Wolves Fate in States hands!

[Mayfly]

Anyone read the article in the Pioneer Press today? I guess I don;t read the news much so this may not be new to many of you but the Wolf is off the Endangered Species list and the state of Mn/Dnr is now managing them.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/breaking_news/16883056.htm


You can now very legally shoot them under certain circumstances. Take a look at the article.

[Bufflehead]

Let me tell you, they are alive and well

 I was on my way home from my dads on Sunday morning before last on my sled. When I came upon a doe Whitetail that had been hit and couldn't get up on it's feet. She layed there and looked at me, like "Help" me...not good. I can shoot a deer with a rifle during deer season, when it's fair chase, but eye to eye is different.

 I went home and called the state patrol and asked for the warden. He said he was out of the area. I told him what was up. He said, if you have something to put the deer down with, do so.

 I took the 357 revolver up and put her down..Not Fun!!(why somebody hits a deer and just drives off too leave it suffer is beyond me!!

 In one day, half the deer was eaten by wolves, by day two, the whole deer was gone. A well worn path leading up into the woods with huge dog like tracks gave away, who had been there.

 This wolf(wolves?) has been seen by several people. It(they) is hanging around my neighbors cattle fence line. He has several cows about to calf. I told him, he needs to watch his cows. I believe this wolf(wolves) is waiting for the birth of these calves.

 I will keep you posted, if he/she does indeed get any of his new born calves.

 Wolves only kill the sick and the weak. Thats why they hamb string their pray. Then they are sick and weak, a week later,  they kill them. Back in 1996's heavy snow year. several snowmobile trails were closed in Itasca county, because of the wolf kills in several log landings. A Bio. from Grand rapids wrote a piece on it. He said, when killing is easy, wolves will kill for sport!!

 Many deer lay dead and never eaten that year

 I say, it's about time. Maybe now, the moose can begin a come back.

 We need a open lic. big game season on them. lets keep them, but also keep them in check!!

[Mayfly]

They said there will not be an open season for 5 years. After that theymay open them to trapping and hunting.

[Bufflehead]

Imagin that  ::) ::) ::)

[WoodChuck]

 ???  you know ? ive heard that wolves wont attack a human ?? but with what i have seen and read about these critters it would not suprise me at all to be in their nature. while ONLY takeing down the weak and lame, and in a good year with lots of snow like this near winter conditions. it seem almost likely that we will start to hear about attacks on humans just as southern california has had their share of couger attacks by 1 lone animal. and now with packs of these nonagressive animals to humans, what makes them any differant from a wild dog that will do just what they say the wolves wont do?  lets keep them in check and save our heards of deer and moose.  >:(

[vickieschessies]

I was driving to work 2 weeks ago and saw a pair standing right in the middle of the road. When I got closer they moved only off the road into a new pine tree plantation and looked at me. The one(assuming the male) was the largest wolf I have ever seen. I have a 140 pound male chessy and this wolf made him look dwarf. I have seen so many wolves up close it's not even funny. Neighbors have lost their dogs right on the chain tied to their garage.  In fact quite a few years back the neighbor had about 30 tame geese that he had loose on his farm and a female wolf and her pup wiped all but a handful out in 1 night, she was just teaching her pup how to hunt the DNR showed up said it was wolves but was never compinsated for his loss   >:(or at the same neighbors he has Belgian mares that had foals and there  I watched as there was 2 wolves that went after the foals and you should of seen those mares make a circle around those babies and in fact 1 of those wolves felt the furry of Belgian hooves. Or the time I had a wolf right in my duck pen and killed 3 big white ducks.  As you can tell I'm not a wolf lover at all!!!!!!!! I'm glad they are off the endangered species list. Can hardly wait for the day to hunt them!!!!!!! 
 
 
 

[bowhunter73]

For a bunch of people who are sportsmen and love the outdoors, It is starting to sound like some of us only like it when its are way. We should try to remember that the wolf was here first,we moved into its backyard!
  I for one would love to hunt them but for the challenge not just to get rid of them. I to have land in Hinckley and have seen what they can do. And I loved the chance to see a predator at its best. After all, thats what we are to the rest of the animals just another predator doing what we were made to do.
Before you judge the killer look at yourself!
I am just like the wolf you wrote about.
I kill
I eat
And I train my kids to do the same
I even hunt in packs

But don't hate me for it

[vickieschessies]

Bowhunter
just a question? Do you own livestock that you depend on for your livelyhood?

[bowhunter73]

  No
 but are family dogs up north are kept in there safe kennel by use of a electric fence. The same could be done for cattle I know it's not cheep, but if a pepson  loses all of there money they can find a way to get more. If an animal goes extinct its gone forever. I think my children and grandchildren should have the right to hunt or observe as many animals as possible
 I am not saying farmers should just deal with it. I just think there should be a happy medium.

I wish I knew what that was But i don't

[vickieschessies]

Just some info. First I have 3 stands electric fence around my cattle but that will never stop a wolf, and cattle require many acres for grazing sorry but I refuse to spend a couple hundred thousand dollars to save a 600.00 cow to feed you.  I can co-exist with a wolf as long as it does not take the food from my childrens plate!!!!!

