rumor?? jeter and morneau tied?

[JohnWester]

word is that there was a tie for the AL MVP voting.

[Outdoors Junkie]

So we might have co-mvp's?

[ScottPugh]

Maybe you are talking about the 14 writers on ESPN had them 7 1st place each.

IN NOW WAY should Jeter win the MVP.  Morneau beat Jeter in most the stats.  If you take Jeter away from NY you have the other 8 ALL STARS.  You take Morneau away from MN and you have Matt Lecroy playing 1B.

Jeter
R - 118
H - 214
2B - 39
3B - 3
HR - 14
RBI - 97
BA - 343
OBP - 417
SLG - 483
OPS - 900

Morneau
R - 97
H - 190
2B - 37
3B - 1
HR - 34
RBI - 130
BA - 321
OBP - 375
SLG - 559
OPS -  934

[jigglestick]

i dunno scott,  looking at the stats you posted, jeter's numbers were higher in 6 out of 10 catagories here  ???

[JohnWester]

Jeter                 Morneau
R - 118             R - 97
H - 214             H - 190
2B - 39             2B - 37
3B - 3               3B - 1
HR - 14             HR - 34
RBI - 97            RBI - 130
BA - 343           BA - 321
OBP - 417        OBP - 375
SLG - 483        SLG - 559
OPS - 900        OPS -  934

[ScottPugh]

BA - Jeter
Runs - Jeter - By 21
HR - Morneau - By 20
RBI - Morneau - By 33

They always say who was more important to their team.  The NYY still won when they lost Sheffield and the other guy.  MN doesn't win 15 games that they did without Morneau.

[ScottPugh]

The right guy won the MVP...  Morneau beat Jeter...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2670876

Morneau edges Jeter to win AL MVPESPN.com news services


 
 Jeter
 
 Morneau

NEW YORK -- Minnesota's Justin Morneau edged the New York Yankees' Derek Jeter to win the American League's Most Valuable Player Award on Tuesday.

Morneau received 15 first-place votes, eight seconds, three thirds and two fourths for 320 points in voting by a panel of the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Jeter got 12 firsts, 14 seconds, one fourth and one sixth for 306 points.

The other first-place vote went to Twins pitcher Johan Santana, who was seventh overall with 114 points.

It was the 16th-closest MVP race since the current format began in 1938 and the 10th closest in the AL.

Morneau hit .321 with 34 homers and 130 RBI, helping the Twins win the AL Central for the fourth time in five years. Jeter batted .344 with 14 homers and 97 RBI, finishing three points behind the Twins' Joe Mauer, who became the first catcher to win an AL batting title.

30-HR, 120-RBI seasons
in Twins history
Player  Season  HR  RBI 
Justin Morneau  2006  34  130 
Harmon Killebrew  1969  49  140 
Harmon Killebrew  1962  48  126 
Harmon Killebrew  1961  46  122 

The only players other than Morneau and Jeter to be named on every ballot were Boston Red Sox designated hitter David Ortiz, who ranked third with 193 points, and Chicago White Sox right fielder Jermaine Dye, who was fifth with 156 points. Oakland Athletics DH Frank Thomas, who was on 26 ballots and had 174 points, was fourth. Rounding out the top 10 were Mauer, Cleveland Indians DH Travis Hafner, Los Angeles Angels right fielder Vladimir Guerrero and Detroit Tigers shortstop Carlos Guillen. In all, 33 players received votes.

Morneau became the second Canadian-born player to win an MVP following Colorado's Larry Walker in 1997. Morneau is the fourth Minnesota player to win -- Zoilo Versalles earned the honor in 1965, Harmon Killebrew in 1969 and Rod Carew in 1977.

Earning just $385,000 in just his third season as a regular, Morneau was a relative bargain. Philadelphia's Ryan Howard, voted NL MVP on Monday, made $355,000.

Ortiz earned a $100,000 bonus for finishing third in the voting and Thomas, who left the Athletics last week to sign with Toronto, got a $100,000 bonus for placing fourth. Dye gets $60,000 for winding up fifth.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

 

[JohnWester]

I guess I don't know crap about baseball.

Morneau awful choice for AL MVP

posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006  |  Print Entry

I think all carping about the NL MVP voters getting their choice wrong must immediately cease. The AL's voters couldn't even correctly identify the most valuable Twin, never mind wrapping their heads around a whole league.

The reality of baseball is that a great offensive player at an up-the-middle position is substantially more valuable than a slightly better hitter at a corner position. And when that up-the-middle player is one of the best fielders at his position in baseball, there's absolutely no comparison. Joe Mauer was more valuable than Justin Morneau this past season. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the first thing about baseball.

Mauer had a 54-point edge in OBP over Morneau, which overwhelms the advantage Morneau had in slugging percentage (a 52-point edge). But Mauer won the Gold Glove for his position this past year, and he is arguably the best-fielding catcher in the game when you consider all aspects of catching. Catchers who field and hit the way Mauer does are extremely valuable, just as shortstops who hit like Derek Jeter does and play passable defense are extremely valuable. First basemen who hit like Morneau just shouldn't win MVP awards in years when there are Mauers and Jeters and other candidates to choose from.

Even by the counting stats that the dinosaur voters have favored for as long as the MVP award has existed, Morneau's season wasn't all that impressive. He tied for 12th in the AL in homers. He was second in RBI -- seven behind David Ortiz -- and just nine ahead of the least clutchy player to ever be clutch, Alex Rodriguez. He was seventh in batting average, a few miles south of Mauer and Jeter, the other major MVP candidate. It's hard to fathom why any voter would put Morneau at the top of his ballot with so many obviously better candidates -- Mauer, Jeter, Ortiz, Jermaine Dye, the unanimous Cy Young Award winner Johan Santana, or the criminally neglected Carlos Guillen (the best player on the AL pennant winner) -- and in reality, more than half of the voters did just that. If you don't watch the games, fellas, don't fill out your ballots.

Incidentally, the following voters should be removed from the voting process permanently:

• The guy who put Jeter sixth.
• The guy who put Mauer 10th ... and the five guys who left him off their ballots entirely.
• The three guys who put Frank Thomas second.
• The guy who put A.J. Pierzynski 10th.

And while we're at it, how the heck did Thomas -- the third-best designated hitter in the American League -- end up fourth in the voting? It's just more evidence that the bulk of this year's voters don't understand what is actually valuable in baseball: Players who hit and play good defense up the middle are the most valuable position players in the game. The NL only had one such candidate this year (Carlos Beltran), so it's understandable that that award went to a corner bat. It's time for some of these voters to put their fantasy-baseball mentality -- one that assumes that RBI measure something important and that OBP is a hip-hop song from the early 1990s -- aside and to take the MVP vote seriously again.

 

[Ryan]

I guess I am with you and don't know crap either.  I am so sick of hearing about Derek Jeter.  I personally think he is a below average fielder at his position and his offensive numbers don't really jump out at you.  Mauer did have a good year, but I don't remember him getting nearly as many clutch hits as Morneau did.

[Outdoors Junkie]

Jeter's not even the best short stop on the Yankees.  A-Rod may have had a poor year at 3rd base for NY,  everyone knows he is a better short stop then Jeter.  He has more gold gloves playing short then Jeter.  The only reason Jeter has won gold gloves, is because his biggest competition is now on his team playing 3rd base.