News Release From The DNR

[HD]

I know this is a sore subject for alot of people, but, I'm just the messanger of the information.
I don't want to start a long drawn out thread about this subject.

Hunter


News Releases
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

DNR sends reminder to dog owners (February 5, 2009)

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources (DNR) reminds dog owners that it is illegal to allow their pets to harass deer and other big game.

Every winter, conservation officers receive reports from throughout the state of dogs chasing and sometimes killing deer or other big game. Wildlife regulations hold dog owners accountable for dogs chasing big game and conservation officers are authorized to put down dogs that do so. Dog owners would also be subject to a civil penalty.

Capt. Ken Soring, acting DNR enforcement chief, advises dog owners to be aware of the possibility that their dogs may be chasing big game and to take steps to prevent them from doing so.

“Deer are particularly vulnerable at this time of year because they are expending every bit of energy to stay alive, and the additional stress of being chased can affect their winter survival,” Soring said.

The Minnesota Game and Fish Laws handbook reads that a person who observes a dog wounding, killing, or pursuing in a manner that endangers big game may kill the dog without liability:

At any time, if the person is a peace officer or conservation officer; or
Between Jan. 1 and July 14, if the person is not a peace officer or conservation officer and the discharge of firearms is allowed.

[Duckslayer]

You must be on the same mail list as I am.   
You are correct though... there have been some heated discussions about that.  Have a great day!  Take care and N Joy the Hunt././Jimbo

[BuckdownBen]

i wish they would direct their attention to the wolf problem, and the late winter survival of the deer herd.

[The General]

I know this is a sore subject for alot of people, but, I'm just the messanger of the information.
I don't want to start a long drawn out thread about this subject.

Hunter

I guess you got your wish.   

[kingfisher1]

I know this is a sore subject for alot of people, but, I'm just the messanger of the information.
I don't want to start a long drawn out thread about this subject.

Hunter

I guess you got your wish.   

good thing UncleDave didn't see this!  He would've asked if it was breed specific!   

[The General]

 

[stevejedlenski]

i wish they would direct their attention to the wolf problem, and the late winter survival of the deer herd.

well the feds are in charge of them for now and they are trying to turn it over the the state but peta and others have been hanging it up for a while now

[Bufflehead]

 I don't condone dogs chasing deer

 But I'm just wondering who owns my land.

 So, if my dog chases a deer on my land, it can be shot

 If it kills the deer, I may/will have to pay restitution

 If I ride my snowmobile on my land, it must be licensed

 If I ride my four wheeler on my land, it must be licensed

 If my son rides his dirt bike on our land, it must be licensed

 if I want to build a building on it, I need a permit

 if one the DNR's wild animals wrecks my corn or other crops, chases my cattle or even kills them. I'm chit out of luck. If I or my dog killed them, we must pay restitution and may loose my hunting rights

 If I want to dig a pond, I need a permit

 If I want to burn, I need a permit

 If I want to put in a new septic, I need a permit

 If I don't pay my property taxes, they take my property

 If I have too many un-licensed cars or other stuff, they can fine me and make me remove said stuff

 In some areas you must paint your house only certain colors

 If I have too many dogs, I must have a License

 I can't drive my ATV in any wet-lands on my own property

 Need I go on anymore?

 Freedom......what Freedom?

 Now who really owns my land?

 I just rent it from the Government, who tells me everything I can do on it.
----------------

Edit, I stand corrected..They tell everything I CAN'T do on it

 

   

[deadeye]

Don't forget, if someone tresspasses on your land and gets hurt, it's probably your fault!

[22lex]

if one the DNR's wild animals wrecks my corn or other crops, chases my cattle or even kills them. I'm chit out of luck. If I or my dog killed them, we must pay restitution and may loose my hunting rights

Not to get off topic Bufflehead, or argue about your post because it was all true, but if deer destroy your crops, isn't there a way to contact the DNR and they will allow you to shoot them?

I may be wrong about your area, but a friend of mine's family down here has been given the authority to shoot deer as they see them 'cause of crop damage and high deer numbers in their area.

alex

[jd mn/nd]

Actually not to stir the pot or get anyone more upset, but if you use any atv, or off road vehicle or snowmobile, on your own land there is no need to liscense it, and truth be told if it is in use for farm purposes you do not need to liscense it all if that is all it used for. As for having too many vehicles on a farm and being told to get rid of them, that is a new one too me. I have seen thousands of farms with broken down vehicles and farm equipment that has sat in the same place for as long as anyone has owned the place and they have never been told to get rid of it or they will be fined. So what I would like to know is where in the heck do you live that you are being that closely watched by other people and you own the farm?

