2016 GMC 2500

[LPS]

I just saw a 2016 GMC 2500 SLE for sale around here.  Has a 6.0 in it.  I really like our 2016 Ram 1500 but that GMC would be nice for pulling the camper.  It has 80,000 miles on it.  I have never had a 6.0.  Anyone have any experience with them? 

[Bobberineyes]

Nice motors, my last truck was 6.0 2002 2500 gmc the engine compartment was wide open for wrenching,  although I never needed to wrench on it. It also had .410 gearing which kept the fuel mileage down some.  Any rust on it lps?

[LPS]

From the pics it doesn't look like any rust but I will know tomorrow.  I will swing in and look at it.  It won't get as good as mileage as my Ram with the 5.7 Hemi but will tow more.  My Ram has 50K the GMC has 80K.  Some upside and some downside.  The price has to be right or maybe I will be better with what I have.  It sure is a good looking rig.

[Jerkbiat]

My 99 had the 6.0 with the 4/10 rear end in it. Good pulling truck. Mileage never really changed much, pulling or not.

[snow1]

Great powertrain LP...Well proven,cast iron block,great torq,i90 HD tranny,standard gear ration's on 2019 HD was 3.73,upgrade option to 4:10's...so if you don't get the original window sticker to view options,look in the glove box there you'll find a list in 3 digit codes in alphabetical order pasted in the box...4:10 gears code on GM trucks is GT5...Also make sure it has a "locking differential" "code is "G80"  heavy duty trailer package code is "Z82",not all 2500HD trucks had these options including camper mirrors's so be mindfull.

Also if this truck is available from a dealer have them show you carfax,private party pull carfax yourself to view the trucks mechanical history and get accident report and to make sure it has a clean title.

Further with lack of new vehicles both new and used the demand is high,so is the new/used vehicle pricing,dealers are scrambling to get product and paying premium prices for used inventory.

Just a few thoughts

[LPS]

I appreciate your thoughts Snow.   

[LPS]

I jotted those codes down and will bring them along.  What is you estimate for mileage.  I saw somewhere 11 city 16 hwy

[snow1]

I jotted those codes down and will bring them along.  What is you estimate for mileage.  I saw somewhere 11 city 16 hwy

LP,all trucks over 8600 GVW via epa are not rated for milage because these trucks are deemd'd "stump puller's" however over the years working for GM most feedback regarding mpg's regardless of rear end gear ratio's is 12-14mpg's empty.However GM added 2 more hiway gears to the L85 original HD tranny,so running empty and keep your foot out of it with a tailwind you might gain a couple "mpg's" with this i90 8 speed tranny,also keep in mind these trucks have "tow haul" modes...which is great to have for stop n go type traffic with a payload and or trailer weight,you can also engauge tow haul for exiting off a hiway by tapping your breaks to down shift your transmission gears with a payload or trailer weight to save brake pads. This truck you are looking at also has a "manuel" option to lock in lower gears or lock out hiway gears when truck is under stress with weight,you'll see a + and - on your automatic transmission lever on the column,just put your tansmission in the "M" mode for manuel rather than "D" for drive to activate and run thru the gears pressing the + symbol.

In your case LP, the biggest "must have" is the factory Z82 HD trailer package which includes a auxiliary external tranny cooler and engine oil cooler,is your trailer a 5th wheel or pin mount hitch with stablizer?The factory dead weight rec'ver hitch is only a class 3 if this is what you use for your trailer,you can up grade hitch if needed to meet trailer wet tow weight.

[Jerkbiat]

Granted my 99 was a long time ago. But the best I ever got was 14 running empty. Most times it was 11-12 mpg and 10 if I was pulling really heavy. Take it for what it is worth being it was 20 years ago. Gearing in the rear end has a big effect on mpg.

[LPS]

It does have all three of those codes Snow.  So has 4:10 gears, has the HD tow package, and has the locking differentials.  It also has the 6 speed tranny.  It has a BW hitch so you pull a lever and can drop in a flat plate or a ball for pulling a goose neck or drop in a 5th wheel plate.  How cool is that?   Is in real good shape and can't find any rust.  The dealer knows who owned it the last few years and he is the second owner.  Had a nice ride to it. 

[LPS]

I am concerned about the mileage though.   Or what the heck. 

[mike89]

aw go for it!!! 

[snow1]

Sounds like a nice truck LP,did the dealer tell ya what the previous owner pulled with it,did he plow snow?

