Lee is now an outlaw

[Lee Borgersen]

                                 Lee is now an outlaw.

After over 20 years I discovered that I'm guilty of being an outlaw. Today I went over to the local forest preserve. It's been raining most of the night and that means its crawler collecting time for me as usual as soon as the gates are open. My technique is a tad unusual and folks tend to look on wondering what the heck is this guy doing with that contraption. All the crawlers I collect is with this system I created. The best place to do my gathering is on the pavements on the road or parking areas.

So to cut to the chase here's me with about 100 crawlers in my contraption when I hear a car creeping up behind me. So I jump on to the curb to avoid getting run over. As I spun around to see who was behind me it was the cook county forest preserve patrol car. He asked what are you doing I was sure he was going to tell me not to walk along to the narrow road for safety purposes.

Instead he asked what is that weird contraption you have there. So I showed him that it was my crawler collector. He then proceeded to politely ask if I was dumping off some worms? I stated no I'm collecting crawlers. That’s when he told me that I can't do that because it's illegal. "You can't remove anything from the forest preserve" I didn't argue with him and just stated that I wasn't aware of the rule pertaining to worms.

He then told me that I could keep what I already had. So I walked to the car and left. After all these years that was a new one on me. I knew that you can't remove timber or plants but crawlers?

Now I have to look for another area after all those years!

[glenn57]

It's only illegal if you get caught!

[Lee Borgersen]

It's only illegal if you get caught!

Thanks for the legal advice Glenn.

[greatoutdoors]

It's interesting that a forest preserve officer would have any objection to your removing night crawlers from a that area.   
A professor by the name of Lee Frelich  (University of Minnesota) claims that night crawlers are not a native species, and can destroy trees and other plants by eating their food supply. 
His research is one of the many battle cries of the environmentalists, and night crawlers are not supposed to be dumped into any land in the BWCAW because of their "destructive ways,"  instead being dumped into the lake. 
With this said, the Ranger should have nominated you for some type of award for saving the park!! 

[glenn57]

It's interesting that a forest preserve officer would have any objection to your removing night crawlers from a that area.   
A professor by the name of Lee Frelich  (University of Minnesota) claims that night crawlers are not a native species, and can destroy trees and other plants by eating their food supply. 
His research is one of the many battle cries of the environmentalists, and night crawlers are not supposed to be dumped into any land in the BWCAW because of their "destructive ways,"  instead being dumped into the lake. 
With this said, the Ranger should have nominated you for some type of award for saving the park!! 

my thoughts exactly!!!!!!!! he probably though t that was lee's cover and really thought he was one of them creepy window peepers!!!!!

[Lee Borgersen]

It's interesting that a forest preserve officer would have any objection to your removing night crawlers from a that area.   
A professor by the name of Lee Frelich  (University of Minnesota) claims that night crawlers are not a native species, and can destroy trees and other plants by eating their food supply. 
His research is one of the many battle cries of the environmentalists, and night crawlers are not supposed to be dumped into any land in the BWCAW because of their "destructive ways,"  instead being dumped into the lake. 
With this said, the Ranger should have nominated you for some type of award for saving the park!! 

my thoughts exactly!!!!!!!! he probably though t that was lee's cover and really thought he was one of them creepy window peepers!!!!!

The reason he let me off the hook was he noticed the fake "proud union member" button on my cap.

[glenn57]

just like all the rest......don't wanna pay there fair share but want all the benefts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh what we put up with!!!!!!!!!

[greatoutdoors]

It's interesting that a forest preserve officer would have any objection to your removing night crawlers from a that area.   
A professor by the name of Lee Frelich  (University of Minnesota) claims that night crawlers are not a native species, and can destroy trees and other plants by eating their food supply. 
His research is one of the many battle cries of the environmentalists, and night crawlers are not supposed to be dumped into any land in the BWCAW because of their "destructive ways,"  instead being dumped into the lake. 
With this said, the Ranger should have nominated you for some type of award for saving the park!! 

my thoughts exactly!!!!!!!! he probably though t that was lee's cover and really thought he was one of them creepy window peepers!!!!!

glenn57,
How can you suggest that about brother Lee? 
He was in a dark area, wearing a head lamp, ski mask, binoculars around his neck, a Larry Flint T shirt, big clown shoes, and merely asked the Ranger if he had a big, fat, worm!!! 
What would make anyone think he was some kind of a perv??   

[leechlake]

The fake pride union sticker made me remember I put a Special Olympics Supporter sticker on my truck window last month and then forgot to send the check to them.  Talk about some guilt when I noticed it the other day.

Only George Constanza would do what I've done.

[Lee Borgersen]

Well, it's almost that time of the year again. Do I let da law push me around or do I take the gamble and get caught by the same ranger as last year. If da same guy busts me this year I won't just get a verbal warning!

If you have no Idea what I'm talkin bout go to page one of this thread where da story starts

                                      Let me know what cha tink.
Be a man?
Be a wimp?
Be an outlaw?

Signed: man on da run

[glenn57]

go for it dude..............just dont gey caught.....then its not illegal!!!!!!! and for gods sake...........keep the outfit GTO said you had on at home!!!!!!!!!!

[Lee Borgersen]

go for it dude..............just dont gey caught.....then its not illegal!!!!!!! and for gods sake...........keep the outfit GTO said you had on at home!!!!!!!!!!