[dakids]

jd mn/nd,  if I was to guess where he lived I would say he lives right next to a person that moved to the country and is living in a million dollar ranch and the extra cars are wrecking there view.

[Bufflehead]

Actually not to stir the pot or get anyone more upset, but if you use any atv, or off road vehicle or snowmobile, on your own land there is no need to liscense it, and truth be told if it is in use for farm purposes you do not need to liscense it all if that is all it used for. As for having too many vehicles on a farm and being told to get rid of them, that is a new one too me. I have seen thousands of farms with broken down vehicles and farm equipment that has sat in the same place for as long as anyone has owned the place and they have never been told to get rid of it or they will be fined. So what I would like to know is where in the heck do you live that you are being that closely watched by other people and you own the farm?

Quote
"Actually not to stir the pot or get anyone more upset, but if you use any atv, or off road vehicle or snowmobile, on your own land there is no need to liscense it"

 WRONG!!!!!!!

 They have a farm Lic. for ATV's(I have two of them). They all must be Lic. on your own property. You can't even haul a un-Licensed ATV or snowmobile in your truck or on a trailer without current Lic.

 Also, if I ride my ATV from my farm to our machine shed up the Hwy ditch, I better be able to prove I'm doing some kind of farm work or I will be ticketed

 Also, my sons both have KX 125 motocross bikes. They built a small track on our place. The local C.O. told me he would allow only them two to ride on it without a Lic(a good will gesture). If he caught any of their friends there riding. They would all be ticketed.

 Even when Supercross(any racing event, even on private property) comes to the Metro Dome. The Organizers of the event must have a permit from the DNR or each and every motorcycle at the event would have to get a Lic from the DNR for their bike.

   

[Bufflehead]

jd mn/nd,  if I was to guess where he lived I would say he lives right next to a person that moved to the country and is living in a million dollar ranch and the extra cars are wrecking there view.

 What it is, is people who want to get away from the cities, move up here, get on the county board or some other position. Then what do they do?

 Start making laws and rules just like it was where they came from. They wanted to get away from the cities life and brought it along with them. We just run a guy off our town board from the cities. First thing he wanted to do was make everybody move their fences, cut all their tree's bordering the roads down to clear a right away..sad fact was, the township has never had a legal right away. That's the way it was set up a 100 years ago. He didn't care..he just thought he could do as he pleased. No matter, he's gone and we are back to normal, if there is such a thing anymore

[HD]

I think we need some clarification here.

I to, have wheelers that are used for farm use. And both have Ag tags on them.
The only time they are required to have, the license and Ag tag, is when it's taken off of the property. The Ag tag gives you more privliges than just the normal license. So, I can see the point about being able to prove that your using it for farm use, other than just some Tom, Dick or Harry using it for something other than it's intended for.

Yes, in a county ditch, or down the dirt road. Basically, if you don't own the property you are driving on, then yes, it needs to be licensed.

I lease other acres, and bring my equipment to other locations. That land is not mine, so they need to be licensed.

As for the dirt bikes, I can't comment, because I don't own one, and I don't know.

I think this thread has gone a little off topic, but has some good debate going.


Hunter

[Bufflehead]

Quote
"Here in Minnesota, conservation officers apparently have more power than regular cops. Today I was minding my own business driving my yamaha ATV on my own property when these thugs pull in off the highway and demand to see my I.D. I was completely caught off guard, they said they saw no license plate on the ATV. I said it never had one and I did't think it needed registration on your own property. They said it did. They gave me a written warning to get it registered within 2 weeks. I was really upset with myself after they left, felt like I just let someone violate me on my property, this is getting completely out of control, they DEMANDED to see my ID, didn't even ask my name first, would they have clubbed me or tazed me and hauled me off in cuffs if I had refused to show them my ID? I am so upset, I know to some or most this would be no biggie, but for me this is huge, f&^%ing police state in my little neck of the woods.

https://www.kitcomm.com/archive/index.php?t-17612.html

[HD]

Quote
"Here in Minnesota, conservation officers apparently have more power than regular cops. Today I was minding my own business driving my yamaha ATV on my own property when these thugs pull in off the highway and demand to see my I.D. I was completely caught off guard, they said they saw no license plate on the ATV. I said it never had one and I did't think it needed registration on your own property. They said it did. They gave me a written warning to get it registered within 2 weeks. I was really upset with myself after they left, felt like I just let someone violate me on my property, this is getting completely out of control, they DEMANDED to see my ID, didn't even ask my name first, would they have clubbed me or tazed me and hauled me off in cuffs if I had refused to show them my ID? I am so upset, I know to some or most this would be no biggie, but for me this is huge, f&^%ing police state in my little neck of the woods.

https://www.kitcomm.com/archive/index.php?t-17612.html

Where did this come from?

