New Waterfowl Load~

[snow]

Is out from Environ Metals,you guys need to do yourself a favor and try this stuff,you won't need the larger size pellets like you do with steel and we all know what more pellets mean on a target,'dead bird down".

Read on~

HEVI•METAL is HEVI•SHOT’s entry into the high end steel category. As you are aware, steel will kill waterfowl if you use a large enough pellet, speed it up to increase energy and get the birds in close enough to have an effective pattern - with enough pellets to kill the duck. The bad news is, if you get a large pellet then you can only get so many pellets in the shell and the pattern becomes sparse after around 37 yards. Thus crippling increases and success falters! It takes 3 pellets with 2.35 ft lbs of energy to give you a 95% kill assurance! The larger pellets have the energy, but as stated, there is only so much room.
What makes HEVI•SHOT products so great is the ability to use a small pellet with a lot of energy and then get enough pellets at the same time. With HEVI•SHOT you can effectively kill ducks out to 60 yards. The pattern is full of pellets and with # 6 shot, you still have energy to boot! In fact, HEVI•SHOT is really overkill! Most shooters shoot ducks closer and the kills are dramatic! We decided that if we could make a HEVI•SHOT pellet perform like a steel pellet (i.e. large and with enough energy to deliver the punch) we could start blending steel and the new smaller pellet to deliver a dense pattern with energy to kill ducks out to the 45-50 yard range. Thus giving waterfowlers the first effective waterfowl load at premium steel prices, around $21-25 bucks a box. This load is priced in the same range as Federal's new Black Cloud and Winchester’s Supreme Dry Lok.
Our load is precision loaded. We don’t mix the shot, we modify the loader to drop an exact amount of the new pellet and an exact amount of steel. The new pellet is new, not just one of our many pellets! We have engineered specific pellets to duplicate the energy and flight characteristics of the matching steel pellet! It comes in 3 inch and 3 ½ inch loads, in BBB, BB, 2 and 3 shot sizes and 1 ¼ and 1 ½ oz. payloads. We launch at 1500 fps and each load has a minimum of 21% more pellets than a traditional steel load.


Tim

[02mini stockr]

That ammo is really expensive but very effective, I used in once. That all I can afford...I think it was 30 bucks for 20 shots.

[snow]

02,

No,you have'nt tried this ammo it just came out,you shot "Hevi Shot",and yeah it run's about $20 for "10 shots",best stuff on the market today,maybe better than lead but its not for everyone,to spendy but fun to shoot.

"Hevi Metal' is replacing hevi steel and for the guys that like to shoot a high quality steel shot ammo,this is the ticket,pricies vary around town from $19 to $22/per box of twenty five,it patterns better than black cloud and remingtonHD and has more down range energy to boot because of the tungsen mix,unlike steel you won't have to shoot the big loads to get the job done,3's and duces over dekes and BB's for pass shooting or longer shots.

[snow]

Well,anyone try this stuff or like product? I'd like to here some feed back if anyone has shot this stuff.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             The migration has started how's the hunt going?Its only going to get better,huge #'s of birds are jumping the NoDak border,might even see a good push of new birds in western Mn with this weather.

Tim

[Cody Gruchow]

i have heavy metal 3 inch BBB in my shooting bag and it does the job and it isnt all that difference in price from black cloud either.

[Go Big Red!]

Let's be honest here, do shells really matter?  I shoot 3" Kent Fasteel #3 and BB and haven't had any issues.  Cycles well in my SBE2, rated at 1550 FPS, and have lost one bird in three seasons. 

Are there significant improvements with shooting a non-steel load?  Is it really worth the price?

[Tyler Rother]

I just buy federal and kent ... As long as you wait til birds are in range and can shoot to kill... I just can't afford the big buck shots... I see no point. Change is good for some, not for me.

