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I was at Fleet Farm the other night and found myself staring at all the scum/slop frog and rat baits. They're fairly expensive $5-$7 each. Anybody have an opinion about which ones work the best - in terms of attracting bass and getting decent hook ups. Colors? Also I'm wondering if anyone has ever had any luck catching smallies with baits like that.

I ended up buying one called "Bobby's Perfect Frog" because it had Gamakatsu hooks.

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Fawkinnae, My reply actually has nothing to do with frog/rat baits. It's just about a method I've used that is extremely effective when fishing heavy cover/slop. You will need a fairly heavy rod with at least 20 lb test Power Pro or similiar on your reel for this method to be effective. First I put on a chartreuse Weed Wing with a white twister tail on the hook. The Weed Wing was originally made by Harrison's but I think it's made by Worden's now. It's simply a weedless spoon with a single hook. It also has a propeller on the top of the spoon. When you make a fairly steady retrieve, it stay's mostly on the top of the water creating a lot of splashing and commotion. While you are retrieving, if you come to a small opening in the weeds/pads, drop it down slightly and continue your retrieve. Sometimes you can even see the tops of the pads moving as big MAMA bass tears in to absolutely destroy it! You will also get to tangle with some outsized snot rockets when you are fishing this way. At any rate, it's a heck of a lot of fun whenever the top of the water explodes! Hope I've helped some. Good luck and good fishing! ;D DIRTBALL2 ;)
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Dirtball2 I'm all over this. I think the slop thing is a blast.
I'll have to see if I can find a Weed wing. I agree - whenever the top of the water explodes - a good time is had by all.
Thanks for the tip.

I am still curious about the frogs too if anyone has any more feedback.
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No there is nothing  like having the water suddenly bust open as even if your hook does just go flying off to the side.

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Fawkinnae, I have had luck catching smallies early in the year useing floating rapelas, fishing around structure such as trees and stumps.
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Fawkinnae, My bad! I found out that the Weed Wing is now made by Panther Martin. Not Worden's as I mentioned in my earlier post. Also found the following page that shows and tells a lot more about the Weed Wing and how to use it. Cabela's probably has it. Break a leg Mon! ::dancinred:: DIRTBALL2 ;)
 
 
 
 
 


 

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Surface gurgling with the Panther Martin WeedWing
 


Date: 2/12/04
Tackle type: Lures
Manufacturer: Panther Martin
Reviewer: JIP





Total Score: 8.33

Introduction: Panther Martin opened the vault and returns their popular WeedWing to active duty. This spoon-buzzbait-like lure can be used to target different types of fish in a range of situations, either retrieving it for some top water action, or slowly dragging it along the bottom for less aggressive fish.
 

Panther Martin WeedWing Specifications
 
Material Metal
Colors 5 available
Sizes 1/4 and 1/2 oz
MAP $3.99 and $4.49

   
Impressions: The WeedWing is by no means a new invention, Panther Martin has actually been selling these bass lures in the pre-buzzbait days. But this year they are bringing them back from the past with 5 exciting new colors and a few improvements to further enhance your catch ratio.

 



The Panther Martin WeedWings is a spoon-buzzbait hybrid

 

Complete Rig for WeedWing Tests
 
Rod GLoomis MBR783C
Reel Quantum Energy PT-XMetal
Line 12 lb. Sufix ProMix

   
Field Tests: Over the years fishing the top water has become one of my favorite techniques to target big bass. We field tested this lure primarily on bass, but fish such as pike, muskie, stripers, and others will also attack the WeedWing when worked properly.

 

Casting: We weren't surprised at all that this Panther Martin lure can be tossed extremely well. At 1/4 and 1/2 oz in weight, the WeedWing rockets through the air with 12lb ProMix. Even though the blades will rotate in midair, there weren't any noticeable loss in casting distance as a result of friction, as the main body of the lure has plenty of weight to help catapult this lure far afield. Aside from nice long casts needed to kick-start the top water action, the WeedWing is well balanced and easy to direct to targeted zones. While using a side-arm cast and thumbing the baitcaster, the team was able to easily hit targets in open water and precisely drop the lure in-between tight spots without snagging.

