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A 2002 decision by the Minnesota Supreme Court has resulted in DNR  :police: officers playing cat-and-mouse with ice anglers who fish illegally.

By DOUG SMITH, Star Tribune

Last update: February 10, 2010 - 6:40 AM



Kyndell Harkness, Star Tribune




Nearly eight years after the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that anglers have the same privacy rights in an ice fishing shelter as they do in their homes, Minnesota's conservation officers play cat-and-mouse with some who use the ruling to fish illegally.

Before the 2002 decision, officers stepped into ice houses uninvited after knocking and announcing who they were. Anglers fishing with too many lines or keeping too many fish often were caught red-handed.

But the court ruling was a game-changer. Justices said officers need permission -- or a search warrant -- to enter an ice fishing house, the same as they would a home.

Most anglers still welcome officers inside their winter shelters, because most are abiding by the rules. But some agree to open their doors only after making officers wait a few moments -- possibly to hide illegal activity. It's uncertain how much of that takes place now or whether there are more violations occurring because of the court ruling.

Officers simply don't know what's going on behind closed doors. But they regularly encounter cases that underscore the problem:

Conservation officer Mike Martin of St. Cloud knocked on the door of the ice fishing house on Pleasant Lake recently. "Just a minute," he was told.

Two more knocks got the same response. Finally the angler let Martin inside. He was fishing with two lines -- the legal maximum -- but a rod rested near a third hole in the ice.

"I noticed it had no line through the eyes of the rod," Martin said. "Then I saw the line on the reel was pig-tailed. When someone burns their line with a cigarette, it curls up at the end like a pig's tail. I looked down the hole and saw fishing line."

Martin picked up the line and the lure attached to it.

"He shrugged his shoulders; he knew he was caught," Martin said.

The angler was cited for fishing with too many lines, which will cost him $123 in fines and court costs.When anglers hesitate to open their doors, officers call it "being delayed," and they say it's fairly common.

"I would say I'm delayed entering a fish house every other day," Martin said. "I've never been told, 'Go away, I don't want to talk to you,' as some officers have.''

Martin said anglers fishing with too many lines simply pull the lines up or cut them before opening the door.

"It's relatively common. They delay us, then when they open the door, there'll be two lines down and another fishing pole sitting there with a minnow wiggling. There's not very much you can do."

Brice Vollbrecht, a conservation officer in Blackduck, was checking anglers on Upper Red Lake recently when he pulled up to a fish house on his snowmobile. Through a window, he saw the angler quickly moving from hole to hole inside.

"I knocked and he let me in right away," he said. "I asked him how many lines he was fishing with, and he said two." But then Vollbrecht noticed black braided line floating in two of the holes.

"I pulled them up and he admitted to cutting the lines before answering the door. He said fishing was slow, so he was trying more lines." Other anglers with too many lines claim they were just checking water depth or wanted to try different colored lures, Vollbrecht said. He said about one in 20 anglers he checks delay his admittance to their ice fishing shelters.

"It makes it a lot more difficult; they can hide so much stuff in a short time." But, he said, "I've never had anyone refuse to let me in." And anglers must show officers their fishing licenses, if asked.

About half the DNR's 140 field officers -- including Vollbrecht and Martin -- have been hired since the 2002 decision, said Jim Konrad, DNR enforcement chief. That means they never experienced the old method of walking in on anglers without permission. Konrad was a conservation officer patrolling the Lake Minnetonka area at the time.

"That [ruling] was very frustrating for many of us," Konrad said. "Afterwards, rarely a day went by where I wasn't denied access. People are getting away with violations who, in the past, we'd have the opportunity to catch."

But it's difficult to determine the ramifications of the ruling, he said. "Fishing citations have remained pretty stable, but angling has increased over the past seven years," he said. The DNR doesn't know if there's been a measurable effect on the fish population in lakes.

"It would be hard to quantify," Konrad said.

Konrad said he still disagrees with the ruling. "There was no expectation of privacy [in an ice shack]," he said. Anglers fish on public waters and participate in a highly regulated activity.

Scott Fritz was the conservation officer who cited an angler on Circle Lake near Faribault in 2001, which triggered the court case. The angler was cited for having three lines in the water and for having a small amount of marijuana. His attorney challenged the law, saying Fritz violated his constitutional right to privacy. The state Supreme Court eventually agreed.

"It's not for me to say if the decision was right or wrong, but I can understand how the ruling went the way it did," said Fritz, a 25-year DNR veteran who now patrols near La Crescent, Minn. "Once we started putting bunks and stoves and everything else [in an ice house], it wasn't just a shelter to get out of the wind and snow anymore. I understand how the court could determine they were temporary places of abode. But it definitely has been a hindrance for us.

"We're doing the best we can to enforce the laws. Is it adequate? That has yet to be determined."
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I've had co's knock on my door while I was sleeping and the delay for me is getting dressed.  Id be very angry if one walked in on me unannounced while I was sleeping

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Personally I have no problem with them walking in. I would rather they bust the cheaters and clearly this law makes it hard for them to do that.

The only reason this law is in the books is because they walked in on a guy - I think he was an attorney - getting stoned. The CO decided he was going to bust him for the pot. And then of course the attorney did what attorneys often do - made sure the rules didn't apply to him.
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Fawk  -I think your correct. On our lake ...certain people put their houses together, and all day and night, you see different cars coming to the 4 or 5 houses, and then throughout the day they switch, it's like shifts of fisherman. We called the DNR out many times, but the just simply doni't answer the door, when he goes back to make the call for a warrant, they leave the lake through private property. I've seen their buckets full of fish, I am all for the no knock policy. Doesn't bother me, I abide by the rules. DNR/Government can't afford enough officers to enforce the rules, why put a block in front of the officers they have ?

