Ammo rebates~

[snow1]

Once in a while we get a chance to save some cash which is a good thing,so effective august 1st I here Hevi Shot will be offering discounts on they're Hevi Metal ammo,both in case lots and also per box (3 box limit) these rebates won't be offered in stores,only online or at hunting shows or if ya know someone (like me).

So,any of you that are interested shoot me a PM.

Waiting to here what the dollar amount is,but it all helps.

[beeker]

usually at the case lot level there is a 10% discount from Fleetfarm/gander mountain/cabelas

[snow1]

I just bought a bunch of AA target loads from gander,they are giving us a 5% discounts on flats but you need to ask for it,then another $2/box from winchester in rebates,pretty good deal these days when ammo prices keep climbing.

So,in addition to in house discounts we get a rebate for purchasing hevi metal.

[snow1]

Hot off the press~

$25/case two max per house hold($50 or $5/box with a 3 box limit.

[The General]

How much are these usually per box/case?

[Cody Gruchow]

i wanna say they are 27.99 the last time i looked or somewhere around that ball park. they are nice loads though, i use them alot these past 2 years.

[snow1]

$21/box for 3" loads @ Joes,they compete price wise with BC and Blindside.Dang ammo sure gets expensive.

[The General]

Do you guys who use this ammo really feel it makes that much of a difference for the price?  When I hunted waterfowl I would buy a case of Kent's, Winchester, Federal, or Remington steel with the 1550 fps 3 1/2 inch for $100 to $120 a case(Seemed each year Cabelas had a different brand on sale).  I would then equip a Patternmaster choke tube and kill more and farther away birds then my buddy using his BlackCloud shells.  We used to go to Canada and bring back 300 ducks and geese at at time for our group. 

[snow1]

General,

Absolutley it makes a difference,for the serious hunter that is,guyz getting out a couple times a year and bang a few birds get by just fine with the cheap stuff,over dekes,birds 30yds off the deck anything will work just fine,steel ammo  does'nt have the down range energy to make clean shots on a consistant average beyond 45yds unless you break a wing or head shot,would drive me nuts watching birds fly 200yds and drop after feathering the bird,chokes don't make a difference either,infact most guyz up size in pellet size to compensate for the knock down energy needed for 50+yd shots,sure they killed some birds,but after how many shots and how many cripples?

What makes this ammo two steps above any of the steel ammo we have today is the way they load the shell and the pellets used.

Hevi metal is 50% steel and 50%hevishot tungsen,tungsen is heavier and more dense than steel,further they down size the tungsen pellets 2 sizes which gives you 20% more pellets in each shell.

Example,#2 hevi metal is 50% #2steel and 50%#4 tungsen,no need t up size to 3.5" ammo or run BBB or T shot with this load except for pass shooting in the wind,longer shots,besides I never liked how 12ga 3.5BB patterened outof my benelli @1500fps.

You can also use a tighter constriction choke with this ammo unlike steel unless stated by the choke company.great ammo in my book.

[The General]

Everything you says seems to make sense but when you say something like "Chokes don't make a difference"  it kind of makes me wonder how true the rest of your statements are.  The patternmaster choke tube I use for waterfowl makes a huge difference for longer shots and knock down power.  I'm by means no expert and this is just what I've experienced.  I have no scientific proof to back up my statements.  In fact with those cheep shells and the patternmaster choke tube I once separated the head from the body on a Canada goose at 25 yards.  I remember it like it was yesterday and how we were all laughing and couldn't believe what had just happened.  Killing Ducks and Snow geese at 50+ yards isn't much of a problem once you've practiced enough and can get the lead down.  However 50+ yards and knocking big Canada's down dead is another story. If these shells can do that consistently the price difference to some may be worth it. 

[snow1]

Well General,I'm not here to argue,fact is,again steel does'nt have the weight or density to maintain longer down range energy like we have in tungsen or better yet if you can afford "Hevi Shot" alone which is made up of tungsen iron,nickle and tin,best loads I have ever shot in the waterfowl world,maybe better than lead ever was back in our day.Sure you can use your pattern master and pound away with BB,BBB  and T shot IN 3.5" ammo and kill birds,BUT how many birds did ya cripple or watch fly away?(Most non toxic loads pattern best outof a modified choke fron BB's up to T shot)More than you think.You will shoot less and kill as many or more birds with this ammo in 3" if you do your job on the sending end and hit your target.All I'm saying is with hevi metal its a fact you'll have more pellets on target which= more birds in the bag.

But if you agree that pellet weight and density maintains down range energy I think you get it...Take a look at this chart and decide for yourself.