[h2ofwlr]

 I know it's not cheep, but if a pepson  loses all of there money they can find a way to get more.

How old are you?     You ever been hungry, like no $ to buy food?  Reason I ask, you seem a bit niave'...

[bowhunter73]

 I know it's not cheep, but if a pepson  loses all of there money they can find a way to get more.

How old are you?     You ever been hungry, like no $ to buy food?  Reason I ask, you seem a bit niave'...

  No $ you ask, what do you want to hear do you want about when i was in the army and my Sargent would let me take MRE's home to feed my wife and one year old child. or the fact that one time last year my son bit into hamberger and asked what was wrong with it? Nothing was wrong we just normally cant afford it so he thinks venison in hamberger. This is life for some of us if I had a $600
cow I would eat the dam thing so don't tell me about being broke!
But even if I had $ I would still tell you $ is not what we should live by

[Mayfly]

I can co-exist with a wolf as long as it does not take the food from my childrens plate!!!!!

Could you please define the above statement.......thanks.

I have a 2 year old daughter and if I had these big bad wild wolves you speak of running around my forest I surely would not put her dinner plate out in the middle of the field

[Bufflehead]

No Mayfly..maybe like this food or this sheep herders "Dog"

[Bufflehead]

If you think this is a funny matter....maybe for some of you from the cities who have been spoon fed from PBS and the Animal Planet, on how the Wolf is this majestic creature that lives in harmony with all other animals and only eats the sick and the weak.

 Maybe you should try and scratch out a living in the rural parts of this state or any other western, midwest state. Maybe you would like to work for far less wages, try farming, raising some meat for your freezer...TO FEED YOUR FAMILY. Then have some wolf kill that meat and take for his/her own. Then look at the blood spot, where anywhere's from a week to a month's worth of wages once stood.

 We don't just go to the corner everytime our belly rumbles and get a Big Mac..McDonald's is 30 miles away.

 How long can we protect Owls, Eagles, Hawks, Wolves, Etc.?

 I haven't seen a good small game hunting population since I was a kid. Grouse numbers have never came back, like they were in the early 80s. I use to sit in the hardwoods here during deer hunting and it was nothing to see 10 to 15 Squirrels both black and gray, chasing each other, feeding on acorns..from one stand without moving. We seen near ZERO the last two years. Squirrel hunting was one of my favorite things to do on a Indian summer day. Isn't enough of them left up here to even make the effort to go.

 Maybe one should look at the studies that Delta Waterfowl had done on predators effect on nesting ducks. Predators are the number one reason for a failed hatch of young from a hen.

 As a hunter and cattle farmer, something needs to be done to keep these predators in check

[Bufflehead]

Here is some more pics of work from the good wolf

 Might I add, it takes 9 months for a cow to calf. Then it takes 205days to raise that calf to weaning weight. Thats a year and half roughly. If your lucky, that calf will bring $500-$700..As you can see, farming isn't any great money maker. It's tough enough, without having them prayed upon

[rchaze60]

QUESTION?????? ok now that they are being taken off the list how and who are going to regulate them ? The DNR  Gonna have to thin em out some how so that they dont get out of control right?

[Mayfly]

Ok...I see and hear your argument loud and clear but I don't sympathize with you. Now are you saying that we should be killing owls, eagles and hawks as well??

How long can we protect Owls, Eagles, Hawks, Wolves, Etc.?

I'm glad they are off the endangered species list. Can hardly wait for the day to hunt them!!!!!!! 

It is just comments like this that get me. Your complaining because you set up shop right in the middle of wolf country and happen to kill a cow or a calf. That is like leaving a purse in a room with 20 thieves....well of course the purse is going to dissapear.

If this was my problem surely I would want to protect my livestock but I do respect all animals and I am not going to glorify it. And if you have read the recent regs you will know that this is something you can do now.

[schwinger]

I live in the city so I won't pretend to know how life is for you guys but don't pretend to know what my life consists of either. Everyone has hard times. You have to deal with wolves stealing your food, I have to deal with scumbag gangs and hoodlums stealing from me but we both choose to live where we do. A wolf is just trying to survive and doesn't know the difference between an animal in the wild and one that is yours. I think I'll take the wolf over my predators.

I think the point bowhunter is trying to make (and I'm not trying to speak for you) is that wolves are part of the wild and we are supposed to be protecting the wild as hunters and care for the well being of all wild animals. As far as this goes I agree.

If the wolf is making your life harder I am certainly sorry to hear that and hope that the population can be put in check to minimize there impact on you but I don't want to see them eliminated and I don't think you do either.

[Bufflehead]

Well Mayfly, maybe it's not us rural peoples problem you folks from the cities set up shop where crime, robbery, theft, shootings and other such acts are more common. I don't think we need to spend all that tax money on Police protection.

