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Offline Rebel SS

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I don't think Delmation really digs unions, Glenn................. :rolleyes:

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I wonder if smurfy will cross the picket line...
nope!!! :tut: :tut: :tut: :tut: not a chance. :happy1:

Sounds like they are pretty much picketing the whole county, following plows around with picket signs.   

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I wonder if smurfy will cross the picket line...
nope!!! :tut: :tut: :tut: :tut: not a chance. :happy1:

Sounds like they are pretty much picketing the whole county, following plows around with picket signs.
:happy1: :happy1: if they do actually go out, we'll see just how good the replacements are. :confused: :rolleyes:
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We need to start a rally down here for them. PLM. Plow Lives Matter     :snow2:

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Sounded like on the one report it would be the supervisors handling the snow plowing. Interesting to see how long that lasts.

As far as the nitrate deal, anytime you get the EWG involved, it's political. They are just another liberal eviro watchdog group. If you'll recall they were front and center at publishing the website containing names of everyone who was getting government farm related payments including those of us receiving payments for CRP. Oddly enough they didn't see fit to publish any website detailing the names of people who receive public assistance or SNAP aid. :confused: The EWG is disputing the nitrate safety guideline levels that have been set by the feds. Missing from the reports I've heard and read are  the well depth info or the fact in some cases that the wells are located on the sand plains or other sensitive areas where wells are more prone to nitrate pollution due to their geology. Sorta loses some of its impact when you just cherry pick the facts supporting your agenda and outfits like The Star and Sickle readily regurgitate it. 
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Maybe they'd prefer to raise all their own food..... :evil:

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Not sure if that strike affects Duluth and some other areas.  I know Hermantown will plow their streets.  I am for their  right to strike.  However not a good idea right before a major snow storm this weekend.  I wish they would keep negotiating.  I think they only negotiated for two weeks so far.  They have a tough job and should be compensated.  Hope this strike doesn't increase traffic injuries or worse.  good luck.

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On today's news, they said it includes entire city of Duluth. Paper has this too, this morning.




DULUTH, Minn. (AP) - Union snowplow drivers are on strike in northeastern Minnesota where a winter weather advisory has been posted as snow moves into the region. Teamsters Local 320 official Brian Aldes says the strike in St. Louis County began Wednesday. Union members voted overwhelmingly Saturday to reject the county's final contract offer, citing issues over healthcare and accrued sick leave. County officials have a contingency plan to keep roads plowed. Public works supervisors and staff in other departments are licensed to operate plows. St. Louis County could see 1-3 inches of snow Wednesday, with 4 inches possible in the southern part of the county, including Duluth.

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Same with Hermantown which borders Duluth up the hill.  That's where my brother lives.  Well hope everyone stay's safe.  Will see what happen's this weekend.  Duluth streets can be a nightmare in the winter.  not so much the streets that go north and south but the one's going up and down the hills are a different story.  good luck.

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Same with Hermantown which borders Duluth up the hill.  That's where my brother lives.  Well hope everyone stay's safe.  Will see what happen's this weekend.  Duluth streets can be a nightmare in the winter.  not so much the streets that go north and south but the one's going up and down the hills are a different story.  good luck.

My guess is that Duluth has its own snowplow department, and isn't part of this strike.

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Oh, I'm sure.




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there still will be county roads in Duluth
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Ya, usually are! Leading right into town!   :rotflmao:   :bonk:
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and in town too....  we have them up here....
a bad day of fishing is still better than a good day at work!!

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Gee, only the 6th time time in the last six months I've been without power for over an hour...my electronics are really loving this sh**..  :angry2:

https://kttc.com/2020/01/15/authorities-respond-to-crash-involving-power-pole-near-rochester-athletic-club-more-than-100-without-power/
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Ya can't blame the power company for that one. :pouty:
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Nope, guess I can't. Musta been another diverse driver. It WAS a van. Prolly green with 3 hubcaps.  ;)

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and in town too....  we have them up here....

Yupper. The main streets in and out of Bugtussle are actually county roads.