I have had the local CO's stop by, and never had a problem with them.
Sure, if I'm in violation of something that I wasn't aware of, They point it out.
And, I work with them to resolve the issue.

I'm thinking that there are some underlining issues here with the DNR.

[The General]

The Ag tag also includes cutting firewood.  So you can strap a chainsaw on it and go.  Just make sure on your way back you bring a few logs. 

[Bufflehead]

 Just making my point, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE YOUR ATV, SNOWMOBILE OR OTHER OFF ROAD VEHICLE LICENSED TO OPERATE IT ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY

 

[HD]

Here is an exerp from the DNR web site.

All it says is that, all atv's and off road vehicles are to be REGISTERED....not licensed, with the DNR, for private use.

It also is stated that it does not expire for the time that the owner use's it on his private property, only when transfered to another party.


OHMs
All OHMs operated in Minnesota must be registered with DNR, even if
used exclusively on private property or in track racing events.
OHM Recreational and Highway Use Registration
Some OHMs are equipped so that they may be legally licensed for
highway use. An OHM licensed for highway use that is also used offroad
must have both the regular motorcycle license and the DNR OHM
registration.
ORVs
All ORVs operated on DNR designated or grant-in-aid ORV trails or
areas must be registered with DNR.
ORV Recreational and Highway Use Registration
Many ORVs are licensed for highway use. An ORV licensed for highway
use that is also operated on designated public ORV use areas or trails
must have both the regular vehicle license and DNR ORV registration.
How To Register An Off-highway Vehicle
• Off-highway vehicles can be registered at a deputy registrar of motor
vehicles office (where automobile license tabs are purchased) or at the
DNR License Center in St. Paul. You may renew your OHV registration
on-line at www.mndnr.gov. No additional fee will be charged.
• The information required for registration of an off-highway vehicle
includes the make, model, year, serial number, and sales receipt. For ATV
and OHM registration the engine size is required. For ATV registration
the dry weight is also required.
• ATVs and OHMs purchased from a retail dealer must be registered
at the dealer by the owner. The dealer will issue a temporary 21-day
registration.
• A registration card and an expiration decal are issued when an ATV or
OHM is registered.
• Owners of ORVs licensed for roadway use must register their ORVs
with the DNR for use on designated trails and areas. The owner is given
a registration card and decal at the time of registration.
• If you sell your OHV give the new owner the registration card and a
bill of sale.
• Any transfers and registration renewals are the responsibility of
the owner.

Display of Numbers and Decals
ATV
ATVs registered for public or dual use must display the current public use
registration number and decal(s) on a plate at least 4 inches high and 7½
inches long. The plate must be clearly visible on the back of the vehicle and at
least 12 inches from the ground. The plate and decal must be maintained in a
clear and legible condition.
Registration letters and numbers must be:
• at least 1½ inches high with a 3/16-inch stroke
• in English and placed from left to right
• in a color that contrasts with the background of the plate.
For a public use registration, the decal must be displayed in the
upper left section of the plate.
For private use only registration, the decal must be displayed in
the upper right section of the plate. No numbers are needed for
this type of registration.
For a dual registration, the public use decal and private use
decal must be displayed in the appropriate section of the plate.
OHM
OHMs registered only for off-road use must display the current registration
decal on the side of the OHM so it is visible while the rider is on the OHM.
It may be attached to the fork tube.
When an OHM is operated on private property, or in a closed-course
competition event, registration is required but the registration decal does not
have to be displayed.
OHMs licensed in Minnesota for roadway use and
registered for off-road use, must display the OHM
decal in the upper left corner of the rear regular
motorcycle license plate. The DNR registration
number should not be displayed.

Expiration and Renewal
The expiration date appears on both the registration card and the decal. All
public use ATV and all OHM and ORV renewals expire on December 31st of
the last year the registration is valid.
Individuals who notify the DNR of mailing address changes should receive a
notice by mail to renew their registration. Whether notified or not, owners are
responsible for renewing their public use ATV, OHM, and ORV registrations.

Private use ATV registration does not expire. It is valid until the ownership
is transferred.