 See, that makes about as much sense, as us rural folks just having to live with attacks on our livestock, family pets, Etc.

 Funny, this kind of attitude almost always comes from someone from the safety and comfort of their suburban home.

 Let some Coyote kill a couple family pets in that same suburban neighborhood and all of a son, you will see people demanding Action!!protection

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Quote Mayfly
"Now are you saying that we should be killing owls, eagles and hawks as well??"

 Every kind of population needs regulating...too much of any one kind of animal, bird, Etc.  and wildlife as whole suffers.

 Hawks, Owls, Eagles, Coon, Skunk, Wolves, Coyote, Fox, Weasel's, Etc. are all predators. Predators that feed on other animals. Why should they be left unchecked and the rest of the animal population left to suffer? Especially, the game animals and game birds us hunters work so hard to protect, with habitat and our million's of dollars in Lic. and other money's raised by hunters and Conservation Org.

 I would support any measure that should ever pass our legislature on the control of ALL predators.

 Untill that happens, many of us will just follow the laws in place and live with the problem

 


 

[JohnWester]

look people, this topic is going no where...

we all choose where we live, deal with the advantages and disadvantages accordingly.

got a problem with wolves?  shoot them.  got a problem with gang members breaking into your home to steal? shoot them.  both can be legally done.

[Bufflehead]

BFG, I like your solution..have gun will travel...LOL

[DaveO]

Buff,,,I have a shirt that I  got from a shooting class that says that  has that on it,,,,

[Ice_Hole]

Having been born and raised on a farm/cattle ranch in MT,  I know exactly where Bufflehead is coming from.  Not many people understand the time and effort it takes to raise a calf.  Not many people have experienced long nights checking on the calving heifers, sleeping in the barn, being shoulder-deep trying to pull a calf, giving a calf mouth-to-mouth.  Most people probably don't want any part of those things, and that is fine, but my point is that it is a lot of effort and is the rancher's means of surviving.

I think that the comparison of wolves in a pasture and a gang-banger in your house is a fair comparison.  Some people will want to contact the authorities and hope that in the meantime the intruder in your house doesn't kill your family.  Others will just shoot the SOB!  Who cares if that gang-banger has lived in the neighborhood for years before me.  Doesn't give him the right to take my personal property and endanger my family.  Same goes for the wolves...

[JD]

Well Mayfly, maybe it's not us rural peoples problem you folks from the cities set up shop where crime, robbery, theft, shootings and other such acts are more common. I don't think we need to spend all that tax money on Police protection.

And if you don't pay taxes for police portection, then how are Police Officers suppose to put food on their kids plates.  You don't want to pay for the police but you'll wish you did when you need them.

[Bufflehead]

 Your picking and choosing Leech...Lets post the whole quote..not just part

 As Paul Harvy says...Now the rest of the story

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  See, that makes about as much sense, as us rural folks just having to live with attacks on our livestock, family pets, Etc.


 

 Bang away boys and girls..I've said my peace..I'm done

[Mayfly]

I love these kind of threads. We all have different opinions and different views on every aspect in life. Although there are things we see eye to eye on  this is just not one of those things. It sure does make the day interesting though reading this topic. Have a good day And enjoy............

[Bufflehead]

I agree 100% Mayfly

 Have a Great Day!

[kenhuntin]

I second the motion that all fowl and animals need to be kept in check. Has anyone seen  a Loon nesting pair be able to raise a chick to adulthood on a lake with a Bald Eagle In residence? Pretty rare.
  I feel the reason Moose disappeared from northwest Minnesota is mostly Wolves. There is something wrong to me about the theory that a parasite will kill it's host
    Man is the steward of all living things on the planet

[JackpineRob]

In my opinion the wolf is just another predator, neither good nor bad.  They do what they do because that is how they are wired.

I kind of enjoy having them around, and seeing them from time to time.   While I'm not a wolf hugger by any stretch, I simply don't think exterminating them is a good idea.

I have a lake place up near Ely, and we hear and see wolves frequently enough that its not a big deal.  Seeing them while out ice fishing is not a remarkable experience, and wolf tracks are not difficult to find.

My lab is kenneled at night, and we have had wolves in the yard coming to check him out.  One large collared wolf came back several nights in a row, and I was surprised to see the dog flip his food bowl over, and the wolf eating dry dog food off the ground as the two stood nose to nose through the chain link with the hackles up and ears laid back.   That particular wolf ran into several larger dogs that summer, and none of the dogs were harmed.

Of course, one neighbor heard his ankle-biter screaming one afternoon and came out to find a wolf with little Fluffy in its jaws.  That wolf was trapped by the authorities and removed a day later.  Fluffy was wounded but survived.  They keep their dogs in now unless the humans are with them!

Deer and moose won't leave an area simply because wolves come through.  I have seen wolves and deer cross paths and barely glance at one another - the wolf doesn't attack if its not interested, and the deer isn't going run like heck if it doesn't have to.  Pretty interesting to see.

If they open up a season, I would like to get out the snow camo and take a run at getting a wolf rug.