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I have heard of CO's checking people as they come off of the lake . Not checking liscences either ,I am talking strip searching their portables and equipment bags. I have never been checked on the ice and I got checked 4 -5 times last year . after teh first time one a lake I usually just get "glassed" by the CO and if I am lookin legal he just waves from a distance, ( note that this is when I am with my young son not a pontoon full of partiers!
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If you believe that the DNR should be able to just walk into you fish"house", then you must think it's ok for the Police(government) to enter your home without permission? After all, this is America, we have a right to privacy.This is a subject has no room for anyone spin it for or against.It's or right. :USA:  :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred:
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I enjoy privacy, but if it gets the poachers off the ice, I'm all for it. Oh, and watch for the new thing, Meth Labs on the Ice. crap like that is what makes me sway for the no knock policy.


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If you believe that the DNR should be able to just walk into you fish"house", then you must think it's ok for the Police(government) to enter your home without permission? After all, this is America, we have a right to privacy.This is a subject has no room for anyone spin it for or against.It's or right. :USA:  :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred: :USA: :dancinred:

Well that's what the courts decided. I think it's more akin to checking you in your boat.
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boogityn,
What about privacy on privat land.  Do you want the CO's bared from privat land?
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Big difference between entering your home or fishhouse and accessing your land.Concealment.(think I spelt that wrong,oh well). Our local DNR officials should come on our lakes and woods not with the goal of writing as many tickets as they can, rather to uphold the law. We here in America are also innocent until proven guilty. I don't want anyone cooking meth on our lakes or on anywhere in our great country. We all have to learn how to TRUST.15 years ago my wife and I were really enjoying each others company in our fishhouse, when the door flew open, then your fishhouse doors could not be locked from the inside, I don't know who was more suprised.The DNR man chewed my a$@, he had no right to chew but. They must trust the people, sadly it's very dificult to. When people make repeated trips to thier fishhouses,we like to assume thier up to nogood. Until there is Proof, we must think what is going on is leagal .not easy to do.
         I believe with a boat,If the DNR ask to look in your live well,you can tell him no,but all the officer needs is probable cause. Body language falls under probable cause. Hard to believe people would risk thier boat or anything for that matter,for a couple extra fish.
         I'm quit certian that a huge majority will take the knock on the door over the old law.Remember,This is AMERICA, come on people,There's alot of people on this forum alone that support the NRA. People want to take your guns, It's your right to have them. Our government gave us back our right to privacy. I just can't believe anyone would want to give it back.WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN! :USA: Best wishes to all in your hunting and fishing outings, and try to take children hunting and fishing to show them the right way. Thanks for time :nerd:
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Big difference between entering your home or fishhouse and accessing your land.Concealment.(think I spelt that wrong,oh well). Our local DNR officials should come on our lakes and woods not with the goal of writing as many tickets as they can, rather to uphold the law. We here in America are also innocent until proven guilty. I don't want anyone cooking meth on our lakes or on anywhere in our great country. We all have to learn how to TRUST.15 years ago my wife and I were really enjoying each others company in our fishhouse, when the door flew open, then your fishhouse doors could not be locked from the inside, I don't know who was more suprised.The DNR man chewed my a$@, he had no right to chew but. They must trust the people, sadly it's very dificult to. When people make repeated trips to thier fishhouses,we like to assume thier up to nogood. Until there is Proof, we must think what is going on is leagal .not easy to do.
         I believe with a boat,If the DNR ask to look in your live well,you can tell him no,but all the officer needs is probable cause. Body language falls under probable cause. Hard to believe people would risk thier boat or anything for that matter,for a couple extra fish.
         I'm quit certian that a huge majority will take the knock on the door over the old law.Remember,This is AMERICA, come on people,There's alot of people on this forum alone that support the NRA. People want to take your guns, It's your right to have them. Our government gave us back our right to privacy. I just can't believe anyone would want to give it back.WHAT A GREAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN! :USA: Best wishes to all in your hunting and fishing outings, and try to take children hunting and fishing to show them the right way. Thanks for time :nerd:

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I'd have to say I'm with boog on this one.  and yes sign him up for the political forum.
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boogityn,
Great post.  I'm with you on all points.  Just for discussion, I wonder if a CO has to knock before looking in a ground blind?  Hummmm
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I have a hard time applying the same rights to a shack on the ice as to a residential home... on the ice it is assumed that you are fishing in your shack for a controlled species which you must be licensed for and follow the guidlines. you buy a license drag your shack out and fish. a "house" is taxed, deeded and heavily regulated as to the wheres and how and whats.. I don't see how one is the same as the other. just like the dnr can wander on you property stand below your stand and ruin your opening morning..or they stumble into you blind... or motor up to your honey hole they have proven they have little regard to when they check.. I don't agree with the dnr's tactics, personally I think they're heavy handed. seizing a mans rifle over a pile of corn (excessive).. if we take this scenario and spin it a bit.. why aren't they seizing ice houses and vexilars over extra lines? who determines that cheating while taking one species is less punshable then cheating while taking another? each species is as regulated as the other...
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