Trespassers Everywhere!!!!!!!!

[Mayfly]

We might have a problem....Minnesota is infested with TRESPASSERS!!

Rule #1: If you are hunting on private property you should know who owns the land....not 10 years ago.....RIGHT NOW.

And

Rule #2: If you are hunting on private property you should KNOW THE BOUNDARIES! and you should have a good idea of what is beyond that property.

If you just read these two simple rules and you cannot answer either than you had better check into it!

Rule #3: If you got permission 10 years ago and still hunt the property and have not spoken to the owner since then you had better check in!

If given permission to hunt someones land respect permission and do it right.

Ok....Now onto my story.

This year I have been granted access to private property in two areas in the North Metro area. One place it was to be exclusive and the other area I was invited along with my cousin who got the permission and pre-approved me as well.

On both peices of property (100 acres and 20 acres) we were told that it was exclusive and noone else had permission. And...on both properties we have ran into other hunters. In one case the guy had just been hunting there forever and didn't know whos land it was. It was just his normal fall routine and never ran into anyone and never had a problem so what the heck. Another guy said he had pemission on a neighboring property and thought that the property lines were down farther and that he was still on the property ( see rule #2 ). That is just one one of the properties. On the other I ran into one guy and the other guy I have not seen or heard of. I do know that two of the neighbors both grown and moved on (parents still live here) hunt the land every year. I ran into one and asked him if he had permission. He dodged the question but in a round about way said yes. He said he ran into the land owner about 13 years ago and that he gave him permission so he just kept huting year after year. He also said that he has been given permission from another guy that hunts the land and that he is in charge of it. Although the original land owner is not around anymore and not even the owner anymore!! It was passed down to family that does not live near the land and has no reason to even come around.

Now the only defense that these people have is that the land was not posted properly. Land that is not posted properly does NOT give you the right to trespass. The only thing that means is that they will not be able to prosecute you. In order to prosecute you have to follow the law as far as posting.

It just bugs me that people act this way. Make a good name for hunters and do it the right way.

Ok....I am done ranting for now happy2.gif

[jigglestick]

take a pill man

[Mayfly]

take a pill man

No Pill needed man.


It is absolutely ridiculous that these people just go wherever they want.

[Randy Kaar]

i know the land fly is talking about. last year a big
buck was hit by a car and they took the head!
if someone goes on my land they better be ready
for some big problems. we pay taxes we work the
land and post and dead loads trespass, cause they
are to lazy to scout public land.  no fly is right here!
trespassers need to be arrested!

randy aka bh

[jigglestick]

I didn't say he wasn't right bonehead.
I just told him to take a pill.
life is to short to get your blood pressure all outa whack over something that is supposed to be relaxing and enjoyable.
fly doesn't even own the land he speaks of.
the problem is that of the rightful land owner. if the rightful land owner doesn't have a problem with it then to bad, so sad.
if he does, then it is up to him(land owner) to take the right steps.
my guess is he isn't, or won't. that is why fleefly is venting here.
relax man.

[Mayfly]

This problem is long over. The lands have been posted properly and the people that were there are no longer there. Problem solved.....

we were told that it was exclusive and noone else had permission.

And ....Yes they (landowners) had a problem with it.




The reason that I was venting is just the lack of respect. I just think it is horrible that people hunt that way. If these people would have gone through the proper channels they would still be hunting there today and I would be drooling along side wishing I could hunt the land. This isn't the big north woods, this is the north metro where the land that is huntable is dwindling but the bucks keep getting bigger

[Randy Kaar]

trespassing is gonna happen...  no matter what.
we got to get the tougher laws on the books
i think..

randy aka bh

[Mayfly]

I like to think we (hunters/outdoors people) are better than that but it just isn't the truth.

[Don Stenseth]

I have the same problem where I am Tim. Someone see's a decent Buck and they are willing to run the risk of getting caught to take him. I saw 2 guys get all of their equipment confiscated.