Bummer on yer electricity Rebs. Glenn's pre-cooked tree rats have been leaving us alone so far in the New Year.  :happy1:
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Boy, this would be the place to have yer own generator, believe me. Starting to rank right up there with Rangoon....   :rolleyes:
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Nope, guess I can't. Musta been another diverse driver. It WAS a van. Prolly green with 3 hubcaps.  ;)

Orange.    Hit so hard it ripped the engine off the van.   
no names yet but the street looked pretty icy in the pictures.
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Elementary school kids doused as jet dumps fuel before emergency landing at LAX


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LOS ANGELES - An airplane returning to Los Angeles International Airport on Tuesday morning dropped jet fuel onto a school playground, dousing several students at Park Avenue Elementary School in Cudahy, officials said.

Delta Flight 89 - a Boeing 777 - had taken off from LAX with more than 140 passengers on board and was en route to Shanghai when it turned around and headed back to the L.A. airport.

"Shortly after takeoff, Flight 89 from LAX to Shanghai experienced an engine issue requiring the aircraft to return to LAX," Delta spokesperson Adrian Gee said. "The aircraft landed safely after an emergency fuel release to reduce landing weight."


The plane is 20 years old and makes daily flights from Los Angeles to Shanghai. In recent weeks, the plane had also made trips out of L.A. to Paris and Tokyo.

According to Flightradar24, Tuesday's flight never got above 8,000 feet, and was at about 2,300 feet when it passed over the school at 11:53 a.m. PST.

The flight is typically a 13-hour nonstop. This one lasted about 25 minutes.

At 11:47 a.m., an LAFD firefighter radioed that they were responding to a call at LAX.

"We have a Boeing triple 7, call sign Delta 89, reporting a compressor stall, 181 souls on board, 12 hours of fuel, ETA less than five minutes," an LAFD firefighter said.

When the compressor of a plane's engine stalls, it can cause the loss of airflow through an engine, which can cause the engine to fail.

Passenger Tim Lefebvre, a bass guitarist headed to China for gigs, was sitting at the front of the plane when he heard loud popping sounds.

"It was kind of right next to me," Lefebvre said. "I knew that wasn't good. The pilot came on a couple minutes later and said we were going back to LAX, and that was that."

The pilot told passengers that there had been an engine problem and that they shouldn't be alarmed if, when the plane landed, they saw firetrucks on the runway, Lefebvre said.

Everyone on board remained calm, although the flight attendant seated near Lefebvre looked concerned, he said.


"Just imagine if we had been over the Pacific a good distance," Lefebvre said. "That would not have been good."

A total of 60 patients were treated after the fuel dump, at least 20 of them children. The Los Angeles County Fire Department said more than 70 firefighters and paramedics headed to Park School Elementary, where 20 children and 11 adults were treated for minor injuries. No one was taken to the hospital. Additionally, six people at Tweedy Elementary School and six at San Gabriel Elementary in South Gate were affected, as was one adult at Graham Elementary School. L.A. City Fire treated 16 patients at Jordan High School in Long Beach and 93rd Street Elementary in Green Meadows.

LAFD spokesperson Nicholas Prange said two classes were outside Park Avenue Elementary when the liquid rained down shortly before noon. Students and staff were instructed to go indoors and remain there for the time being.

Park Avenue Elementary School sixth grader Josue Burgos was participating in physical education outside when he was surprised to feel the sensation of rain. The 11-year-old in Mariana de la Torre's class looked up to see a plane barreling down on his campus.

"We came out and we were playing, and the airplane was outside and we thought it was rain, but then we knew it was throwing gas on us, and everybody started to run," Josue said. "We went to the auditorium and we knew what happened. We went back to class. We stayed for one hour and then we went home."

Josue said fuel landed on his sweater, shirt and shorts, and the odor was immediately noticeable.

"Yeah, it smelled bad," he said. "It wasn't water."

Parent Freddie Contreras, who lives about a block away from campus, thought he saw glass crashing down outside his apartment.

Contreras raced out of the complex to find an overwhelming odor emanating not just from the roof and surrounding pavement, but from his white 2016 Honda Civic, which had been doused in fuel.

"I didn't know what I was supposed to do, and I didn't know what was going on, but I knew it was gas or something toxic," Contreras said.


While Contreras' son Mateo, a Park Avenue first grader, was unharmed, sister-in-law Yesenia Pantaja, who also lives in the complex, complained of a headache.