If ya want shoot me the VIN # I'll pull the invoice with all the equipment if ya want.

Did you mention "carfax" to the dealer?good to know if it has a clean title and no accidents.

[Jerkbiat]

I am concerned about the mileage though.   Or what the heck.

The main reason you are buying it is to pull your camper. The mileage will probably be the same or a touch better than your current truck pulling the camper. It is amazing how much different(better) pulling a camper with a 3/4 ton verses a 1/2 is, night and day. It not like you would need it as a daily driver to run to work every day. 

[LPS]

I pulled the Carfax and they had the fuel system flushed and the tranny oil changed too awhile back.  Now I am having second thoughts.  We like our Ram and may wait a year or two till the wife is closer to her retirement to see how much we plan on traveling.  It is a nice truck though.  90% of my driving is not pulling a camper.  You have given me some great info Snow and I truly appreciate it.  I will keep you informed with my decision.  AND it is a tough decision.

[snow1]

I pulled the Carfax and they had the fuel system flushed and the tranny oil changed too awhile back.  Now I am having second thoughts.  We like our Ram and may wait a year or two till the wife is closer to her retirement to see how much we plan on traveling.  It is a nice truck though.  90% of my driving is not pulling a camper.  You have given me some great info Snow and I truly appreciate it.  I will keep you informed with my decision.  AND it is a tough decision.

Not a bad plan LP, with limited dealer inventory and crazy high retail pricing we have today both new and used,now break the bank gas prices....

GM tells me it'll be a rough ride until 2023,maybe 2024...for inventory and pricing.You'll have more truck option's down the road LP.

Besides in 2020 GM tweaked the 6lit engine,more torq and Hp,direct fuel injection 6.6lit gas engine or the duramax 6.6 diesel with the allison 1000 diesel transmission is still a savy tow vehicle option.

Keep in mind in 2019 GM  redesigned the HD chassis's both 2500/3500 box'd in the c-channel frame for more payload rigidity...also front (GFPL) is 5600lbs for both the 2500 and 3500 so heavy wet trailer loads won't sway the front-end at hiway/freeway speeds,the difference between the 2500/3500HD's is rear suspension,the 3500 has an extra 3rd leaf spring (over load spring) and a solid rear axel rather than a semi-floating rear axel on the 2500.,none the less the newer 2500HD's have a greater GVWR than the older ones,over 10,000 lbs.(2019 and up models)

[Jerkbiat]

I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.

[snow1]

I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.

nice rig JB,any issues with winter fuels up your way?  I've been on the fence about GM's newer 3lit duramax for my farm truck,leary about extra maintenance and fuel out in the boonies of south dakota,but diesel fuel dumps in farm towns are usually spot on,otherwise the locals would get testy if they're rigs gelled mid winter.You got lucky to find that jewel in 2020 before inventory dried up.

this new generation chevrolet 1500 with this upgraded 3lit duramax has trailering specks of 13k lbs but why would ya? tail wagging the dog comes to mind,pretty sure it's more about bragging rights.

[LPS]

This has been a great discussion! 

[Bobberineyes]

Boy I don't know lps, it's gotta be a pretty sweet deal to lose 30,000 mile's for a handful of times pulling the camper. Right know with the winter fuel I ain't gettin chit fir mileage with the 6.4 and that's with 3.73 rear end. I guess take the good with the bad but I would be pushing for a trade with them owing you yet..

[Jerkbiat]

I love my 2020 Chevy Duramax 2500! Pulls the camper like there is nothing behind me.

nice rig JB,any issues with winter fuels up your way?  I've been on the fence about GM's newer 3lit duramax for my farm truck,leary about extra maintenance and fuel out in the boonies of south dakota,but diesel fuel dumps in farm towns are usually spot on,otherwise the locals would get testy if they're rigs gelled mid winter.You got lucky to find that jewel in 2020 before inventory dried up.

this new generation chevrolet 1500 with this upgraded 3lit duramax has trailering specks of 13k lbs but why would ya? tail wagging the dog comes to mind,pretty sure it's more about bragging rights.

