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Offline Bufflehead

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 By Dennis Prager - Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.

He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.

First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.

Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.

Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?

Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.

So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath?

The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.

This argument appeals to all those who believe that one of the greatest goals of America is to be loved by the world, and especially by Muslims because then fewer Muslims will hate us (and therefore fewer will bomb us).

But these naive people do not appreciate that America will not change the attitude of a single American-hating Muslim by allowing Ellison to substitute the Koran for the Bible. In fact, the opposite is more likely: Ellison's doing so will embolden Islamic extremists and make new ones, as Islamists, rightly or wrongly, see the first sign of the realization of their greatest goal -- the Islamicization of America.

When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble. (End Commentary)

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Doesn't this country allow freedom of religon?  Isn't that one of the things that makes this country great?
 
This Prager is an ( Deleted the word myself),  Which Bible does the Government use? The Giedion (sp) left in all the hotel rooms, Maybe the Catholic version, How about the Luthern version. 

Who cares what bible he uses? Who cares what his religion is?  As long as he does the job he voted in to do.


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Doesn't this country allow freedom of religon?  Isn't that one of the things that makes this country great?
 
This Prager is an ( Deleted the word myself),  Which Bible does the Government use? The Giedion (sp) left in all the hotel rooms, Maybe the Catholic version, How about the Luthern version. 

Who cares what bible he uses? Who cares what his religion is?  As long as he does the job he voted in to do.




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you don't get it .
this is just the tip of the iceberg.
what rule will we change next?
we allready have taken god out of the schools.
this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
I am glad I wont be around in another fifty years. I feel sorry for my grand children if I am fortunate enough to have some.
we are so diluted now I cant hardly stand it.
diversity my ass.
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Doesn't this country allow freedom of religon?  Isn't that one of the things that makes this country great?
 
This Prager is an ( Deleted the word myself),  Which Bible does the Government use? The Giedion (sp) left in all the hotel rooms, Maybe the Catholic version, How about the Luthern version. 

Who cares what bible he uses? Who cares what his religion is?  As long as he does the job he voted in to do.


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I'm glad there are some people left that think like you.

I don't think religion has any place in schools or the government.  Nothing has caused more problems in this world than religion and I would be glad to see it all go away.

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 ??? question= 1. what do you believe in? 2. did god hurt you in school ? 3. if you were on your death bed , what would give you or your family comfort in your hour of need?  ( no family, no friends, and just nothing )  WHAT WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN?  GOD, COUNTRY, OR NOTHING ? ???  :-\

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Does it matter to you what I believe in?  I will tell you that I believe going to church is a waste of time.  Why do we need god in school?  There are many different religions with different beliefs so to pick just one for school seems kind of silly to me.  As far as I know there is not one religion that has been proven to be correct and they are probably all messed up in certain ways.

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 ;D it does not matter, so whats wrong with haveing religion in school or government , freedom of choice  ! is it not a great country to have such a choice?


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It is great that we have that choice here.  I don't understand why we need religion in school and government.  If someone wants to learn about god they should go to church.  Why do we need god to make laws or learn things in school?

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???  thats whats so great about choices. go to school or dont! our country was founded on religion and freedom of choice (religion ) and others to boot. question= where would this country be without the ten commandments as a bases for all decent laws for decent people to live by in reasonable peace and harmony ? ???
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Kids have to go to school and don't have a choice.  If you want your kids to have god in school you can send them to a private school that does that.

Now from what you are saying, the guy that wrote the article is all wrong and it should be fine for this guy to swear on the Koran rather than the Bible.

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 :) my kids went to ps 116 all their school days and not a problem !
 now as to what i said, no the guy that wrote the article is right  as to the way of our political swearins to office it is the bible or nothing. there is no special ways or means to appease the minorites this country is about to see in our government . as we the americians  of the blood that settled this bitter piece of question religion and government or government and no religion and see what kind of disaray we will have as a country divided !   :(  :o :
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So there is freedom of religion as long as it only applies to certain situations?  This guy does not believe in the bible so what good does it do for him to swear on it?  I think the country would be just fine with no religion in the government.