"It's the fuel," Contreras said. "I want to leave, but I don't know if I can drive my car. I don't know if it's safe."

While Park Avenue parent Francisco Javier was relieved that his first-grade son was inside his classroom and unaffected by the fuel dump, he was careful not to inhale too deeply.

"You should have been here when it first happened," Javier said. "You couldn't breathe it was so bad. It's still strong, but not as bad as it was."

Javier, who lives across the street from the school's main entrance, walked outside to assess the situation and observe the crowd of media, fire and police. He then headed back into his apartment to close and lock all the windows.

Sixth grader Miguel Cervantes was one of several students taking part in physical education classes outside when he was confused by what was happening.

"I saw an airplane and I thought smoke was coming out," Miguel said. "Then when it got closer, I knew it was gas because a little bit fell on me."

Miguel said that fuel hit parts of his shirt and pants and that within an hour he had been sent home.

Miguel's mother, Ana, received a call about the events and rushed over to Park Avenue.

"Just a small amount landed on my son's clothes and on his arms, but we washed him with soap and changed his clothes and he seems fine," Ana Cervantes said.


When asked if she would destroy her son's clothes out of caution, Cervantes said the measure was too drastic.

"Those are expensive clothes, we'll just wash them with soap and water," she said.

Ross Aimer, the chief executive officer of Aero Consulting Experts, said fuel dumping is very rare and is used only in case of emergencies or if pilots have to reach a safe landing weight, as was the case in Tuesday's incident.

"Most pilots choose not to dump fuel unless the emergency really dictates it," Aimer said.

A possible emergency would be nonfunctioning landing gear that would otherwise make it difficult to control the plane.

When pilots dump fuel, they typically try to do it at above 10,000 feet and over water, but ideally it should be done at higher elevation because then the fuel turns into mist and it's away from populated areas.

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the matter.

"There are special fuel-dumping procedures for aircraft operating into and out of any major U.S. airport. These procedures call for fuel to be dumped over designated unpopulated areas, typically at higher altitudes so the fuel atomizes and disperses before it reaches the ground," officials said in a statement.

An example of an unpopulated area would be an ocean, said Douglas Moss, aviation consultant and a retired United Airlines pilot.

To make an emergency landing, a pilot will try to get the airplane down to its landing weight so there are more options in case of an aborted landing attempt. How and where that fuel dump happens depends on the type of emergency, said Tom Haueter, former director of the National Transportation Safety Board's Office of Aviation Safety.


Pilots will typically alert air traffic controllers of the emergency fuel release and the air traffic controllers will try to direct the plane, said Haueter, who now serves as a consultant on aviation safety and accident investigations.

The drop will typically happen at an altitude of 5,000 feet so the fuel vaporizes before hitting the ground. But if there is a severe emergency, plans may change.

"The real key is to know what's the nature of the emergency," Haueter said.

In an emergency, the captain is "authorized to break any rule in the book," Moss said. "He still tries to adhere to as many of the rules as he can, but the bottom line is his actions must be in the best interest of safety."

Cudahy officials expressed disappointment over the incident and were demanding answers about why the fuel was dropped over the school.

Newly appointed Mayor Elizabeth Alcantar said the school was next door to Cudahy City Hall.

"I'm very upset," she said in a phone interview. "This is an elementary school, these are small children."

The incident hit a nerve in the community. Environmental injustices have long taken place in southeast Los Angeles County. For years, activists and residents fought for the closure of a battery recycling plant in the industrial city of Vernon because it emitted cancer-causing arsenic and lead, a potent neurotoxin, into nearby cities.

It was only five years ago that the plant was closed.

In the 1990s, Park Avenue Elementary School was closed for eight months because tar-like petroleum sludge began to seep up from the ground. The school was built on an old city dump site that contained petroleum-contaminated soil and several pockets of tar-like petroleum sludge.


"Why is it always our communities having to deal with the brunt of these issues?" Alcantar said.

The jet-fuel dump incident has raised questions about environmental safety and the flight path over Cudahy and other cities.

"Sadly, our entire community has been adversely impacted by this incident, including dozens of children. I am calling for a full federal investigation into the matter, and expect full accountability from responsible parties," Cudahy City Council member Jack Guerrero said.