Replacement Registration Cards and Decals
Off-highway vehicle owners may obtain a replacement registration card for
$10.00 or a replacement decal for $6.00 from the DNR License Center or the
Deputy Registrar of Motor Vehicles. Replacement decals and numbers must be
affixed in the same manner as the original.
Individuals are not required to carry the registration card, but when an
enforcement officer requests to see it, it must be provided within a reasonable
time period.

[Bufflehead]

Registration..is a form of lic and there is a charge

Christ, you win lets not get in a row over this

 

[HD]

I'm not trying to upset you in any way.

If a person was to just read this thread, it needed to be clarified.
(even I took it that way)

We as posters on threads, have an obligation to post facts.

Again, if you took it the wrong way, I apologize.


Hunter

[jkcmj]

I have a 4 wheeler and find it ridiculous  :banghead:that I must license it. I drive mine down the road/ditch a short distance to check cows/calves and for hunting purposes around the farm, so have been told I need to have the license. 
 
Conservation officers do have more power than the police.  They are able to access private property without cause in order to try to find reason to ticket someone.  They may demand access to your home, buildings, vehicles, etc without a warrant.
 
Police must have just cause(believe a crime is being committed or a person is in immanent danger) or permission to do so without a warrant.

[HD]

I find this hard to believe.


They must have resonable cause.

[Mayfly]

Conservation officers do have more power than the police.  They are able to access private property without cause in order to try to find reason to ticket someone.  They may demand access to your home, buildings, vehicles, etc without a warrant.

Oh really?? Hmmm. they should just have the dnr work the streets of Minneapolis then. They could do whatever they want. Suspected drug house?? Send the dnr in they don't have to abide by the constitution...Suspected anything? Aww, just send in the dnr! 

Now...lets get back to reality.

[stevejedlenski]

Game Wardens have to follow all the same laws as all Law Enforcement.   I love how everyone thinks they know how to be a cop. Cops don't go around telling engeneers, carpenters or mechanics how to do their job.

ill second that. and also they hate the co's for making laws that are "stupid" but in fact the legislature is who makes laws. you vote them in and they make them. co's arent sitting down and thinking up ways to piss people off and make more money, that would be your politicians again. yes the big wigs in the DNR have a lot to do with it but most of this crap is just politicians finding ways to do what they want. a co could really care less if your atv is registered if you only use it on your property but since it is a law they must do their jobs and enforce it.
why do you think you just got a warning? they probably saw that you were in violation and decided to see if there was anything else going on and then informed you of the law wrote a warning so their bosses see that they are doing their job and sent you on your way.

[JCAMERON]

I wonder why it is thought that DNR has "more power". I had been told by family members at deer camp that the DNR could check out your place without and "just cause".
They can check your license and your bag at any time right? Technically a police officer couldn't pull your car over for no other reason than to check your license unless you have wiskey plates. In that sense I suppose they do have "more power" than your everyday police officer.
But then again a police officer could check your fishing/hunting license at anytime too right? And I don't think a CO could walk into your house and check your freezer without cause though. (EDITED - See next post)
Maybe somebody in the know could clarify this...

[Bufflehead]

I have a 4 wheeler and find it ridiculous  :banghead:that I must license it. I drive mine down the road/ditch a short distance to check cows/calves and for hunting purposes around the farm, so have been told I need to have the license. 
 
Conservation officers do have more power than the police.  They are able to access private property without cause in order to try to find reason to ticket someone.  They may demand access to your home, buildings, vehicles, etc without a warrant.
 
Police must have just cause(believe a crime is being committed or a person is in immanent danger) or permission to do so without a warrant.

 Yes they can search your out buildings, cars and trucks without a warrant, but they have to have a warrant to search your home. They can enter your private property anytime they want.

-----------------------

 Quote
"why do you think you just got a warning?"

The story and the poster is NOT me!!!!!!!!!!! JUST A EXAMPLE OF WHAT GOES ON. I DON"T KNOW THE POSTER BUT HAVE HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE

[stevejedlenski]

conservation officers cannot enter your land for no reason, that would be trespassing just like anyone else. however if you are fishing, hunting etc they can enter or if they have reason to. but they cant just wonder on and see whats going on

[kingfisher1]

DNR officers can check your outbuildings, boats, etc without a warrent, but within reason.  The have to have something called "reasonable suspicion."  Even then, they can only check for things "in plain sight" meaning that it has to be within view of walking in.  They can't go into a outbuilding for example and start rummaging through things without a warrent or probable cause.  They can check livewells on boats without a problem to see if you have any fish in the boat for obvious reasons.