[snow]

RED,absolutely it makes all the difference in the world,sure you can shoot kent,federal classic and even drylok and kill birds close in,BUT you'll enjoy clean kills on birds that flare,or are decoy/call shy and most of all pass shooting.If you are lucky enough to be in a high volume area of migrators like in western Mn or the Dakotas,I see no need shoot anything else than whats working for ya,BUT its nice to have a plan "B" along just incase things don't work out and that my friend is where these hi-end loads stand out,try them sometime,maybe on the 3rd shot for starters after the birds flare and are going away,watch what happens if your on target.

Hevi metal will give you at least another 10yds of letal killing range plus you'll have less cripples and cripple shots if you shoot over water.Hevi Shot,well it this stuff is what lead use to be and IMO better,been shooting this stuff exclusivley for the past 10 years,I shoot less and kill more birds than we did with steel.

[Go Big Red!]

Good points snow, but my plan "B" is 3 1/2" Kent BB.  Last one to be shot everytime.

Great thread and great conversations.  Hope everyone's waterfowl season has been good so far!!!!

[snow]

Red,well thats where the problem lies "BBsteel" is just another steel load meaning even tho the shot pellet is larger it still does'nt have the penetrating down range energy that these other loads will give you.

Here is one field report that made "non-believers" into "believers"~

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by rpetty on Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:14 pm

Just had the Hunting University TV crew in Alberta at Black Dog Outfitters- we had 6 guns and filmed 4 tv segments- 2 Goose shows- I Mallard/Snow show/one Mallard -Goose show.! in 3 days hunting we used HeviMetal #2 3 inch for Geese and 3"s for the ducks.
we harvested 48 ducks and 48 geese day one- day 2 we shot mallards from willow blinds-and limited(48) again but had a flock of snows come straight in- 6 shooters 18 shells --- 17 stone dead snows- on film-nothing but dropping from the sky!!! Day 3 more of the same.
we were field testing with 6 seperate guns SX3/Rem870/BenelliM90/SBE2/391 extrema/moss 835
We had 0-zero malfunctions-guns or ammo! Dirt King from the Hunting University said it was the best shoot in his career-and the ammo was unbelievable!!! its all on film and will be on tv this coming year! Shots were from 25-60 yards- all geese we GREATER Canadas!!! Hammered them- 3 cripples- we got 2 of them and no lost ducks!!!!
I used our new choke tubes- more on those soon!!!!!
think Im Bsing- email dirt at dirt@huntinguniversity.com or Blain Burnes Blaine@blackdog Outfitters bburns4@telusplanet.net! HeviMetal may be the best waterfowl load we ever made!!! Price- great!!!!
Ron Petty 928 776-1627 hevishot@msn.com

[Tyler Rother]

Gotta love free advertising, worse then a car salesman.

Snow your a good guy and all, but damn man, give it a rest. There's so many posts you go deep into with info. about your load and brand.


We all like what we buy, if we try it and like it we switch, if we don't, we don't.

[snow]

Sorry DH did'nt mean to offend you,been around the block more than most of you guys,comes with age and experience I guess.I just donot like steel like alot of folks,never have and never will,even with my 10ga,heaven forbid we discuss things on an open forum.BTW,What do you do for a living DH? 

[Tyler Rother]

Well... I did haul drywall for a living, for 7 years...Got laid off in March... Now I am going to school for Network Development. Working for a moving company currently.

Don't see how that pertains to anything tho.

No issues with steel here, yet.

[snow]

It does'nt,just the "worse than the car dealer shot" was'nt necessary" BTW,I donot get paid for the info I lay out or sell the product,just some friendly convo that some seem to like as stated above and in PM's.

[fubar]

Alright guys, no problems since i have become the mod and i dont want any now! lets just drop er'. If you want to talk to snow about HS do it in a pm, thanks guys! 

[Cody Gruchow]

not to step on anyones toes, but this topic was opened up pertaining to heavy shot and to talk about it. i take any info from snow and i use it, because he knows more than i do. i took his word for heavy shot and i bought some and i love the stuff, it folds the birds right up. now is he or i saying that you "have" to buy heavy shot no but dont knock it until you try it out.

