coming I might have to wait until spring. I am very excited about trying blackpowder though.

[johnnies07]

I just started Black Powder hunting about three years ago, but I've tried just about every powder/bullet combo there is.  For the money it's tough to beat the T/C Omega.  Easy to clean, shoots straight, plus their customer service is excellent. 
As for powder, I recommend Pyrodex pellets over Triple 7 pellets.  They're both loaded to the same velocity and pressure specs, but Triple 7 leaves a "crud ring" after each shot, at least it did in my gun.  It makes it much harder to load a second shot and MUCH harder to load a third.  Loose powder will give you more consistant results shot-to-shot, but it takes a little more practice and can be more confusing to the beginner.
There are a lot of good bullets out there.  The T/C Shockwaves and Hornady SSTs are the two that worked best in my gun, but every gun will be different.  Powerbelts are easier to load, but I had trouble getting a tight group from them.
I'm no expert by any means, just a guy who likes to hunt and shoot, so take my advice for what it is.  Have fun shooting!!!

[mathews4ever]

As for powder, I recommend Pyrodex pellets over Triple 7 pellets.  They're both loaded to the same velocity and pressure specs, but Triple 7 leaves a "crud ring" after each shot, at least it did in my gun.

I had the same problem until I switched to the triple7 primers. the problem is that regular 209 primers don't burn fast enough and they actually push the load a slight bit before ignition. I have had no problems since the switch. plus there is no sulfer smell with triple7.

[JohnWester]

I had the same problem until I switched to the triple7 primers. the problem is that regular 209 primers don't burn fast enough and they actually push the load a slight bit before ignition. I have had no problems since the switch. plus there is no sulfer smell with triple7.

I think those are the primers I am talking about

[Jessy James]

Hey there!  I'm new to this sight and I like all the info being passed around.  I'd like to offer some of my own.  I've been muzzle loading for 5 years now and I, just ike yourself was curious about it but didn't want to spend a lot of $ up front.  Well, now, I love it and will always hunt it.  I bought a CVA wolf for around $125 ,a CVA starter kit for $50, a lbs. of triple seven and trpile seven primers.  I've gotten several deer with this combo. each year since.  I've also upgraded to the CVA optima elite wich is another good gun but I seem to gravitate back to my wolf from time to time.  O yea, I shoot 120 frains of powder with a 145 grain power belt hollow point and I've dropped one deer at 157 yds with that combo.  I hope all this helps you.  Happy Hunting

[HD]

I shoot a CVA Optima Elite With the triple 7 primers and triple 7 powder pellets.

I did buy some of the Pyrodex pellets this year, but haven't tried them yet. They are more expensive than the triple 7 pellets.

I seem to have a tough time loading my 2nd shot, so, I'm hoping they will burn cleaner.


Hunter

[cobb]

I was told by a guy that makes custom muzzle loaders that the crud ring in the breach is caused by the plastic sleeve on sabots. 

[HD]

If that is caused by the plastic, then how do you get around that?

[cobb]

If that is caused by the plastic, then how do you get around that?

I guess don't use sabots. 

I assume it one of those things that you will have to contend with to get the benefit of a sabot round.  I know the lead cast bullets in a handgun loaded over fast powder will lead more in the beginning of the rifling than slower powders.

[HD]

I don't know.... Aren't all inline muzzle loader bullets encased in a plastic wad?

This is only my 2 year shooting this new muzzle loader....That's why I'm asking.

My traditional is totally different..........


Hunter

[cobb]

No, there are ball and conical projectiles without the plastic sleeve.   The sabot have proven to be the most accurate from my understanding.

I am by no means an expert on this, so hopefully someone with more expertise will chime in.

[Dino]

Hornady has a new non plastic sleeve bullet.
Its called FPB Black-Powder Bullet .


Good luck!

Dino

[HD]

I would have to agree that the sabots are more accurate than my traditional ball loads.
But, I didn't know that you could load the same type of projectile in a inline muzzle loader.

I'll have to check into that.


Yea, I ain't no expert on this one either, just trying to gather some info............


Hunter

[HD]

Ok, I shot the muzzle loader today, the new Pyrodex pellets and the triple 7 primers do burn cleaner because I could get the load all the way down each time.


But, I still have a question....... Does anybody else with a CVA have a hard time getting the sabot started into the barrel? The first couple inches are a  to get the load to slide. Once I get it past that point, it goes fairly easy.


Hunter

[MN RACK ATTACK]

I usually wipe just a little bore butter on the outside of the sabot and it seams to help. I have had the same problem with my TC Encore on getting the bullet started.

[HD]

Yep, I've been using the bore butter too, but I had to buy a new ram rod cause I bent the first one.


Are they suppose to go in that hard?

[MN RACK ATTACK]

How often are you cleaning your barrel? I usually do it after every other shot and if im target practicing I will run a brush down about every 6th or 8th shot. I havnt had that much trouble. Maybe try a longer starter, not sure if they make one but it might help.

[HD]

The gun was clean when I started, then ran a brush down after the 4th shot.
Only ran 8 rounds through it.

Each one was no different than the first.

It's been that way since it was new.

[JohnWester]

use a T-handle to start it, then your ram rod.

[HD]

Thanks John, when I head to the store later today I'll see if I can find one.


The old flint lock loads a heck of alot easier than this one!


Hunter

[mncowboy]

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monty