corona pandemic~

[snow1]

Classic...

[Jerkbiat]

 

[Rebel SS]

 

[mike89]

 

[Rebel SS]

https://kttc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-will-make-unvaccinated-employees-pay-charge-2/

[mike89]

just read that too.. how can they do that??? 

[Rebel SS]

IMO, they can't.

[Steve-o]

I'm guessing that there will be a rider on their health insurance benefit - just like a smoker.

If you are a smoker, they make you pay a surcharge on your healthcare premium contribution.

I reckon they'll do the same with vaccination status.

[Rebel SS]

Make the rules up as they go along. What a crock of sh**.

[glenn57]

I'm guessing that there will be a rider on their health insurance benefit - just like a smoker.

If you are a smoker, they make you pay a surcharge on your healthcare premium contribution.

I reckon they'll do the same with vaccination status.

life insurance maybe, but in all the years of negotiations I've been involved in not on health insurance. That I have seen.

[Rebel SS]

I know if you were a smoking employee at Mayo, you paid more for their health Insurance....but that sure is different than this.  "Delta won't make you get vaccinated, but will charge you $200 more per month"....ie; "we won't make you walk the plank , but we will jab you in the azz with a saber as you stand on it"...

[Rebel SS]

CAWchester now recommending masks for all OUTSIDE downtown events, in addition to all INSIDE events....yes...no...maybe....wait...

[Steve-o]

[roony]

If you are deliberately putting yourself and others at a higher risk it may be appropriate to pay a higher premium. Just my opinion.

[Rebel SS]

https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2021/08/25

[Jerkbiat]

If you are deliberately putting yourself and others at a higher risk it may be appropriate to pay a higher premium. Just my opinion.

Life is a risk every day that you get out of bed. Should we charge extra for that too. This is flat out ridiculous! The media has made this way more political then it needs to be. My body, my choice.

[roony]

Life is a risk every day that you get out of bed. Should we charge extra for that too. This is flat out ridiculous! The media has made this way more political then it needs to be. My body, my choice.

They already do charge for that... If you are dead the premiums are zero. No one is taking away your freedom of choice. Employers and Insurance companies have freedoms of choice also.

[glenn57]

i'm kinda stuck in the middle of this.  yea i got vacinated, i have an 84 year old mom and stepdad i'd like to see hang around for a while yet. along with the fact that i am taking meds for diabetes, very controlled and low A1c numbers and the fact i had a 4-by heart bypass in 2011. not to mention my wife has some health issues. after alot of soul searching i decided to get the shots. AND that was after i first said no effing way.

but damn anyway, this fear mongering  needs to stop.  this virus isnt going away and like the flu its going to change with the times. at this point we need to accept it and move forward. enough time has passed that there is enough information out there to let every individual decide for themselves. these mask mandates and shot requirements are 

if the past year to 18 months have proved one thing........no mask, no so called social distancing, closing non essential businesses DIDNOT stop this virus kind of like the cold and flu.

if there is one thing i've learned reading about this since this started, these friggin politicans have skewed the numbers so bad you cant believe anything....... namely how these deaths are reported. its a freakin effin joke.........

i have donated blood 4 times since started, 3 times since the red cross started testing for antibodies, not once have i been informed that i have any. and i didnt hibernate, went about my business and the only time i wore one of those masks is when a business demanded it.

ok end of sermon!!!!!

[Gunner55]

Life is a risk every day that you get out of bed. Should we charge extra for that too. This is flat out ridiculous! The media has made this way more political then it needs to be. My body, my choice.

They already do charge for that... If you are dead the premiums are zero. No one is taking away your freedom of choice. Employers and Insurance companies have freedoms of choice also.

When we left Pfizer, Zoetis now, in 2011 they were already charging people who smoked an extra $100/ month premium then. I'm sure that the only way that has changed is that it costs more now.

[Steve-o]

Life is a risk every day that you get out of bed. Should we charge extra for that too. This is flat out ridiculous! The media has made this way more political then it needs to be. My body, my choice.

They already do charge for that... If you are dead the premiums are zero. No one is taking away your freedom of choice. Employers and Insurance companies have freedoms of choice also.

When we left Pfizer, Zoetis now, in 2011 they were already charging people who smoked an extra $100/ month premium then & I'm sure that hasn't changed. 

So if a young, healthy, married couple doesn't feel they need shots - or perhaps they already "survived" covid and have "natural" immunity (which we've all been conditioned to believe is not as good as "vaccine-induced" immunity) - why shouldn't they have to pay an extra $200/month each ($4,800 annually) for their health insurance.   It's only "fair", right?   

[Steve-o]

but damn anyway, this fear mongering  needs to stop.  this virus isnt going away and like the flu its going to change with the times. at this point we need to accept it and move forward.

if the past year to 18 months have proved one thing........no mask, no so called social distancing, closing non essential businesses DIDNOT stop this virus kind of like the cold and flu.

if there is one thing i've learned reading about this since this started, these friggin politicans have skewed the numbers so bad you cant believe anything....... namely how these deaths are reported. its a freakin effin joke.........

Yep, but instead of facing these realities - they are doubling down.  If two doses of vaccine isn't enough to wipe covid off the face of the earth, maybe three.

And if you thought covid deaths were over-exaggerated, it isn't a far stretch to believe vaccine side-effects are going way underreported.

Yes, yes, yes!  Vaccines are effective - especially for those at risk, but the way in which we've surrendered our personal liberty in this pandemic is frightening.  Division and persecution of those who do not agree is our new normal - all rationalized in the name of public health and the common good.