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 :) religion is like politics, republicans and demacrates !  two differant  but both the same for a good cause. if there was only one religion would that mean it is right for everone?  ???
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Hrere's a bit more about this upstanding young fellow: from Wikepedia:

Farrakhan and Nation of Islam ties

Questions about Ellison's involvement with the Nation of Islam arose during his 2006 campaign. After winning the Democratic party nomination in May, he wrote a letter to the local Jewish Community Relations Council where he reportedly "asserted that his involvement with the Nation of Islam had been limited to an 18-month period around the time of the Million Man March in 1995, that he had been unfamiliar with the Nation of Islam's anti-Semitic views during his involvement with the group, and that he himself had never expressed such views."[12] In this letter, Ellison denounced the Nation of Islam and Farrakhan, writing "I wrongly dismissed concerns that they [Farrakhan remarks] were anti-Semitic. They were and are anti-Semitic and I should have come to that conclusion earlier than I did."[6] He explained his previous views, saying that he, "did not adequately scrutinize the positions and statements of the Nation of Islam, Lous Farrakhan, and Khalid Muhammed"[13]. He also stated that "any kind of discrimination and hate are wrong. This has always been my position"

The Pioneer Press, however, stated that, "the assertion of an 18-month affiliation does not entirely sum up his relationship with the organization."[14]

While a law student in 1989 and 1990, Ellison wrote several columns as Keith E. Hakim in the student newspaper, the Minnesota Daily. "The first article defended Louis Farrakhan against accusations of antisemitism,"[15] and "defends Nation of Islam spokesman Khalid Abdul Muhammad, and speaks in the voice of a Nation of Islam advocate."[12]. The second column "called affirmative action a 'sneaky' form of compensation for slavery, suggesting instead that white Americans pay reparations to blacks,"[15] and the third suggested the creation of a separate state for black residents[16][17].
In 1995, Ellison, writing an editorial as Keith X. Ellison, stated that Farrakhan is not an anti-Semite[18][19].
In 1995 Ellison was identified as a member of the Nation of Islam in the Star Tribune.[20].
In 1997, when Joanne Jackson, executive director of the Minneapolis Initiative Against Racism (MIAR), allegedly said that, "Jews are among the most racist white people", Ellison, using his religious name Mohammed, read a statement supporting her on behalf of the The Minneapolis-St. Paul Study Group of the Nations of Islam: "[We] stand by Ms. Jackson. We stand by the truth contained in the remarks attributed to her, and by her right to express her view without sanction. Here is why we support Ms. Jackson: She is correct about Minister Farrakhan. He is not a racist. He is also not an anti-Semite. This widespread and unfair practice of whites sanctioning Blacks for not denouncing Minister Farrakhan represents a racist double standard, and is an impediment to any honest dialogue about race. If Black people are to ever possess a collective sense of self-respect and self-determination, they must not genuflect whenever powerful whites make the unreasonable demand to denounce Minister Farrakhan. Minister Farrakhan said he did not like the tension between the Black and Jewish communities, and that he was open to dialoge with any groups as long as they did not set any conditions."[21][22][12] Ellison later claimed "While some at that meeting justified her comments, I spoke out in favor of increased dialogue between the Jewish and African-American communities."[13][23]
In 1998, during his Minnesota State Legislature House campaign, as Keith Ellison-Muhammad he said he had an affiliation with the Nation of Islam, but "rejected anti-Jewish attitudes".[24][25].
In 2006, he stated that his association with the Nation of Islam was limited to 18 months in the mid-1990s.[26] He also also stated that he was never a member of the Nation of Islam, but only worked with it to organize the Minnesota contingent to the Million Man March.[15][12]
Despite his work with the Nation of Islam, Ellison has been backed by the publisher of The American Jewish World, a local Twin Cites newspaper.[2][27]

CAIR support

Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), flew to Minneapolis for an Aug. 25 fundraiser for Ellison.[15] Republican opponent Alan Fine criticized Ellison for accepting campaign contributions from CAIR leaders. Ellison accepted thousands of dollars from Nihad Awad and other leaders of CAIR, which Fine calls "a group that Democrats say has deep ties to terrorism". The Fine campaign quotes Sens. Charles Schumer, D-NY, and Dick Durbin, D-Ill. alleging CAIR's "ties to terrorism" and "its association with groups that are suspect.". Many conservatives and Jewish groups say CAIR is rooted in the Hamas movement and that its leaders also secretly support Hezbollah in Lebanon. Ellison in the past has called Awad an acquaintance. Republicans began this line of attack shortly after the primary.[28]