[deadeye]

Every single person that I encountered hunting on my land had the same stock answer "I'm hunting on (insert name here) land."  Sometimes they use a neighbors name and some times they name someone who owns land a mile away.  At least it's been quite a few years since some one tried to run me off my own land by telling me so and so owns this land and I have to get off.   
This is the main reason I don't let people hunt my land.  I don't want to get calls or visits from neighbors complaining about people I allowed to hunt my land.

[Mayfly]

It ruins it for us, the ones who take the time to learn the land and the boundaries and respect the fact that someone else is giving us permission to hunt on their land.


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[outdoorfamilyof6]

I was under the impression that if it was ag land, unless public, you HAD to get permission, posted or not? 

[The General]

If it's been farmed you have to get permission posted or not.  I'm having the same problem with some new hunting land I aquired this year.  It's 200 acres but the owners sold off the building site.  I havn't seen the new owner of the building site on the land I hunt but I see his ATV tracks driving on it and next to my bow stands.  The land wasn't posted before but now I have plenty of signs up.  I asked the owners of the land I hunt and they have never given anyone else permission to hunt.  Why can't he just stay off?

[thunderpout]

Man... there are just so many people out there that are just plain lazy hunters, you have the ones that are too lazy to ask permission to go on private land, you got the road hunting types that just cruise back roads coverin ground and ditch wacking, you got the atv hunters( Ive got one but I dont hunt on it, though I use it to get back in the boonies and to drag out deer ocationally, and you also get the hunters who see other folks stands and set up next to em or worse, wreck the stands or use em....instead of scouting around and doing their own work...It somtimes makes me wonder if its worth doing at all...but then the next fall comes around and I get pumped up again.  You guys are right on that its a smaller group of people that give hunters a bad rep and that is all it takes, just as in society, its those same people that dont respect other people and their property and screw things up for every one....thats why, as hunters, need to try to better our image, even if its just little things, like sending thank you cards to land owners that let you hunt, and being respectful to them if they dont,(maybe they will later) or picking up other guys shells or litter you see on your outings.  Just little crap like that will make a big difference if everyone does a little of it! happy2.gif       -thunderpout 8)

[repoman]

wow

[jkcmj]

I am sure I've pissed a few people off while coon hunting with my dogs.  I have to trespass on many occasions to retrieve the dogs from other people's property.  They don't respect fences!  I am pictured on many a trail cam in the dead of night, but what do you do? 

The law states that you can go onto property to retrieve the dogs, but not with a gun.  Where exactly do you place the gun where you can find it again?  I am sometimes very far afield with an antennae to find the dogs, and finding the gun again would be a challenge in many instances.  I usually just take it along which could get me fined or charged with trespass anyway.

I have had people come out of there houses and shoot into the air over our heads while retrieving dogs.  They hear the dogs and see the lights and get pissed off, even if we are not shooting the coon out.  Gets to be a touchy situation.  We used to be able to get permission from all of the land owners around, but now days we just can't.  With the QDM trend, many people don't want any disturbances on there land pushing bucks onto other property, so they don't allow the hound hunting.   

Sally with her 1st coon.
 

[Fiasco]

Shooting over your head is indefensible. Maybe, to prevent that kind of stupidity, you could go up to the house and let them know what you're doing before running around in the dark with your gun and a bunch of dogs (great looking dog by the way). At night, even that is a hairy situation but it's better than getting shot by some gomer on his porch.

I've taken up Bowhunting and Muzzleloader hunting just to get away from trespassers and all of the other, once a year, don't sight their guns, got wasted the night before, "I thought it was a deer" yahoos. One of the codgers I used to hunt with watched a friend die in the field with a slug in his gut because of an idiot. It's just tragic.

[HUNTER2]

I purchased some land in central Mn last year. Well the neighbors wounded a doe and then they proceeded to spread out and make a drive threw some of my land looking for it. I helped them look a little. We couldn't find it. I will have a talk with them and say 1 or 2 guys just following the blood trail next time. I don't know why they thought they could make a little drive out of it. Other than that, I had a guy shoot a coyote from the road when I was going out muzzle loading. That doesn't bother me because I don't want them there any way. I just didn't like the fact I was just going out to hunt and I'm sure he woke every thing up that was in the woods.  Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get! 

