is this baiting?????????

[glenn57]

want opinions thoughts. is t his baiting in your mind?????

planting pumpkins or squash near your deer stand, or, throwing squash or pumkins off the vine near or around a deer stand????????

i've heard of hunters doing that, not sure if its considered baiting. 

personally, i think it is!!!!!!

[Rebel SS]

Absolutely. DNR would take one look and say so...

IMPORTANT: HUNTING METHOD RESTRICTIONS—
HUNTING DEER WITH BAIT IS ILLEGAL
Hunters are not allowed to take deer with the aid or use of bait.
“Taking” includes attempting to take.
Definitions
• Bait—includes grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, hay, or other food
that is capable of attracting or enticing deer and has been placed by
a person.
• Baiting—means placing, exposing, depositing, distributing, or

scattering bait that is capable of attracting or enticing deer.

What is bait? Liquid scents (example: doe in heat), sprays, salt,
and minerals are not bait if they do not contain liquid or solid food
products.
Note: read the ingredient label on all products prior to use. Many
products, including newer liquid, powder and block forms, contain
food or attractants such as grains, fruits, and sugar derivatives (glucose,
dextrose, and fructose). If a salt or mineral product has anything other
than salt or mineral in it, it is illegal to use for hunting.
A person otherwise in compliance with this section who is hunting
on private or public property that is adjacent to the property where bait
or food is present is not in violation if the person has not participated
in, been involved with, or agreed to baiting or feeding wildlife on the
adjacent property.
Removal of bait—All bait must be co

[glenn57]

Pretty much what I thought! Maybe I should turn a few in!

[Rebel SS]

Page 57 of the DNR regs.......

Contact the TIP Hotline at 1-800-652-9093 or #TIP from a mobile device.

[Boar]

i think u can plant pumpkims an squash in the woods with intent to harvest, but yu cant place them ther

[Rebel SS]

Then they'll ask you WTH are you planting them in  the woods......


Unless of course, yer a smurf.   

[HD]

Fine line....if it grows there, it's ok.
If you PLACE it there....it's illegal.

Cut and dry....clear as mud.

[Rebel SS]

What if you grow a WOODS around a pumpkin patch?      

[Rebel SS]

Might have to look in different spots this year....

http://www.postbulletin.com/news/state/oak-trees-acorn-production-down-across-minnesota-this-year/article_bfcc8ef6-9577-57ea-84e4-078eb8e4e91e.html

[HD]

As long as the woods and pumpkin patch grow "naturally"....yur golden....

[Boar]

ok so a small patch of corn is ok or sunflowers or alphapha clover?

[Boar]

for the the sake of disscussion, what is everyones intent who planted a food ot this year of stuff that dosent grow naturally

[Boar]

never mind, i read stuff wrong. im bounching around in a terrogator, not the best conditions to read in.

[Boar]

planting them will grow naturally and acing is baiting fine line like hd said but  ot are with intent to attract in my mind, but that the dnr for ya.

[HD]

Yup boar....planting, ok....placing, bad
 

Same with blocks with grain or fruit in them....did they grow there? Nope...illegal

[ray634]

You can plant anything you want for a food plot and let it stay all season. If you haul food stuff to the plot you are in violation. Your mineral site/feed station may not be the grain/fruit type block unless all of it is removed 10 days prior to start of hunting.
I plant annuals and perennials for food plots including pumpkins, rutabagas and soybeans that I leave all winter. I keep mineral sites going all year with Trophy Rocks and trace mineral blocks for cattle. The local CO says it is all good.

[LPS]

Ya I have a food plot too.  I say why not just allow baiting?  No brainer to me.  Food is food.

[Boar]

Its the bring in of food that they causes promlems, like CWD cause the deer are concetrated in such a small area on the pile the exchanging of fluids and desieses(whatever) are more rapid. insted of spread out in a feild type plot, no matter how small. and food plots benefit all wild life. Plots or piles will attract deer, its the school room effect from a pile where viruses spread more rapidly. my understanding...

[Dakota Dude]

If you couldn't have food plots you would be screwed. I just found some food plots in the middle of some public woods, that is pretty cool but I cant imagine gun season at that spot lol.

[Boar]

alot of wma's  put food plots.on pub. lan. when i worked at thief lake wma east of middle river mn. we put in plots as a managment tool. and that was 25 years ago.

[LPS]

Bump  good subject.

[floodwoodmike]

A very incompetent dnr policy. There is zero difference between planting a pumpkin patch that produces twenty pumpkins spaced two feet apart, and carrying in twenty and spacing them two feet apart. So that rules out the cwd argument  so maybe it is an ethics issue does it seem to be more of a fair chase because you put a seed in the ground. No, no difference. Maybe it's to be consistent amongst all hunting platforms. Well, you hunt bear with us candy bars, so that is not it either. I can understand on public land, to avoid hunter confrontations. Maybe you have lower land that just doesn't grow crops. So your neighbor with the better land also gets to attract the better deer with food plots. Does that sound fair? I don't plant or bait, and seem to get a deer every year, with hard work and long days. So Read the regs and follow the law, but do not believe their nonsense.

[Boar]

never said i believe it, just stated that thats my understanding from them on how they justify ur pumpkin issue. i read the regs andnfollow.the law yu do the same.

[The General]

I agree with floodwoodmike and welcome to the site.  I think they should just charge say $10 to add baiting to your tag.  It's obvious with the ignorant multiple different licenses to hunt deer they try to make a guy buy that it's all about the money anyway. 

[LPS]

Yes It may have started as a moral or fair chase issue but has evolved into purely a financial issue.  Maybe this should be in a new topic but I believe that using 2 fishing lines is the same thing.  The states around us use 2 lines and have no issues with it at all...  I lived in Stillwater and trolled with 2 crankbaits and liked it. It also has turned into a cash register issue for the CO's.

[Jerkbiat]

The DNR uses the whole disease thing as their excuse in my eyes. Look at how many states and provinces in Canada allow baiting. Yes, when there is a disease it may spread faster because they are eating from the same pile of food. But Mike makes a good point about growing the pumpkins or placing them. Gee look at what the DNR did when they were trying to annihilate the deer herd when the TB hit around Skime. The used bait and spot lights to kill the deer. And then the deer wised up to them and they couldn't get them. The next year they were shooting them out of helicopters. Sorry whole different subject there.

[Boar]

oh i agree with placement and anting. plots bennefit all wild life,.thats the main goal behindnthem, at least in thebeging.  sucky thing is, people think they need them cause  neighbor have one , so thiey plant one, the next then the next then the next, now it seems the little guys is void of deer in his area cause their all.concentrated in and around the plots, makes it tough for the little guy no doubt. i dont need em, renter roates beans to wheat every year.smae on the north side. i sit in the middle and shoot deer

[Rebel SS]

Yes It may have started as a moral or fair chase issue but has evolved into purely a financial issue.  Maybe this should be in a new topic but I believe that using 2 fishing lines is the same thing.  The states around us use 2 lines and have no issues with it at all...  I lived in Stillwater and trolled with 2 crankbaits and liked it. It also has turned into a cash register issue for the CO's.

Minnesota is getting so many screwed up laws, at times I'm almost glad I sold my  boat this year. IS sniffing dogs?! Ya  gotta be kidding me!!! 
Back to topic.

[glenn57]

i dont need to bait or cheat!!!!!!!!!!! my natural skills do me just fine!!!!!!!!!!! :fishing2: :fisherman:

[Boar]

choked on my spit right ther.