Do you support Antler Point Regs??

[Mayfly]

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[lentz]

i do if its six and above

because if you see a buck running threw the woods threw brush and about to cross your shooting lane and you cant tell if its smaller or bigger then the requirement

you can tell if it above or below six point easily but after that it gets hard to tell fast

and i don't wanna have to sit there and waist any time to count one two three four five six seven eight okay know i gota wait tell i can get the gun up o to late deers gone

[kenhuntin]

Passing on the harvest of young small bucks lets them grow to be possible trophy animals. That is an uncontested fact.
 Say for example on your hunting land you have a resident "cull buck" which is a male deer that sports an undesireably small or deformed set of antlers and is not expected to ever reach trophy status. Perhaps he is pretty aggressive and breeds a fair amount of the does. Why would we stand for legislation that perpetuates and protects his feeble genetics?
 Stop and think before assuming the answer to your quest for a trophy lies with Government.
 Think about how people plot at all means to take a known deer of trophy size.
 More legislation will not fill your walls with ivory, you will still be competing with 400,000 others in Minnesota who are also after that same buck.
 Get the word out about quality deer management. Keep stumping.
 EDUCATION NOT LEGISLATION.

[MNBucKKiller]

I disagree with APR completely.  If you want big bucks you gotta go with age not points, but age is difficult so I say keep it up to me to decide what I want to shoot.

[MTCOMMER]

I am going to have to side against it.  But its a tough debate with good point on both sides.... the reason I wouldn't support it (I did sign the petition though - because I do think its a good 3year trial to see what the affects really are, I know the doe:buck ratio is like 10-20:1 in some places in zone 3)
ANWAYS, I think its getting to the point where we are being told what a 'trophy' is, and its being defined as anything with 6point or more, or whatever the restriction is.  To alot of folks, hunting season is about getting out with families and friends, enjoying times in the woods, sharing stories and putting some meat on the table.
To others, it may be hunting for a trophy buck and though that is tough with neighbors shooting anything that walks by, its part of the experience and part of life.  A decision that each must make, I dont think its right for someone to tell me what I can and cannot shoot.  I agree with Ken, education is the best ticket if you want bigger bucks, more and more people are practicing QDMA.

I just think no one can define a 'trophy' for another person, because people are hunting for different reasons and different trophys.
I believe every deer that I have harvested has been a trophy, some does, some small bucks, and others larger.  My 4point buck antlers sit proudly on my wall and I am just as proud of that as I am of my 130" 8pointer and my soon to come back 10pointer.

   But like stated above, I am interested to see the results of the 3 year study - it may show evidence to change things.

[FireRanger]

I agree with MT on this. One person cannot define a trophy for another and I don't think the government should define it for us either. I'm all for herd management.

[nic53]

I am all for it! 

[Go Big Red!]

I agree with MT on this. One person cannot define a trophy for another and I don't think the government should define it for us either. I'm all for herd management.

Herd management for sure but no to point minimums.

[naturalistmn]

110% all for it!!!   

[bonecollecter82]

110% all for it!!!   

+1

[deadeye]

MTCOMMER nailed it for me.  I also think there are some really good points (pun intended) on both sides.  It's a difficult issue for sure.  Maybe there should be some reward for those who volunterly practice some form of QDM.  This would give incentive to those who do while not affecting those who do not.  Because we practice our form of QDM (on private land) and in general I'm against most APR's, I guess that makes me a hypocrite.  Now that it's started, I would also like to see the Zone 3 APR experiment contunued.  I think a lot can be learned from it even if it is never adopted state wide. 

[Mayfly]

Now that it's started, I would also like to see the Zone 3 APR experiment continued.  I think a lot can be learned from it even if it is never adopted state wide. 

Thats all I want. For once the DNR is finally attempting to change their management strategy and now the powers that be are trying to can the idea. Let is run its 3 year course and then evaluate it!

[HUNTER2]

I'm all for it. Nothing smaller than 8 points. It would make the taxidermists rich. Just think everybody and there brother would be getting one mounted. As far as meat, u can always shoot a doe.

[THG]

Count me against antler point regulations. I hunt for the meat and restrict myself to bucks only to minimize the affect my hunting has on the size of deer herd. Trophy antler hunters can restrict themselves we do not need the government passing laws in this area.

[jigglestick]

first I will say, absolutely not.

then, I will ask you want antler point restrictions and to that you will answer, so there are more larger racked deer out there, so I have a better chance of tagging a trophy.

to that I will remind you, what a trophy really is. it is something that you worked hard at and recieved a reward for your hard work and perservierance.

if there deer of 8 points or better around every hillside, and it becomes easier to bag one, then it really isn't much of a trophy now is it.

you can pretend it is, but it isnt. you can fool your non-hunting friends and bandwagon buddies but you wont fool me.

work for your trophy. instant gratification is all you guys who have to work in the concrete jungles, and race up north for two quick days of hunting are after.
work for your trophy, like mayfly did last year.
I know he'd never been in favor of such cheat tactics.

[HD]

I'm on the fence about this one...

I would like to see the study completed, because I believe the results would be interesting.
And on the other hand, if it was my area, I would be upset to tell one of the kids that I take hunting that he or she can't harvest their first deer because it does not meet the requirements.

Yes, it is a disapline thing... but, the joy they have in their eyes out weighs the restriction.

So, mark me down as a maybe

[Go Big Red!]

to that I will remind you, what a trophy really is. it is something that you worked hard at and recieved a reward for your hard work and perservierance.