[deadeye]

Hunter2,
I had the same problem several years ago.  It seemed every year a group of 3-4 neighboring hunters would chase a "wounded" deer through my property.  After a few years of this I noticed a pattern.  Two or three guys would circle a piece of woods while the others would "search" the woods for the deer.     About four years ago I stopped them and ask to see the blood trail they were following.   Well, you guessed it, there was no blood trail to be found.  I told them they were welcome to track any wounded deer on my property but for safety (we have hunters in the area) they must find me first (I'm usually there during the season) and together we will attempt to find the deer.  Note: Since that time not once have they had to chase a wounded deer on my property.  Hmmmm. 

[HD]

Here's a pic of a sign of mine, that a deer didn't like!   

Dang Trespassers!


Guess I'll have to shoot'em!   

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[Dotch]

  Good 'un hunterdown. So that's who was wreckin' my trees last fall. Why I oughta...

As far as coon hunters go, I personally don't have a problem with those guys playing through. If one looks at the sheer number of raccoons tearing around out here and considers the number of upland game bird nests, waterfowl nests and other nests for that matter they destroy, they should be welcomed with open arms most places. Not that coon hunters shouldn't make an effort to ask permission (most around here are good about it) but after hauling a friends black and tan back to his house 5 miles outside of town multiple times a day, one certainly has to admire the inner workings of a coon hounds olfactory apparatus. 

[Super Star!]

I have a problem with coon hunters.. many of them think they have free roam as stated above "where I am suppose to put my gun" well simple back in your truck. Then go get your dog why do you need your gun if you’re not going to shoot the coon?? Or are you going to shoot the coon??? Coon hunter’s dogs get in my coon traps and what do they do?  they take my traps. And then they go cry to the DNR to ban trapping or put restrictions on it.    Here is a picture of a coon dog that came into my trail camera and into one of my traps. The guy left my trap and a note stating he would be contacting the local game warden to tell him I had an Illegal trap set? And I would be notified of how much the vet bill would be for his dog’s foot. Who dose this tool think he is?? Well he did call and the plan back fired in his face. Witch I was happy to see him get the book tossed in his face.  Felt bad for the dog that he has such a tool for a owner..

[Dotch]

That sucks you're having problems with coon hunters there super star. We've got more pressing issues with trappers and deer hunters trespassing here. Don't mind if they want to trap or hunt but please ask permission and be honest about it. Would be nice too if all trappers asked permission and put their ID#'s on the traps like they're supposed to. Along with that, they need to check those traps so we as landowners don't find long since dead animals in them and get blamed by the DNR for it. We've found this several times over the years on other people's farms when we're out soil sampling in the fall. Some of the decent  area trappers have been complaining about it too. Same goes for deer hunters. I don't have a problem if they've got something on the run, but don't just hunt on through my pasture full of livestock and expect me not to blow a gasket. Was great the group of guys this fall stopped and asked. When one of them who's a good friend informed the guy on the other end of the cell phone "I'm asking permission because I always ask him first" at least it made me feel good. The reason I said I don't mind if coon hunters play through is they're out there in the middle of the night and the livestock is all up in the yard. That and I get pretty pissy about all the duck nests that get destroyed every spring in the CREP acres by the varmints. Now with no open season on raccoons and opossums during waterfowl nesting season, I'm suddenly supposed to feel like the bad guy for wanting to take them out. There are tens of thousands of acres worth of sweet corn for them to devour from 3 different companies scattered across the countryside so this is raccoon heaven.

The coon hunters in much of farm country here run the small lakes, river bottoms, and fencelines with permission so it can be miles back to the truck. I can see issues in the north woods on private property or the big woods in SE MN but not so much in the 2/3 of the state that's ag land. We need both coon trappers and coon hunters out here. And removing a bunch of these overpopulated possums (without trespassing of course) while they're at it wouldn't hurt.

[Super Star!]

Dotch,, i agree there are some bad trappers out there.. as in anything.
as far as your coon and possum problem. i would glady come and trap them for you... if you need herd thining.... peace SS