I have not had to much issue with fuel up here. The Cenex's(Warroad, Roseau and Baudette)all run the winter blend rated for -40 in the winter.
That being said my pickup has hardly come out of the garage that last 2 winters. I bought it the week before new years in Dec. 2019. The dealer had been looking for 2019s for me and this one came in with everything I was looking for and the price was right so I got the 2020. Liking the 10 speed tranny too. I had a 2005 duramax that I bought new and didn't have much fuel trouble up here either as long as I got winter blend. Which a couple times with that one I did get some bad fuel.  First truck I have ever owned that appreciated in value. Worth 10k more than I paid for it right now. Helps I only have 9200 miles on it too.

[LPS]

Your truck is absolutely awesome JB.  Right down to the color of it.  I am in love with your truck!!!  I called the dealer in Kelliher and told him that I am going to wait a year or two before I move up to a 3/4 ton.  Hated to disappoint him but that's the way it is.  Was close but it's doesn't have the interior options that we have now plus the extra miles.  I told the wife that when we upgrade vehicles we have to be real excited with it and it has to be a big improvement from what we have or else it is not the right deal for us. She was in favor of the deal but she too changed her mind this morning too.  Glad we are in agreement on it. 

[Bobberineyes]

While we're at it let's keep gabbing.  We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around.  We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.

[LPS]

Yes I like this truck talk.  I would actually now after all of this research like a 2019 3/4 ton with a 6.6 liter probably gas even though it is cool as heck to have a diesel. Ya l do like the diesel thing.  LOL  Well it will be a couple of years before it happens so hopefully I can get a good used one for a decent price.  My Ram will still be in great shape and probably have 70K miles on it so hopefully a lot of $$$..     

[snow1]

While we're at it let's keep gabbing.  We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around.  We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.

Bobber,1 ton trucks are deemed commercial GVW rating over 8600 lbs,commercial tags are pro rated in minnesota from febuary to febuary,today our commercial tags took a road tax bump thanx to walz of $20,so new  1 ton license fee's are $180/year.

FYI.

[Jerkbiat]

While we're at it let's keep gabbing.  We all love our pickups but man the tabs are friggin crazy, that being said I'm leaning towards a 1 ton diesel next time around.  We got a new Ram 5500 with a Cummings at work and man it has some snap to it, and quiet. It won't be for a few years but sure wouldn't mind licensing being lower.

Bobber,1 ton trucks are deemed commercial GVW rating over 8600 lbs,commercial tags are pro rated in minnesota from febuary to febuary,today our commercial tags took a road tax bump thanx to walz of $20,so new  1 ton license fee's are $180/year.

FYI.

That is good to know Snow because I was really looking for a 1 ton when we were shopping for a truck because of the tabs. Last year my tabs for a 2500 were $542, this year they are $480 or something like that. I have not bought them yet because I don't want to part with the money yet. I thought tabs for a 1 ton were $130 though before the $20 increase you are talking about. 

[snow1]

JB for years tabs for trucks over 8600 GVW were $120 for fiscal year,then all the baggage walz attached,so last check for commercial tabs was $180 feb to feb.

Down side if one displays a company logo or any type of advertising you might fall pray to a green trooper saving our world pulling you over looking for a "DOT" tag number,onboard fire extinguisher....Also one needs to be mindful driving within certain city limits with 1 ton trucks,vans included.

some cities have road restrictions for vehicles with a GVW of 8600lbs passing thru city limits,one locally here in st paul I94 intersecting with I35E  comes to mind,big arse sign "No vehicles over 8600GVW" this is primarly to re-route semi's to 35W further down West bound I94,seems local resodent's bitch about semi's jake breaking thru this 35E cooridor neighborhood

[Jerkbiat]

Yes I like this truck talk.  I would actually now after all of this research like a 2019 3/4 ton with a 6.6 liter probably gas even though it is cool as heck to have a diesel. Ya l do like the diesel thing.  LOL  Well it will be a couple of years before it happens so hopefully I can get a good used one for a decent price.  My Ram will still be in great shape and probably have 70K miles on it so hopefully a lot of $$$..   

To bad we bought a boat last year. My original plan was to keep this one for 5-6 years then get a new one. Would have been about the right time for ya. You could have bought mine. But now with the boat purchase I may be keeping it a few more years longer.

[LPS]

That would have been great JB! 

[dutchboy]

Nobody here needs a 1 ton if all you are doing is pulling recreational trailers. My 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins will pull anything I hook behind it. I added air bags and it basically is now the same as a 1 ton.

Snow, the deal with 35E was a concession they had to make with the neighborhood back when they wanted to build that freeway. It's kind of dumb but I see it from the residents standpoint.