[GRIZ]

Not meaning to side track this any but having handloaded since I was still in elementary school I have studied the energy and ballistics of various pellets. Throughout this it really don't make that much of a difference ballistic wise other than the fact that some metals pattern better than others. It seems the softer the metal the lower percentage of pellets to pattern. I have little info on some of the newer shots such as hevi shot. What I do have tells me to make thing equal you would compare #4 hevishot to #3 lead and #1 steel. In 1 1/4 oz the pellet count for these 134, 135, 129 in the same order. I have no energy on the data for hevi but the lead has a foot-lb rating of 5.6 where as steel is at 5.9 at 30 yds. At 60 yds lead takes the lead with 2.7 over 2.6ft/lbs. Now considering that at 60 yds lead will put 30% of it's pellets in a 30 inch cicle  vs a 50% pellets of steel. Which one are you better off useing?

I'm just assuming that the down range energy for #4 hevi would be the similar to #3 lead and #1 steel. Just a matter of how they pattern. Thats it in a nutshell. There are other thing that can play into it like temp, humidity and elevation but thats so technical I don't even slook at that.

[Go Big Red!]

I'm not knocking it or any other brand.  I have been shooting for 20+ years now and I have tried many loads.  I am pleased with shooting the Kent and I don't feel the need to switch or try a new load.  I'm sure I will have better down range power with Hevi, but that takes me out of my comfort zone with what I feel will cleanly kill a bird.  If I feel that I cannot have a clean killing shot, then I hold off. 

Again, not knocking Hevi or anyone's brand or how or when you shoot.  Just providing my insight.

[snow]

Red,makes sense to me,if its not broke why fix it? Its good that some folks know their effective range,here are some energy specs~note the difference in pellet size,keep in mind that#2 gives you more pellets on target.

Q: What is the foot pound of energy for both a HEVI-Shot® #2 and a HEVI-Metal™ both with a velocity of 1550 feet per second and at a range of 40 yards?

A:

Yards
 #2 HEVI-Shot® Pellet Steel BB Pellet
40 10.6 9.7
50 8.6 7.6
60 7.0 6.0

[Go Big Red!]

Those are good numbers.  Thanks for the info Snow!!!!

[GRIZ]

Snow do you have any data on pellet count in a 30" circle at those distances?

[snow]

Griz~ what are you doing up so early and not in the blind? We had some data posted on "hevi shot.com" awhile back under hevi shot faq's,40yds out to 70yds,tests results with different shot sizes and chokes.

Tim

[Cody Gruchow]

hevi metal did its job yesterday on the geese. 3inch BB. folded both of them and they never moved again. folded another goose this morning and used #2 hevi shot 3inch on 3 drake mallards this morning. and the guy i usually hunt with set-up in the feild right above the marsh and he only got 1 goose and 1 wood duck and the wood duck was banded.

[snow]

Thats good to here Cody,birds in my area pulled out last week,never pulled the trigger,week before we aere knee deep in woodies...I did here alot of shooting from the guys hunting water,figured the divers were pushed down from fridays weather/snow storm.

Let us know the history on that woodie,I would like to here where and when it was banded.

Tim

[Tyler Rother]

Went out Saturday in the Lonsdale area and shot our limit in Ringers, Mallards, and a few Bills.


Actually tried Hevi... I was impressed at a 80 yard shot I had. *hats off to snow for pushing it* 

[Flyway Customs]

Tried it a couple of times but we shoot way to much, and it would be way to expensive for me to shoot it all the time. everybody has a certain type of shelll that they love to use me i love federal prem BB 3.5" ahahh.  and #2s

[snow]

Way to go DH,thanx for the nod...

[snow]

flyway,welcome to MNO,I see you have been busy on the site,good job.Sounds like you are a perfect canidate for hevi metal, for $20/box you won't have to shoot so much if you are hitting the target  When folks tell me they shoot to much its either they're bad shots or they're taking follow up shots on the same bird and/or swatting cripples...This won't happen with this load,besides we can only take 6 ducks and 2 geese here,how can one "shoot to much?"

Tim

[fubar]

 

[Cody Gruchow]

he is suggesting an ammo...on a ammo topic...