My thoughts exactly.

[BigDog]

first I will say, absolutely not.

then, I will ask you want antler point restrictions and to that you will answer, so there are more larger racked deer out there, so I have a better chance of tagging a trophy.

to that I will remind you, what a trophy really is. it is something that you worked hard at and recieved a reward for your hard work and perservierance.

if there deer of 8 points or better around every hillside, and it becomes easier to bag one, then it really isn't much of a trophy now is it.

you can pretend it is, but it isnt. you can fool your non-hunting friends and bandwagon buddies but you wont fool me.

work for your trophy. instant gratification is all you guys who have to work in the concrete jungles, and race up north for two quick days of hunting are after.
work for your trophy, like mayfly did last year.
I know he'd never been in favor of such cheat tactics.

Agree 100%

[kenhuntin]

If the zone three people wanted to have antler point restrictions they would act on it on their own. They have the herd they want and bring on whatever comes from it unto themselves.

[Mayfly]

The horrible thing about this is that the people voting on it do not have any invested interest except what is coming from the outside. What and who is influencing their votes? That is why we need to email these people and show support.... Lets give the DNR their 3 year trial and then re-evaluate.

[jigglestick]

No.

[jigglestick]

there is no need to test drive this because it's already been test driven and the results will be the same every where.
the ONLY reason someone would support this is to make it easier for themselves to shoot a bigger horned deer.

I stand solid in my position on this.
you know what it's like to work hard for your buck. there is no comparison to that feeling.

there are plenty of big racks out there if your willing to dig in a little.

[Swany]

Jigglestick,
I agree with you that the hard work/gratification opinion. I also think that APR's should never apply to any type of youth hunt or youth hunter.

But, you don't feel that having a broader age class of deer and a more even buck-to-doe ratio is a good thing for overall herd health?
(Yes, a byproduct of this would be larger racked bucks)

[jigglestick]

But, you don't feel that having a broader age class of deer and a more even buck-to-doe ratio is a good thing for overall herd health?
(Yes, a byproduct of this would be larger racked bucks)

this is a non truth.

the more bucks in the herd, the more(different) bucks that will be breeding the does.
with fewer bucks, only the dominant superior bucks will be servicing the does. that will pass along the superior genes.

I watch as the cars roll through town here in Deer River after the busy rifle hunting weekends and there seems to be no shortage of large horned deer taken ach year.

get back itn the bush and you will see the tell tale signs.
learn how to set up on them and you too will own one.

MN is not lacking for horns. we have so much cover its easy for them to dissapear.
the forkies all eat along the roads but we don't see the big boys because of their survival instincts keeping them nocturnal.
every year we are taking booners and really have nothing to complain about, but I feel like I am talking to a tree with this.

look at it this way. if there were 12 guys standing in my kitchen and one trophy on the table, the guy who ended up with the trophy would think he's pretty special.

now if I had 8 trophys on my table and 8 guys out of 12 were gonna end up with a trophy, it wouldn't feel as "special" now would it.

out of the twelve guys in the first scenario, the one guy is one of those guys who has quite a few of those trophys stacked up on his mantle, because he has it figured out and is more often than not successful.
it's the other ten guys who are crying for antler point restirctions so they can have a trophy too.
oh, the other guy,....that's me telling you all to suck it up and get out there and hunt.

[bonecollecter82]

"we have so much cover its easy for them to dissapear"
Yah if this was only true come to swmn and see what we have for cover.

[The General]

I think for bow hunters this could work.  One has time to actually see the deer up close to be able to count the points.  When I used to slug hunt we did it down by the Olivia area.  The only hunting we did was pushing groves, ditches, and corn fields.  I have never shot a deer standing still in my life with a gun.  Most of them were on a dead sprint or moving at some speed.  How in the heck are you going to tell how many points are on that animal?  I can see it now....John Doe shoots a 170 class 7 and 15/16ths point buck and gets a fine.  Sorry John that your deer was in a fight and broke a tine.  It was your responsibility to make sure 

Then you have people like my wife who shot her first buck last year and she calls it an eight pointer, I never had the heart to tell her it's only a six with a couple of nubs on it.  It was a trophy to her.  Now she can tell the difference between a buck and a doe, but I think she would just quit hunting if she was in an area like the one being talked about.

[Lineman]

I'm all for it. Like Bonecollecter82 said there is not much cover in the southwest and south central part of the state.  The General I don't know how many years your have been gun hunting, but I find it hard to believe you have never shot a deer thats standing still with a gun.

[The General]

I'm all for it. Like Bonecollecter82 said there is not much cover in the southwest and south central part of the state.  The General I don't know how many years your have been gun hunting, but I find it hard to believe you have never shot a deer thats standing still with a gun.

Just curious but do you think a deer that gets drove out of a grove of trees by a bunch of guys comes out walking and then stops? We didn't sit in trees and wait for the deer to come to us.  I slug hunted from ages 12 or 13 to age 18 and probably shot 8 to 10 deer in that span with a slug.  Took up bow hunting at age 16 and been doing it ever since. 

[kenhuntin]

The implement of antler restrictions is one less freedom of individual choice. Let these little nicks perpetuate and your whole hand will be gone someday. If the people in zone 3 with the field of fire they enjoy wish to manage the herd the way they do they reap the rewards or deficit they themselves create.

[The General]

Did the people in zone 3 get to vote prior to this thing being implemented?