 



Its solid spoon design is smooth and tough, and aerodynamic shape help the lure cast great distances

 

Retrieving: Top water fishing is all about how you work the lure to create fish attracting motions and sounds to entice fish to come up and strike. Learning to control the speed of retrieve is probably the hardest thing to do, and must be practiced to effectively fish any top water lure. By using a high gear ratio baitcasting reel like the new Quantum Energy PT-XMetal, it already gives you an edge over anglers who use a slower setup. Throughout the field tests, this new exciting lure always created a nice V-shaped wake as it ran at the surface of the water. Its "Wing" turned everytime and created a churning or gurgling sound somewhat familiar to those who enjoy fishing buzzbaits, but the WeedWing emits a sound that is different but just as effective at taunting fish to strike.

 

The use of wide gap hooks on the WeedWing is a plus especially when fishing top water. Having this type of hook made it much easier to hook into a fish during the retrieve than a smaller sized hook that I've used in early prototypes.

 



A big part of the this lure's action comes from the "Wings" that produce quite a commotion on the waters surface

 

Long time users of buzzbaits know that by tweaking the blade, one can achieve different sounds, speed, and actions. The WeedWing's blades can be bent in or out to control the amount of force that is required to turn the blade, allowing you to control the speed you require to keep the lure afloat at the surface. I also tried drilling holes into the blade which resulted in the generation of a different sound and as the Weedwing broke the surface of the water it actually created a bubble trail. Overall the effectiveness of the lure remained the same.

 

With double weed guards, the WeedWing can be fished in heavy structure and cover without easily snagging. Because the weed guards are made out of two metal wires, they can also be adjusted. When fishing open top water I would push the weed guards down, to further expose the hook for a greater chance of getting a solid hookset.

 

While this Panther Martin lure is effective on top water action against aggressive fish, the WeedWing can also be fished in other ways. Fish it mid-water or drag it along the bottom of the lake, this lure can be effective at a variety of depths and speeds. We attached a trailer to the hook which added more action, making the WeedWing even deadlier when retrieved slowly.

 



A wide gap hook helps provide solid hookups

 
Durability: Durability isn't even a concern when it comes to the WeedWing. Panther Martin went with using filled metal into the underside of the spoon to attach the hook, at first I thought it might not hold as well as a screw.  But after many drop tests on solid concrete, the hook remained intact.

 

Aside from that, the only other parts that can take on damage from extreme fishing is the blade, weed guards, and the paint on the models that are not a solid color. The weed guards are made to be bent, and can be constantly adjusted with no damage to the lure. We tested them on fish and in the lab and even put the lures through extreme stress.  We took a lure and bent the wire until it broke off. If you bend the wires down onto the body of the spoon it is very difficult to break. If you bend them away from the lure, upwards or to the sides about 1 inch maximum from the hook, the wires still didn't break. Now, if you bend them completely perpendicular to the lure, it is possible to break them after a few tries. This will not occur unless you accidentally bend them during transportation or in an event of an extremely unusual hang up.

 



Double weed guards prevent the WeedWing from easily snagging when fishing in and around cover

 

If you only fish the WeedWing as a top water bait, you'll never run into problems with the paint. But if you choose to drag the lure along rocky bottoms you will definitely put scratches into the finish. But even after intentionally scratching up this lure it still remained effective.

 

Price: The MSRP of the Panther Martin WeedWings aren't all that bad, but could fall into the higher price range for some anglers. The great thing about online shopping nowadays is that we can do a quick price checks before buying anything. For these lures, if you look around on the web, you will be able to find them strategically priced below MSRP.

 
Ratings:

Panther Martin WeedWing Ratings (?/10)
 
Construction/Quality Solid construction using bendable blade material that can be tweaked many times without breaking 8.5
Performance This lure worked good as a top water lure or underwater, and much more effective if you add a trailer to it 8
Price The MSRP is ok, but we have found incredible deals online 9
Features A pretty basic lure that works and sports a wide gap hook and weed guards 8
Design (Ergonomics) Designed smooth to glide nicely at the surface and the blade can be bent to either slow or speed up the retrieve.  Double weed guards placed in the correct place to prevent snags 8
Application A lure that's designed to catch many species of fish such as bass, pike, stripers, and more 8.5
Total Score
 8.33


Pluses and Minuses:

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J Effective at different depths L Weed guard can be broken off
J Blade turns everytime L Painted patterns will get scratched if dragged on rocks
J Overall lure is quite durable   
J Catches many species of fish   


Conclusion: Good products often stand up to the test of time, and the reintroduction of the Panther Martin WeedWing is one such example.  The WeedWing is designed to run as a top water lure providing good action and sound to entice top water bites, and can be fished as a spoon below water. We found that by adding a trailer, the lure became even more deadly. The lure proved quite durable and our test results proved it to be a quality bass catcher, and we are sure it'll work just as well for other aggressive species that commit to boisterous topwater lures.