[Jerkbiat]

i'm kinda stuck in the middle of this.  yea i got vacinated, i have an 84 year old mom and stepdad i'd like to see hang around for a while yet. along with the fact that i am taking meds for diabetes, very controlled and low A1c numbers and the fact i had a 4-by heart bypass in 2011. not to mention my wife has some health issues. after alot of soul searching i decided to get the shots. AND that was after i first said no effing way.

but damn anyway, this fear mongering  needs to stop.  this virus isnt going away and like the flu its going to change with the times. at this point we need to accept it and move forward. enough time has passed that there is enough information out there to let every individual decide for themselves. these mask mandates and shot requirements are 

if the past year to 18 months have proved one thing........no mask, no so called social distancing, closing non essential businesses DIDNOT stop this virus kind of like the cold and flu.

if there is one thing i've learned reading about this since this started, these friggin politicans have skewed the numbers so bad you cant believe anything....... namely how these deaths are reported. its a freakin effin joke.........

i have donated blood 4 times since started, 3 times since the red cross started testing for antibodies, not once have i been informed that i have any. and i didnt hibernate, went about my business and the only time i wore one of those masks is when a business demanded it.

ok end of sermon!!!!!

Well put Glenn!! The only think I would say different is the MS media is driving the narrative more then the politicians.

[Jerkbiat]

but damn anyway, this fear mongering  needs to stop.  this virus isnt going away and like the flu its going to change with the times. at this point we need to accept it and move forward.

if the past year to 18 months have proved one thing........no mask, no so called social distancing, closing non essential businesses DIDNOT stop this virus kind of like the cold and flu.

if there is one thing i've learned reading about this since this started, these friggin politicans have skewed the numbers so bad you cant believe anything....... namely how these deaths are reported. its a freakin effin joke.........

Yep, but instead of facing these realities - they are doubling down.  If two doses of vaccine isn't enough to wipe covid off the face of the earth, maybe three.

And if you thought covid deaths were over-exaggerated, it isn't a far stretch to believe vaccine side-effects are going way underreported.

Yes, yes, yes!  Vaccines are effective - especially for those at risk, but the way in which we've surrendered our personal liberty in this pandemic is frightening.  Division and persecution of those who do not agree is our new normal - all rationalized in the name of public health and the common good.

Exactly!!!

[Gunner55]

Life is a risk every day that you get out of bed. Should we charge extra for that too. This is flat out ridiculous! The media has made this way more political then it needs to be. My body, my choice.

They already do charge for that... If you are dead the premiums are zero. No one is taking away your freedom of choice. Employers and Insurance companies have freedoms of choice also.

When we left Pfizer, Zoetis now, in 2011 they were already charging people who smoked an extra $100/ month premium then & I'm sure that hasn't changed. 

So if a young, healthy, married couple doesn't feel they need shots - or perhaps they already "survived" covid and have "natural" immunity (which we've all been conditioned to believe is not as good as "vaccine-induced" immunity) - why shouldn't they have to pay an extra $200/month each ($4,800 annually) for their health insurance.   It's only "fair", right?   

They can always get their own insurance, can't they?

[Rebel SS]

IMO, nothings gonna work. Here in the big med city, where we set the bar with masking, shots, etc, a kid in grade school here (schools already started at some)
just tested positive for COVID. Now letters going out to everyone he had conact with, etc. (according to local news)  It's gonna run it's course, and we sure aren't gonna stop it, maybe just roadblock it a bit. Just my opinion.

[Steve-o]

They can always get their own insurance, can't they?

Obama Kare, maybe 

[roony]

The main misinformation I am seeing are coming from right wingnuts telling people to drink bleach or take horse worming medicine as a cure for Covid.

[Rebel SS]

Here's something for ya'll to read....I get these updates on my email from my attorney. Guess I get something free from them! 



 

Employer Vaccine Mandates

 

            In light of the FDA’s final approval of the Pfizer vaccine, President Biden recently asked employers to mandate vaccines.  President Biden said, “Do what I did last month.  Require your employees to get vaccinated or face strict requirements.”

 

As the President’s comment suggests, vaccine mandates were allowed even before the Pfizer vaccine received full FDA approval.  According to the Department of Justice, emergency-approval status simply required that potential recipients be informed that it was their “choice to receive or not receive [the vaccine].”   Employer policies that preserved an employee’s ultimate choice to refuse an emergency-approved vaccine were acceptable, even if vaccine refusal came with severe adverse consequences.

 

The consensus view is that Minnesota employers may lawfully follow the President’s advice and condition employment on vaccination status.  Minnesota is not among the states that have banned vaccine mandates.  In addition, Minnesota recognizes “at-will” employment.  An employee can quit for any reason; an employer can fire an employee for any reason as long as that reason is not illegal.

 

            There are circumstances where vaccination-status discrimination may be illegal.   EEOC guidance expresses concern that vaccine mandates may disproportionately exclude employees based on their race, color, religion, sex, or national origin: “Employers should keep in mind that because some individuals or demographic groups may face greater barriers to receiving a COVID-19 vaccination than others, some employees may be more likely to be negatively impacted by a vaccination requirement.”

 

The EEOC also states Title VII and the ADA may require reasonable accommodations for employees who choose against getting vaccinated because of a disability or a sincerely held religious belief.  Possible reasonable accommodations for these employees include wearing a face mask, working at a social distance from coworkers, working a modified shift, getting periodic tests for COVID-19, being given the opportunity to telework, or accepting a reassignment.   

 

Dunlap & Seeger, P.A., 30 3rd Street SE, Suite 400, Rochester, MN  55904

www.dunlaplaw.com 507-28

[mike89]

now I hear the J & J needs a 2nd dose!!??!!??   

[Jerkbiat]

The main misinformation I am seeing are coming from right wingnuts telling people to drink bleach or take horse worming medicine as a cure for Covid.

Not sure where you have seen that, but I sure have not myself.