CAIR leaders Parvez Ahmed and Nihad Awad wrote "We are proud of our personal donations to Ellison's campaign" and derided any 'guilt by association' arguments.[29] For the first time as a paid advertisement, CAIR began showing their "Not in the Name of Islam" video in Minnesota. Communications Director of CAIR-Florida Ahmed Bedier is coordinating the ad campaign. Independence Party candidate Tammy Lee has also accused CAIR of having secret ties to Hamas.[30]

Ellison traveled to Florida in October 2006 on a fundraising tour that "included a party hosted by Altaf Ali, CAIR's state director there".[30][14] The party had a suggested donation of $100.[31]

Two days after the election, CAIR announced Ellison as a keynote speaker at CAIR's annual banquet in Virginia less than two weeks later.[32] According to a CAIR press release, this would be Ellison's first major post-election address.

According to a Nov. 13, 2006 story by the Star Tribune, Ellison said he “would not be the keynote speaker at the annual banquet for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)”. Acknowledging that “His appearance had already been announced by CAIR…Ellison said it [the apparently mistaken announcement] was the result of a ‘natural, normal miscommunication.’”[33] Though Ellison was not able to attend the event in person he sent a videotaped message[34], which can be viewed at this link Keith Ellison's address.

Nonpayment of fines and taxes

Early in Ellison's campaign, his driver's license was suspended for failure to pay multiple tickets and fines. When asked how many times his license has been suspended, he said, "I don't know how many prior suspensions I've had; I don't keep count."[26]

Ellison also failed to pay all or part of his income taxes five separate years between 1992 and 2000, forcing the state and Internal Revenue Service to put liens on his home. He later paid in excess of $18,000.[35][2]

Campaign finance violations

Campaign finance has also been an issue for Ellison. In early 2006, the Minnesota State Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board reprimanded Ellison for unreported contributions, discrepancies in cash balances, and misclassified disbursements. These transgressions occurred in the years 2002-2004. In 2005 when the board tried to get more information about the problems in Ellison's reports, they got no response from Ellison or his treasurer (his wife Kim). When the board heard nothing, they opened the investigation. Ellison was subpoenaed and fined. [36] [37] The board has also fined Ellison numerous times for late filings. [38] According to Katherine Kersten writing in the Star Tribune, he has been sued twice by the attorney general and has been warned numerous times for absent or incomplete disclosure. [26][15][39][40]


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He sounds like a very nice, honest guy.  NOT!!!  It seems he makes quite a habit out of lying.
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did anybody catch Don Shelby's point of view last night on WCCO news?
he just about made me puke.
his take on this guy taking the oath on the koran instead of the bible made me want to jump through the television and choke the living crap out of him.
 >:(
he isn't going to win any popularity contests with those comments.
I would love to see his email box today.
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So I guess we all agree now that all Muslims are terrorists and freedom of religion is good as long as it is your religion.

That is obviously not my opinion, but it seems to be where this is going.
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I'm ashamed to be from Minnesota, the state who's people elected a Muslim, Islamic to office

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did anybody catch Don Shelby's point of view last night on WCCO news?
he just about made me puke.
his take on this guy taking the oath on the koran instead of the bible made me want to jump through the television and choke the living s*** out of him.
 >:(
he isn't going to win any popularity contests with those comments.
I would love to see his email box today.
But that is the whole point, he IS going to win a popularity contest! The media very seldom talks counterpoint to mainstream listeners, we are the minority in our banter, the tv is simply a brainwashing tool for those that are trying to implement the new world order. I only watch the local or national news once ever couple of months, or I would always need to buy a new tv after I shoot it. And then I would be the bad guy and the neighbors would call the cops because I disturbed their peace.