 
 

 
 
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Couple pics of the weedwing. O.K. one pic.
Thanks for the info. I'll be shopping for weedwings.
I'm still hoping for some frog/rat feedback.
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I fished a little lake this weekend near MacGregor called round lake. I decided I was going to fish with various frogs and rats. I tried my newest frog probably for a couple hours - nothing - not even a blow up. Fished my other frog - 1/2 dozen blowups- no hook ups and finally got bit off. Tried an assortment of other scum critters nothing. I also tried out my new PowerPro line - fabulous.

So I'm still dreaming of some good scum frog feedback. Sadly I did not yet have my Weedwing.
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I fished a little lake this weekend near MacGregor called round lake. I decided I was going to fish with various frogs and rats. I tried my newest frog probably for a couple hours - nothing - not even a blow up. Fished my other frog - 1/2 dozen blowups not hook ups and finally got bit off. Tried an assortment of other scum critters nothing. I also tried out my new PowerPro line - fabulous.

So I'm still dreaming of some good scum frog feedback. Sadly I did not yet have my Weedwing.
Fawkinnae..I fished Round lake in McGregor for quite a few years.  I haven't been there in at least 10 years though.  I use to love to use my silver mepps #2 on that lake, I had great luck with it.  The bass practically jumped right in the boat!  gg

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Dang. Girl Guide if you would have been there you could have guided me.

One thing that made it tough to fish was on the outside of the lily pads and reeds and cabbage there was another layer of weeds - it had the texture of excelsior - the old packing material - almost string like and tough to get through with almost anything. Someone mentioned that it's the most extensive they had ever seen that weed on the lake. Cool lake though. I liked it a lot.
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Dang. Girl Guide if you would have been there you could have guided me.

One thing that made it tough to fish was on the outside of the lily pads and reeds and cabbage there was another layer of weeds - it had the texture of excelsior - the old packing material - almost string like and tough to get through with almost anything. Someone mentioned that it's the most extensive they had ever seen that weed on the lake. Cool lake though. I liked it a lot.
I suppose if I was there I could of showed you my old lucky spot, but I don't know if my guide service is quite on my top game anymore since I haven't fished there in so long. But don't let my name fool you..LOL..I just get lucky every now and then!  Real lucky on that lake though, boy we had a many fish fries out of Round.  One of the reasons I liked that lake so much besides the great fishing is it is so nice and quiet...or it was anyway. There was never a lot of jet skiers or waterskiing going on..just a nice peaceful lake. Found a real nice Walleye hole one weekend too. We also use to go over to the southshore and set up a volleyball net in the sand.  Good times, that's for sure!  Good to hear you enjoyed the lake also.  gg ::fishing::

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The best thing for me has been a plain weedless hook with a pork frog from uncle josh.

You mentioned getting blow ups but not hook ups, have youbeen setting the hook on the blow up? It was hard for me to get used to but don't set the hook until you feel them pull on the line.
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If you have never tried a Weedemon and enjoy this type of fishing at least one of these lures should be part of your arsenal. I was introduced to them with a buddy on Eagle lake in Hennepin county last year when he put one on and it blew me and the fish out of the water. Besides the bass that he pulled in, (about 4 to my 1) he had an 18 to 20 lb. northern follow and two small muskie follows.
 The weedemon will cast a country mile and the only time I have been snagged with one since is when a fish pulls it down and wraps around the pads or something. They are awesome, a must have item.
 
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The best thing for me has been a plain weedless hook with a pork frog from uncle josh.

You mentioned getting blow ups but not hook ups, have youbeen setting the hook on the blow up? It was hard for me to get used to but don't set the hook until you feel them pull on the line.