Well thanks' for the advice Glenn but, I was hoping to get some good feedback from some of the more stable individuals here at MNO. However, I would try to blend in better with a less conspicuous outfit this year.

[Gunner55]

Gotta agree with 57. Even if he catches ya, he'll probably only put you in handcuffs...................... chinese.

[Lee Borgersen]

Gotta agree with 57. Even if he catches ya, he'll probably only put you in handcuffs...................... chinese.

  man I hate dem things! It's ok if he cuffs you with hands in front but behind the back you can't escape.

[glenn57]

Gotta agree with 57. Even if he catches ya, he'll probably only put you in handcuffs...................... chinese.

  man I hate dem things! It's ok if he cuffs you with hands in front but behind the back you can't escape.

so how does borgie use them!!!!!!!!!!!! sleazy-422.gif tut_tut-3315.gif

[Lee Borgersen]

Gotta agree with 57. Even if he catches ya, he'll probably only put you in handcuffs...................... chinese.

  man I hate dem things! It's ok if he cuffs you with hands in front but behind the back you can't escape.

so how does borgie use them!!!!!!!!!!!! sleazy-422.gif tut_tut-3315.gif

When we got married in 1964 We used Chinese hand cuffs.
Now I use chains and padlocks and they won't even hold her!

[glenn57]

 

[LPS]

I would make some phone calls and talk to someone higher up about the nightcrawlers being an invasive species.  I saw a news thing on TV about that too a couple of years ago.  Maybe you could get the ball rolling on being able to do it at parks legally. 

[LPS]

I just read about them on the DNR website.  Shows a forest befor and after worms.  After has half of the trees.   

[Lee Borgersen]

I would make some phone calls and talk to someone higher up about the nightcrawlers being an invasive species.  I saw a news thing on TV about that too a couple of years ago.  Maybe you could get the ball rolling on being able to do it at parks legally.

 
I appreciate your interest and that all makes sense Butttttt .... This is cook (crook county IL.)  The old saying around here is you can't buck city hall! Also If I start inquiries about stupid laws and then get busted for still doing my collecting I'll get torched. This way I can still carry on with my worm collecting and just act like dough I didn't know. Also I was thinking that how can they bust you if your stopped while still in the forest preserve when stopped. They would have to catch you leaving outside the park with the forbidden fruit to have broken the law I reckon. I could also say I'm not removing these worms from the park. I'm using them for bait here in the pond. I'd need to carry a rod in the car for proof.


About 10 years ago at the seasons end I still had a half a flat of crawlers to get rid of. So, I dumped them on the front lawn. For the next 4 yrs. The grass on that exact spot always came in with a yellow tint. That had to be from those crawlers I dumped. I figure they destroyed the nutrient's in the soil.

[Lee Borgersen]

I just read about them on the DNR website.  Shows a forest befor and after worms.  After has half of the trees.

Yep! That's why it's against MN regs. to dump worms on the ground.

Can you post the http: on that article here I want to print that out!

[LPS]

www.dnr.state.mn.us › ... › Terrestrial Invasive Species › Invasive terrestrial animals  Here you go Lee.  Sounds like you have a workable theory on the worm thing.  Don't let me get you in trouble.

With you on my team I'm no longer worried. I may just go and hire so undocumented workers now and get this thing going big time. If you want in on this just send me a check

[LPS]

google Invasive Earthworms, MN DNR.  That should get you there.

[Lee Borgersen]

With you on my team I'm no longer worried. I may just go and hire so undocumented workers now and get this thing going big time. If you want in on this just send me a check

 
 
I hit da wrong button and added this post to your prior post.

[Bobberineyes]

Crawler harvesting in the wrong areas could be bad. To play it safe Lee put on one of them there a troubled person cleaning up the road way suits. Have borgie pretend she's in charge of your duty,  or wait that's every day. Nobody will question you thinking your doing the society some good, then again you are a hawks fan, they just might run your  over..

[glenn57]

Hehehehe!

[glenn57]

So why would they snivel about picking and getting rid of an invasive specy.

[Lee Borgersen]

So why would they snivel about picking and getting rid of an invasive specy.

For the same reason that we have sanctuary cities. Even though the invaders (crawlers or people) can cause possible harm in the long run they have rights. It don't matter if they cause negative impacts, because they are entitled by right of birth. Special dispensation is to be considered under all circumstances if it makes sense or not!


                   And that's the world we live in today.

[Fawkinnae]

I'd like to see this contraption you use for collecting the worms, and even better, I'd like to see you in that costume Greatoutdoors described. I also think you should do it again, eventually get caught, go to court, educate the court, tell them, "You can't handle the truth!" ala Jack Nickolson... and then become a celebrated folk hero.  The End.

[Lee Borgersen]

I'd like to see this contraption you use for collecting the worms, and even better, I'd like to see you in that costume Greatoutdoors described. I also think you should do it again, eventually get caught, go to court, educate the court, tell them, "You can't handle the truth!" ala Jack Nickolson... and then become a celebrated folk hero.  The End.

All I can say Fawk is you’re an inspiration to me and the rest of the other young guys. After some of the well meaning support I've received from this thread, How could I not continue on with my mission despite the law.

I may be asking you to designee some new t-shirts regarding "Crawler Hunters". Be prepared for future orders by the 1,000's.