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Offline Lee Borgersen

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Thursday, April 05, 2001907 Volume 18, Issue 13

Park weighs live bait ban, other steps to fight spiny waterflea's spread
By Tom Klein

Live bait may be temporarily banned from Voyageurs National Park?s interior lakes to prevent the spread of spiny waterfleas, an exotic species that could threaten the park?s aquatic ecosystem and fishing by competing with native fish for food and fouling fishing gear.
The park may also prohibit floatplane landings and private watercraft on its 25 interior lakes on the Kabetogama Peninsula. The park has about 20 canoes and rowboats that would be available for use on the interior lakes.

Restrictions would likely take effect by May 12. Public input on the proposed actions is being invited through April 30.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has already designated Rainy Lake, Rainy River, Namakan Lake and Lake of the Woods as infested waters, and has confirmed the presence of spiny waterfleas in Crane Lake. The DNR and park expect to find the spiny waterflea in Kabetogama and Sand Point Lake since these waters are connected to infested waters.

Research has shown that spiny waterfleas, native to Eurasia, can change the community composition of zooplankton and compete directly with juvenile yellow perch and other small fish and minnows for food which could lead to a decrease in the abundance of these fish.

As a result, this could alter the food web. For instance, yellow perch are an important part of the diet of walleye, so a decrease in yellow perch abundance could hurt walleye growth.

Spiny waterfleas are spread when either live adult waterfleas or viable resting eggs are transferred to a new body of water. Spiny waterfleas can be transported on bait buckets, anchor ropes, fishing line, boats, waders and nets. The bottom line is that any gear that enters infested water and is transferred to another lake or river without being thoroughly dried (12-48 hours) or washed with hot water (above 140? Fahrenheit) can transfer spiny waterfleas.

The National Park Service and DNR are working in concert to develop an extensive monitoring program and to develop best management practices to prevent the spread of the spiny waterflea and other exotic species. For example, the park immediately stopped all use of the floatplane for monitoring efforts on the interior lakes, and crews carefully dried equipment or used a separate set of research gear on the interior lakes when the spiny waterflea was discovered in Rainy Lake.

In addition to the proposed restrictions on interior lakes, the park will:

?Monitor and research the invasion to determine the extent of its spread and to understand the impacts on aquatic systems.

?Educate the public about exotics to increase awareness.

?Implement Best Management Practices for staff, park partners and others to limit the potential for spread to uninfested waters.

Public comments on the park?s proposed restrictions can be posted on the project website at http://parkplanning.nps.gov/voya or mailed to Voyageurs National Park, 3131 Highway 53, International Falls, MN 56649. Copies of the complete proposal can be viewed at the park website at www.nps.gov/voya or at park headquarters.

The park will conduct a program about the spiny waterflea and the park?s proposal for any interested party or organization. To schedule a program, call Kathleen Przybylski at (218) 283-9821 or e-mail Kathleen_Przybyl-ski@nps.gov.
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 Thank you smallmouthguid. This is a very important topic  for the outdoorsmen as well as the bait industry. i think we will all be touched by this problem at one point or another  in our travel .
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I see Wisconsin banned the import of live bait...
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YUP...  HOLD ON.....  NO TELLING WHAT IS GUNNA HAPPEN TO THE LIVEBAIT MARKET !!
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I see Wisconsin banned the import of live bait...

It always has been. But there were always loophole around somewhere in the fine print. I'm sure there still is as they need to get fatheads somewhere. I don't think the state could produce as many fatheads as it uses.
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But they have got the river stuff. Chubs and what not.
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Any word on what the BWCA and Quetico are going to do?? Will they follow Voyeger's lead and put a ban on bait?? QG

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Quetico has new rules which may take effect this year, but most likely won't be in effect until next year.

The new rules ban ALL "organic" bait.  No more frozen minnows or ciscos.  No more nightcrawlers.  No more leeches.  Live or dead, fresh or frozen or freeze-dried - no matter where you buy them, all organic baits are going to be banned.

They are also going barbless. 

They talked about banning depth finders also, but that has been tabled for now.

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I had heard last year that the talk was that if you could prove that you bought your bait in Canada it was going to still be legal in the Quetico. Now that was last years news and it came from an outfitter near the border. Like anyone else I'm just a victim of what I was told.

I'm not debating your post, but I have friends that go into the Quetico and I would like to show them the documentation stating the new policy so they can make adjustments to their plans if needs be. Do you know where this documentation is to be found? Thanks in advance.

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I found this info on an outfitters web-site today, but would still like to see the offical documentation by the Canadians.

As of January 1, 2007, to preserve the fisheries and prevent the introduction of alien species, use of live bait in the Quetico Park is prohibited. This means minnows, leeches, night crawlers (or crickets, or beetles and any other organic bait) is NOT allowed.

I guess that I can't find fault with this law since I grew up watching people bring in buckets of minnows to our resort in northeastern MN (Northwind Lodge) from Indiana, Iowa and who know's where else. I used to comment on how that was maybe not the greatest idea bringing in alien minnows into Minnesota and I used to hear the retort that they "were saving money", "these were really special minnows" and other moronic excuses.

For all I knew they could have been hauling buckets of baby carp. Stop and imagine caring for a 5 gallon bucket of minnow with a whirring aerator and Bubba having to "set there on that there bucket" for fourteen hours as there was barely enough room in the van. I saw this occur many times with many Bubbas and my guess is that it occured LOTS of times all over the state of MN. All that B.S. and dinking around to save $8 in bait costs on a trip that probably cost at least $1000 with travel, food and lodging costs combined.
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SMG,  I was  fishing in a lake a little bit north of GM for walleye,, I caught a carp and threw it on shore.. I told the natives in GM I had caught a carp,, they laughed and said they didn't have any up there.. Said I had caught a white sucker...  Must have been from an IL minnow.. QG

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It twernt me, musta ben ma kuzin Bubba er Floyd.
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 ::)  anything to hurt the small business man and keep him from makeing a profit ! look at the over seas trade that has happened here for the last century or so and the ships that have invaded our local and long term trade with the introduction of foreign speices. no matter how small or how big they will be like the leech they are to be on the economy . ::welcome::
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Smallmouthguide (and anyone else who is interested):

This is a link to the PDF document that the Park submitted for approval to the Canadian government.  This document is NOT the law yet, but Robin Reilly (the Park's head honcho) e-mailed an update a bit over a month ago.  The bottom line from him is that HIS people have done their work, and fully intend to implement the new rules as soon as they are approved.  However, if the government doesn't approve things before fishing opener, he figured they would wait until next season to begin enforcement.

However, they are going to be educating visitors to the new regs that are coming, and even if the new regs aren't in effect this year, they are going to ask for voluntary compliance.

I was chatting with an Ontario fish cop last year about the whole scene up on Side Lake, and the general push from the Park is to discourage people from taking any fish home.  The way they look at it, if you want to catch some fish and even eat some meals in the Park, great - no problem.  They just don't want people coming up, catching limits of fish and bringing them out of the Park.  That pretty much explained the "Border Protection Zone" philosophy, as well as these newer regulations.

If your friends are interested, Stu Osthoff has a pretty good interview in his Boundary Waters Journal with Robin Reilly dealing with these new regs and possible impacts.  Its worth a read for anyone with questions.

This link is for a 55 page Adobe document - so any of you with dial-up may want to think twice!

http://www.ontarioparks.com/english/planning_pdf/quet_fisheries.pdf