Griz thanks for the feedback. I like that idea and will give it a try. Makes complete sense. Regarding the hook-ups, I've been very careful not to pull it away from them until I feel the weight - and definitely a mistake I've made at times in the past.
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If you have never tried a Weedemon and enjoy this type of fishing at least one of these lures should be part of your arsenal. I was introduced to them with a buddy on Eagle lake in Hennepin county last year when he put one on and it blew me and the fish out of the water. Besides the bass that he pulled in, (about 4 to my 1) he had an 18 to 20 lb. northern follow and two small muskie follows.
 The weedemon will cast a country mile and the only time I have been snagged with one since is when a fish pulls it down and wraps around the pads or something. They are awesome, a must have item.
 

Kenhuntin thanks. I have never heard of a Weedemon but I will look for one. Nothing like hearing it from someone with first hand experience.

By the way an update to my ongoing search for the perfect slopbait - I was in Wisconsin this weekend and went into a little baitshop north of Hayward. I walked into the place and the entire wall to my left was covered with slop frogs. An amazing assortment. Unfortunately they were all priced at $10.75 each - I don't think so. So I started quizzing the owner about slop baits. He said, "Well the best ones are these two," and he pointed to two empty slots on the rack, "And I don't remember which ones they were."

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Fawkinnae, What happened to you in that bait shop is a good example of a rule I always follow when buying baits. When I buy a new bait if they only have one left, I buy that one too! Just so that when the next poor SOB comes in wanting one, they will be all out!LOL! :ROTFLMAO: ;D DIRTBALL2 ;)
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Dirtball2. Man you are ruthless.

Hey were you up around Hayward last week?
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If you have never tried a Weedemon and enjoy this type of fishing at least one of these lures should be part of your arsenal. I was introduced to them with a buddy on Eagle lake in Hennepin county last year when he put one on and it blew me and the fish out of the water. Besides the bass that he pulled in, (about 4 to my 1) he had an 18 to 20 lb. northern follow and two small muskie follows.
 The weedemon will cast a country mile and the only time I have been snagged with one since is when a fish pulls it down and wraps around the pads or something. They are awesome, a must have item.
 

Kenhuntin any idea who makes the Weedemon? I tried to google it and found nothing.
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Fawkinaae, That was my alter ego! :ROTFLMAO: Actually I wasn't up there but I would have liked to have been up there. Always had a great time up there fishing the Namekagon River. ;D DIRTBALL2 ;)
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Fawkinaae, Here you go Fishing Dude. Found the Weed Demon through   dogpile.com  All results, no mess!LOL! The Weed Demon is made by Snagproof Lures. ;D DIRTBALL2 ;)

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Just a little update on my search for truth and justice in slop baits.

The other night I went up to Cabela's for for some recreational tackle shopping. Found the Weedwing department - and it was pretty well stocked - so I bought 2. Two different sizes and colors.

Next - on to the frogs and you guessed it - frogs were on sale baby. Bought 2 SPRO's (soft body and fringey legs) which is the style I've had the best luck with so far, and a Mann's Super Frog.

And I bought a 5 pack of spinnerbait skirts.

The End

Saw some guy take the last two of one of the baits and I'm pretty sure it was Dirtball2 - or one of his gang members.
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Now there's a man that knew what he was doing! :moon: :ROTFLMAO: I've read some very good reviews on that Bronze Eye Frog by SPRO that you bought. Good luck with it and let us know how you did! :taz: ;D DIRTBALL2 ;)
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If you have never tried a Weedemon and enjoy this type of fishing at least one of these lures should be part of your arsenal. I was introduced to them with a buddy on Eagle lake in Hennepin county last year when he put one on and it blew me and the fish out of the water. Besides the bass that he pulled in, (about 4 to my 1) he had an 18 to 20 lb. northern follow and two small muskie follows.
 The weedemon will cast a country mile and the only time I have been snagged with one since is when a fish pulls it down and wraps around the pads or something. They are awesome, a must have item.
 

Thanks for the tip on the Weed Demon Ken, I am gonna look for one of these myself. I know of a few good spots in the area where I can give them a whirl!  ;D
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I found a guy in St. Michael that has a dozen weed demons on ebay for $2.99+$1.55 to ship. The last ones I bought were at gander for over $5.00 Item #220112460577 If anyone is interested
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I found a guy in St. Michael that has a dozen weed demons on ebay for $2.99+$1.55 to ship. The last ones I bought were at gander for over $5.00 Item #220112460577 If anyone is interested

I bagged 2 of them. Thanks for the tip.
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 In my opinion the best slop frog is the spro series frogs, they are really worth the money, the helped me make the money in two tournaments last year. and yes they will work on smallies.
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