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did anybody catch Don Shelby's point of view last night on WCCO news?
he just about made me puke.
his take on this guy taking the oath on the koran instead of the bible made me want to jump through the television and choke the living s*** out of him.
 >:(
he isn't going to win any popularity contests with those comments.
I would love to see his email box today.
But that is the whole point, he IS going to win a popularity contest! The media very seldom talks counterpoint to mainstream listeners, we are the minority in our banter

I dont believe that for a minute.

if you believe that, you better start buying gold and burying it.  while your at it, buy tons of garden seeds, amunition and weapons and bury them as well. if your prophecies are true, we will all be in trouble.
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 AAAMEN, AAAmen, AAAAmen, amen, amen  to that !  :( days ahead.
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jigglestick, what part don't you believe? I do not know what Shelby's point was, I didnot see it. I am assuming he thought it was okay to do the Koran thing, is that right? You don't think the politicos and media are all in bed together? I am thinking you consider yourself a middleclass American. Is your standard of living going up or down. Soon there will be no middleclass, only very rich and poor. If you are going up, great, but most I know are going the opposite. That is exactly the goal of the upper echelon of society. They take the fruits of the workers and throw them a few crumbs. I'm not talking about all of the wealthy, but most are money grabbing, power seekers. What I know for a fact is I have to work more to be able to hunt and fish less. What the media and government is doing is called psyops. Just what do you think Shelby's point was? That certainly wasn't his personal opinion formost ,but the view of WCCO. He may or may not agree with it. But you can bet he will report what they tell him to say or else he would need to find a new job. And that is a good idea you have, maybe not burying it, but when TSHTF having a little stored wouldn't hurt. I plan on having a little ammo stored up just in case the muslims or any one else trys to take more of my freedoms away. Think about this, Isn't it more than a little strange first we have the deal with the prayers at the airport and several days later this? I don't know, am I just a paranoid conspiracy nut?

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This new congressman will get his wish, there are to many chicken chits in our capital to stand up against a career wrecking machine that has put him in power in the first place.

Not one person on the hill will stand up and say no it won't happen on my watch, sure they will all banter that they won't let it happen be hind closed doors or when the media isn't taping them.

But in the end, no one will stop it!!

We as America have a history or reacting, not proacting.
Look at our own Revolution,the Civil War,Spanish American War,Pearl Harbor,Hitler,Korea,Bay of Pigs,Vietnam,Central America,Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Not one conflict was a strike to stop something but a strike after we had our nose bloodied!

He will get his Koran one way or another because our government is to afraid to stand up against the media and their bleeding heart followers.

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PFF, the part about him winning the popularity contest is the part I dont believe.
to believe that you must think that the majority of the people condone what is being crammed down our throats lately.
either that or you believe that the sheeple in the cities (those withing viewing distance of WCCO) outnumber common sense, level headed true redblooded americans.by sheeple I am saying those poor lost souls who cant for one minute think for themselves and need a mentor to help them decide which side  of their toast to butter. how many believe that Don Shelby is a goat for the station he works for?
he has more money and credentials then anyone over there probably in the history of the station. he is not worried about loosing his job.
he may however be so brainwashed by all this political correctness that he actually believes what he says? that is my take on this.

and by the way, I would like to start talking Ice fishing, but all this crap keeps coming up......so, if nobody minds, can we get on with the things that are truely important here.
maybe I should start a contest......



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Jiggle
This is a political board. If you wish to discuss icefishing I know this site has plenty of fishing forums. I myself like politics but NOT ICE FISHING way to boring for me that is why I never go to the fishing forums. Just remember you don't have to click on the forum for which you have no intrest in.

As for my opinion on this subject:

What are our men and women serving in Iraq for? Tell them that IN GOD WE TRUST means nothing and they are fighting just for the sport. America now stands for the Koran and Muslim beliefs. From what I have read In all the history books I think our forefathers would turn in their graves right about now. Will you see a civil war in this country?....... I know for one thing I will stand with anyone who still believes in preserving this great nation and foundation of which this great nation stands for.
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Jiggle
This is a political board. If you wish to discuss icefishing I know this site has plenty of fishing forums. I myself like politics but NOT ICE FISHING way to boring for me that is why I never go to the fishing forums. Just remember you don't have to click on the forum for which you have no intrest in.
 

Vickie, WOW!
thank you for pointing that out. I would have never guessed.
it's is just getting a little old.
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