Emergency incidents of jet fuel being dumped over populated areas have been reported across the United States in previous years.

In 2007, a 744 Dutch Royal Airlines flight to Amsterdam returned to San Francisco Airport after the pilot realized the plane's nose gear would not retract. The pilot released fuel 15,000 feet above Stanislaus County.

In 2001, jet fuel rained down on residents in Flower Mound, Texas, as an American Airlines plane flew back to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. The pilot said at the time that a warning light came on, leading to a fuel release.

Three years prior, in 1998, another American Airlines flight was involved in a similar incident in New York when 3,200 gallons of fuel were dumped over homes in Queens. The pilot said a large bird had flown into an engine under the right wing.

The Delta jet landed safely at LAX soon after dumping the fuel. Police drove behind the plane with sirens wailing as it arrived.

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Absolutely terrible.  Heads need to roll on this one. 

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Absolutely terrible.  Heads need to roll on this one.

Better than a fire ball on the runway....    But yeah, we need to know what was the emergency that they couldn't dump over the ocean.

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Absolutely terrible.  Heads need to roll on this one.

Better than a fire ball on the runway....    But yeah, we need to know what was the emergency that they couldn't dump over the ocean.

Sounds like they were closer to the airport and not over the water...........5 mns from turn around to being over the school.....I dunno, I'm not a pilot. Don't know if they head straight west or not. It is kinda stinky; smells just like kerosene to me. Had a few Jetfuel A puddles at work when the tanker would fill the underground tank for Mayo One.



According to Flightradar24, Tuesday's flight never got above 8,000 feet, and was at about 2,300 feet when it passed over the school at 11:53 a.m. PST.

The flight is typically a 13-hour nonstop. This one lasted about 25 minutes.

At 11:47 a.m.
, an LAFD firefighter radioed that they were responding to a call at LAX.

"We have a Boeing triple 7, call sign Delta 89, reporting a compressor stall, 181 souls on board, 12 hours of fuel, ETA less than five minutes," an LAFD firefighter sa
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Don't know anything about flying a plane.  The pilot was thinking about the safety of the passengers I think.  Maybe he thought He could not have the time to go over non populated areas or the ocean and then have a engine go out on him.  Well they will investigate this and we will find out.  Bad deal for sure but I think the pilot had the passengers in mind.  good luck.

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I sure wouldn't wanna fly one. Enough probs navigating the streets here!!!!!!  :rotflmao:

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I sure wouldn't wanna fly one. Enough probs navigating the streets here!!!!!!  :rotflmao:
with Mr spinkles I can see why!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :surrender: :mooning: :mooning: :rotflmao:
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CAWchester seeking answers....one thing they just don't get, is crows are smarter than the city council, and will adapt anywhere. They aren't moving. All the tall hotels they are building gives them shelter and safety from predators. Also.....and it's fact...the first thing a crow does when startled is let fly with poop. Shooting the bottle rockets and starter guns under their trees is real intelligent.... :rolleyes:
$30,000 spent and the crows are still laughing at us. 



ROCHESTER, Minn. (KTTC) -- The part-time Rochester residents and full-time mess makers - crows are back roosting in the MedCity and in big numbers.

Parks and Recreation Operations Manager Michael Schaber says Rochester has had a seasonal crow problem for several years.

"Sometimes you'll come to a smaller tree around here and there would be three to four hundred of them," Schaber said. "They're not trained to go to the bathroom in the right areas. So with all those crows comes a lot of mess."

So the million dollar question, how do you get rid of the crows? They have an entire team designated to shoo them away.

"At least two vehicles and up to four people each night from 3-11, driving around central business district looking for the crows and trying to keep them from roosting," Schaber said.

City crews go on crow patrol November to February with a variety of tools. "High powered lasers, a green light that kind of disrupts them and gets them to move for a little while," Schaber stated.

Even then, it proves to be not good enough. Parks and Recreation Landscape Technician John Munson knows a thing or two about that.

"They adapt to everything, they adapt to everything year after year so we have to consistently change it up," Munson said. "There's just some nights where they're just not gonna move."

The crow problem is a continuing battle with no end in sight. "I don't see it being a problem where there's no more crows in Rochester," Schaber said.
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