[snow1]

More chatter from around te country as we approach waterfowl season,some well informed folks chimming in,hardcore target shooters for the most part that love to hunt ducks/geese...I've spent alot of time with different chokes,ammo and payloads to matchup what works the best for my gun...This guy somes up his own theory on certain chokes...gotta agree for the most part.But every gun will pattern certain shot payloads differently,frankly knowing what I know today from many years in the field and on gun ranges,I really don't see the benifit of the 3.5" 12ga,if ya really need the Hp have a 10ga along just incase.This guy is sure fired up,kinda funny actually,he is a self proclaimed guide from washington state.

"The biggest joke in the world is a Patternmaster. Great choke for people who do not pattern a shotgun as they will have no idea it's a joke.

I love the shotstring argument. It's said that the hardest thing about shooting steel shot is the short shot string. So we are going to take a shot string that is short and hard to hit with and make it shorter??

Bottom-line? You can talk patternmaster hocus pocus all you want. It comes down to holes in the pattern plate. I don't care how they get there or in what time frame it happens.

If the holes are not there the load doesn't work. Long shot string or short shot string. I spent over 300.00 on patternmaster chokes and none of them put as many holes in the pattern paper with big shot as the briley LM did in my SP-10's or the Browning Gold 10's. I sold the chokes on Gunbroker.com to some other deluded individuals.

The pattern masters real magic is that it is an IC choke and that the average guys doesn't shoot over 40 yards and never patterns his gun.

If he does either, he finds that it's a joke in short order.

I have tried every long range choke on the market and I have never seen any "magic choke? I.E Patternmaster or Terror choke that pattern any different then any other choke of the same constriction at the same range.

The Patternmaster is a case of the Emperor's new clothes.

[The General]

 The guy you're quoting sound like a self proclaimed blow hard being paid by someone.  Go read the 4.5 stars patternmasters get on cabelas reviews from regular people like us.   The only good thing this guy says is their is no magic choke.  It still takes practice.  I once read a review from a guide that said he tells his clients not to bring their patternmasters with because they will be shooting ducks at 15 yards and they are not needed.  However if the customer insists he just calls the shot out further away.  I have shot thousands of rounds of shells through the pattern master and i love it.  I can't say their isn't anything better as I've only used third one and it works great for longer shots and not crippling up a bunch of birds.  The best part is after one case of cheap ammo it pays for itself.

[snow1]

General,

Indeed,I've read 100's of this guyz posts over the last few years,he claims to be the almighty no-it-all,just ask him....lol.

With that said,I have friends like you that swear by pattern master,however after a couple of warterfowl seasons and several hundred rds,they claim the choke wears out and opens up,have you checked your pattern after 1000's of rds? curious.

He is more from the whiz kid~

What I am saying is that there is an entire industry that is making a fortune selling people what they already have. Steel shot is extremely specific as to how it reacts to certain constrictions.

Guys have been roped into purchasing what they already own in most cases or could purchase from the factory ata fraction of the cost.

You may well have a pattern that works for you at a given range with your xwz choke. All I am saying ( and I have shot hundreds and hundred of patterns) is that the factory makes a choke that will do the same thing without a special name or tits attached to the end of your choke. That factory choke will be 1/5 the price.

P.S I am assuming you guys are aware of the tits attached to the end of some of patternmasters products?. It's designed to strip the wad and contrary to what they say, it allows the pattern to open faster, rather then keep it together longer.

What does this do? Makes for a open pattern over the decoys which makes the average hunter hit more ducks. They think it's magic but it's just a wide open choke that is easy to hit with.

[snow1]

Now his last statement makes sense,my long range choke I use for pass shooting does just the opposite of the patternmaster,it is extended,has reverse porting and straight rifling,what happens here is the rifling stops the shot wad spin as it exits the muzzel keeping the shot charge/load in the shot cup much longer making a tighter pattern down range plus hevi shot has a much denser pattern any way than steel because of the pellet weight and density.

[The General]

General,

Indeed,I've read 100's of this guyz posts over the last few years,he claims to be the almighty no-it-all,just ask him....lol.

With that said,I have friends like you that swear by pattern master,however after a couple of warterfowl seasons and several hundred rds,they claim the choke wears out and opens up,have you checked your pattern after 1000's of rds? curious.

I honestly haven't hunted waterfowl in about 8 years.  Back when I bought my patternmaster it was about one of the only things out there.  Now with so many, that is why I say I'm sure there are better things out their today (maybe not).  I just gave my experience and if I ever went back into waterfowl hunting I wouldn't hesitate to pull out the patternmaster, 3.5 inch Kent, winchester, Federal faststeel, and proceed to down Geese at 50+ yards (unless of course the price of those other shells came way down or the price of the shell I use went way up).  As far as the Wiz kids claim to the pattern opening up faster from my experience he has no idea what he's talking about.  I used to try and use my patternmaster hunting pheasants, this was a joke, as the pattern was so tight at 10-15-20 yards I would either miss or it would be a cloud of feathers and nothing left.  Now I just use the modified choke that came with the gun.